The Syndicate

I'm kinda lost and I figure my claim to having voted for scum is weaker than everyone else's. Unfortunately. I'm gonna try my best, but if this goes down in a speed lynch, it's better now than in mylo.

And at least I can tunnel Nanook 'till death.

I mean IDK everyone has voted against scum at one point or another. I just think Juliets/Jack look better in yesterday's thing than the others

Nanook and Tony for last scum, yeah?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 7:11 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:08 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:00 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:57 pm @speedchuck let’s say you magically got to decide the lynch order but you had to do it right now.

Go.

Juliets, Nanook, Tony.

Sell me on scum Juliets.

On second thought I might switch some of these three around... ?

It's more that I'm more sold on everyone else, and don't agree with your POE change. Juliets lacks any votes, mechanics, allegiances or anti-alignments that separate her as town. All she has is a. her claim (do scum have fakeclaims, idk) and b. the fact that she's felt pretty towny all game. She's been in that second-to-lynch position, but keeps scraping by.

Everyone else in the game has more than she does separating them from the scumteam.

speed, Jack and I shared a vote yesterday and that vote went to MP7 who was mafia. If I had not wanted our vote to go there I would have told him that before I went to bed. So it's incorrect to say I lack votes. I'm not sure what you mean by anti-alignments. And what do you mean by allegiances? I think it's pretty sad that I have been "pretty towny all game" yet I'm at the top of your POE list (and Tony's evidently).

Oh, were you teamed with Jack.

Well then.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine This will be fun.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:21 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:47 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:46 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:44 pm Actually, Nanook, would you go for MR for self-preservation purposes?

Obviously I’ll go anyone for self prez if it comes to it lol

Okay, cool. I'll settle for MR then.
[VOTE: Master Radish] aubergine

DDL, welcome to my towncore. You're taking MR's spot.

Here’s where Hyena turns on Radishes. And I do mean turns. All mentions of Radishes (I didn’t search for “MR” fyi) prior to this are positive.

Need to see what the vote count is at this point and what was happening around this time. Why did Hyena suddenly suggest preserving onto MR?

I know DDL and I had voted Radishes at this point. Unsure if this put him in the lead, but with Nanook added as well, it probably did.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:12 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:00 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:57 pm @speedchuck let’s say you magically got to decide the lynch order but you had to do it right now.

Go.

Juliets, Nanook, Tony.

This is an insane order

Realistically maybe it can be speed, nanook, Juliets? Would that do better for you?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:11 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:51 pm Claims? Checking to see if Jack was roleblocked? More information is never bad.

Stifling discussion is almost always bad.

I’d disagree, but then you’d SR me again for playing differently than you.

It's too late, buddy.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:08 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:00 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:57 pm @speedchuck let’s say you magically got to decide the lynch order but you had to do it right now.

Go.

Juliets, Nanook, Tony.

Sell me on scum Juliets.

On second thought I might switch some of these three around... ?

It's more that I'm more sold on everyone else, and don't agree with your POE change. Juliets lacks any votes, mechanics, allegiances or anti-alignments that separate her as town. All she has is a. her claim (do scum have fakeclaims, idk) and b. the fact that she's felt pretty towny all game. She's been in that second-to-lynch position, but keeps scraping by.

Everyone else in the game has more than she does separating them from the scumteam.

For the record that didn't take me 3 minutes. I had another tab open.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:57 pm @speedchuck let’s say you magically got to decide the lynch order but you had to do it right now.

Go.

Juliets, Nanook, Tony.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:48 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:46 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:46 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:14 pm Nanook, your push on Poison D1 reminds me of the votes you made on our partners abraker and Juri in Champs where you made them early enough in the day that they'd likely get deflated by the time EoD rolled around.

(for reference: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost3283034 )

I also just murderered the fuck out of that slot yesterday, so. I guess that’s not convenient for you tho.

Ooh, is this a suspicion of Hyena?

It’s a comment on his tunnel, not his alignment. Hyena remains second tier of interest for me.

Every 'scumread' in this game has inconveniences. Because whoever the last scum is has played well.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:50 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:42 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:30 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:02 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:58 pm It’d be hilarious if I voted Juliets but I kinda think it’s Nanook and MP.

Or Juliets and Nanook or MP.

Jack Speak to this 'Nanook and MP' thing. I've not seen any indication in your posts as to why nanook would be here.

Ignore that nanook participated in the MP lynch for a moment. What did you mean here?

Idk. There’s been some gut feelings all around that Nanook could be bad. Nanook was outside of MP’s POE. Iirc, Nanook had MP gth town. Nanook has been defending Juliets and going after you. He’s also very eager to get cred for MP’s lynch. He called attention to his earlier suggestion to lynch absent players and said something like “in before Jack says I didn’t cause MP to be lynched.”

