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The only way Quin's story and mine could work together with LC diricrawling timmer is if Long Con killed Epi and Epi responded with a Hippogrif.

Assuming Hippogrifs are not redirectable, which IDK

Still super unlikely. Why would Epi use it tonight? It's one-shot.

Occam says Quin is lying (Or I am, but this is all for after I flip town anyway)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:04 pm Scum using a diricrawl between timmer and LC makes sense in theory. But then we’d need to answer how LC ended up dead, I think.

It does not.

Because it means whatever killed LC was aiming for Timmer.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:52 pm So basically, you admit you're a liar?

I admit that our claims are incompatible, if that's what you are saying. Thus I call YOU a liar.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:50 pm If kara used a diricrawl on himself and you, I don't see how that has any impact on me who targeted a combination of timmer, Sloonei and LC unless you're talking about additional redirections, of which there isn't enough of.

That's the point. There aren't enough redirections.

Assume you were telling the truth. You were not redirected, because you're protected from Imperius.

Therefore, for me to see you, my action had to be redirected to YOUR target.

There aren't enough redirects for that, and the path would be hopelessly convoluted if there were.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:47 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:46 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:43 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:40 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:37 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:36 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm Speedchuck just confirmed himself as scum and that his teammate is in Slytherin. Nice!

I don't get it. Please explain while I sit with my legs crossed and listen nice a nice boy.

diricrawl cannot switch actions directed at one person to another, diricrawl can only switch actions directed at the owner to another. speedchuck has maintained the first, which is a mechanical impossibility.

he also says his floo powder buddy is the reason for this, who can only be a Slytherin since they last won the house cup.

Speed is saying his floobuddy (who is Kara because she already said so) dirticrawler switched herself with Speed.

Therefore, someone who have had to misdirect Kara and him for his info to be wrong.

He’s still bad but you misunderstood.

and juliets also claimed being redirected.

So? That information strengthens my argument.

I have no idea how.

For you to be telling the truth, Kara would have to be targeted by a timmer-aimed redirect which would then target me and send me to timmer to see you!

And as we can see, scum already used their redirect on Juliets.

There is no redirect for me. A diricawl wouldn't work unless LC or Timmer used it on each other possibly somehow.

There is no world in which what I saw meshes with your claim.

[mention]juliets[/mention] Nothing has changed. Just extra layers of confusing nonsense required for me to believe Quin

Sorry about your bed mate

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:43 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:40 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:37 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:36 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm Speedchuck just confirmed himself as scum and that his teammate is in Slytherin. Nice!

I don't get it. Please explain while I sit with my legs crossed and listen nice a nice boy.

diricrawl cannot switch actions directed at one person to another, diricrawl can only switch actions directed at the owner to another. speedchuck has maintained the first, which is a mechanical impossibility.

he also says his floo powder buddy is the reason for this, who can only be a Slytherin since they last won the house cup.

Speed is saying his floobuddy (who is Kara because she already said so) dirticrawler switched herself with Speed.

Therefore, someone who have had to misdirect Kara and him for his info to be wrong.

He’s still bad but you misunderstood.

and juliets also claimed being redirected.

So? That information strengthens my argument.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:43 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:42 pm Also I haven't seen Kara in most scum POEs.

They've been out of pretty much all of them I've seen what are you on about or am I on something?

kara's in my POE.

So 'tis. I just went back and checked. Nevermind that, my memory is bogus. I thought whatever scum POE I agreed with a few pages back was absent of Kara.

Also I haven't seen Kara in most scum POEs.

They've been out of pretty much all of them I've seen what are you on about or am I on something?

Not mine, Jack.

And thanks for explaining for me about the Diridiri cuz Quin is confusing the heck out of me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm @speedchuck

Why did you tell Kara who you think the vig is?

So that when I die my knowledge lives on. I think Kara is town.



Considered telling the rest of the thread, too.

What the heck is all this tho

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:29 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:03 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:53 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:46 pm Speedchuck c'mon. You would never be suspicious of me if you were town.

If you were town and I was scum I'd be staying the heck away TBH. You got too much bite for me.

Summarise your suspicion of me.

Your attitude surrounding the night vigs set me off. Felt like you were putting a downer on town, and like you were frustrated with the results.

Otherwise you've seemed town.

