The Syndicate

LC's case against JoH is pretty good. I'd like to see him case one or two other people in the game using the same metrics, since we have so much time. It would help to know if JoH's baddie-looking stuff s roughly equivalent to everyone else's.

The train of people voting DH looks awful. The train of people on JoH only hurts because Wilgy is on it.

K-Ness wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:12 pm Does Dharma always act like this, or just when he's pegged logically as being scum?

I wanna hear more of this logical proof.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:12 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:03 am Solved the game for you guys by Day 8 like I said I would you're welcome.
So everyone voting you right now is the scum team?

I like DH's case on JoH somewhat but I've been scum with Jack before. He wasn't, as I recall, the type to defend me or vote alongside me. I'd have to go back to Pirates to check that out more.
This is mitigated by Jack making waffles all over K-ness and DH, which isn't the same as defending.
And like Jack said, he didn't vote with K-ness. K-ness voted with him.

So maybe. But it doesn't feel like it should be that easy. And DH is kinda throwing NO U crap everywhere, coincidentally or not.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:59 am Not bad, speedchuck.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:00 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:57 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:54 am I qualify teammates as "people I have BTSC with"

Civ's are all on the same "team" but I view team"mates" as people I can strategize with and talk to and learn from RE: Night abilities and shit. Masons would be a group of civ "teammates". I'm sorry to disappoint you and your 3p theory but that aint me

Alright, glad I got that all clarified at least.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:25 am I'm kinda suspicious of speedchuck again actually. He was on my good side for a little while.

I don't have any idea what's making you tick me up and down your readlist. You're like a fickle lover.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:54 am I qualify teammates as "people I have BTSC with"

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:25 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:19 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:12 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:41 pm Oh only four lynches. Oh ok.
If DH has any teammates in BTSC, they aren't helping him to catch up. The case against marmot, the use of their power to skip a day, etc. DH has been relying on us. Three possibilities.
1. He has no teammates.
2. He has no ACTIVE teammates.
3. They're being smart about trying to get us to believe 1 or 2. Which... meh.
I have no teammates.
Holy **** it's PROTO MAN

If DH is anything like me, he'd have taken this opportunity to role-hint. And that's what it looked like to me. Even townies have teammates yo.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:46 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:33 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:30 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:25 pm Im to the point where "Do i want to lynch Kness because he's actively partaking in lynch voting. Or do i want to lynch nova because theyre inactive and I dont like them?'"
Sprit, I really want to hear your account for why you think Dharma is town, please?

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:18 am So was that whole thing with jay and mac jay not realizing civs don't get told they're recruited meaning he's not a civ or...?
townslipped himself
This only means he's not scum.

(I'm home and catching up at the moment)

Slip from Alien. It's a "not-mafia" slip, and I feel like it's likely to come from 3P? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the slip.

On top of all that, DH was a priority replacement DESPITE the fact that we had a read on Alien. (White was replaced first, but the dude literally hadn't posted.) As a host, I would have replaced by order of inactivity. Soneji should have been replaced before Alien. Same for Wilgy, DF, etc. Why was Alien replaced before all these others?
You could point to that and say it's because DH is scum. But I think a team of one deserves a replacement before a team of five needs one.

Maybe I'm overstating my certainty, but 3P-DH seems like it fits the facts to me.

I'm back.

Looks like people mostly wanna talk about my Dharma-3P suspish. I'll grab some stuff.

I'll elaborate tomorrow. Exhausted right now. But there are lots of reasons. It's somewhwere in my ISO where I say he's Proto Man to start with

DharmaHelper - I firmly think is 3P. Fite me.
DFaraday - scumread
Dom - ??? town?
DrWilgy - ??? scum?
Dyslexicon - town
JackofHearts2005 - waffling
K-Ness - scum
Kylemii - town
Long Con - town
novaselinenever - scum
speedchuck - XOXO
Soneji - town
Turnip Head - town

I think there is at least one (mostly) inactive scum, if not two. This list: DF, Dom, Wilgy, Nova, Soneji.
That ain't good. My bets are on Nova and/or DF for reasons I might get into during the day.

I think DH is 3P for other reasons. Some of which I kinda remember. Will get into that today.

