I stopped winning from (I think) July of 2018 through December, despite playing in almost every game. Now I'm doing well again.
No idea how much is luck and how much is skill or mental state, but it always comes back around!
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I stopped winning from (I think) July of 2018 through December, despite playing in almost every game. Now I'm doing well again.
I fantasize about having you on my team, yes.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:49 pm Man if anyone had me on their fantasy team that's a buncha points.
I'm cool with it.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:43 pm Dead chat
I will refrain from sharing the mafia chat since I forgot to warn them of that pre-game.
As you should have been. That would have been a jerk move.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:30 pmI would have been extremely angry and flipped out lolJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:28 pm nutella, what would you have said had speedchuck killed you instead of Sloonei to end the game?
Thirty minutes until I can leave work and get some.
That was the cincher for me too, the Mayor seed.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:05 pm Yeah sloonei using his extra vote for the scum win seems possible but would he really do that and plant the "mayor" seed, I personally find it much more likely that he did that as town honestly thinking Luna was the better choice. Also this might be angle shooting but I don't think Jay gives mafia extra vote powers but idk also sloot could have been lying about it entirely but again I doubt it. I think this game is solverinoed bois.
Please explain everything about this.
... huh.
In your situation? Attempt the very thing you attempted, and then if you were causing a tie that scum could easily take advantage of, move onto whatever wagon denied scum control of the lynch. Unless you were nearly convinced that DDL was town and Luna was scum, in which case, I'd have been super loud, campaigning, mentioning people to try and get them in thread to move at least one vote and avoid the tie.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:03 pmI think it’s relevant. What would you have had me do?speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:00 pmI don't agree with the gameplay style, but that's neither here nor there I guess.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:47 pmWagon consolidation can suck an egg when I suspect scum manipulation at MYLO. DDL received votes from just about everybody with zero resistance and I panicked. I was convinced he was the easy mislynch scapegoat.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:23 pmThis is the messiest vote all game. A tie at MYLO between scum and not scum. I wasn't around for deadline, and I don't think Sabie was either. So @Sloonei @nutella know you've stated your stance on Luna, but in general what made you think it was okay to tie the lynch at MYLO? Why ignore wagon consolidation?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:01 pm Dragon D. Luffy - 3 Voters: G-Man, speedchuck, Lunalee
Lunalee - 3 Voters: S~V~S, Sloonei, nutella
nutella - 1 Voter: Dragon D. Luffy
speedchuck - 1 Voters: sabie12
When I moved to luna, as I’ve said, it was more for the sake of generating discussion on somebody else rather than a specific target (luna). But the votes that followed stuck there and at the end of the day I thought she was our best bet to avoid the obvious DDL mislynch.
I don't agree with the gameplay style, but that's neither here nor there I guess.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:47 pmWagon consolidation can suck an egg when I suspect scum manipulation at MYLO. DDL received votes from just about everybody with zero resistance and I panicked. I was convinced he was the easy mislynch scapegoat.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:23 pmThis is the messiest vote all game. A tie at MYLO between scum and not scum. I wasn't around for deadline, and I don't think Sabie was either. So @Sloonei @nutella know you've stated your stance on Luna, but in general what made you think it was okay to tie the lynch at MYLO? Why ignore wagon consolidation?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:01 pm Dragon D. Luffy - 3 Voters: G-Man, speedchuck, Lunalee
Lunalee - 3 Voters: S~V~S, Sloonei, nutella
nutella - 1 Voter: Dragon D. Luffy
speedchuck - 1 Voters: sabie12
When I moved to luna, as I’ve said, it was more for the sake of generating discussion on somebody else rather than a specific target (luna). But the votes that followed stuck there and at the end of the day I thought she was our best bet to avoid the obvious DDL mislynch.
Yeah, that was my bad. That whole game was my bad. I'm loud.sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:36 pm In that space force game I might add I was right about dizzy being the other baddie and no one believed me because I voted dizzy and everyone else voted quin who got lynched and flipped bad. People gave me flack for that and then I ended up getting killed off and then ultimately we ended up losing in the end.
This sentiment in the first paragraph rings really true. I hate being the MYLO mislynch. I've been trying to work on not being a jerk at endgame, but a good example would be the recent game SPACE FORCE. I just about went mental because I was, for some time, being shoehorned into the MYLO mislynch basket. It wasn't pretty.sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:03 pmI dont know really. I just am going to feel really bad if I get mislynched and then the civs lose. Then people will be all well if only you tried harder and did this instead of that. I don't want everyone to be upset with me because it'll be my fault we lose.