Putting a downer on town and being frustrated with the results ay? Nah I don't buy it.

Oh gee you don't agree with my case I wonder why

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:08 pm I'm not convinced on Sloonei and Luna. I can understand why some people suspect Luna. Are people suspecting Sloonei based on LC's vote for Turnip? Or are there other things I'm not remembering?

I'm not convinced on Luna either, though I am terrible at reading her. I've thought her town for a while.

People suspect Sloonei based on LC saving Owner, but also because Owner's early suspicions looked bogus. There's a reason she had a lynch train going.
I only stopped going after Owner because she acted without self-preservation. Now that we know the rest of the scumteam was preserving her, there's less reason to do that.

Not lock scum or anything, mind you. But that's why, as far as I know.

linki: JJJ might have more things.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:00 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:42 pm Jay - town because he doesn't bus teammates in the same way he did INH
nutella - town because tone and meta and everything else basically
DH - Town because he is
Mac - Pisses me off. Town because tone. Mafia because upset with vig kills and promoting bogus theories. Waffles.
poutanko - Town because she is sweet and innocent and has good scum interactions and because no scum would fake a cop check right now right?
Quin - Possible liar, unless he was misdirected. Townread otherwise.
Colin - Town because cop check and I've been reading him town all game. Cares about the roof.
kara - Town because genuine emotion in early posts
Jack - Weakest townread for me, but seems genuine
Luna - Town because she's made way more mistakes than she does as scum
Sloonei - Was only town because lack of self-preservation. Long Con flip changes that. Fake, scum, blegh
sprityo - No reason to townread whatsoever
timmer - Still town yo
speed - No corruption, Rigged witch hunt (seriously vig me tonight so you can use my analysis and info)
INH - Scum

Why is Sloonei such a strong suspect? Why is Quin so marginal given his apparent contradiction of your night actions? Who would be the most likely partners for Quin if we assume he is a dirty rotten liar? Do you have anything more specific to say about Jack?

Owner's suspicions seemed fake back on Day 1. I scumread her, and only ended up switching to a townread because of her unwillingness to save herself from the lynch. Long Con saved her instead, and that puts a damper on my read.

You missed part of my post in your quote there. I suspect Quin more now, you slightly less (but not much less).

My other scumspects. I haven't looked at the interactions yet, but POE enough and you don't have to.

Looking at Jack has been like looking at a wall all game. He's done nothing to ping me, and only his attitude about the game makes me think he's town.

I don't have a whole lot else to say. I don't feel like summarizing my entire game experience that led up to these reads for you, sorry. I don't expect you to read the whole thread.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:53 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:46 pm Speedchuck c'mon. You would never be suspicious of me if you were town.

If you were town and I was scum I'd be staying the heck away TBH. You got too much bite for me.

Summarise your suspicion of me.

Your attitude surrounding the night vigs set me off. Felt like you were putting a downer on town, and like you were frustrated with the results.

Otherwise you've seemed town.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:57 pm speed could you be more specific about what your floo partner did or are you saying he was a target? And if you are saying your floo partner was the re-director who does he/she say they re-directed? Thats the part I'm confused about. Thank you.

My floo partner (who can out themselves if they wish) said that they used a diricawl on me night 3.

This doesn't really matter unless we're trying to prove that the mafia targeted me with a redirect. In that case, the mafia would have had to target that other person instead. Then tried to send the other person to timmer for no reason.

Now that we've established that you were redirected, it's likely not important at all.

If you're still confused, look up the Diricawl in the rules.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:46 pm Speedchuck c'mon. You would never be suspicious of me if you were town.

If you were town and I was scum I'd be staying the heck away TBH. You got too much bite for me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:32 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:25 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:24 pm Remaining scum are in this pile: INH, Speed, Sloonei, Quin, Luna, sprit. Objections?

My POE is the same, except Luna is swapped for Jack.

@ColinIsCool @jay, how would each of you rank these suspects from least to most suspicious?
@anyone else, do you have any objections to these lists in any way?

JJJ's list is better.

Otherwise, no objections.

Why is it better? How would you rank the suspects?

