The Syndicate

Marmot.

The first day that we were looking at Marmot, I ended up voting Simon because his vote placement looked forced. It looked like Marmot would be lynched anyway, then GM and Marmot came out to tie it. The tie ended up going to Simon, for some reason. Long Con and Dizzy were on that train with me as well.

It was poor scumhunting that pushed me over onto that side. I found Marmot's attitude and defense on that particular day to be genuine. He completely dropped the facade the next day, presumably because the lynch sorta outed him.

DH/K-ness.

DH is probably scum, at this point. If he's not, this lynch doesn't make me look that bad.

Early on in the day, I was having fun. Being a little bit trolly. You or DH would say my vote is in the wrong place, and I, being amused by your objective statements, would then be like "oh okay better move it then lol."
The case on DH was there, but not super firm. Same for K-ness. When I found something solid about K-ness, I then firmly voted him. The little song rip-off I did while doing that probably didn't help the optics, but at the time, I didn't really care. I was hoping that K-ness would flip scum, so I could avoid this whole thing.

Next post will contain a bit of defense.

Luna first.

I don't recall opposing the Luna lynch. I even offered supporting evidence for it. Just didn't vote there at the time. Wasn't super invested at the time, and as the lynch was going swimmingly, I let you unbiased gentlemen push it on past.

Here's a standout post:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:31 pm IF Luna is scum, she's using a technique I use when I'm scum. You'll often find me taking the townie with the most suspicion on them and defending them to the death. If that's what Luna is doing to me, that could be a bad sign.

As an addendum, I probably read Luna worse than everyone else on this site BECAUSE I know her in person. Look at my track record. It's disgusting.

Lunalee Why are you so certain about me being not-scum?

Might not look all that great regardless, but I'll own that. I'm biased when it comes to reading Luna.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:44 am I’d like to see a reaction to my case that isn’t just Speedchuck nibbling around the edges of it.

I can give you a thorough explanation instead if you'd like. But at this point you're in my tunnel, and I don't think anything I say will kick you out.

I had way too much fun on day 7 apparently.

How are you, TH? What's kickin' around in your head?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:41 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:37 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:29 pm Voting Speed before DH. Show you why in a min.

Your case actually doesn't lead to this. I read it.

Meow.

Ewww.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:29 pm Voting Speed before DH. Show you why in a min.

Your case actually doesn't lead to this. I read it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:36 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:32 pm It's a shame you haven't found my numerous rolehints persuasive. Because I sure as heck don't have a scumhunting record to convince you otherwise, Jack.

Rolehinting is against the spirit of the rules and even so, there are no confirmed townie roles left and I think at least one of the neutrals is dead, after which you theorized DH was a neutral after the fact. So if you've hinted you're a specific bot, I don't really care cause you could be scum anyway even if I find it and believe you.

I don't even know what this is.

"Sure you may have rolehinted, but shame on you and I'm not looking at it. Also I'm sure your rolehinting would be useless because of the game setup, never mind that you're calling to it. Because of other assumptions, I'm gonna assume you're just an idiot who thinks hinting at being ice man or some crap will save you. So there."

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:24 pm In conclusion, Speedchuck voted for Kness because he wanted to, not because he thought there was a good case for Kness being scum, he choose to not vote for DH despite seeing the evidence against him and later pretended the case didn't exist, attempted to buddy me (instead of seeing me as a teammate to be trusted) and tried continually to lead the lynch into Kness, a tie (where GM could cause a town lynch) or basically anywhere that wasn't DH.

So...

If DH is town, am I less suspicious to you?

(Also gee whiz I didn't realize inconsistency was supposedly a scumtell for me when did that happen?)

Eh, fine.

I was gonna say something, but if it's against the spirit of the rules, I'll just shut up and let you have a ball.

It's a shame you haven't found my numerous rolehints persuasive. Because I sure as heck don't have a scumhunting record to convince you otherwise, Jack.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:29 pm Voting Speed before DH. Show you why in a min.

It's been an hour.

Welp. Tomorrow is going to be interesting.

And by that I mean I'm prolly gonna get lynched by a raging Jack. Sorry K-ness.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:48 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:45 pm I'm willing to accept TH as locktown

Good. Because of the slip, specifically?

Mostly.

He was already close to locktown before, because of his behavior toward the marmot lynch and such.

I'm willing to accept TH as locktown

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:31 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:25 pmFar as I can tell, the case on K-ness is TMI in his votes and reads coupled with his constant excuses about being bad at doing stuff on this site. That on top of the vibes and stuff from early days (pretty much everyone GTH'd him as scum when we played that game on D5, including JoH).
In defense, JoH says the kill choices are not what he'd expect. I already responded to this.