K-Ness felt terrible on the previous two pages. DH's case on JoH has merit, but it's hard to stand firmly on the two in between all the bullcrap.

linki: Hope your tomorrow is good [mention]K-Ness[/mention]

RIP Sprit.

I'm caught up.

linki omg stopp
linki x2 staaahp

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:33 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:30 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:25 pm Im to the point where "Do i want to lynch Kness because he's actively partaking in lynch voting. Or do i want to lynch nova because theyre inactive and I dont like them?'"
Sprit, I really want to hear your account for why you think Dharma is town, please?

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:18 am So was that whole thing with jay and mac jay not realizing civs don't get told they're recruited meaning he's not a civ or...?
townslipped himself

This only means he's not scum.

(I'm home and catching up at the moment)

Still out of town butI'm loving this, pleasecontinue

I'll be out of town for the night. Assuming I'm alive, I'll help try to sort this mess out tomorrow (in game) or die trying.

Sorry Bullzeye. I was 25% sure you were town... or something.

linki: I will be watching Venom at dayend. If the Jack case is just him bring aggressive, and his voting record being less than perfect, Ima pass for now.

Could be that there's more than that, but I don't have time to look at this very moment. And I'd rather not take a pro-town loudmouth out of the game.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:10 pm
Speedchuck

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:26 pm Bullseye is like "the defense of sloonei is jus wifom, "and it's like yeah. So we're the accusations
This is an interesting criticism of the Sloonei accusations when you consider that it's coming from someone who had voted Sloonei that day.

To clarify, this was not a criticism. It was a refutation of criticism. But that's neither here nor there.

I'll look at Jack.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 1:08 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:49 pm
Bullzeye wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:40 amGiven himself a lovely bit of wiggle room there for when I flip civ and he can say "damn, I was 25% sure he wasn't bad". It's interesting to me that Speedchuck's first vote for a baddie was the second Marmot lynch, he didn't vote Luna and voted Simon during the tie.
So are you saying that Speed is scum and that you want him lynched or are you more concerned about discrediting him because of his opinion of you? Cause it looks more like the latter to me.
Today I'm probably going to have to vote defensively but honestly at this stage I wouldn't mind a Speed lynch. I felt a bit off about his and TH's buddying in the push against me so I read his ISO and realised he's never voted for a baddie except when basically everyone who's playing did.

In case you're actually sincere in your suspicion of me, based on vote placement:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 50#p420562

Have some fun with this topic.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:23 pm I'm not saying you're trying to make sure you look good, I'm saying you're pre-emptively defending yourself by stating that you aren't 100% sure I'm bad. If I'm lynched you'll fall back on that post as your defense. I think the fact you've avoided voting baddies twice makes you look like you're possibly their teammate. Besides, you can be on the wrong side of history and still be trying to make yourself look good. Nobody is trying to make themselves look bad.

Nah, if I'm wrong I'll ignore defense, own it, and continue to try and solve the game. Defense, as I've previously stated, is a waste of time. Unless I can scumhunt by poking holes in the smears.

I'm also seeing Venom tonight. Wasn't planning to, but someone invited me. It's probably fun but trash. We'll see.

Mega Man 1 yellow devil sucks.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:40 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:54 am Finally read the Bullz case cover-to-cover and it looks like a solid piece of work to ya boi.

I also like that its not a full on "Here's how Bullz is bad" thing, and is careful enough to put him at "75%" bad instead.
Given himself a lovely bit of wiggle room there for when I flip civ and he can say "damn, I was 25% sure he wasn't bad". It's interesting to me that Speedchuck's first vote for a baddie was the second Marmot lynch, he didn't vote Luna and voted Simon during the tie.

"Speedchuck's just trying to make sure he looks good."
"Speedchuck has been on the wrong side of history this whole time, with his vote in the wrong place."

Pick one.

And in addition, what is "interesting" about my vote placement. That's a non-statement that many a scum member has used to doubtcast players.
Also "25% sure he wasn't bad" doesn't make any sense.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:58 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:12 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:05 pmit was a coincidence. I'm just dumb
Can you please link me to a couple of your last scum games?
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =28&t=1358 - Pokemon Mafia
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =27&t=1615 - Retrcocasualty Mafia(replaced in)
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 10#p480610 - DFS Mafia
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=598619 Pokemon Mafia (HCR)

the only four games ive been scum in since.... like 2016? I dont count burglaries cause theyre different

And Dethy game. You've been scum in the previous three games you've played on this site, no?

