The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:19 pm In fact I prefer to disallow silencers from targeting any player twice period.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:03 pm ~ From Days 2 through 5, the game slowed significantly. Indeed, nearly half of the posts in this game thread occurred on Day 1 -- let that sink in. It is of course understandable that some folks had things going on in real life and that's perfectly fine. The entire civilian faction just shut down though, and it allowed speedchuck and later Jack to simply take over the game. They became essentially unlynchable because they were the most influential voices in the thread. Even if they were suspected they weren't getting lynched, and I think they were both pretty comfortable. A comfortable mafia team is rarely going to lose.

I think this is really what kept me in the game. I made a lot of stupid moves this game, moves that should have been called out. But I was so confident and comfortable in my D1 lynch of Wilgy and my no-lynch decision, so ready to ignore them myself, that it put a damper on calling me out.

My confidence and willingness to stick to my guns gave me an edge, I think. First time I've tried that as scum. Don't know if it will work again.

Oh, and good job avoiding a lynch for a day, MP, so I could look good bussing you and waste a town day on Wilgy.

For the record, didn't have a legit reason to lynch Wilgy.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:28 pm Fun game, Captain. Laughed every time Jimmy posted.

Fist bump to Speed. Couldn't have won without ya.

Right back atcha!

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:43 pm Why did you guys kill me?

You were too good tho

DDL, I like the new avatar

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:43 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:39 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:34 pm Even though I'm pretty sure I singlehandedly lost the game for everyone by being really bad at everything I enjoyed this game a lot and it was a pretty good reintroduction back into games.
You did good. Had a correct read on me for most of the game. I'll look forward to playing with you again.
Same here.

Hey Speedchuck, did you talk me into the no lynch knowing it would be the most advantageous for you?

It would have been more advantageous to let you die. I was acting townie, genuinely trying to keep you a live, and did a legit mind fart on the lynch.

My "Oh, I'm stupid" moment was real.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:34 pm Even though I'm pretty sure I singlehandedly lost the game for everyone by being really bad at everything I enjoyed this game a lot and it was a pretty good reintroduction back into games.

You did good. Had a correct read on me for most of the game. I'll look forward to playing with you again.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:22 pm Mafia is Speedchuck and Jack

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:02 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:07 pm Kylemii - I'm not going to lay any blame here for being tricked into mathematical no-lynch. I was confused, stupid, inconsistent. I do recommend reading the context, though.
Kyle has been consistently earnest and also nearly consistently inconsistent on the wrong side of things. For example, this no-lynch. After the fact, he says that DDL and me are his biggest suspects. That makes zero sense with his actions. I suggested we change the lynch, but not go to DDL. Someone who suspected me would have ignored my suggestions and seen it as stronger evidence that I was 'saving' DDL (Though I could have just left things on Kyle). You don't follow the suggestion of one of your suspects to change your plans and also save your other suspect.
So like I said. Earnest, but making some very confusing choices that are contradictory and scum beneficial.
Got that one MP vote going for him too.
But that's wrong. I suspected you or DDL, not you and DDL.

Ah, that makes . . . slightly more sense.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:06 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:53 pm @Dragon D. Luffy okay I meant to elaborate on that before pressing send

My question is why adopt such a lax attitude
What lax attitude?

I picked a criterium for lynching and i'm using it.

I think that no lynch was the most anti-town event to happen in the entire game so I'm betting there is a baddie among those who did it.

And bob hasn't done much all game so I'm fine with this lynch.

Are you 'fine' with staking the entire game on it? If bob is town, it's game over.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:34 pm @speedchuck

I see you. Tell me why you shouldn't be lynched/who is scum.