That all said, he’s felt really town today. DDL really trusts him and I really trust DDL.

I'm surprised you said he felt town today. All he's done is piss on questions people are asking, saying it's unproductive.

And yeah, DDL has chat info about the way nanook turned on MP at the end. That would have to be a bus.

I'm just trying to get some idea of where you guys are going to go once you lynch me and Juliets, assuming she doesn't end it.

Were the questions productive? If they were, defend them as such. If they weren’t, I have the right to piss on them.

Claims? Checking to see if Jack was roleblocked? More information is never bad.

Stifling discussion is almost always bad.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:46 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:14 pm Nanook, your push on Poison D1 reminds me of the votes you made on our partners abraker and Juri in Champs where you made them early enough in the day that they'd likely get deflated by the time EoD rolled around.

(for reference: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost3283034 )

I also just murderered the fuck out of that slot yesterday, so. I guess that’s not convenient for you tho.

Ooh, is this a suspicion of Hyena?

I don't even know how GTH is going to work right now.

Because SOMEONE is hard-bussing in this game, somewhere.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:30 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:02 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:58 pm It’d be hilarious if I voted Juliets but I kinda think it’s Nanook and MP.

Or Juliets and Nanook or MP.

Jack Speak to this 'Nanook and MP' thing. I've not seen any indication in your posts as to why nanook would be here.

Ignore that nanook participated in the MP lynch for a moment. What did you mean here?

Idk. There’s been some gut feelings all around that Nanook could be bad. Nanook was outside of MP’s POE. Iirc, Nanook had MP gth town. Nanook has been defending Juliets and going after you. He’s also very eager to get cred for MP’s lynch. He called attention to his earlier suggestion to lynch absent players and said something like “in before Jack says I didn’t cause MP to be lynched.”

That all said, he’s felt really town today. DDL really trusts him and I really trust DDL.

I'm surprised you said he felt town today. All he's done is piss on questions people are asking, saying it's unproductive.

And yeah, DDL has chat info about the way nanook turned on MP at the end. That would have to be a bus.

I'm just trying to get some idea of where you guys are going to go once you lynch me and Juliets, assuming she doesn't end it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:58 pm It’d be hilarious if I voted Juliets but I kinda think it’s Nanook and MP.

Or Juliets and Nanook or MP.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] Speak to this 'Nanook and MP' thing. I've not seen any indication in your posts as to why nanook would be here.

Ignore that nanook participated in the MP lynch for a moment. What did you mean here?

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:56 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:54 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:50 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:46 pm Hi Hyena! I'm interested in what you are thinking today.

I'm frustrated. People agree that we're in a confusing game state and that everybody looks town. I have a way to mechanically hard clear not one, but TWO people right now (Jack and Tony), yet no one wants to go that route. If no one wants to go that route, then why aren't you guys just clearing them as lock town then?

One of them is basically lock town, and that's Jack. If we want to confirm tony, we'll just lynch him. Same cost, but we won't waste a day lynching you that way.

I don't think anyone seriously suspects Jack. If we should, I'm all ears.

Why didn't Jack die last night? If he survives another night, are we going to continue to let him live?

I don't know. Wilgy dying makes no sense even without Jack here.

And probably? He literally just killed MP for no reason, in addition to his claim.

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:50 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:46 pm Hi Hyena! I'm interested in what you are thinking today.

I'm frustrated. People agree that we're in a confusing game state and that everybody looks town. I have a way to mechanically hard clear not one, but TWO people right now (Jack and Tony), yet no one wants to go that route. If no one wants to go that route, then why aren't you guys just clearing them as lock town then?

One of them is basically lock town, and that's Jack. If we want to confirm tony, we'll just lynch him. Same cost, but we won't waste a day lynching you that way.

I don't think anyone seriously suspects Jack. If we should, I'm all ears.

Also we are at a more confusing state in this game than we have been for two days and the thread just died.

Why?

If it's because everyone has a narrow POE or just figures they somehow know who the god-tier last scum is then please say so.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:31 am Locktown: DDL (Wilgy was here btw)
Probably just lose if they're scum: Tony, Nanook
Geez, I don't think these players are scum: Hyena, Speed
Boy howdy, I have more reasons to think she's town than not: Juliets

So literally nobody who isn't green. I'm just gonna finish my MP iso and then idk iso the bottom three looking for something awful sounding I missed live.

Linki: No. We're lynching the most suspicious player. We're not giving up a lynch to remechanically confirm me.

Why was wilgy lock town?

