The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:27 pm Is there a pattern for when roles are appearing on the front page?

It's not even aligned with the lynches. Charge man has had his role revealed on lynch, but not in the OP. (could be a host overlook)

What if roles appear once they've been fully used?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:16 pm And why use Gemini Man unnecessarily?

When else would Gemini man be used? When? What other time is worth it?

I'm 50/50 on whether that was a slip or not. I didn't even remember what cut man did. We'd have to see if Marmot thought he would be facing a lynch before end of night 3, because it's a night ability. He did seem pretty unconcerned about it during the day if I remember right.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:01 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:00 pm I'm not going to be here at EOD. Just so you know.

Kylemii is the only townread I have that I cannot substantiate.
You hopping on the KNess Express before you go?

I've got like 5 hours before I go mate. So maybe.

I'm not going to be here at EOD. Just so you know.

Kylemii is the only townread I have that I cannot substantiate.

I can't vote for K-ness right now. I'm not all about that tie meta.

I would also be okay with voting K-ness today, FYI.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:36 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:42 pm
Night 3 has Ended.

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nutella has been killed.

It is now Day 3. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

Nobody listens to me.
Also this is too much for WIFOM IMO. Jack called to this. It has been ignored.

Would be hilarious if Mafia had a busdriver or a piercing kill tho

Day 4 starts.

These happen:

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:44 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Marmotmarmotmarmot

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:36 am Marmot's still sketchier tho, on account of his offwagon sprityo vote that quickly turned into an on-wagon Luna vote.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:54 am Things are pretty slow rn so I’m really hoping we get some discussion going

Since it’s trending, does anyone oppose marmot lynch rn and why?

Nt much else discussion of Marmot other than these. People flopping on Sloonei, Sprit, and Bullzeye. Then...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:58 am [VOTE: I am voting for Marmot cause he’s probably bad. Like worst excuse to turn away from Luna (and Sloonei?) by somehow painting Sloonei and Sprityo as teammates. Then switched to bus Luna iirc. Pretty dang sketch.] aubergine

This happens. It is the main suspicion on Marmot, put into better terms. This is the point that got DH on the Marmot train, though he needed the 'bus Luna' bit clarified by the timing of Marmot's vote.

The day proceeds from there, and admittedly Jack talks about a lot of other stuff. He's instrumental in pushing Marmot through harder the following day.

Dizzy, Jack, and TH were probably most instrumental in pushing Marmot to the forefront on day 4, overall.

Not as strong a look as I was hoping for, but definitely a bus when one wasn't needed. Aside from those three players, most people had a null read on Marmot going into day 4. I know I did. Sprit, Sloon, Bullz, (all town) were options to push through easily. But the lynch settled on Marmot and Simon.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:42 pm
Night 3 has Ended.

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nutella has been killed.

It is now Day 3. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

Nobody listens to me.

Also this is too much for WIFOM IMO. Jack called to this. It has been ignored.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:16 am OK but how alibis work is you set them up before you need them.

And also, Not entirely out of the question that he didn't pick or execute the kills himself? IDK man, thats a lot of trust to put into meta. Trust that a smart player would exploit at some point.

I happen to think of this as more of an ethical thing. It's not just a quirk or mindset decision. If JoH is against killing high posters early, there's some care that goes into that. Character, integrity. I don't think of it as just an alibi.

I did, however, mention the second as a possibility. I'm like that. I personally wouldn't kill high posters early. But I've been on scumteams that have made decision like that. I don't get in chatzy much, and I like to just stay out of things.
It's a possibility. In which case it would be extremely nasty of Jack to use the meta argument, but nevertheless.

I'll look at the Marmot lynch after I get something to eat.

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] [mention]Turnip Head[/mention]

Please expound on your K-ness votes if you really want him lynched.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:11 am speedchuck When you say Jack was one of the main drivers behind a marmot lynch do you mean the one that Cut Man saved Marmot from?