As to the point sloonei just made I have suspected speed before and have voted for him before. It is still possible he could be bad. If sloonei isnt bad and nutellas only real thing is the voting against svs. I guess i can see how mamaymamaybmamaymamaybe she thought the svs lynch was too easy I almost thought that too. maybe we should be looking at speed?
This is the messiest vote all game. A tie at MYLO between scum and not scum. I wasn't around for deadline, and I don't think Sabie was either. So [mention]Sloonei[/mention] [mention]nutella[/mention] know you've stated your stance on Luna, but in general what made you think it was okay to tie the lynch at MYLO? Why ignore wagon consolidation?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:01 pm Dragon D. Luffy - 3 Voters: G-Man, speedchuck, Lunalee
Lunalee - 3 Voters: S~V~S, Sloonei, nutella
nutella - 1 Voter: Dragon D. Luffy
speedchuck - 1 Voters: sabie12
As opposed to a townie, who would be legitimately engaged?Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:14 pmI have to start somewhere.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:08 pmIt sounds more like you're tinfoiling me based on the Luna nightkill happening.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:55 pm My tinfoil against speedchuck has to do with his behavior today: he enters the day least likely of all to be lynched. He killed Luna because she’s the most likely to see through his suit of bull. He acts all concerned by peppering us with questions today just to pad his image while we continue to convince ourselves thay sabie is the best lynch.
But it was actually your series of questions for each of us that got me thinking. If your bad, your path to victory is very easy. All you need to do is keep up the appearance of a townie for ~24 hours. The easiest way to do that is to ask everyone questions and appear engaged.
It sounds more like you're tinfoiling me based on the Luna nightkill happening.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:55 pm My tinfoil against speedchuck has to do with his behavior today: he enters the day least likely of all to be lynched. He killed Luna because she’s the most likely to see through his suit of bull. He acts all concerned by peppering us with questions today just to pad his image while we continue to convince ourselves thay sabie is the best lynch.
From DDL's side, though, the nutella/DDL interactions look somewhat team-compatible. DDL's tip-toeing, and then blaming the rest of town when they didn't want to lynch nutella... DDL doesn't want to commit. Either because he fears Miss Best Civilian 2019 or because he doesn't want to lynch a teammate. Given nutella's ISO, I lean former on that. But I see room for the latter.speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:56 pm Cynical look at DDL
On the one hand, I noted this interaction as well. But DDL downplaying it, even on D1, is off. Why keep it down? Why not go after her and see what happens? It's D1.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:14 pmNutella I can't help it, it's an involuntary reaction. You say scummy things and it triggers my scumdar. I have to use all my willpower just to keep it down.nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:47 pmCome on you have played with me in the last year.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:01 pmThe way you start the sentence with "lol" before throwing shade at someone then saying you won't "necessarily" vote for them triggered my senses.nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:29 pmLol last time someone called Luna out for not practicing what she was preaching she was bad
I don't necessarily suspect her for it here though. Only so much one can do
But we only have 4.5 hours so yeah who should we start grouping votes onto? I'd love to hear thoughts other than my own
Why not? Is DDL usually this hesitant to step out and DO things? And is he afraid of losing a valuable player, or of the repercussions?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:21 pm This is normally the point where I'd be reading a reasonable LC defense and looking for a more serious wagon but LC hasn't posted again yet.
What do I do? I don't wanna pull the trigger on Nutella either.
I know it could be the former, but despite the joking tone, these posts feel like walking on glass.
When Mac goes after the same post, DDL doubles down and then still tiptoes. Somehow. So DDL is doing the same thing that he's accusing nutella of, in a way. Only she masks it in humor and he in hesitance and 'careful' play. Which, of course, it could be.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:31 amIt's not just the "lol", it's the whole package of word usage. I'm going a little Epi here, but I believe he is right when he says people tend to put specific words to make their points feel weaker than they are, so they don't really take responsibility for it. Hence the adverbs thing.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:31 pmIn the above post this reads like a Mafia player latching on to a town made case. She is also exhibiting "the Russ" by casting doubt in both directions. This serves to pacify both Speechuck and Lunalee towards her at the same time. It's made even more genius by the fact that speedchuck wasn't even really explicitly suspecting lunalee, and nutella escalated it to that in a way to make it seem like speedchuck did. What you do here as mafia is go back and blame speedchuck when lunalee flips town. Not outright, but "speedchuck pointed out that she was being hypocritical and I agreed" is a good cover for raising a bad case.nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:29 pmLol last time someone called Luna out for not practicing what she was preaching she was bad
I don't necessarily suspect her for it here though. Only so much one can do
But we only have 4.5 hours so yeah who should we start grouping votes onto? I'd love to hear thoughts other than my own
You can see in the below post that DDL saw something samesuch in the post. He simplified it down to her use of the term "lol". I think he felt something else and struggled to quantify it. Speak to that for me DDL.
