The Syndicate

I don't think any of us knew what to do.

I was scumreading JoH after I died for torching me. I thought there was no way he'd get away with such a blatant scum move. Turned out I was wrong in more ways that one.

Only scumread I nailed (again, after I died) was DH.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:52 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:12 pm Aw shit no females left for me to torch

*Stares directly at the camera*

Stare into the camera and the camera stares back

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:49 pm Huge if true.

Large if factual

Home now. Bout to start up movie.

I like Quin's Elohread list. A+ Almost makes me not suspect her at all.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:08 pm So not burning Colin, DH, Quin due to townreading and probably shouldn't burn Eloh and Wilgy due to not having a clue on them.

So DDL, INH, TH and Speedchuck is probably my lynch pool. I do got that standard DDL suspicion but it isn't enough to jump on.

I'll disagree with you on Colin.

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I'd recommend getting a clue on Eloh, be it from Quin or from personal observation. She has enough material to look at. I currently have a bit of a scumread on her for meta-read tone, lack of thought process behind presented reads, generally talking to the town and telling them they are doing poorly.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:08 am I think the focus needs to shift. I think y'all truat those you shouldn't.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:19 pm just saying...we are losing all civs and the ratio of baddies to civs keeps getting greater.

Like what even are these?

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I shouldn't be in your lynch pool, and neither should DDL IMO.

I can check in a bit, but I'm about to go home with my wife, watch a movie, and play video games.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:31 pm Since mafia kills will be for reasons twofold (one, to kill townies, two, to find teammates), how do we take advantage of the latter? This game encourages scum to rely on their kills more than the lynch, imo. Scum have to hunt but hide their attempts to do so to avoid inadvertently lynching a teammate.

Does this make sense?

Sort of but you might be overthinking it.

Depends on how much scum would want to actually find their teammates. That's how a lot of scum get caught, is teammate interaction. They might be better off not knowing?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:05 pm I don't think anyone should get a pass for killing poutanko on Night 3.

Nobody should get a pass for anything. We're dealing with a number of serial killers, not an organized team. I'm cool with lynching whoever killed Nova last night too.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:41 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:20 pm Hey Turnip Head is voting me. I just looked at the poll for the first time today.

Is it because I voted Jack?

pretty much yeah.

If it's any help, I was voting for quin, then changed it in a spur of the moment decision. If not, that's cool too.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:21 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:00 pm And I'm not looking for an indy Eloh for hours.

Economics Mafia. It's a side mission.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 0&sr=posts

I do see some aggression in here. Tone doesn't strike me as quite the same, but hey it's been three years.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:23 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:36 pm The scum in Fire Emblem killed rabbit N1 solely because they were afraid speed would replace in against them.

I mean speed is good at this game but this is silly.

That's honestly what they said. It is a documented fact.

That doesn't make it any less silly.

Hey Turnip Head is voting me. I just looked at the poll for the first time today.

Is it because I voted Jack?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:08 pm So not burning Colin, DH, Quin due to townreading and probably shouldn't burn Eloh and Wilgy due to not having a clue on them.

So DDL, INH, TH and Speedchuck is probably my lynch pool. I do got that standard DDL suspicion but it isn't enough to jump on.

Out of the three, my strongest townread is on DDL at the moment.

I'm not going to ask for an elaborate song and dance but I would like as many accusations and as much reasoning thrown out as possible, even for players I don't think I should burn.

@DrWilgy give me your power. I know you have actual insight and you keep signing up so I know deep in your heart, you wanna give it to me.

Also, who would kill new player? Who would not? I don't think Speed or Quin would. The new player is friends with DDL right? (Or was that Kara?) I don't think he'd kill them so early.

It was DDL. That's not why I townread him, given the SK thing going on, but it's a thing.

Also, even if it is mylo, scum might shoot scum tonight.

Linki: And I might even burn scum today.

linki: I do have a lot of mafia victories. That's our hidden power, Jack. We're just really good at making town lose, regardless of alignment.
doublelinki: I'm scum at heart tho so I like it alright. Just wish I'd roll more scumroles, apparently people don't want to give them to me anymore.