It was Gemini man, wasn't it? Cut man can only self-target. (Unless I misread the OP)

Jack's push on Marmot is a good thing to look at, though. I'll refresh myself on it.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:06 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:02 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:57 am As to his "meta", I assume you mean his very sincere "Hey wink wink guys wink if me and Knees were bad wink wink wink wink we would not kill active players wink wink wink." Which I guess is fine. That's perfectly fine and cool if you believe that he would do that every single game he ever plays. And that he wouldn't.....change....his MO....to cover his ass in meta.... if he ever took heat....
You can ignore calls to meta if you want. But I like using them because past experience says they can (in certain circumstances) be trusted.

JJJ was killed on night one. NIGHT ONE. There was no ass-covering going on there, Jack had no suspicion on him. Whoever controlled that kill decided to take down one of the bigger voices in the thread. Jack isn't the type to do that. Is he the type to let everyone else control the nightkill? I could see Luna or Marmot taking JJJ down.
What about bussing? Jack was one of the main drivers of the Marmot lynch.
When you say "he doesn't do that" is what you mean "He hasn't done that yet"?

Do you look at people you know and think, "Well they haven't murdered anyone yet. But every one of them is totally capable."

Totally outlandish comparison, yes. But if JackofHearts doesn't just spam-kill high posters in games with lurkers and no-shows, it's not because of a manufactured meta that he uses to win games. The reason to leave people like JJJ and Macdougall alive is because it's a better game with them than with a single-post Soneji and an absent DF.
I daresay it's an ethical conviction, to care about the quality of a game as much as the win. Ethics are not so easily changed, and if they WERE changed in order to ass-cover, it wouldn't be on nights one and two, when there was no suspicion to cover from.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:57 am As to his "meta", I assume you mean his very sincere "Hey wink wink guys wink if me and Knees were bad wink wink wink wink we would not kill active players wink wink wink." Which I guess is fine. That's perfectly fine and cool if you believe that he would do that every single game he ever plays. And that he wouldn't.....change....his MO....to cover his ass in meta.... if he ever took heat....

You can ignore calls to meta if you want. But I like using them because past experience says they can (in certain circumstances) be trusted.

JJJ was killed on night one. NIGHT ONE. There was no ass-covering going on there, Jack had no suspicion on him. Whoever controlled that kill decided to take down one of the bigger voices in the thread. Jack isn't the type to do that. Is he the type to let everyone else control the nightkill?

I could see Luna or Marmot taking JJJ down.
What about bussing? Jack was one of the main drivers of the Marmot lynch.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:33 pm I could buy that Marmot and Luna controlled the kill N1. Most of the rest were inactives. DH came in to save ruin the day as another mafia bro.

Add in Wil(g)y and DF, call it a day.

That's a proposed scumteam I would buy.
But I like DH.

And if you think there was no lead up to my vote, perhaps you could look at my ISO.

Nightkill analysis.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:47 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:10 pm Also note "I don't see the light of a townie in you at all" = Very direct, no room for wiggles.

"I *CAN EASILY* see the darkness of a *POTENTIAL* goon" = "Please don't be mad at me and my mafia teammate Knees if we lynch DH and he flips civ lololol we didn't mean it"
TFW nobody wants to talk about the most damning piece of evidence against Jack that proves he's hedging for when I flip civ :/

Yeah, I read that earlier. But what about all the towny things Jack has done? What about the Marmot lynch? What about his meta?
One hedging statement and that all falls apart?

Is my vote bad because I'm distancing from scum, or because I'm pushing things into a mislynch?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:41 am Jack is voting for me because I suspect Knees
Knees is voting for me because Jack is
Nova is voting for me because Jack is
Speed is voting for me to prove he's not on a team

OK NVM Earlier when I said it was hard for me to understand how you guys could be so good at mislynches, I get it now.

No, I'm voting for you because Jack is.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:38 am OK. Move your vote off me please.

Where to?

That's a pretty funny linki.

[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

I don't have a team, Jack. Just putting up reference material.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:30 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:25 am Conclusion: All three of the current wagons are compatible with scum to some degree.