Also Sprityo is always scum.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:48 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:17 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:23 am oh and Dyslexicon
Can we just talk about how Sprit forgot to tag me when he wanted to see who could participate in the GTH game? This was not late in the day. And how he also automatically assumed mafia was the one imprisoning? Can we?
is the implication here that sprit had foreknowledge that you were imprisoned?

That was my takeaway

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:52 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:53 pmI have no metric for whether I've actually acted like mafia or not.
This stands out to me. Would you say this is normal for you? Speaking just for myself, I sure as hell don't think I come across as mafia when I'm town, unless I'm being particularly lazy or whatever.

I tend to try to read people by motive and meta. I know my motive, so it makes it hard to self-evaluate.
I'm pretty sure I don't try to save teammates like I accidentally did with Simon/Marmot, but other than that, I don't have a lot of meta-points to stand on.

The only non-burglary games where I've been caught as scum was when we'd POE'd it all the way down or I revealed myself, if that helps or makes any difference. I usually do a pretty good job of looking composed as scum.

Though I'm trying to break that meta, so I don't want to rely on it.

I'm not sure how to answer your question. My town meta is whatever it ends up being. I'm not trying to be a performance.

Appreciate the detailed response, Bullz. I haven't seen you before, so I keep thinking you're new. I've only been here since the beginning of 2017.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:17 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:23 am oh and Dyslexicon
Can we just talk about how Sprit forgot to tag me when he wanted to see who could participate in the GTH game? This was not late in the day. And how he also automatically assumed mafia was the one imprisoning? Can we?

I'm down.

I built a whole suspishion post on Sprityo and didn't get much out of it, but that's an interesting addition.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:51 pm Yeah dude it was bait, look at my next post

So it was.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:41 pm speedchuck You were right to barf when Bullzeye feigned interest in a Nova wagon. That was the first post that made me think he and Luna were connected. Case looks thorough, I hope it gets the clicks.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:02 pm
Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:54 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:48 pm Still down for a Nova wagon if there's enough people who would lynch him over Sloonei and/or Luna
Part of me wants to see where Sloonei vs Luna goes but if there's a better option then why not. What makes you want a Nova lynch?
Barf. j/k

.... TURNIP HEAD WROTE:
Still down for a Nova wagon if there's enough people who would lynch him over Sloonei and/or Luna

I don't disagree with you, but, uh wot?

linki:

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] Did I miss anything on Bullzeye?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:09 am Fuck dammit shit.

Would Wilgy have forgotten about the game if he was Wily?

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:30 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.
I'm voting for Long Con in hopes that we can generate discussion about this post. This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up. It's possible he was just getting a feel for things and now he understands what was happening. Or something else. Let's talk about it.
I had thought about this as well but wasn't sure if it was worth bringing up. LC (in my opinion) is generally a smart player who wouldn't need to ask those kinds of questions. I've been bad with him once before in the Monty Python game where he basically carried our team to victory even after we lost two members super early and I got outed halfway through the game.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:31 pm @Bullzeye's big catch-up post just now establishes his presence in this game, but it doesn't offer much in terms of content. Do you have any reads or thoughts about any specific players in the game yet, Bullzeye?
welcome back
I take time to establish myself in games and one of the ways I try to get a good grip on everything is to just say unimportant stuff to get myself out there and work my way into conversations. As mentioned, I think the point about LC holds some weight. I would like to revisit some of the discussion around the recruitment mechanic from this morning, that could be interesting. Given that most players were neither baddies nor civs for the first 24 hours, people couldn't immediately start plotting and planting ideas to return to later like in normal games so I think this will force people to play differently. I have a point here but I'm struggling to find the words so I'll try to come back to it later.

I keep getting stuck in linki but I'm posting this anyway.

First part is notable now that Luna has flipped scum. Bullzeye was very cautious about commenting on that case.

Second part is an okay response to an actual problem.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:22 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:48 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:43 am Which ping from Bullzeye are you calling forced ignorance?
The 1-24 player bit.