I'll give you my gut reads before any back-research, having just read the past couple of pages and been skimming while sick.

speedchuck - the best guy

Dragon D. Luffy - DDL feels too comfortable to be scum. Strong gutread.
Buuuuutt.... This past day's content has not looked that great on him. DDL was a strong town presence, and I don't like how easily he passed the baton to jack. That says more about DDL being willing to let others self-destruct than it says about Jack. He's turned defensive and passive.
Jackofhearts2005 - Good content and pushing since D5 started, especially for no lynch. Feel like scum would be happy to let the game sit/go for mislynch for insta win. Could just be super high effort, but feels pretty genuine.
But inactive slot.
Kylemii - I'm not going to lay any blame here for being tricked into mathematical no-lynch. I was confused, stupid, inconsistent. I do recommend reading the context, though.
Kyle has been consistently earnest and also nearly consistently inconsistent on the wrong side of things. For example, this no-lynch. After the fact, he says that DDL and me are his biggest suspects. That makes zero sense with his actions. I suggested we change the lynch, but not go to DDL. Someone who suspected me would have ignored my suggestions and seen it as stronger evidence that I was 'saving' DDL (Though I could have just left things on Kyle). You don't follow the suggestion of one of your suspects to change your plans and also save your other suspect.
So like I said. Earnest, but making some very confusing choices that are contradictory and scum beneficial.
Got that one MP vote going for him too.
sig - Convenient time to coast, right? I had a very light townread on Sig in the early days, and was content with that. Apparently Sig was as well.
colonialbob - if one of the no-show/replacements this game was a scummer, this is my pick. I think it's likely, and neither occupant of the slot has done anything to give me a townread. At MYLO, it's easy for scum to phone it in, especially with low effort townies like sick!me.
Also don't like the way that the slot is treating the no lynch. Could be other-site weirdness, could be a ploy to accidentally leave too many votes awry. Giving that one a 50-50.

Color coded for convenience, but I'm not so sure of my readlist anymore.

As for your first question, jack, I make it a habit not to defend myself too much. Once I've given my actions a bit of explanation, I feel my efforts are better focused on scumhunting. If I am town, it will become apparent, or I'll need to up my town play. No excuses or strong regrets offered.

Sorry guys, I've been sick and it's sapping a lot of my motivation. I've only got one question to answer, it looks like, and I'll answer that in my next post.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:57 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:15 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:05 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:01 pm
We haven't.
Not yet, but it is looking like the best move.

Though you can argue whether it's better to do it now or in Day 6
Uh, are we at MYLO now?
@Dragon D. Luffy
@colonialbob

Yes!

I have no idea why anyone is voting or contemplating voting for anyone.

There are no more power roles. A mislynch is a mafia win.
We can win if we lynch right today, no lynch next, and then lynch right again in the next day.

I'm not decided whether that or no lynching now is the best move, tho.

There are two mafias left

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:05 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:01 pm
We haven't.
Not yet, but it is looking like the best move.

Though you can argue whether it's better to do it now or in Day 6

Uh, are we at MYLO now?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:08 pm Speed, I have a good idea of your opinions on DDL and Kyle at this point in the game. Tell me about your opinions on them now.

DDL doesn't look good on votes, but I'd eat my hat if he wasn't town. Kylemii has seemed sort of sketchy, but also very earnest and genuine.
I'd put Kyle above null, and DDL as moderate town.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:03 am How did we come to the point where we no-lynched twice?

We haven't.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:34 pm Please elaborate on what made you do a 180° in your previous logical reasoning.

Stupidity and doctor role messing with my head. That plus not really wanting to lynch DDL or Kyle, and being refuted/checked on my math while I was really sick and tired.
Nice job copying my format btw.

Do show us why tho Cbob.

20 minutes left

I'm on no-lynch.

Discussion is crap, protection role is alive, current numbers say we'll gain an extra day (one less number will put us at Lylo rather than Mylo if we no lynch and continue as normal). Math checks out. Logic checks out. Kylemii is giving me good feels.

Anybody around and up for it?

I'm an idiot who cannot follow my own math.

No lynch is fine today.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:09 pm The jailer will have just as much time to do their job regardless of whether or not a lynch happens

Don't make me bring out num-

huh, you're right. I could go no-lynch.