Jack's interactions with Marmot, if they are a 'throw under the bus' kind of thing, have him going at Marmot surprisingly hard. Marmot strikes back too. Probably the hardest interactions to reconcile with a scum Jack.

Luna interacts with alien, trying to facilitate some reads from him, then does what could be distancing later.

K-ness is one of those asking 'why' Luna is suspected. She responds to downplay it.

I didn't check DH's interactions with Marmot. I'm pretty sure those interactions are seared into everyone's head by now.
Where’s the part where I’m compatible with scum? Is it the part you say is hard to reconcile with me being scum?

Wafflewaffle.

TECHNICALLY compatible TO SOME DEGREE and likely are two different things.

Conclusion: All three of the current wagons are compatible with scum to some degree.

Jack's interactions with Marmot, if they are a 'throw under the bus' kind of thing, have him going at Marmot surprisingly hard. Marmot strikes back too. Probably the hardest interactions to reconcile with a scum Jack.

Luna interacts with alien, trying to facilitate some reads from him, then does what could be distancing later.

K-ness is one of those asking 'why' Luna is suspected. She responds to downplay it.

I didn't check DH's interactions with Marmot. I'm pretty sure those interactions are seared into everyone's head by now.

Marmot's mentions of K-Ness:

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Luna talkin' about Knees

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:02 am
K-Ness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:39 pmHello everyone.
Welcome K-Ness! Tell me about yourself. What brings you to this epic mega man game?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:55 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:39 am
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Let’s just sort some shit.

Bullzeye - Bad vibes but he appears to be trying the correct townie amount to make things happen if that makes sense. I suspect this is a stylistic clash but it’s hard to tell having not played with him before. Slight townlean. Merits ISO.

ColinIsCool - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance killed by the mafia. Suspected Sloonei in a way that gained him some flack so possible vig hit as well. (Dare I consider a sker on the Syndicate?) Slight scumlean but probably consensus town.

DFaraday - Null. Come on, DF.

Dom - Null. Come on, Dom.

DrWilgy - Null. Come on, Doc.

Infected_alien8_ - Bad vibes. Kinda ignored them cause he’s new to me. Scumlean. Merits ISO.

JaggedJimmyJay - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance of being the mafia hit. Acting different from normal so there’s a chance he was a vig hit. Few players flat out said Jay was bad, though. Townread.

K-Ness - Need more. Slight townlean.

Kylemii - Null. Come on, Kyle.

Long Con - Feels right. I sense town effort, not scum agenda. Townread.

Lunalee - Her willingness to defend her hubby who is statistically unlikely to be her scum partner feels town motivated but I still need more from her. Townlean.

MacDougall - Initially felt very town for mindmeld and aggression but I’m wavering a bit. Townlean.

Marmot - Null. Come on, Marmot.

novaselinenever - Townlean. Votes poured in on him too quickly and his reaction seemed genuine.

nutella - Townlean. Very loose. A bit swingy but that’s Nutella sometimes.

Quin - Townread. It’s a secret why.

Simon - Null. Come on, Simon. Likely not w/w with Sloonei.

Sloonei - I’ve gone back and forth. Overall, there’s not much in the way of red flags but I consider myself pretty bad at reading Sloonei. I think I may have identified a scumSloonei tendency but I’m keeping it in my back pocket. Slight townlean.

speedchuck - Null. Hasn’t really said much besides naysaying some shit. Come on, Speed.

Soneji - Null. Come on, Soneji.

sprityo - Townlean. It’s a secret from everyone.

Turnip Head - Scumlean. I don’t see the town/neutral TH I’m used to seeing. For someone so excited about this game, he hasn’t been very present.

White - Null. Has this slot posted?

So I’d probably shoot an inactive if it were up to me.

Nice analysis Jack. I would bet there's at least one mafia among the low/lazy-posters. We should look into DFaraday, Dom, Dr. Wilgy, Alien, K-Ness, Kylemii, Marmot, Simon, Speedchuck, Soneji, and sprityo.