If it's cheekiness, that part is null-ish. But for someone saying "I read the rules" you'd thik he'd just say 4, like a reasonable person who read the roles.

I'll get you in a minute, Jack
I'm a very sarcastic person.

(In response to my pings)

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:54 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:19 pm Analysis post part 1:
Bullzeye gives his reason for voting Quin. He dislikes Quin's questions, and even after Quin provides a valid response, Bullzeye responds with basically "I'm going to say your response looks fake because I'm so set on voting for you." Not the best look.
This is such a generic criticism that it could be applied to nearly every vote in nearly every game ever. The majority of votes happen because one person suspects another and that person's responses don't satisfy the accuser. What one person finds valid, another might not. I didn't find his explanation believable.

Distancing? I've seen scummers throw bad suspicions on each other for easy refutation.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:06 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:07 am
Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:56 am Just checking in before work, love how I’m being set up for an easy bandwagon by a bunch of people who know nothing about me. I also don’t see how it’s okay to point out someone is online and reading the thread when their activity is set to hidden. I often check from my phone and hate posting from it so tend not to, and specifically chose to not show as online so that people couldn’t act like that means anything.
Does not knowing you invalidate the suspicion? I admit I know nothing about you or your play style, but you do come across as suspicious to me. But more than that, I really want more content from you. What do you think of the votes on you? What's your take on Spoons? Who do you want to get lynched? All of it. When you have the time.
Your second post in the game was to vote for me and you seemed pretty confident in it at the time. The only real elaboration you gave is that I "write like scumz write". I don't remember if we've ever played a game together before (don't think so) but if we had you'd probably be able to tell that I just write like me. I don't really like being a civ because when I started playing I was either bad, eventually recruited, or an indy with btsc for my first 10 or so games. I learned to play as a baddie and by the time I got to be town for any significant length of time it was too late for me to learn to be anything but evil. I think like a baddie even when I'm not one. It's helpful in some ways, less so in others. Perhaps that's why you think I write like one but I feel like if you were a bit more familiar with me you'd probably think differently.

I'm not 100% on who Spoons is. I think maybe Sloonei based on context? I'm back and forth on him, I've had some bad vibes and some good ones. Could easily re-read and get a more solid opinion.

Another bit of tone suspicion from Dizzy, and a response.
I feel like there are more posts saying "I could do this later" and "I'll state some suspicions later" than posts with that actual content in them.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:30 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:24 am
Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:04 am I have a few ideas but I’m literally just about to leave for work so don’t have time to go into anything.
Throw some names out as soon as you get the chance. I'm not anywhere close to being set in stone with my reads.

Keep going back and forth on Sloonei, even, and I don't know if it's the emotional/meta card or a genuine tone from him.
I've gone back to Day One and am having a look over the last couple of hours of that lynch to see if anything useful can come out of that ridiculous mess. I had intended to do this yesterday but was too tired. There's a couple of people I feel mildly good about but that could change in an instant, I definitely don't have anyone I strongly believe to be a civ. On the other end of that spectrum most of my thoughts are based on vibes, hence why I'm going back over a few things. I'm willing to share the following thoughts for now, with more detailed opinions coming soon (ish, I don't know how long it will take me to read everything I want to).

I still don't 100% buy Quin's explanation of his recruitment comments and some of his responses to suspicion weren't too convincing but I don't feel strongly enough about that to make it my hill to die on. If something else pops up I'd be willing to come back to him but I'm not going to relentlessly pursue anyone at this point.

I've been having bad vibes from Jack all game but it could just be a tone thing, sometimes his attitude comes off a bit shady.

A quiet DFaraday is never a good thing in my experience so I'd like to see more from him. He's quite good at scheming from the shadows as I remember.

Similarly I feel like we should have heard a lot more from Dom by now. I can't remember if he mentioned being busy or anything though. Not to say I think he's bad because of it, I don't, I just remember him usually being a lot more talkative and was surprised that it's not the case here.

REALLY not much here. Each suspicion is either a metaread on a low-poster or a read that he immediately pulls back and refutes or dismisses himself.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:39 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:35 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:34 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:32 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?
OH. Wow, Nova's ISO is pretty empty. It doesn't look to great. I'd rather lynch him than Eloh, who's actually been trying to contribute.
can you elaborate on what you mean by "doesn't look great"?
Like there's nothing there of substance. If he's town, he could be trying harder to help out.
Still reading through Day One, this post from Luna strikes me as odd. Feels like she's saying "If I contribute to the death of a civ with this vote, it's his fault for not trying hard enough". Not wanting to take ownership/be held responsible if she happens to be wrong.