This is a really weird side of this argument to be on. Stop making me criticize myself to prove my point.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:40 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:36 pm I think speed has a reputation as a very formidable player and generally not someone you want to have on the other team. The scum in Fire Emblem killed rabbit N1 solely because they were afraid speed would replace in against them.

I have data I could use to vehemently argue with you, but I'll just take the high for now.

Oh man was it Speed they were worried about replacing in as a baddie?

I mean, you're overrated as hell but I wanna say Colin is right about this.

Spoiler: show

I keed. You're a damn good player.

It was me.

But I'm currently coming off of the third consecutive game that I've led townies to a loss. I don't know that I've ever been a dangerous town player, per se. Talkative, but not too dangerous. My best town performance was in Mountain Mafia... and I was third party.

though.

Anyway, I wouldn't bring that up except for Colin basically saying "why is speed not nightkilled yet" when I never get nightkilled early in mafia games.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:36 pm I think speed has a reputation as a very formidable player and generally not someone you want to have on the other team. The scum in Fire Emblem killed rabbit N1 solely because they were afraid speed would replace in against them.

I have data I could use to vehemently argue with you, but I'll just take the high for now.

Colin keeps acting like I'm this super dangerous supah-towning presence that needs to be reevaluated and lynched, and I don't get why he's so scared of me.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:02 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:00 pm Answer: Nope, Mafia Elohcin is not really more aggressive. But then, this is more of a SK game. And I'm not looking for an indy Eloh for hours.

You read an Eloh scum game, evaluated the content, synthesizedva point and wrote this post all in 4 minutes?

Yep. Dove into Mortal Kombat mafia, skimmed about two pages of Eloh's four that she contributed.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:04 pm As for the exercise, my bad, I thought I addressed it. I would have killed either Speed or DH due to largest perceived threat, or someone totally unlinked to me at that point like Quin.

Explain to me how I am a threat. Explain it. Do it.

Answer: Nope, Mafia Elohcin is not really more aggressive. But then, this is more of a SK game. And I'm not looking for an indy Eloh for hours.

Feel like Elohcin is being WAY more aggressive in this game than in her recent town games. I love it but also wonder why the meta change. Maybe I'll find a scum game and compare.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:51 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:49 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:43 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:59 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:22 am Who voted for me and who voted for someone else?

I voted for you.

Why? I'm at the bottom of your rainbow list and you're aware I haven't read the whole game.

Wouldn't I be a terrible person to give a flamethrower to?

1. You said you knew what to do with it.
2. If I had colored that rainbow, you'd have been yellow. Only the two under you are scumreads of mine at the moment, which is a problem of its own.
3. If I read you as scum, I might consider giving you the flamethrower anyway. Could learn a lot about who you are and who your teammates might be by the way you handle it. (all things considered, scum are as blind as we are in some cases. Sometimes not. Either way it would be interesting to see how they handle the firecannon)

linkis I will read them

1. So?
2. Nobody knew that but you, right?
3. At potentially mylo? When I might be bad AND not know who my teammates even are?

I don't follow this reasoning.

You asked.

1. So show me.
2. So?
3. I doubt that it's MYLO, personally. I didn't even consider that it might be MYLO before now.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:43 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:59 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:22 am Who voted for me and who voted for someone else?

I voted for you.

Why? I'm at the bottom of your rainbow list and you're aware I haven't read the whole game.

Wouldn't I be a terrible person to give a flamethrower to?

1. You said you knew what to do with it.
2. If I had colored that rainbow, you'd have been yellow. Only the two under you are scumreads of mine at the moment, which is a problem of its own.
3. If I read you as scum, I might consider giving you the flamethrower anyway. Could learn a lot about who you are and who your teammates might be by the way you handle it. (all things considered, scum are as blind as we are in some cases. Sometimes not. Either way it would be interesting to see how they handle the firecannon)

linkis I will read them

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:32 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:28 am Looking at the two nightkills so far ... they don’t make much sense to me. Poutanko was new and Nova had not done anything to become a top townleader. It’s almost as if the killers are choosing targets with the goal of finding their teammates? Which begs the question as to why a player like Jack, Speed or DH haven’t been targeted yet. Unless they have.