And now that I know he's a real person, I feel worse about all the redneck southern conspiracy theory jazz. As far as I know, he din't do that stuff.

I'm Joe Diffie, may he rest in peace.

If I get nightkilled by the mafia I get to post as a stump for the next day, but only in country music lyrics.

Hopefully there's only one mafia left, which kinda makes your ability useless Jules. :P

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:14 am Ok so as I said before I am Von Miller, 8x Pro-Bowler outside linebacker for the Denver Broncos. I have Covid or had (Von gets tested again today I believe to see if he's still got it). My ability is if I vote first for someone in a lynch, and that person gets lynched and is mafia, I get an extra vote the next day. The joke on me is I almost never vote first for someone though I did manage to do it for sig who I thought was mafia.

I implore you do not waste a precious lynch on me today. Let the mafia use one of their precious night kills on me if they are afraid of this ability.

I wondered why you were at the forefront of that wagon. Checks out.

I clicked show results in the poll and not cannot vote. [mention]Epignosis[/mention]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:53 am A question for everyone: Given Poisonchan was entirely absent D1, how does that change your perception of Radishes' pushes on Tony all game?

I tend to think they make Tony look better.

I took a look at MR's ISO, searched for Tony in there.

Eh.

Doesn't change my perspective much. The push was never built on anything besides page one and page two nothing-posts, and several of the posts in MR's ISO are him waffling back and forth and asking others for why they townread Tony.

Not that Tony is likely scum after yesterday.

Anyone around?

Trust fall

speedchuck - me! I could give reasons but I doubt people would care. Mostly just WIFOM anyway if I do it.

Dragon D. Luffy - Started an MR wagon D1, lynched MP with nanook.
Hyena - Went hard for an MR lynch on D1. Towny-looking ever since.
Jackofhearts2005 - mechanically town by role, almost certainly.
juliets - MP didn't fight this POE.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Coordinated with DDL to lynch MP for no reason.
TonyStarkPrime - MP didn't fight this lynch. Coordinated to lynch MP, even if it was self-pres.

Actually no nanook is lock town.

Man you guys are boned after you lynch me.

If scum isn't in Juliets/Tony, I'm pretty sure everyone knows where I think it'll be.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 7:20 am At the very least, we're at the point where it's reasonable to have full claims from Juliets and Speed.

I have no problem doing this.

Welp. Was not expecting that.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:50 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:53 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:19 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:53 am

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:49 am @speedchuck I don't think I understand your post but I'm having trouble articulating why. I'll keep trying.

TL;DR

Jack wants to clear the entire old POE (Tony, Juliets, Wilgy) because MP was comfortable with it as is.
I counter that MP didn't have the time or opportunity to change that POE in the first place, but possibly indicated that he wanted to.

linki: Jack answered too.

And I'd like to add that just because MP agreed with a POE doesn't mean it doesn't include his teammates.

POEs change. And if I am mafia I ideally want to be my teammates' second favorite option, forever.

Juliets has occupied this role this game.

What? I've occupied what role?

The consistent 'second favorite option.'

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:12 pm Like, who else, aside from Tony and Jack, has an active ability that they can use during the night?

I don't.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:12 pm I could potentially confirm whether or not Tony is town by you guys lynching me and making sure that Tony is on my wagon. If he's mafia, he won't be able to do another gimmick that night because he'd be roleblocked. That would require lynching me though. :P

Why wouldn't we just lynch tony in that case?

Wilgy's dayend vote and Tony's infodump on him don't look so good.

It'd be crazy if we spent N1 and half of D2 yelling at each other while the scum slots were inactive.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:15 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:19 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:53 am

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:49 am @speedchuck I don't think I understand your post but I'm having trouble articulating why. I'll keep trying.

TL;DR

Jack wants to clear the entire old POE (Tony, Juliets, Wilgy) because MP was comfortable with it as is.
I counter that MP didn't have the time or opportunity to change that POE in the first place, but possibly indicated that he wanted to.

linki: Jack answered too.

And I'd like to add that just because MP agreed with a POE doesn't mean it doesn't include his teammates.

POEs change. And if I am mafia I ideally want to be my teammates' second favorite option, forever.

At the very least, I think it clears Tony.

It's at least an extremely good look for Tony.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:49 am @speedchuck I don't think I understand your post but I'm having trouble articulating why. I'll keep trying.

TL;DR

Jack wants to clear the entire old POE (Tony, Juliets, Wilgy) because MP was comfortable with it as is.
I counter that MP didn't have the time or opportunity to change that POE in the first place, but possibly indicated that he wanted to.

linki: Jack answered too.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:41 pm I’ll never live it down if I cfd onto town MP twice in one game.