(ignoring White for now. they aren't even playing)

That is sort of a long list, but I think it's a good place to start. I'll add my own analyses later.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:24 pm
K-Ness wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:14 pm I'm leaning on sloonei and Jack today. What's the reasoning behind the votes on Luna?
I've finally posted enough to start looking scummy. It happens every game.

Marmot's mentions of Jack

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Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:46 am Hi, @Marmot

Ready to play yet?
Yes, would do you require of me?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:45 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:00 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:54 pm Because he tried to lynch Sloonei. Yes this is old news, but it's the limit of my recollection.

Honestly, I logged in the other day and freaked out because I was about to be lynched. But I probably shouldn't have posted when I did, hence why you guys didn't hear more from me. I didn't expect to survive the lynch either, that was a surprise to me.

Anyway, just checking in right now to say hi. But I'll be back to post more later on today, and I've got a bone to pick with you voters.
Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to present to you “freaked out” Marmot.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:48 pmWait what?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:48 pm Sorry been busy with house projects the past couple days...

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:50 pm Well that's cool. Enjoy lynching me.
(Silently votes Simon)
There were reasons for that that I won't go into deeply.

But yeah I freaked out, I saw a bunch of votes on me, voted Simon because there was only a minute left in the day, but stopped posting because I realized it was the right thing to do.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:47 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:18 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:10 pm Thought exercise: If Marmot is bad, is there any chance the Simon voters contain one or more teammates of his, and if so, who the hell?
Could be Speed. Could be LC. Could be bad luck.
No, you're my teammate.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:51 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:50 pm I think it’s wifom that points to Marmot being bad, which is convenient cause I’m not moving my vote.

I'm not Gemeni Man and whoever is can go to hell for wrecking this chaos.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:05 am Conclusion:

I am town

Jack and sprityo are both scum.

Carry on. [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

Luna's mentions of JoH (I searched for Jack, sooo if she used JoH, I missed it.)

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:24 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:26 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:11 pm Good: Luna, Mac, Jack, Nutella, Speedchuck

Bad: Quin, Sloonei, Long Con, JJJ
mmm wrong about LC but otherwise k
Why do you say so, nutella? (or maybe I should just catch up before posting)

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:20 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:10 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:03 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:10 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:53 pm
Simon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:38 am Jack, why did you vote coliniscool?
He appeared to be my most lynchable suspect at the time but I didn’t realize people were about to move/had just moved to Eloh. The perils of doing the dishes during EOD.
I'm in a similar boat. EOD was right around the time dinner was ready, and I didn't make it in time. I was surprised to see Eloh back on top, because last time I had glanced in, it seemed like most were accepting that Eloh was genuine, and moving on to Colin or nova.
What was the case on Colin? I didn't know he was a counter-wagon
Colin essentially said Sloonei’s play here reminded him of his play in Greece, specifically the way Sloonei treated him when they were mafia partners.

This was not well received as comparisons to his Sloonei treated a mafia partner would necessitate Colin also being mafia in this game. Ergo, Colin’s case on Sloonei is fake. Ergo Colin is scum.
I saw that, but his point was that Sloonei was placing a vote and making up a reason for it. Would scum Colin be that stupid?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:23 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:35 pm Jack knew Jay was gonna die, fight me
You can state your opinions without getting into fights. But what makes you think Jack knew?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:55 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:39 am
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Let’s just sort some shit.

Bullzeye - Bad vibes but he appears to be trying the correct townie amount to make things happen if that makes sense. I suspect this is a stylistic clash but it’s hard to tell having not played with him before. Slight townlean. Merits ISO.

ColinIsCool - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance killed by the mafia. Suspected Sloonei in a way that gained him some flack so possible vig hit as well. (Dare I consider a sker on the Syndicate?) Slight scumlean but probably consensus town.

DFaraday - Null. Come on, DF.

Dom - Null. Come on, Dom.

DrWilgy - Null. Come on, Doc.

Infected_alien8_ - Bad vibes. Kinda ignored them cause he’s new to me. Scumlean. Merits ISO.