The only difference is switching out Jack and Luna. Jack is a better suspect than Luna IMO. Not loads better, but better.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:24 am Jay - town because he doesn't bus teammates in the same way he did INH
nutella - town because tone and meta and everything else basically
DH - Town because he is
Mac - Pisses me off. Town because tone. Mafia because upset with vig kills and promoting bogus theories. Waffles.
poutanko - Town because she is sweet and innocent and has good scum interactions and because no scum would fake a cop check right now right?
Quin - Possible liar, unless he was misdirected. Townread otherwise.
Colin - Town because cop check and I've been reading him town all game. Cares about the roof.
kara - Town because genuine emotion in early posts
Jack - Weakest townread for me, but seems genuine
Luna - Town because she's made way more mistakes than she does as scum
Sloonei - Was only town because lack of self-preservation. Long Con flip changes that. Fake, scum, blegh
sprityo - No reason to townread whatsoever
timmer - Still town yo
speed - No corruption, Rigged witch hunt (seriously vig me tonight so you can use my analysis and info)
INH - Scum

Guessing that there are at most 6 scum. Long Con, INH, Nova, Sloonei, and two of (Mac, Quin, Sprit)

Game solved.

I beat JJJ to the punch, making POE lists. I'd say right now I suspect Quin more and Sloonei slightly less than I did.

I would still throw Mac on the list, personallt. I'd forgotten about that. Replace me with Mac on JJJ's list.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:33 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:48 pm I am almost certain that Quin tried to Patronus Long Con and my other visitor broke through it with the Elder Wand. Surprisingly, it requires the least assumptions.

Ironically, if Quin did summon a patronus for Long Con, then timmer really did waste it by declining to pull the trigger last night. So Quin's complaint was valid.

Brilliant.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:26 pm jay, how would each of you rank these suspects from least to most suspicious?

Least to most:

karavalenge
Jackofhearts2005
sprityo
Slowner
Quin
speedzeye

INH is redundant. I need to remove one name from my pool to feel comfortable.

*volunteers*

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:25 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:24 pm Remaining scum are in this pile: INH, Speed, Sloonei, Quin, Luna, sprit. Objections?

My POE is the same, except Luna is swapped for Jack.

@ColinIsCool @jay, how would each of you rank these suspects from least to most suspicious?
@anyone else, do you have any objections to these lists in any way?

JJJ's list is better.

Otherwise, no objections.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:48 pm Let's make another summary:

Quin's claim: Expecto Patronum directed at Timmer and Sloonei. <Patronus> Blocks redirects and other dark arts for Quin, Timmer, Sloonei.

Speed's claim: Quin visited Long Con.

For both claims to be true:
Timmer had to use a diricawl on Long Con. Didn't happen, or I'd have seen it. Timmer also denies it. NOT POSSIBLE.
OR
A redirector had to target (my floo partner), aiming to redirect them at Timmer for some reason. I got caught in it instead. I got directed at Timmer, and saw Quin there with ???. This adds an extra scum night action when we already know they did a lot of things. It also nails my other spotted suspect as scum. NEAR IMPOSSIBLE.

Quin is lying. His story doesn't make sense, he targeted Sloonei for some reason, he only revealed one target at first.

I am almost certain that Quin tried to Patronus Long Con and my other visitor broke through it with the Elder Wand. Surprisingly, it requires the least assumptions.

This is the Quin/speed thing.

If you have questions, [mention]juliets[/mention], you know where to find me

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:28 pm DAMN DDL did tell me Glorfs actions and trying to use the Phoenix wasn't one of them.

He was probably waiting to use it on a supahtown.

All I'm going to say about that. It happened. I do believe that scum redirected it, and that all makes sense. Let's move on.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:19 pm Did Glor fail N1 or more likely N2? If they misdirected you into a dead player, they had to know you had a phoenix.

This means scum misdirect shenanigans very unlikely to be the cause of Speed/Quin discrepancy.

Glorf wouldn't have to fail. Divination and a couple of other hogwarts abilities could figure it out too. Not just the torture curse.

If Pout is lying about checking me and Colin then that is an insanely gutsy play holy carp. Would not have expected it from her.
And given the voting it's... a bit of a... long con.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:02 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:49 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:46 pm I’m taking Sloonei out of my poe.

Which way?

Gently.

I don't know whether you're taking him out of the suspect pool or out of the townfirm pool.