Hey if MP is a wolf, why is he okay with a 3 player POE of Juliets, Tony, Wilgy when we have 4 lynches and he’s done nothing to make us trust him?

Because he’s not a wolf.

Or because the other wolf isn’t in Tony/Juliets/Wilgy.

So what if this is wrong?

I know it seems like 'well of course speed is going to argue with this' but please hear me out. Nobody will go back and read this after I flip or after hyena flips, so hear me out now.

MP replaced in as scum and had 2 days, most of which he was busy, before he died. MP was town before. He sorta wins the game either way, as his old role or his new one. The role he was pushed into here was almost a 'warm body' role, a slot that needed to be filled but would never ever get out of the POE anyway.
He looks around.
Let's say the POE has scum cornered in the final four. MP doesn't appear to be on the chopping block, and momentum is turning on Tony. What does MP do here?
Does he immediately start trying to widen the POE, when he's not even in much danger of being lynched? How would that look? He can't be overt about it. He has to be subtle, build it up over time.
Maybe by shading DDL, which he did early in the day. Maybe by quizzing chuck over suggestive wording that might implicate speed or nanook, which he did again early in the day. No worries, he has time.

Until the hot potato happens.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:47 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:41 pm I’ll never live it down if I cfd onto town MP twice in one game.

Hey if MP is a wolf, why is he okay with a 3 player POE of Juliets, Tony, Wilgy when we have 4 lynches and he’s done nothing to make us trust him?

Because he’s not a wolf.

Or because the other wolf isn’t in Tony/Juliets/Wilgy.

I'm not really okay with it per se, I'm just not quite at anywhere else.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:51 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:42 pm It just dawned to me that lynching someone in the 3-man group is considerably harder since they get to cockblock 2 other people from voting.

That includes MP, speed and hyena.

All the more reason to give me until at least tomorrow to solve the shit out of this game.

If you don't want to trust me because I'm the one saying it, that's fine. If you want to lynch me tomorrow to test whether I have a motive behind this post, that's fine as well. But don't throw 2 days and 2 lynches down the drain entirely just because MP didn't act to change the momentum of the entire thread in a single day's time.

Important post incoming.

I really just don't think it's hyena, guys. I just don't.

I understand why I'm in Jack's POE and it sucks, though I can't do anything about that. But if I get lynched, as is probable, and then hyena gets lynched, there will only be one day left to find the actual person. F3. I'd rather it not reach that point because Jack will probably die and leave it with 3 of Wilgy, Juliets, Tony, and Nanook.

How TF is town going to solve that?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:51 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:36 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:20 am I am going to push back against your reasoning without pushing back against your conclusion.

MP was always going to be in the POE unless he pulled himself out of it. He was very bussable. He was also very bussable D2 when it didn't look like there was a likely Sloonei replacement.

Nah, F that.

Look at it this way, we had a POE of 4, right?

WRONG

We had a POE of three unless one of those three happened to be a scumlynch. Numbers are important. I don't believe for a second, with this ever-narrowing POE, that scum took initiative in pre-emptively bussing one of their remaining members. Not when the game could be won a day earlier with MP in the slot.

This doesn’t work they way I think you’re saying, so I might misunderstand you.

If it’s MP/Juliets, he’s comfortable with a 4 person POE with Juliets but not a 4 person POE with him AND Juliets.

I mean, yeah, there's that.

Maybe I just want to be able to assume no bussing this time. Just this once.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:20 am I am going to push back against your reasoning without pushing back against your conclusion.

MP was always going to be in the POE unless he pulled himself out of it. He was very bussable. He was also very bussable D2 when it didn't look like there was a likely Sloonei replacement.

Nah, F that.

Look at it this way, we had a POE of 4, right?

WRONG

We had a POE of three unless one of those three happened to be a scumlynch. Numbers are important. I don't believe for a second, with this ever-narrowing POE, that scum took initiative in pre-emptively bussing one of their remaining members. Not when the game could be won a day earlier with MP in the slot.

Actually it looks like the scum are in fact flavorfully bad.

Trump is technically anti-virus, whatever your opinion of how effective he is. Same for Boris Johnson. People who lick stuff are bad.

Alright boys, let's look at those poisons chan interactions.

...

Sloonei interactions.

...

MP interactions?

Seeing a hot potato kill MP after it was on Tony makes me reconsider

hot potatoes don't usually go from scum to scum

Maybe I'm just biased.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:18 pm I didn’t get a poll in for obvious reasons. We’ll have a gimmick less day.

ohno

just tell them to recycle the first one

NGL I was mad at first, because MP kept up the ruse in our chat just past the deadline