JaggedJimmyJay - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance of being the mafia hit. Acting different from normal so there’s a chance he was a vig hit. Few players flat out said Jay was bad, though. Townread.

K-Ness - Need more. Slight townlean.

Kylemii - Null. Come on, Kyle.

Long Con - Feels right. I sense town effort, not scum agenda. Townread.

Lunalee - Her willingness to defend her hubby who is statistically unlikely to be her scum partner feels town motivated but I still need more from her. Townlean.

MacDougall - Initially felt very town for mindmeld and aggression but I’m wavering a bit. Townlean.

Marmot - Null. Come on, Marmot.

novaselinenever - Townlean. Votes poured in on him too quickly and his reaction seemed genuine.

nutella - Townlean. Very loose. A bit swingy but that’s Nutella sometimes.

Quin - Townread. It’s a secret why.

Simon - Null. Come on, Simon. Likely not w/w with Sloonei.

Sloonei - I’ve gone back and forth. Overall, there’s not much in the way of red flags but I consider myself pretty bad at reading Sloonei. I think I may have identified a scumSloonei tendency but I’m keeping it in my back pocket. Slight townlean.

speedchuck - Null. Hasn’t really said much besides naysaying some shit. Come on, Speed.

Soneji - Null. Come on, Soneji.

sprityo - Townlean. It’s a secret from everyone.

Turnip Head - Scumlean. I don’t see the town/neutral TH I’m used to seeing. For someone so excited about this game, he hasn’t been very present.

White - Null. Has this slot posted?

So I’d probably shoot an inactive if it were up to me.

Nice analysis Jack. I would bet there's at least one mafia among the low/lazy-posters. We should look into DFaraday, Dom, Dr. Wilgy, Alien, K-Ness, Kylemii, Marmot, Simon, Speedchuck, Soneji, and sprityo.

(ignoring White for now. they aren't even playing)

That is sort of a long list, but I think it's a good place to start. I'll add my own analyses later.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:17 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:49 pm
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Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.

This post ignores any possible subtlety and other motivations for question-asking, and leaps straight to "false ignorance or genuine ignorance, either way I'll vote for him". The goal is more to create a weird, confusing target than anything else. Not a good look.
I should have known you'd come after me for this
It was what I felt at the time, and apparently nobody else really cared, so I thought I'd share my thoughts.
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:49 pm
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Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:28 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:21 pm Also, lynching speedchuck on day one is just straight up lazy. Come on people, we can do better than that.
I agree that things ought to be shaken up. Let's see where your Long Con thing takes us.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
I thought you promised to vote for me today.
Sloonei/Luna w/w just struck me here. Friendly non-distancing distancing.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:55 pm
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Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:30 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.
I'm voting for Long Con in hopes that we can generate discussion about this post. This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up. It's possible he was just getting a feel for things and now he understands what was happening. Or something else. Let's talk about it.

This is sketchy, and a stretch, on the reread. It's a sktretch.

It's more wishy-washy and noncommittal than water. Are you trying to be Switzerland here? Are you trying to catch baddies or be Involved In A Discussion? You cast a vote, which I can only assume is supposed to look like pressure, and then you proceed to post with as little pressure as possible on me.

And, I just have to focus on this sexy piece of blather: "This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up." Disappointed us when it wasn't a revelation-filled-look-at-past-games kind of pattern, but just you saying you see some pattern in the four posts Luna quoted. I can look at the horse picture behind my monitors and see, in the horse group, black-black-white-black-black-black-white, and yeah that's a possible pattern, and no it doesn't mean anything. PLUS, now it's maybe-suspicious in your world to move from ignorance to understanding as time progresses? Or are you Billy Pilgrim, displaced in time and confused about how I could have understanding at one point in time, and also have ignorance at another? We live in a linear world, buddy. Also, I was never ignorant of the answers to my questions, just to reiterate.
So you claim you were attempting to set scum traps with your questions? Or just get discussion flowing? If the latter, I would rather have discussions about players and their posts and reads, than game mechanics. Discussing mechanics is always a good distraction from the more important discussions at hand.
Shallow inquisition and platitudes, still unimpressed.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:23 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:28 pm Eloh thinks i’m good and bad at the same time
Sounds like a very townie mindset. Eloh I mean.
Defending the Civ who is most under fire is a good look... to invent for yourself.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:55 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:39 am
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Let’s just sort some shit.