And why?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:51 pm A. There is a reasonable suspicion of scum trickery involved with lynching INH today

Didn't you use a Thundebird or something?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:46 pm I’m taking Sloonei out of my poe.

Which way?

Let's make another summary:

Quin's claim: Expecto Patronum directed at Timmer and Sloonei. Blocks redirects and other dark arts for Quin, Timmer, Sloonei.

Speed's claim: Quin visited Long Con.

For both claims to be true:
Timmer had to use a diricawl on Long Con. Didn't happen, or I'd have seen it. Timmer also denies it. NOT POSSIBLE.
Or
A redirector had to target (my floo partner), aiming to redirect them at Timmer for some reason. I got caught in it instead. I got directed at Timmer, and saw Quin there with ???. This adds an extra scum night action when we already know they did a lot of things. It also nails my other spotted suspect as scum. NEAR IMPOSSIBLE.

Quin is lying. His story doesn't make sense, he targeted Sloonei for some reason, he only revealed one target at first.

I am almost certain that Quin tried to Patronus Long Con and my other visitor broke through it with the Elder Wand. Surprisingly, it requires the least assumptions.

-

This, unless someone wants to propose other options, is my final word on that. Quin is 90% lying for some reason. The other 10% are random mechanical screwery. Quin is likely scum due to this. I'll stand by that.

Jay is right that we should probably not focus on this to the exclusion of reads, so I'll just leave it there for now.

I was not redirected last night, most likely. I am in a floo chat right now and my partner claimed to diriwhatzit me. For a redirect to target me and send me at timmer, it would have to have targeted them first.

What are the odds of a perfect double redirect?

I saw Quin kissing long con.
He is a liar.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:31 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:28 pm That's like being outraged because it's raining. There's nothing you can do about it. It happened, and now I have to deal with it. I'd rather be outraged when people scumread me for staying calm, because what even is that?

The comparison is not accurate. You spent zero seconds exploring the potential that poutanko wasn't being truthful, which doesn't even have to reflect a mafia alignment.

Town-faked reads usually don't have an account for multiple nights. Scum faked reads are a good way to out yourself. And Pout has been voting bulls for days. Obviously not fake.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:24 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:09 am

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:15 am I totally agree with Jay's statement about speed's reaction to a red check. I think most people would be reacting with more emotion.

Cop checks I get. Can't be helped, fate is sealed, no reason to get all hot. But this line of reasoning is stupid.

Just got home and am catching up - what exactly is stupid?

Saying that I'm scum because I wasn't outraged about a cop check.

That's like being outraged because it's raining. There's nothing you can do about it. It happened, and now I have to deal with it. I'd rather be outraged when people scumread me for staying calm, because what even is that?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:22 pm I dunno, Speed. You’ve been pretty solidly townread minus residual Bullzeye stuff so I would guess, if good, you’re a target for scum-chicanery.

I'll address this in a minute. It's nigh impossible for me to have been redirected last night.

yeah, no Quin is a liar. #lynchallliars

At least after you lynch me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:12 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:08 pm Why would I be redirected, though? Especially to Timmer?

If they know you're a watcher, redirecting you to the Not Kill Target would be the idea.

This is all convoluted and I am leaning in the direction of not caring. Straight up reads are more reliable at this point, IMO.

Can use one to generate the other.

Anyway Quin is scum unless he admits to being the Vig and somehow convinces of that.

I don't think scum has the manpower to affect Timmer (which is what I saw if I was redirected there), redirect me, obliviate and block Pout, kill Epi, AND bring back INH.

It makes more sense if scum Rezzed INH, tried to protect LC, killed Epi, and did something to Pout.

Still four actions, but it assumes less than five. And how many scum do we have anyway? How many actions can they use? Egh.

Quin prolly bad or foolish vig. If he's not either, then ??? is probably bad.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:09 pm This one time I caught Golden and this was a secret code for me to point back to later.

what

Option D is that Quin was telling the truth and I watched Timmer without knowing it. I do not believe that to be the case.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:02 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:57 pmd. telling the truth, and Speed was redirected to Sloon or Timmer for some reason. If I went to Timmer and then Quin protected him, the other person I saw would be an evil dark arts user.

Thoughts?

I don't get it. Please restate another way.

If I were redirected to watch Timmer, that would mean Quin and ??? visited timmer. Quin would be telling the truth, meaning he protected timmer from being roleblocked or redirected by ???. ??? would likely be scum trying to mess with the known vig.