If I'd been targeted for a kill I'dve died, so it ain't me fam.

Why do you even have me and Jack on this list, Colin? Jack hasn't even read the whole game and I'm not exactly supahtowning.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:22 am Who voted for me and who voted for someone else?

I voted for you.

I will gladly take the flamethrower today

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:25 pm Ooh wait here’s an idea

Let’s assume N1 was scum-unknowingly-attempting-to-NK-scum

Who would you have nightkilled if you were scum, and why?

I suggested this earlier.

Would have killed Wilgy as well. If I am in total control of the kill, it's going to a non-participant.

speedchuck
Quin
Elohcin
sprityo
DharmaHelper
Turnip Head
DrWilgy
insertnamehere
Dragon D. Luffy
Jackofhearts2005
ColinIsCool
novaselinenever

Colorless rainbow. I'm pretty busy today, so these are mostly just quick feels. Sorry if you wanted more.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:13 am I liked INH and Speed's cases.
Why? My case wasn't that great. Easy suspects from these cases.

Fine with adding colin and DDL to my shit list
Distancing, if Colin is scum and they found that out night one. (a stretch, I know, not important to my read of Sprit)

Could care less if TH torches me if that's his true intention. He hasnt set any crazy rules for today so meh
"Yeah, I totally don't care because townies aren't supposed to care if they die. It's fine. I'm meh."

I also read nova's case and while i dont agree with all of it, i think it makes eloh look a little worse than what i originally perceived but I still think he went about it the wrong way. What's the right way you may ask? Maybe adding some more meat to it would convince me.
This doesn't say anything.

worth noting, Im pretty sure someone mentioned it earlier, but the whole mafia team doesnt have btsc and a different one kills every night makes them essentially SK's that win together and it allows for a lot easier bussing. Intentional or otherwise.
What does this have to do with anything at all?

In the process of reading the past few pages i came to the humbling realization that im quite bored by this game, so im peacing out until later. toodles.
Tonewise, this bothers me. I'm not an expert on Sprit meta, despite my time knowing him, but I can see him getting frustrated and walking away from the table for a while as scum.

This post isn't player salad... it's like... word salad? IDK. I get that the post is meant to dump thoughts in the thread before leaving, but none of these thoughts are original or hunting. Just "Here's where my head is, based on stuff others said and my lack of motivation. Also mafia are SKs. Ciao."

I didn't get good vibes from this post is what I'm saying.

First time listening to an audio recording. Who is aaron?

There's a specific way in which Quin disagrees with literally everyone... and how he doesn't give a crap... usually, I see that from town Quin, with a certain belligerently honest tone to it. That's one of the secrets of my quindar. That's a bit of what genuquin means.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:07 am DharmaHelper
Elohcin
poutanko
Quin
sprityo

I am treating the above five as town until I have a reason not to do so. DH is probably the weakest of those 5 townreads since I can see him campaigning like he did even as scum, but his implementation was REALLY pro-town when it didn't have to be.

Can you elaborate on that Quin townread? I can understand the other 4, but Quin is someone I'm a little bit confused on myself.

Gut.

I've literally never been wrong gut-reading Quin.

Hey guys

Don't give me the flamethrower

Thanks

DharmaHelper
Elohcin
poutanko
Quin
sprityo

I am treating the above five as town until I have a reason not to do so. DH is probably the weakest of those 5 townreads since I can see him campaigning like he did even as scum, but his implementation was REALLY pro-town when it didn't have to be.

I'll be around a LOT more on the weekdays.

Food for thought: The mafia targeted mafia last night. If we do a little nightkill analysis, it prompts the question: Who would the sk/mafia nightkill in this situation? Who would they have no reason to target?

It's called quindar, Quin. Cmon

Oh, okay. Colin is obviously bad but I'll let someone else case him. I'm pretty sure I don't need the cred.