Bullzeye - Bad vibes but he appears to be trying the correct townie amount to make things happen if that makes sense. I suspect this is a stylistic clash but it’s hard to tell having not played with him before. Slight townlean. Merits ISO.

ColinIsCool - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance killed by the mafia. Suspected Sloonei in a way that gained him some flack so possible vig hit as well. (Dare I consider a sker on the Syndicate?) Slight scumlean but probably consensus town.

DFaraday - Null. Come on, DF.

Dom - Null. Come on, Dom.

DrWilgy - Null. Come on, Doc.

Infected_alien8_ - Bad vibes. Kinda ignored them cause he’s new to me. Scumlean. Merits ISO.

JaggedJimmyJay - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance of being the mafia hit. Acting different from normal so there’s a chance he was a vig hit. Few players flat out said Jay was bad, though. Townread.

K-Ness - Need more. Slight townlean.

Kylemii - Null. Come on, Kyle.

Long Con - Feels right. I sense town effort, not scum agenda. Townread.

Lunalee - Her willingness to defend her hubby who is statistically unlikely to be her scum partner feels town motivated but I still need more from her. Townlean.

MacDougall - Initially felt very town for mindmeld and aggression but I’m wavering a bit. Townlean.

Marmot - Null. Come on, Marmot.

novaselinenever - Townlean. Votes poured in on him too quickly and his reaction seemed genuine.

nutella - Townlean. Very loose. A bit swingy but that’s Nutella sometimes.

Quin - Townread. It’s a secret why.

Simon - Null. Come on, Simon. Likely not w/w with Sloonei.

Sloonei - I’ve gone back and forth. Overall, there’s not much in the way of red flags but I consider myself pretty bad at reading Sloonei. I think I may have identified a scumSloonei tendency but I’m keeping it in my back pocket. Slight townlean.

speedchuck - Null. Hasn’t really said much besides naysaying some shit. Come on, Speed.

Soneji - Null. Come on, Soneji.

sprityo - Townlean. It’s a secret from everyone.

Turnip Head - Scumlean. I don’t see the town/neutral TH I’m used to seeing. For someone so excited about this game, he hasn’t been very present.

White - Null. Has this slot posted?

So I’d probably shoot an inactive if it were up to me.

Nice analysis Jack. I would bet there's at least one mafia among the low/lazy-posters. We should look into DFaraday, Dom, Dr. Wilgy, Alien, K-Ness, Kylemii, Marmot, Simon, Speedchuck, Soneji, and sprityo.

(ignoring White for now. they aren't even playing)

That is sort of a long list, but I think it's a good place to start. I'll add my own analyses later.
Low Player Salad, not the worst case of Salad I have seen, but excessive. Speedchuck was low/lazy?

... Luna's last analysis post is good follow-up at least. Some suspicion, I'll follow that vote. [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine
So the reason Speedchuck was added to my list of people I wanted to look closer at (player salad I believe you call it?), was I wanted to analyze those Jack had null reads on. Apparently speed has been posting plenty, and for some reason Jack still had a null read on him.

Marmot's mentions of Alien (he who became DharmaHelper)

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Lunalee's mentions of Alien (he who became DharmaHelper)

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:59 am
Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:32 am
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Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:02 am
Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:45 pm
Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:51 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:06 pm

Hello. We have not played together. Tell me about yourself.
Pleased to meet you.

Umm, I'm a 20 year old guy who isn't very interesting.

Yourself?
I am an exceedingly interesting 26 year old male.

What’s your deal in the game of mafia?
Well consider my interest piqued!