Keep in mind that NT's vote doesn't count.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:26 pm I'm not really sure I understand the new meta where people ignore evidence in favor of solely focusing on vibes but I still think DDL deserves a thorough looking at.

It's not a meta, it's just me.

BTW, if you/someone are doctor/jailkeeper, I think you should claim if about to be lynched. Hear me out.

DJ doesn't claim: DJ gets lynched, mafia kills someone they want dead.
DJ does claim: Town chooses a second option for lynch, mafia kills DJ.

Both result in DJ dead, but one also results in a town controlled lynch instead of mafia kill.

I don't think you're the doc/jailer considering how little you're trying to live, but I wanted to put this out there. Thoughts?

I'm on Kyle, until someone comes along with a better alt option than DDL.

linki: No lynch would give us an extra day, but we have a doc/jailkeeper around, so I'd rather not waste the chance to maybe get an extra day off of them instead.

I won't argue the point anymore, but I'd disagree that number 1 must result in your death tomorrow. Vote analysis isn't everything, thus my abstinence from a DDL wagon. I judge people on reads, action, and gut as well.
I guess I understand your POV though.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I regard your viewpoint the same way, so ditto and ditto.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:29 pm If it we're between Sig and SD I guess I'd say Sig but I also don't really like that you're the one presenting this choice to me because I don't have any reason to believe that you're not a mutineer.

Look, I've been in situations like this before, speedchuck. There's enough circumstantial evidence against me enough cloudiness in the water otherwise that if I don't get lynched now then we're likely to lynch a good pirate and that leads to the whole "day 5 guess we we're wrong, let's try lynching Kyle again" thing, and by that point the game is already lost.

You have a very different town philosophy than I do. Or something.

For some reason, townies are expected not to worry about getting lynched as much, and not to fight it too hard. After all, a townie getting lynched isn't as detrimental to town as a scummie getting lynched is to scum. So it's town behavior to work for the greater good and try your best to set things up for after your death.

That's f***ing stupid.

If you're town, you KNOW that you're town. You KNOW that any other lynch (from your perspective) is more likely to hit scum than where it currently rests. Were I in your position, I'd be fighting to survive not just one more day, but long enough to ram a win home.

But that's just a rant of mine. It's a philosophy, and not indicative of scum or town.

So I'm trying to give you an opportunity to do that, to make a difference today. But hey, if you want to lay down and die, whether out of a misplaced sense of duty or as a way to seem towny, make us feel guilty, and not give away your teammates then ok. Your choice.

Still feel like if you're scum then SD is 3rd. I expect busses even more from people that know each other. Maybe I'm weird like that.

<2 hours

I will be much more free once the week is over, but that's not really an excuse. My caasin's been visiting all week.

Really want to give the inactives a chance to prove themselves. Not looking there for a lynch today.
I have too stronk a townread on DDL to lynch him. Leaves Spacedaisy and Sig in the dead zone (of the two, I feel better about Sig, but only slightly).

What do you think of the two of them, Kylemii? Who would you push your lynch to between the two?

BTW, if Kylemii is scum, Spacedaisy is probably the third. Kyle threw out a "spacedaisy wouldn't bus" at the start of the day, and has ignored her ever since.
Feel like spacedaisy could totes bus.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:48 pm Which evidence?

His vote placement/MP's vote placement looks bad.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:33 pm I mean to ask if you meant to say that DDL is one of your suspects but also that you think he's probably good?

No.

DDL is one of my townreads. I read him town. There is some discriminating evidence that points to him being scum, but my townread on him is moderately strong.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:31 pm that's not even what I asked

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:58 pm Dragon D. Luffy
Still feel really good about DDL, tinfoil vote shenannigans aside.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:03 pm Speedchuck can I get your current reads on DDL and Sig?

Town, and eh.

I provided a rainbow like a page ago.

I thought jailkeeper was something completely different. Some role that makes people vanish for a day.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:14 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:04 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:54 pm Yarrrr. Be the town watcher one who finds out who targets their target?
That's how it works, yeah. Welcome to game!