Unsure how much this contributed tothe Luna case. Not a BAD look, per se. Potential bus.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:39 pm My internet keeps cutting out so I may end up giving up and going to bed shortly but I think I've gained as much from re-reading the previous lynch as I can. In conclusion, it was a clusterfrick.
Spoiler: show

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:46 pm
Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:39 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:35 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:34 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:32 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?
OH. Wow, Nova's ISO is pretty empty. It doesn't look to great. I'd rather lynch him than Eloh, who's actually been trying to contribute.
can you elaborate on what you mean by "doesn't look great"?
Like there's nothing there of substance. If he's town, he could be trying harder to help out.
Still reading through Day One, this post from Luna strikes me as odd. Feels like she's saying "If I contribute to the death of a civ with this vote, it's his fault for not trying hard enough". Not wanting to take ownership/be held responsible if she happens to be wrong.
By saying "If he's town, he could be trying harder to help out." I meant, "he's not trying, therefore he might be scum"

The implication I'm still picking up is "he's not trying, therefore he might be scum or he might not be and it's nobody's fault but his own if he gets lynched". Right now I'm not strongly opposed to either bandwagon really, Dys asked my opinion on Sloonei earlier and I didn't really have a solid one at the time so I'll go back and have a look over him like I said I would.
[/quote]

And then he shrugs and does some kind of weird waffle dance where he doesn't take it back but he's not pushing it and is okay with either lynch.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:54 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:48 pm Still down for a Nova wagon if there's enough people who would lynch him over Sloonei and/or Luna
Part of me wants to see where Sloonei vs Luna goes but if there's a better option then why not. What makes you want a Nova lynch?

Barf. j/k

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:03 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:56 pm I've been afraid to bring this into the fold because for those who are already on my case it's just an added layer of WIFOM and a chance to say "of course you'd update your strategy in this game", but here is my post history from Ancient Greece Mafia. The dynamic between Mac and I was very similar to how it is here, with the main difference being my alignment. Mac hounded me from Day 1 and was killed on Night 2. The differences are that I engaged more heavily with Mac while he was alive, and then after his death I acted like no player named Macdougall had ever existed. I wanted to get as far away from that heat as possible.

For those who will say I am making a conscious effort to play differently here than I did there: I did not remember what my methods were in that game off the top of my head. I had to go back and look just now to see how I behaved. My fingers were crossed that it would be different than what I've done here.

I offer this for the people who are still on the fence about me. I know all of this can't be taken definitively, but I at least want to provide a sample of my past behavior in a situation remarkably similar to the one we're currently in.

It's also my most recent and most significant scum performance on the Syndicate, if anyone's into cross-game comparisons. I can provide a recent town game as well for any of the folks who aren't already super familiar with my meta.
If you're bad, you're the king of WIFOM. Honestly I feel worse about Luna's posts where it looked like she was trying to avoid responsibility for her Nova vote so I will [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine at least for now. If she is lynched today and flips civ, I reserve the right to return to your vineyard.

The post where he picks a scum lynch over a non-scum lynch. Good to reference after the previous posts. It has "honestly" in there, though, so I'm sure he voted for the right reasons.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:25 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:09 pm It doesn't take much imagination for me to paint Bullz and Luna as scumbuddies right now
I forgive you.

This is not a new suspicion.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:21 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:43 am [/spoiler]
Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:03 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:56 pm I've been afraid to bring this into the fold because for those who are already on my case it's just an added layer of WIFOM and a chance to say "of course you'd update your strategy in this game", but here is my post history from Ancient Greece Mafia. The dynamic between Mac and I was very similar to how it is here, with the main difference being my alignment. Mac hounded me from Day 1 and was killed on Night 2. The differences are that I engaged more heavily with Mac while he was alive, and then after his death I acted like no player named Macdougall had ever existed. I wanted to get as far away from that heat as possible.