What do you mean by 'deal''?
What's your playstyle? Where do you come from? How long have you been playing? What do you look for when you're playing?
I'm not really sure how to describe my playstyle. I tend to interrogate people a lot, and my intuition has often proven to be pretty strong.

I come from a community I've been a part of ever since I was 12 or so, I've grown up alongside the people there and got some close friends there

I've been playing forum mafia for about two and a half years

I read posts and listen to what my intuition tells me about them, so I don't really actively look for anything specific, I just let my reads come to me -but obviously ultimately I'm looking for scum, even if I'm scum myself I try to trick myself into genuinely looking for scum but I have a difficult time doing that. And of course I look for fun!

What about yourself?
Got any "intuition" reads yet?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:55 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:39 am
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Let’s just sort some shit.

Bullzeye - Bad vibes but he appears to be trying the correct townie amount to make things happen if that makes sense. I suspect this is a stylistic clash but it’s hard to tell having not played with him before. Slight townlean. Merits ISO.

ColinIsCool - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance killed by the mafia. Suspected Sloonei in a way that gained him some flack so possible vig hit as well. (Dare I consider a sker on the Syndicate?) Slight scumlean but probably consensus town.

DFaraday - Null. Come on, DF.

Dom - Null. Come on, Dom.

DrWilgy - Null. Come on, Doc.

Infected_alien8_ - Bad vibes. Kinda ignored them cause he’s new to me. Scumlean. Merits ISO.

JaggedJimmyJay - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance of being the mafia hit. Acting different from normal so there’s a chance he was a vig hit. Few players flat out said Jay was bad, though. Townread.

K-Ness - Need more. Slight townlean.

Kylemii - Null. Come on, Kyle.

Long Con - Feels right. I sense town effort, not scum agenda. Townread.

Lunalee - Her willingness to defend her hubby who is statistically unlikely to be her scum partner feels town motivated but I still need more from her. Townlean.

MacDougall - Initially felt very town for mindmeld and aggression but I’m wavering a bit. Townlean.

Marmot - Null. Come on, Marmot.

novaselinenever - Townlean. Votes poured in on him too quickly and his reaction seemed genuine.

nutella - Townlean. Very loose. A bit swingy but that’s Nutella sometimes.

Quin - Townread. It’s a secret why.

Simon - Null. Come on, Simon. Likely not w/w with Sloonei.

Sloonei - I’ve gone back and forth. Overall, there’s not much in the way of red flags but I consider myself pretty bad at reading Sloonei. I think I may have identified a scumSloonei tendency but I’m keeping it in my back pocket. Slight townlean.

speedchuck - Null. Hasn’t really said much besides naysaying some shit. Come on, Speed.

Soneji - Null. Come on, Soneji.

sprityo - Townlean. It’s a secret from everyone.

Turnip Head - Scumlean. I don’t see the town/neutral TH I’m used to seeing. For someone so excited about this game, he hasn’t been very present.

White - Null. Has this slot posted?

So I’d probably shoot an inactive if it were up to me.

Nice analysis Jack. I would bet there's at least one mafia among the low/lazy-posters. We should look into DFaraday, Dom, Dr. Wilgy, Alien, K-Ness, Kylemii, Marmot, Simon, Speedchuck, Soneji, and sprityo.

(ignoring White for now. they aren't even playing)

That is sort of a long list, but I think it's a good place to start. I'll add my own analyses later.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:19 pm Analysis post part 1:
Bullzeye gives his reason for voting Quin. He dislikes Quin's questions, and even after Quin provides a valid response, Bullzeye responds with basically "I'm going to say your response looks fake because I'm so set on voting for you." Not the best look.
DFaraday was definitely around on Sunday, but still hasn't bothered to engage with the thread until today. Could be legit busy, or mafia taking a back-seat role to avoid suspicion.
Dom has done very little other than vote for Eloh. Not a good look.
Dr. Wilgy checked in on day 0, but then forgot the game started until today. Nothing really to go on unless it's a brilliant mafia strategy of "just step away and pretend the game doesn't exist"
Soneji checked in on day 0 and hasn't been back. So I've got nothing.
Alien was actually quite active on day 1, but hasn't been back since. On day 1, Alien left his vote on Mac, even though he previously read "Jack is town, sloon is mafia, mac is slightly suspicious but not as much as sloon, same with eloh" I don't like his back-tracking here.
Marmot called me out for calling him an inactive. He actually has been fairly active, but he still hasn't said all that much.. Maybe it's just his playstyle, but I wouldn't be surprised if Marmot turned out to be scum.