The case on DH is unclear to me. Unhelpful to town, a downer, hypocritical maybe in places? It's not a horrible case, but I have a better handle on the K-ness one.

linki: yas silencing is annoying

Yeah, I can see all those points. Jack's insisting on the kill thing is still a bit strange to me. It's like, is it really that important, there's just no way of knowing how the fuck scum decides on the kills. Plus, I think Turnip mentioned, and this was the case in another game I played here, that Luna and Marmot could still be in the scum chat helping with decisions (?) The thing not consistent with K-ness TMI-ing is his vote on Bullz. If he flips scum, I think either Jack or Dharma has to be scum, because his vote wouldn't make much sense otherwise imo.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:06 pm The Rules

1. No BTSC (Behind the Scenes Contact/Conversation) with anyone other than your specified BTSC partners. The dead lose BTSC privileges.
2. No editing or deleting of posts.
3. No role outing of yourself or anyone else.
4. No double-targeting (targeting the same individual with a power twice in a row) or self-targeting.
5. Be respectful and remember that this is a game.
6. Dead players should not post on-topic and should post in dead red. There is a "dead" button for this function.
7. Off-topic posts should be in off-topic green. There is an "OT" button for this function.
8. Posts from non-players should be in non-player blue. There is a "np" button for this function.
9. dunya is the Mod on Duty. Please PM her with any concerns or frustrations you experience.
10. Votes are changeable.
11. Day periods last 48 hours. Night periods last 23 hours.
12. Lynched individuals will have their roles revealed, while Night killed individuals will not.
13. All questions should be directed to me privately.
14. Use Hard Knuckle to defeat the Yellow Devil in Mega Man 3.

Rule #1 though.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:19 pm How likely do you think it is that I'm scum at this point? What does your feels tell you and stuff? Possible but not likely. Will give you a harder look when/if K-ness flips bad.

I really don't know between Dharma and K-ness, who could be scum, if any of them are. I do agree with the post Turnip got, that it doesn't look good on K-ness. I also think K-ness put in a weird more sure gear last day-phase, and I'm still not sure why they voted Bullz over Dharma. I actually had the thought then that they could be teamed. Call me crazy, but that is still not impossible to me. Thinking about it, I don't know what K-ness would gain from making sure he did vote a leading wagon on someone who was not going to flip mafia if he was scum himself. The deciding factor of me voting Dharma is that I'm going to have a very big sad and not look forward to the next day if K-ness flips town. Meanwhile, I've actually had Turnip and Kyle on my mind lately. And I wonder how many of us are just town being all rah rah because that's mafia. If you want to convince me that I should vote K-ness I will listen.

Far as I can tell, the case on K-ness is TMI in his votes and reads coupled with his constant excuses about being bad at doing stuff on this site. That on top of the vibes and stuff from early days (pretty much everyone GTH'd him as scum when we played that game on D5, including JoH).
In defense, JoH says the kill choices are not what he'd expect. I already responded to this.

The case on DH is unclear to me. Unhelpful to town, a downer, hypocritical maybe in places? It's not a horrible case, but I have a better handle on the K-ness one.

linki: yas silencing is annoying

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:00 pm Yo you're making me uncomfortable with all these GM talk. Feels like you know something I don't

Gemini Man (voted on days 4 and 5)

Jack let me help you out.

You townread K-Ness because of kill choices. You say he wouldn't make these choices himself, and there are no actives that he's compatible with.

HOWEVER

Luna and Marmot were very active for the first part of the game. You know, the part that killed JJJ, Mac, Sloonei, etc. If K-ness was on a team with them, on a strange site, don't you think he'd let them take point?

He's only had the past one or two nights to himself, IF he is with two inactives. Not inconceivable. Also TH has tied him to Dizzy, and that's worth a look.

AT LEAST CONSIDER IT PLS

Sorry, if he breaks the tie at all. Forgot you didn't specify, which makes even less sense.

You're better than this, dude.

Why don't you move to K-ness, [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]? That would get rid of the tie, right?

Oh, so it's your fault there's a tie. Now I get it.

If GM breaks the tie in favor of lynching DH and he's town I'll have to deathtunnel you so hard. /s

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:48 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:08 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:42 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:05 am ROUND 4

ALIEN/DHARMAHELPER
LONG CON

Scum.
Scum.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:06 am ROUND 5

KNESS
KYLEMII

Scum.
Town.

It is totally weird how hard you're being about this right now. I think you're town because of meta, but dang at least consider the possibility that you're in some kind of tunnel?

If GM shows up and forces us to lynch a townie, I will deathtunnel you so hard...

I don't think you understand how voting works.

My availability is about to plummet.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:42 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:05 am ROUND 4

ALIEN/DHARMAHELPER
LONG CON

Scum.
Scum.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:06 am ROUND 5

KNESS
KYLEMII

Scum.
Town.

It is totally weird how hard you're being about this right now. I think you're town because of meta, but dang at least consider the possibility that you're in some kind of tunnel?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:48 pm I’m saying by keeping the votes tied on two players you supposedly suspect, if GM is scum and has a vote and exactly one of Kness and DH is mafia, you are ensuring a townie lynch today.