Looks like we're in column C roles. We got a watcher and doctor folks. That makes D1 make sense. And it means we still have an edge.

RIP Dunya
It could also be line 3. With the jailkeeper.

I'm not super familiar with the jailkeeper, but I was thinking it was a doctor thanks to the no-death on N1? Could jailkeeper do that?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:06 pm Kylemii
2 votes for MP
none by MP

Be real. You just posted a little vote analysis to bring attention to this.

No worries. I dig it.

Where is your vote going today? What options are you considering?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:54 pm Yarrrr. Be the town watcher one who finds out who targets their target?

That's how it works, yeah. Welcome to game!

Looks like we're in column C roles. We got a watcher and doctor folks. That makes D1 make sense. And it means we still have an edge.

RIP Dunya

speedchuck

dunya
Dragon D. Luffy
sig
Spacedaisy
Jackofhearts2005
Kylemii
NewTraditionalist

Probably. Lesse.

We have 8 players left, 7 tomorrow (unless doctors/roleblockers pull through). 2 are scum. I could definitely see it being Kyle and a former inactive. I feel like I can basically rule out Dunya at this point. No pings there. Still feel really good about DDL, tinfoil vote shenannigans aside.

So my bet for remaining scum are:
Kyle, spacedaisy, sig, or DDL
and an inactive.

linki: depends on when I hypothetically voted
I can't be absolute unless given specific parameters. After all, I know what the result is.
hmmm
Probably quin. Only NT if I had a strong gutread in the moment.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:39 pm speedchuck / daisy / newtraditionalist

where would your votes have been yesterday?

Quin or NT

Caught up. Quicker than expected.

I kinda like Jack's analysis, but he's also not under any pressure so it's not as easy to read him.
I might have taken up Quin's offer to tie him and NT at the end of day, if I was here.

And there's not much else to catch up on. Here's to a more active D4 now that I'm between jobs and not at concerts.

On a side note, Imagine Dragons is amazing live. Holy crap.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:44 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:41 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:54 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:14 pm I guess the main question of the day is, why didn't a baddie-motivated MP just vote to kill Quin so he could survive for himself and also his team?
Talking about D1 here, right?

I don't know. Even if it wouldn't have worked with his reads very well, voting for self-pres gives him at least another assured day. There's no reason D1 should have ended in a three way tie.

And he moved to Wilgy at the last second, not Quin.

I've got a town read on Quin, but that don't look good.
What are you referring to here?
3 way lynch tie on D1.

After the deadline (but before the mod post), MP moved to vote Wilgy.
I was talking about earlier when the lynch was a 3 way tie between quin, MP, and.... Spankgansta I think? before you suggested Dr.Wilgy.

Oh.

Well I'm talking about a later time when he still didn't vote Quin.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:54 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:14 pm I guess the main question of the day is, why didn't a baddie-motivated MP just vote to kill Quin so he could survive for himself and also his team?
Talking about D1 here, right?

I don't know. Even if it wouldn't have worked with his reads very well, voting for self-pres gives him at least another assured day. There's no reason D1 should have ended in a three way tie.

And he moved to Wilgy at the last second, not Quin.

I've got a town read on Quin, but that don't look good.
What are you referring to here?

3 way lynch tie on D1.

After the deadline (but before the mod post), MP moved to vote Wilgy.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:14 pm I guess the main question of the day is, why didn't a baddie-motivated MP just vote to kill Quin so he could survive for himself and also his team?

Talking about D1 here, right?

I don't know. Even if it wouldn't have worked with his reads very well, voting for self-pres gives him at least another assured day. There's no reason D1 should have ended in a three way tie.

And he moved to Wilgy at the last second, not Quin.

I've got a town read on Quin, but that don't look good.

MP is still on the poll. I reckon we should lynch him again.

RIP LC.

Hi Jack

On surface level, DDL, Quin, and Dunya don't look great on the lynch poll. If I have everything correct.

I might would put sig and DDL anti-aligned considering that.