For those who will say I am making a conscious effort to play differently here than I did there: I did not remember what my methods were in that game off the top of my head. I had to go back and look just now to see how I behaved. My fingers were crossed that it would be different than what I've done here.

I offer this for the people who are still on the fence about me. I know all of this can't be taken definitively, but I at least want to provide a sample of my past behavior in a situation remarkably similar to the one we're currently in.

It's also my most recent and most significant scum performance on the Syndicate, if anyone's into cross-game comparisons. I can provide a recent town game as well for any of the folks who aren't already super familiar with my meta.
If you're bad, you're the king of WIFOM. Honestly I feel worse about Luna's posts where it looked like she was trying to avoid responsibility for her Nova vote so I will [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine at least for now. If she is lynched today and flips civ, I reserve the right to return to your vineyard.
[/spoiler]
What an odd ifthen statement. Guess now that Luna has flipped scum, no need to look at Sloonei anymore, right?
That's not what I said at all.

Not exactly. Besides, Sloonei was town. If this is anything bad, it's posturing, not narrative-twisting.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:07 am I'm going to throw my placeholder vote down on Sloonei because I'm still not convinced either way on him. A lot of his defence yesterday really boiled down to WIFOM. I'm going to make notes on my phone to check in tonight and tomorrow morning as well as maybe after the show, so if anything interesting happens I can change my mind. I mostly just want to not miss the vote at all.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Votes Sloonei next day anyway, doesn't have time to review everything because weekend.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:57 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:17 am If Marmot is town, Gemini Man is scum and almost certain Speedchuck.

If Marmot is scum and not Gemini Man, same conclusion.
Can Marmot not be town and Gemini Man?

The main thing I don't understand is why in my catch up people seem to be assuming Gemini Man is definitely a baddie with what appears to be no evidence other than his vote to tie the lynch. I'm not opposed to re-lynching Marmot, especially if I can be presented with a convincing answer to this question.

Soft defense of Marmot.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:17 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:05 pm
Bullzeye wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:57 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:17 am If Marmot is town, Gemini Man is scum and almost certain Speedchuck.

If Marmot is scum and not Gemini Man, same conclusion.
Can Marmot not be town and Gemini Man?

The main thing I don't understand is why in my catch up people seem to be assuming Gemini Man is definitely a baddie with what appears to be no evidence other than his vote to tie the lynch. I'm not opposed to re-lynching Marmot, especially if I can be presented with a convincing answer to this question.
If that’s the case, why didn’t he defend himself then or in the next day?

To what end does townie Marmot throw someone else under the bus only to let himself be mislynched the next day? (Same question if Marmot isn’t GM I suppose.)

Gemini Man (and Speedchuck and LC) caused us to waste a day lynching Simon when the consensus was that Marmot should be lynched. Simon was town. None of those players gave a good reason for lynching Simon over Marmot yet here we are. Ergo, Gemini Man looks shady af.
He seems to be claiming he was silenced and broke the rules of it by posting. Not sure if I buy it. As to why he hasn't defended himself since:

If I had the ability to apply an extra vote to someone, you can 100% guarantee I'd use it defensively regardless of my alignment. I guess that's why I can see a civ GM voting to tie up a lynch to protect himself. I'm mostly just playing devil's advocate with this though, my questioning here is more with regard to Gemini Man specifically.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:07 pm To me the smartest and most damning thing about Marmot is "Why bother tacking onto the Luna vote unless it's for cred"
Okay this is a solid point.

More soft defense of Marmot, but finding that reason so he can show us all why he voted (if he did/does vote for Marmot)

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:37 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:39 pm
Bullzeye wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:17 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:07 pm To me the smartest and most damning thing about Marmot is "Why bother tacking onto the Luna vote unless it's for cred"
Okay this is a solid point.
Can you pull where he said this? It's very important.
I suppose he never explicitly said as much, just said a few times that he wasn't supposed to post at all during day 4. If it were true he'd likely have been visibly punished, so...

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

NOW he votes for Marmot, once he's been engaged on proving his reasons.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:13 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:07 pm Bullzeye voted for Sloonei during the Simon vs Marmot tie. Feels like a move a teammate might make.
Sure does. A really good teammate would've also moved their vote to Simon when he was checking the thread from his phone and saw how the lynch was going

"I didn't vote Simon, and I totally would have if I was scum, yep."