Not done, but posting this for now. I'll finish up later this evening.

It makes sense. Remember the whole replacement=scum thing. (excluding White because White didn't have any posts so that made them a priority)

Also POE if Jack is town. And I like Jack too.

I could buy that Marmot and Luna controlled the kill N1. Most of the rest were inactives. DH came in to save ruin the day as another mafia bro.

Add in Wil(g)y and DF, call it a day.

That's a proposed scumteam I would buy.
But I like DH.

I'm being pretty convinced right now by JoH's call to meta. I feel inactives would be flying straight to hell if he was scum captain.

Source: Been scum with the guy. And killing JJJ (presumably) N1? Lame as heeeeellllll

So to clarify, JoH:

You have no scumteams that include Dizzy, Kylemii, Kness, Nova (Inactive???), or TH.

Those are your current lock-town reads?

linki: F you I made this post.

I'd love to see LC do the same to DH as he did to JoH. Did I miss him doing that?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:35 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:27 pm If this game ends with a loss because of inactives I'm going to fart on some people.
You can't lose to inactives but you can lose because of them.

Surely you're not flat out saying that you want to rant about inactive scum because your team has inactive scum on it, right?

Nope, different reason.

If this game ends with a loss because of inactives I'm going to fart on some people.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:22 pm Nonparticipating scum aren't the problem.

I... might go on a rant about this after the game.

Not that I disagree with you.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:15 pm So who is unlikely to be teamed? We have 3 mafia left in the game. The likelihood of all being active are rather low imo, but I guess you never know.

That's the elephant in the room. What will we do about the inactives?

I don't think all three remaining scum are inactive, though, so we can put things off.

I'm thinking about townreading Nova, are there any reasons I shouldn't?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:11 pm I'm going to just decide that I read Jack as town, cause that's what I've been feeling most of the game.

It really is easier that way.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:08 pm Speed, you are still voting for me and I have my eye on you.

My bad. I fixed it. But sure, okay.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:01 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:57 pm update: it works if you spell it right
I knew that. I was just testing you.

update: it works if you spell it right

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:50 pm When you try to prove you didn't kill your friends.

Common? COMMON? I am a unique butterfly!

It's also weird because you're missing the 'S'

Yeah I get that reaction a lot

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:31 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:25 pm [VOTE: JoH] aubergine
Why? Your commentary on DH’s case was like “This is good except for all the details, which really aren’t.”

Do you think I really shoot all those loud players, all the players like Mac, Quin and Sprityo who were on my side about things?

Do you think I beg the town to doctor Nutella and then shoot her anyway?

Do you think DH really fought against the Marmot lynch but jumped right into scumreading me and Kness based on one post each because he actually thought Marmot was town and actually thinks Kness and I are scum?

Regardless of DH’s alignment, your reaction to all this is not great.

Linki: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Nah, you're probably town. I was just making waffles.

[VOTE: K-Ness] aubergine

I've got a headache today but I wanna talk about K-ness.

[VOTE: JoH] aubergine

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:53 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:44 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:41 pm So should we make a train on Nova or something? For aesthetic purposes.
[VOTE: Novaselineever] aubergine
[VOTE:

Cool. I can sheep you now. <3

[VOTE: Nova] aubergine] aubergine

[VOTE:

I wouldn't have done it if I thought you'd follow me. The 'asthetic' was having a vote on Kness AND Nova, right?] aubergine

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:41 pm So should we make a train on Nova or something? For aesthetic purposes.

[VOTE: Novaselineever] aubergine

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