Why would I be redirected, though? Especially to Timmer?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:03 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:58 pm I can't imagine why I would be redirected, so I'm leaning toward C. Quin is an evil patronus user trying to save LC and got pierced by an Elder Wand kill. Only way a piercing kill would aim at LC (scum wouldn't redirect a town at LC lol)

What do you mean you can’t imagine why you’d be redirected?

Why would someone redirect me instead of the known Vig? Or someone with stronger abilities than I have, if they checked them? I'm just a watcher. Further, why redirect me TO the known vig?

I can't imagine why I would be redirected, so I'm leaning toward C. Quin is an evil patronus user trying to save LC and got pierced by an Elder Wand kill. Only way a piercing kill would aim at LC (scum wouldn't redirect a town at LC lol)

Okay, revised Quin possibilities:

Quin is:
a. A town vig trying to cover his tracks. In which case, clear things up Quin. It's not worth it.
b. Redirected
c. Mafia creating a fake story to cover something. If he's really a patronus user, then the other guy would have to have a piercing kill, which is scum or ELDER WAND stuff. Given how little sense it makes for Mafia to piercing kill Long Con while Quin protects him, I'd lean towards the Wand despite being ignorant about it.
d. telling the truth, and Speed was redirected to Sloon or Timmer for some reason. If I went to Timmer and then Quin protected him, the other person I saw would be an evil dark arts user.

Thoughts?

I guess there's one other possibility. Hold up.

Man, point.

But then INH would give scum a guaranteed extra night action.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:20 pm [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine because i feel like that vote is more vital to solving the game right now. Re-eliminating INH remains a priority, but we already know his deal. There's questions that need to be answered in the Speedchuck/Quin realm. I'll go with the guy who has a guilty cop ID on him.

This is actually pretty good logic you guys

Quin is either:

a. A town vig trying to cover his tracks. If so, he chose a bad way to do it. Like why Patronus? Why claim at all?
b. Redirected
c. Mafia creating a fake story to cover ???. If so, he chose a bad way to do it. Like why Patronus? Why claim at all?

I'm not sure what to think. On that note, here's why Quin might be the evil:

[Expecto Patronum]: This spell will make the user and another two students immune to Dark Arts, except [Avada Kedavra], for a night.
When used by a guilty student, it will create a distraction around themselves and another student, protecting them from all negative abilities.

Quin only claimed one target at first. If he was scum, he only HAD one target. And he had ample reason to go after Long Con, to protect him from negative abilities. That would all make sense.

But on the other hand... Long Con died anyway. Meaning ??? would have to have a super kill. DDL specifically mentioned that, but... like duh. Super kills go past protections.
If that's relevant, then... two options. One: Scum was redirected and bypassed their own patronum to kill LC with a superkill. Too hilarious to be true.
Two: ??? has the Elder wand and they killed LC with it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:03 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:57 pm Quin complains, says he Patronummed Long Con.

Do you mean he patronummed timmer?

Yep, that is what I meant.

He claimed to target Timmer and later claimed Sloonei as well.

But he visited Long Con.

Or, y'know, Quin is a scum liar because lying. Making him a scum something visiting Long Con. I don't know why that would happen.

Long Con dies, Epi dies.

Speed asks how Long Con died without Timmer targeting him.
Timmer confirms he did not target Long Con.
Quin complains, says he Patronummed Long Con.
After Speed badgers Quin, quin reveals his other target was fricking Sloonei for some reason
Speed call Quin a liar, says Quin targeted Long Con as well as some other person
Quin and Speed ask Timmer if he used a redirector Dirisomething. He did not.

Pout says she copped Bullchuck N1 and got scum
Pout says she copped colin N2 and got town
After much badgering, Pout says she is now unable to use her cop and got no results night 3.

Why do I have to badger so much?

Conclusion:
Quin did not target who he said he did. Either Quin is a lying town vig for some reason or he got redirected.
???, the other one who targeted Long Con, was the likely killer.
Colin is probably town because no way would Pout's checks both get redirected.

Did I miss anything?

Also, with what looks like a nightly civ vig, it doesn't really matter whether any few townies in particular think the red check is sufficient. I am not long for this world.