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Lunalee

[VOTE: Approve] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 7:18 pm A used condom discovered in the teacher's facilities early this week was just one of several possible surprises for us.

Ew.

[VOTE: approve] aubergine

Let's get this over with.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 4:03 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 3:52 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 3:19 pm Scotty pls.
I got you fam

Proposed team:
Golden
Luna
SpaceDaisy
Scotty
MPlusSiete
To those of you new to The Resistance, this is what's commonly referred to as a "shitty team". Complicated lingo and terminology, but the general idea is that this team is "Bad" or "Awful" or "Not Good".

[VOTE: Disapprove] aubergine

Y'all depending on me to do stuff makes me uncomfotarnable.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:36 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:33 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:27 pm Speedchuck, what do you think of this mission?
It has three of my favorite people on it.
Can’t tell if serious or..

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:27 pm Speedchuck, what do you think of this mission?

It has three of my favorite people on it.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 11:10 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 11:09 am If we eschew scumreads, DH has a point. Mafia can coordinate, so any number of floaters could be on the team so far. Literally the only hard information we have is that the previous team did not have zero scum in it.
hmm true

If we eschew scumreads

If we eschew scumreads, DH has a point. Mafia can coordinate, so any number of floaters could be on the team so far. Literally the only hard information we have is that the previous team did not have zero scum in it.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:39 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:36 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:32 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:18 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 8:00 pm Entirely unsafe and reckless to put anyone from that mission onto this one. Especially considering two "Not Guilty" verrdicts are gonna sink this one.

Pardon?
I mean, there are 5 scum. Split the game arbitrarily into two groups, just because there's at least one scum on one group, and... odds aren't great. But odds aren't great either way, the advent of BTSC and lack of guilty/not guilty counts means we don't have a whole lot to go on.

So I don't really have a better suggestion either. You do you, Sprit.
These are words.

I'm really tired.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:32 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:18 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 8:00 pm Entirely unsafe and reckless to put anyone from that mission onto this one. Especially considering two "Not Guilty" verrdicts are gonna sink this one.

Pardon?

I mean, there are 5 scum. Split the game arbitrarily into two groups, just because there's at least one scum on one group, and... odds aren't great. But odds aren't great either way, the advent of BTSC and lack of guilty/not guilty counts means we don't have a whole lot to go on.

So I don't really have a better suggestion either. You do you, Sprit.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 8:00 pm Entirely unsafe and reckless to put anyone from that mission onto this one. Especially considering two "Not Guilty" verrdicts are gonna sink this one.

Cool I get to vote again?

[VOTE: approve] aubergine

You do

We need five for the next trial. Might I suggest a superset of the first two passed missions? Hmmm?

Whoa that was quick and easy.

That's 3 approves, 2 disapproves.

I've already voted, so I guess I can ignore this for now. GL.

linki:

I like boxes.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 2:39 pm Not terrible reasoning to include yourself, but I only really want to vote for the same mission currently.

Not gonna happen unless we wait for someone on the first mission to come up. Which would be you.

I know you can't change your vote at this point, but I think this is okay.

You can't exactly ask someone to NOT put themselves on the team. I'd have done the same thing.

[VOTE: Approve] aubergine

linki: I echo the que

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 12:54 pm [VOTE: Disapprove] aubergine

Throwing me in seems a little strange and I don't know if it's an effort to put a question mark on my back. I'd rather be safe than sorry in this situation.

What will you be suggesting? We can hash it out before you suggest it so that more people might agree.

[VOTE: DISAPPROVE] aubergine

I have no issue with running the same team again. It isn't really more or less likely to be successful than another team, given the likelihood of floaters. Low risk, high reward.

Dunno if the upcoming choosers will agree, though.

What's the tally?

Has anyone received a PM from anyone else? Anything they'd feel comfortable reporting?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 11:08 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 11:05 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:08 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 9:31 pm I believe MP+7 will not be a problem with a prompt enough vote, because Spacedaisy is there to nudge him. And I would not count that as any kind of BTSC even during closed BTSC time. It's just sensible.

So, if a Not Guilty verdict comes up, is the common practice to create juries that contain none of the original four?
So you approved the team, we had a guilty verdict, DH makes a team that only has 2 of the original, adding himself and...DP, who no one has talked about yet, and you wholeheartedly agree with it, saying that it’s in the bag?

I actually assumed that he made the same team, I didn't realize he had changed people. We need to have the same jury.
Seems you need reading glasses. Or you were intentionally careless.

Which do you think it was?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:36 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:31 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:22 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:19 am 7% odds that we randomly hit all town on that first team. Not great.
Yikes 7%? Fortunately we didn't rush into things.
Thing is, based on the requirements for trial two and four, there's a 7% chance that we've already won the game, right? Shouldn't we try it out instead of counting on DP?
7% odds are "Not Great".

The odds with DP aren't any better. That's just the numbers talking. Why DP?? I get why you'd put yourself on the team, sure. But are you that certain that there are two scum to replace?

I follow some of your logic, but not all of it.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:22 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:19 am 7% odds that we randomly hit all town on that first team. Not great.
Yikes 7%? Fortunately we didn't rush into things.

Thing is, based on the requirements for trial two and four, there's a 7% chance that we've already won the game, right? Shouldn't we try it out instead of counting on DP?

7% odds that we randomly hit all town on that first team. Not great.