-------

Overall, we have few firm stances from Bullzeye, and a lot of soft defenses of scum. He promises a lot of 'later' stuff and rarely delivers.
He's made a post about how he's 'always careful' but I know he's capable of being fiery, as his most recent couple of posts have demonstrated. It's like most of his focus in the thread is on 4 things:
1. Explaining the way he plays
2. Promising to do stuff later because he's busy
3. Providing devil's advocate defenses for scum, or weak accusations toward them. Giving them avenues to look good or escape suspicion.
4. Looking good on the scum lynches when they become inevitable, or when he's asked about a suspicion he agrees with. Bullzeye shows his train of thought more clearly when voting for scum than anywhere else in the thread.

I'd put him at 75% scum. It's not totally damning, especially without a meta to validate with other than what he's given us. But I'll leave my vote and see what others find.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:39 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:35 pm But sure, I can do case stuff
Please do. That way rather than just telling you you're wrong I can point to specific examples of wrongness.

Spicy

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:24 am
Spoiler: show

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:17 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:17 am
Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:15 am Very initial first impression of the thread: Jay feels off, don't know why though
Probably trying to avoid the obvious conclusion that he was recruited.
Why is it obvious Jay would be recruited? The sign-up thread mentions that the baddies recruit roles, not players.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:47 am How many bad robots do we think there are?
Somewhere between 1 and 24.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:50 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:17 pm It was a nice quiet Day 0. Nothing happened.
Jay said this, which can mean one of two things:
Something happened to him on Day 0
OR
Nothing happened to him on Day 0.
OR
Something happened to someone else on Day 0.

I wish something had happened to me on Day 0...

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:30 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:47 am How many bad robots do we think there are?
Good way of look at whether people read the rules or not.

This isn't a closed setup, dude. It's an open setup with most details hidden.
I was beginning to think I was the only person who had done this!

The above are some quotes and replies from a single Bullzeye post. I cut some irrelevant stuff out.

"I read the rules!"
"I dunno how many bad bots there are." (Maybe being cheeky, idk)
"Gee, pity I'm not mafia..."
"Guys I totally read the rules!"

I'm getting two pings from this post. Forced ignorance and a... I don't even know what to call that middle thing. Tonally fake role regret?

Bringing up this dinosaur of a post before we get into more recent BLZ-I stuff.

But sure, I can do case stuff

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:30 pm I'm very interested to hear more about how I'm suddenly such a baddie.

Boi it ain't that sudden. I've been hopping in an out of your wagon like it has a revolving door. Flip floppin on you like a waffle.

[VOTE: Bullzeye] aubergine

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:28 pm Okay I'm v ready to lynch bullzeye now

I'm down.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:44 pm My vote today will be between Long Con and Speedchuck.

I take it you think the Simon vote couldn't be coincidental? (aside from Marmot and Gemini man?)

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:47 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:45 pmwow

RIP Quin

RIP quin

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:48 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:23 am thats fine, we reconvene at top of the hour We'll do what we can

Im gonna tag everyone playing to see who shows up

@Quin
@DFaraday
@DrWilgy
@Long Con
@novaselinenever
@Kylemii
@Bullzeye
@Soneji
@K-Ness
@DharmaHelper
@Marmot
I'm here! Am I early?

I just beat Guts Man

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:53 pm Even if DH is bad, what makes you think he has teammates that are active?

That's what I said.

People have forgotten how to dialogue on this page

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:16 pm I mean you can't really justify it. I don't think a townie goes back to reread their old games instead of reading the one they just joined lol

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:43 pm I thought Alien looked town, and I think DH looks town for questioning the marmot lynch. DH didnt read any of the game. so all he was going off of was what he immediately could read. as well as anything people requested him to read

like what else is the guy gonna do. DH isnt exactly the kind of person to "go read the entire game to catch up" let alone even expect him to read anything early in general

Where are you looking next? Give me two suspects.

What even is this conversation?

It would actually make a lot of sense if either Dizzy or DH is an indie because they would be a replacement priority above the scum even

linki: he could have assimilated into the thread sooner. Gotten some adequate knowledge from scum, acted like he reviewed it himself.

*looks at Proto man's role*

Okay actually that wouldn't help

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