Ah, okay.

I buy TH's recent case on K-ness. I'd prefer to lynch K-ness. My vote reflects that now.

Earlier I said I tied it because I wasn't certain. I don't feel that way anymore.

linki: I told you to do this earlier in the day you ninny. So I would have time to deal with it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:37 pm If GM pushes a townie into lynch, it is SC’s failtz

If GM votes for DH, my personal change won't matter. In fact, it'll be more your fault.
If he votes for K-ness, that's the person I'm currently voting to lynch. So... Convincing me to change my vote by saying K-ness might get lynched is kinda silly. Unless you straight up know that he's town.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:16 pm Luna/Marmot/KNess/Dyslexicon/TBD

And you're getting this because Dizzy's move from K-ness to DH didn't look genuine?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:59 pm You're seeing things

You can't see magnets, TH

I trust you to be what I cannot be, Jack

DHxTH

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:43 pm I'm voting why. Truer words have never been said.

This hurts me more than it hurts you.

I don't feel comfortable with DH or K-Ness being in the lead yet.

And I don't want DH to leave until I am.

Therefore tie meta.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:40 pm Luna/Marmot/K-Ness/Dyslexicon/VIP

Very inactive person?

I don't think the roles were revealed at the beginning. Meaning Wily might have grabbed Cut Man without knowing what the ability actually was.

But Wily might privately have known, because otherwise what's the point of the recruitment?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:01 pm Omg Speedchuck has been role hinting when we thought he was talking about playing Megaman!

No, I actually played the game. Beat the yellow devil without any glitches, too. But that was marked OT.

Does anyone want to lynch Wilgy?

TFW you fart all over the thread for a week and peeps like "I don't smell anything."

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:29 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:21 pm Jackofhearts2005 If you had to place me in a role, where would you put me?

Haven’t really given it much thought tbh. Same for all players, really.

Maybe you should give some thought to t

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] If you had to place me in a role, where would you put me?

I'm cool with lynching either K-ness or DH. I don't know which is scum. My scumhunting has been pretty piss-poor this game, so right now I'm having fun.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:50 pm Since I’m too lazy to look for it right now, does anyone @Long Con @Turnip Head @Kylemii have a good reason to think Speed is not teamed with DH or that Speed is town at all?

As a reminder, Speed basically threw up his hands and said he couldn’t read Luna and voted Simon over Marmot despite not really having a strong opinion on Simon.

Speedchuck is the weight upon my pendulum, swinging freely to' and fro'

Call me a dick one more time I dare you

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:58 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:50 pm Since I’m too lazy to look for it right now, does anyone @Long Con @Turnip Head @Kylemii have a good reason to think Speed is not teamed with DH or that Speed is town at all?

As a reminder, Speed basically threw up his hands and said he couldn’t read Luna and voted Simon over Marmot despite not really having a strong opinion on Simon.

Now we're talking. Get it out of your system.

Not til I see something from you that solidified my read or proves me wrong. That’s how this works.

I'll give you something when the time is right.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:55 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:53 pm But the tie meta

You guys are stressing me out.

Take a long deep breath and vote for Knees then, no stress no mess.

You sound like an infomercial. Like my DH vote is in black and white, then BOOM COLOR KNESS VOTE (this is not an actual vote)

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:53 pm But the tie meta

You guys are stressing me out.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:51 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:50 pm Where should my vote be?

On DH.

Oh. Oh you're right.

[VOTE: DH] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:50 pm Since I’m too lazy to look for it right now, does anyone @Long Con @Turnip Head @Kylemii have a good reason to think Speed is not teamed with DH or that Speed is town at all?

As a reminder, Speed basically threw up his hands and said he couldn’t read Luna and voted Simon over Marmot despite not really having a strong opinion on Simon.

Now we're talking. Get it out of your system.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:43 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:39 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:35 pm [VOTE: KNess] aubergine

They've got all the right friends in all the wrong places
So yeah, they're going down
They've got all the right reads in all the right faces
So yeah, they're going down

[VOTE: K-ness] aubergine

If Kness is lynched and flips town, it’ll be bad for you, Chuckles.

Like a rubber band is attached to it, you just can’t seem to put your vote where it should be for very long.

Where should my vote be?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:41 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:30 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:27 pm Is there a pattern for when roles are appearing on the front page?

It's not even aligned with the lynches. Charge man has had his role revealed on lynch, but not in the OP. (could be a host overlook)

What if roles appear once they've been fully used?

I have reason to believe this is not the case.

Okay thanks.

linki: if you're going to suspect me, get it over with Jack. That goes for TH and DH and all you other clods.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:35 pm [VOTE: KNess] aubergine

They've got all the right friends in all the wrong places
So yeah, they're going down
They've got all the right reads in all the right faces
So yeah, they're going down

[VOTE: K-ness] aubergine