Oh, that's what floating is. Okay.

Wait, why are we not nominating the same team?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:51 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:43 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:40 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:23 pm
However, I don’t think I want a team with you on it.
Why
Because I’m getting an off vibe from you this game, like you’re being all helpful and buddy buddy and it’s makijg me uncomfy
Clearly he should be threatening us all with a bat.
I disagree.

But he isn’t. That’s what’s troubling me

You just aren't going to be happy. I like that.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:40 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:23 pm
However, I don’t think I want a team with you on it.
Why
Because I’m getting an off vibe from you this game, like you’re being all helpful and buddy buddy and it’s makijg me uncomfy

Clearly he should be threatening us all with a bat.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:36 pm
We have no information.

You NOT approving a team with you on it is very different than me APPROVING a team I'm not on.

Mostly because I will approve every team until we get past the first mission.

Having an early team get through without having a great many nominations restricts information. If I were like, the 5th or 6th or 7th Team Leader I would approve my team no questions asked but I'm 3rd so there aren't many nominations before me. I want to see who everyone nominates or failing that as many nominees as possible. That's information. Blindly approving teams runs the risk of the criminal team putting up a big ol' stinker.

I'll think about it.

The meta where I come from basically has it where the scum always let the first mission pass, because later missions are much harder if you can't trust any information from mission one. And with a limited number of team selections, and with simultaneous votes, it's much easier just to get on with it.

But there is no meta here.

Townreads:

EdJou wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:28 am I think continually downvoting is advantageous to the criminals. Maybe I'm wrong.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 10:57 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 10:54 am also we do have open btsc yeah? idk exactly how we can use that to suss people out but we can try
Seems like a good way for Mafia to get Civs on their side with some sweet and clever words. Beware agreeing to anything to someone who assures you they're Civ.

These guys.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:21 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:05 pm We're playing Avalon now boys. I know how this game works. I'm not a crow anymore.
Do you play where mordred usually floats? Or just yolo with multiple baddies on a mission?

I don't actually know what you mean by 'floats.' I've technically played the Resistance more than Avalon.

Multiple baddies per mission is not a problem in this game. Open BTSC.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:11 pm
EdJou wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 8:38 am I nominate
EdJou
M Plus
Scotty
Daisy

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 10:21 am [VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: APPROVE] aubergine

Any team with you on it (if you are town) it statistically more likely to win than a team without you on it
Fun that you voted to approve a team that (were you a town/civ player) would be statistically more likely to fail.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:14 pm This line of thinking is going to push this game into the next millennium

We have no information.

You NOT approving a team with you on it is very different than me APPROVING a team I'm not on.

Mostly because I will approve every team until we get past the first mission.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:22 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:08 pm I will approve (starting next vote) Any team that does contain scotty but does not contain Speedchuck
i second this, but vice versa. because im a little shit

Also arbitrary, but a better choice. At least you admitted the reason.

We're playing Avalon now boys. I know how this game works. I'm not a crow anymore.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:04 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:46 am Put me on your team, @DharmaHelper , and I'll approve it.
I wasn't even planning on approving my own team

Ew. Virtue signalling, anti-town play. Any team with you on it (if you are town) it statistically more likely to win than a team without you on it. This is not ideal play. It just is supposed to look good.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:08 pm I will approve (starting next vote) Any team that does contain scotty but does not contain Speedchuck

Ew. Arbitrary choice, anti-town play. Because I'm town.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:38 am We'll only have a basis on who to trust once a verdict has come in.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 10:58 am In normal Resistance IIRC approval/disapproval votes are instant and until revealed, secret, so doing it in the style of a lynch vote is another disadvantage for us, since Criminals I guess could either wait to vote, not vote at all, or vote based on whichever way the wind blows.

We can wait to vote too. This allows us to look at the flow of votes in the thread, see who is deciding to vote, when, and why. There are advantages.

[VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: APPROVE] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:14 pm I am heading to bed. I am going to [VOTE: disapprove] aubergine to cleanse the palate of this automated crap, and I hope the next Head Juror will pick their jurors with some more thought.

Ow

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:33 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:30 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:28 pm Ok, so do you guys know some simple strategies we can use?
It's like mafia, and there are scumpeople. It just has a different set of rules/phases.

Mafia are trying to get people on the jury to sabotage it. We're trying to get scum-free juries. Most mafia strategies work? And based on the round results, we can POE pretty well.
I assume that getting a Not Guilty will make all jurors on that jury a lot more suspect... there are so few rounds to shuffle and sort them though.

Thus the leaders.

For round 1, we only need to get 4/7 of the town figured out. Or... scum might throw in a guilty verdict and let us pass to give us less info for later rounds. That's what I always do IRL.

Okay. I nominate:

1. Speedchuck
2. EdJou
3. Dharmahelper
4. DisgruntledPorcupine

If I need to PM it I can.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:28 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:27 pm I own that game IRL and have played it on mafia sites. Good stuff.

Who wants to be on the team?
You should nominate in numerical order.

Why?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:28 pm Ok, so do you guys know some simple strategies we can use?

It's like mafia, and there are scumpeople. It just has a different set of rules/phases.

Mafia are trying to get people on the jury to sabotage it. We're trying to get scum-free juries. Most mafia strategies work? And based on the round results, we can POE pretty well.

I own that game IRL and have played it on mafia sites. Good stuff.

Who wants to be on the team?

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