I dunno. MP was such a suspect going into D2 that nobody looked good on the lynch poll. Hard to do vote analysis when there is no indecision around it. Could be that MP's death was the result of an enthyusiastic bus from LC, Spacedaisy... In my experience, it's around vote 4 that the scum start hopping on, but this might be the exception.

Remember, someone might die tonight. Get your thoughts into the thread in the next hour if you can.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:46 pm i'm curious to hear speedchuck's thoughts about things

Yeah me too

My brother's visiting, my cousin's just come to stay for a week, and a friend from Atlanta took us to a planetarium for the night.
So I missed all of this till just now.

If Quin is also scum, I'd celebrate this as the most unlikely amazing D1 ever that my CFD totally screwed up. MP's flip puts a lot of people in light. I'll be doing some vote analysis the next time I get in the thread. In the meantime, tag me in any questions that I should give priority. The next 3 days are going to be really busy.

So like, 8 hours left?

I have company so I won't be around as much. Nobody is doing anything.

Maybe I should move onto MP? Imma do that.

If we have a doctor, then we're dealing with a vanilla mafia team. I think that's the only valuable comment I can make about role stuff. Watchers and Trackers don't have to doubt their results.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:10 pm Speed said he didn't like CFDs so I'm curious why he was the first voter on Wilgy's wagon. @speedchuck could you explain this or quote your explanation?

Was growing wary of the current wagons, if you can call them that.

See, this wasn't really a CFD. CFD's mean that there is a lynch target, and you move to someone else really quickly at the end. From 1 to 2, in other words. This was more of a clusterf**k. Nobody had more than 4 votes at any time. Not even past 1/3 majority. There were two lynch wagons, each with 3 votes when I voted Wilgy (I think). With a single vote, I made Wilgy viable.

That's not really a CFD. That's voting a currently unpopular lynch option.

That may not satisfy you, but really. You can't CFD a lynch that is already tied. Just screw it up some more.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:44 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:12 pm Insanifying is a mechanic that mafia uses for a reason. Screw self-imposed crap like that. I will be down to lynch it every time, early on, as bloody policy. Rico was a legit scumread. You were basically null. I was DTL (down-to-lynch) anyways.
"Oh em gee, he still thinks "dude posting clips of distorted phonograph music samples and nothing else" was "legit scumread".

Those were distorted?

I can't stream music at work, so I never listened to them.

Unlike with poppy or your weird othersite smileys, Rico, I got nothing whatsoever from your phonographs. So I scumread you because you were literally making it 100% impossible to read you, which is an interesting scum strategy. It was clearly different, in my mind, from your other gimmicks.

Though, seeing any obscuring gimmick makes me feel a little bit lynchy.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:46 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:58 pm
If you'll notice, I'm doing the opposite of apologizing. It's hidden in the parenthesis, so I understand if you missed it.
That isn't my point. The point is that you were discussing whether you were feeling bad or not about Wilgy's flip even though he hadn't flipped yet.

Granted a lot of people did that and some of them are probably civ. But yours called the most of my attention, specially since you voted for him.

Let's put it this way, taking MP as an example. Let's say I was 30% on Wilgy being scum, and 40% on MP. Who should I have voted for?

Most people would say MP. Maybe they would be right. I voted Wilgy. Why?
Because town loses a lot more with a town MP lynch than a town wilgy lynch. Because Wilgy was acting in a way that I practically policy-lynch over. Because Wilgy isn't going to get easier to read as days go on, as MP will, and I might as well get him out of the way early.

I think Wilgy caught on to that he wasn't technically my biggest scumread at the time, and was aggravated that I voted him. So I (didn't) apologize. Granted, I was hyped up on self-righteous irritation, but that's where I was.

If you'll recall, not only had wilgy not flipped, but I didn't know at that point who had even been lynched.

So I wouldn't say that I was feeling good or bad about Wilgy's flip, per se. I was discussing how I felt about his possible lynch, and my decision to vote him. And I felt pretty good about it.

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