Someone step up and case Colin. Don't make me do it.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:11 am So mafia doesn't know each other (yet), which means a mafia with a flamethrower has no reason not to follow us. It also means D1 is harder than usual.

What does this even mean?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:02 am Oh I just realized self-voting is forbidden.

Hmm

random.org gave me Dr. Wilgy.

(Though I was RPGing that night too, it was fun)

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:02 am So should we reveal who we nominated at Day 0?

This looks like a generation of discussion, but since scum are all indys (on D1 at least) the election votes don't mean much. Wary of the faux-discussion.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:13 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:07 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:35 pm I’m not bad, I’m bad at Mafia.

Eh. The “Speed could be bad, wait, Speed could be good.” thing is annoying enough on a D1 where not much has happened and a DDL bandwagon seems to be leaving the station. Colin has been pushing weaksauce stuff against two people I’m kinda townreading rn: Speed and DH. I’ll put my vote on him for now, and perhaps move it if he elaborates on those feelings in a satisfactory way.

If you flip-flip more I might start thinik you are nutella in disguise.

INH did speak a bit too much about what he would do with his vote in certain cases, but he's pretty straightforward about his read and vote. Not only that, but he's scumreading a real flip-flopper. Feels like an ingenuine suspicion. (The post before this one was a Luna suspicion, which was a bit easy, but possibly genuine.)

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:22 pm Sprityo looks worse after this day. It's one thing to murder an inactive day 1, it's another to use that as an excuse to avoid scumhunting them posting a bunch of salad after you execute said inactive.

On the one hand, agreed. On the other hand, what does Sprityo gain by doing this? Also this is piggybacking off someone else's suspicion. He continues to hammer down on this. It's an easy gripe to let fester.

His INH case isn't great.

I have no reason to think DDL is town, but the scum pings arten't that strong. I'll see if ColinIsCool gives me a better case, but I'm voting here for now so nobody can steal it.

I'm with Quin. Townreading:

speedchuck
Quin
Elohcin
sprityo
DharmaHelper

Dunno about:
ColinIsCool
Dragon D. Luffy
DrWilgy
insertnamehere
Jackofhearts2005
Lunalee
novaselinenever
poutanko
Turnip Head

Been busy but I'm ready to play today. Let me find someone to case.

It was probably a tie between me and Sprit.

It's my turn!

I promise not to flamethrower Mac, like my former opponent did. I wouls have torched DDL, like everyone wanted to. Especially with it being day 1, to give people like Mac more than 48 hours to notice the game.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:47 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:44 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:39 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:37 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:28 pm Also Eloh's information is not wrong. The kill does rotate between Assimilated so if it takes Ass #1 two nights after their original kill to get another kill in, then Ass #1 knows there are 2 more mafia in the game. Eloh was correct.

I already addressed the post. They won't know until day four at the earliest. If there are four scum, push that to like day 8 for some of them.
It's not factually wrong, but it demonstrates a misconception of the time involved. The game could literally be over before some of them know how many assimilated there are.

This seems like unnecessary semantics to me.

Is that a problem?

If you look back earlier, I already addressed Eloh's comment, and she accepted the correction. I then used the word "wrong" in my later post instead of "wisleading/conveying a misunderstanding" and you jumped on that. That's you bringing up unnecessary semantics.

Just seemed like you were starting an argument to start one.

I think I assumed it was some sort of accusation since it was right next to your negative vibes post.

linki: yeah

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:39 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:37 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:28 pm Also Eloh's information is not wrong. The kill does rotate between Assimilated so if it takes Ass #1 two nights after their original kill to get another kill in, then Ass #1 knows there are 2 more mafia in the game. Eloh was correct.

I already addressed the post. They won't know until day four at the earliest. If there are four scum, push that to like day 8 for some of them.
It's not factually wrong, but it demonstrates a misconception of the time involved. The game could literally be over before some of them know how many assimilated there are.

This seems like unnecessary semantics to me.

Is that a problem?

If you look back earlier, I already addressed Eloh's comment, and she accepted the correction. I then used the word "wrong" in my later post instead of "wisleading/conveying a misunderstanding" and you jumped on that. That's you bringing up unnecessary semantics.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:31 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:56 am For the record I voted DDL when there were no posts in the game and then never changed it.

Why you guys gave the fire gun to the person with the least knowledge of game setup, I'll never know. (Is it because he's probably town? It might be because he's probably town.)

Ayyy btw much bad viberinos from this posterino.

First or second half? Because the second half was a joke.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:28 pm Also Eloh's information is not wrong. The kill does rotate between Assimilated so if it takes Ass #1 two nights after their original kill to get another kill in, then Ass #1 knows there are 2 more mafia in the game. Eloh was correct.

I already addressed the post. They won't know until day four at the earliest. If there are four scum, push that to like day 8 for some of them.
It's not factually wrong, but it demonstrates a misconception of the time involved. The game could literally be over before some of them know how many assimilated there are.

[mention]Lunalee[/mention]

In your own words from your posts: You are hesitant and you want to avoid responsibility. It is that attitude that led you to vote for a lurker.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:20 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:23 pm Hey guys...checking in. Not sure who I'll vote for yet.

I wanted to note, because the kill rotates among the assimilated, they will know how many of theme there are which is an advantage to them. This was probably very clear to everyone but I thought it was worth mentioning.

Once they find out, can they subtly let the rest of us know?

I assume this post was a joke, but it has a weird tone.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:30 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:13 am I am officially upgrading Poutanko to GOOD VIBES status. I'm getting good vibes from them.

This reminds me of INH's "Hot Tub of Trust" thing he did in courage, where he was civ. But I'm still hesitant to make any correlations here and call him civ.

Your hesitant observations look like scumhunting, but... they aren't.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:31 pm sprityo do we get to help you decide who gets torched?

I don't know what this is. The whole game has been talking about this mechanic, and Sprityo has talked about how he'll handle the flamethrower.

I'll be the first to admit that I have no idea what your town game looks like, but what I've seen so far isn't great.

I have people who I don't want burned. But not anyone I specifically want burned.

Townreads, no scumreads.

Sprit and Eloh have both, to some degree, messed up information that scum probably would have. Plausible townslips. I'd rather not lynch either of them at this point.

I agree that killing inactives might be important because if we can't win anonymous elections during the day, we won't even have a 'lynch' to use.
Actually if we publicize our votes and stick together, it's not that different from a normal lynch. I'd leave inactives, especially Macdougall, in the clear until tomorrow.

linki: thanks for the clarification

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:57 am Speed very well could be good trying to win the game, I guess I was thinking of some recent games where he wasn’t acting like that as town (Hydra and U-Pick) but Courage he did, so, nevermind that.

Please do define what 'acting like that' means

For the record I voted DDL when there were no posts in the game and then never changed it.

Why you guys gave the fire gun to the person with the least knowledge of game setup, I'll never know. (Is it because he's probably town? It might be because he's probably town.)

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:57 am I've decided to get my thoughts out there before the gym as I'm waiting for my ride.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:23 pm Hey guys...checking in. Not sure who I'll vote for yet.

I wanted to note, because the kill rotates among the assimilated, they will know how many of theme there are which is an advantage to them. This was probably very clear to everyone but I thought it was worth mentioning.

Initial impression: Trying to seem useful to the town while presenting information that "was probably very clear to everyone". Strikes me as a bit off, but Eloh is so often Mega-Manned that I don't want to do that to her this game and I won't be voting for her Day 1 at least.


I'll explain this post now:

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:40 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:35 pm I have a feeling speedchuck's gonna be spittin fire on account of being the boring and sensible candidate... but I feel like we're gonna miss out on a fun wrinkle to the game

You better cross your fingers that I'm not as popular as everyone says I am.

"I have a feeling we're gonna lynch speedchuck even though I don't wanna" Is a semi-defeatist cop-out type of a statement. What makes chuck the sensible candidate :P Mucho suspecto.

I think he thought I was going to get elected.

Also Eloh's information is wrong, as I pointed out. As quin said, might even be a town slip. Not so useful.