Nutella wants to throw shade at people but she also wants to let us know she is not sure about it. Fine. But she colors it with "lol"s and emotes to mae it look more friendly than she should considering the fact she is, you know, throwing shade at people. There is a disconnect between the tone and the actions.
First sentence she opens with a friendly lol then attacks Luna on meta. Then second sentence she backs down, davalues her own post, and finishes it with a friendly emote. Then third sentence she passes the ball to other people and asks for a wagon. It could be the Luna wagon she just offered, it could be someone else.
I could see a civ doing everything I just described, especially a careful civ like nutella, but I could also see the baddie line of thought behind the whole thing. I think it applies to the rest of the case you build on nutella, too. That's why she is so hard to read, her civ and bad metas are similar.
I don't think the nutella case was serious. It has been a consistent thing, and right here is where DDL tries to bring it to the masses. And like everything else in this game, it gets ignored.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:32 am Guys how likely it is that a baddie nutella would off Mac to silence him?
WIFOM much?
We've been sitting on town lynches for days, so like with Sloon/nutella, I have to question whether this was worth doing. It is worth trying to suggest a lynch when the game is self-destructing perfectly fine on its own?
But then again, this is a pretty opportunistic take, right or wrong. Not a difficult thing to throw out there.
Meta can go die in a fire.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:50 pmAnd what is a hallmark of your baddie style, then? Because last I checked you also do all those things when you are bad. Mac is right, you are not that obvious to read.nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:38 pm do you guys seriously want to lynch me for "weasel words" what is it 2016???
I wonder if DDL really believes what he is saying because he has seen me play a lot in the last couple years and he must know that the "lols" etc are a hallmark of my civ style. He's harping a bit too much on this one thing and then going "well whatever her civ and bad metas are too similar so who knows" like he's soft-pushing an easy target but backing off/not taking responsibility
I'm not soft pushing, I'm putting all possibilities on the table. The way you are acting is perfectly reasonable for a baddie to act.
You say you are always on the fence, which is true, but then you use that as a shield to act the same way as bad and win games because no one wants to lynch "on the fence" nutella anymore.
This post doesn't look all that bad, in isolation. It's true. It's also really self-aware, and so it could be made from either perspective.
Reywas didn't end up getting lynched, and DDL's follow-through the following day didn't look great. But then, there were a lor of people that ended up on Reywas. Hindsight bias here. My promised cynicism taints these posts, when really we'd have to look at Reywas' behavior. Obviously some of us thought Rey was bad or we wouldn't have voted there. If you look at these thinking Rey is bad, DDL's posts look a little low-effort but not horrible.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:58 am I proposed a nutella lynch. People didn't wanted. They wanted you or sprityo. I waited till the end to see which one to change to. You looked like the better wagon.
I'm not a super-hero, I can't guess who the scum is and force other people to vote for them.
This was before I read DDL's progression/posts and decided to vote there instead.speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:16 pmBetween this and some later stuff, there is strooong anti-alignment here.nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:47 pmCome on you have played with me in the last year.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:01 pm The way you start the sentence with "lol" before throwing shade at someone then saying you won't "necessarily" vote for them triggered my senses.
Recency bias is the new meta? Thanks, I hate it. Nutella didn't need another waffle flavor.
<snip as time passes with posts not relevant to question>
Nutella's play seems to drop off significantly once the suspicion from mac happens. Around the time Sloonei comes into the game. Some suspicion on Reywas, looks about normal. A push at DDL once he tries to further the Mac suspicion. A push at me. A giant shrug at the townreads in the thread. Nothing that horrible, unless you conflate the motives for the DDL push with more no u at mac's case. Nothing that stands out and reverse pings me into town territory.Nutella and Mac and DDL have already exhausted discussion on this, but I want to know where everyone stands on nutella's alignment, specifically regarding the Enri lynch and the actions surrounding it. I don't want to false binary today, but my vote will likely end up sitting between Nutella and DDL, unless something changes my mind. I don't think they are aligned. Not as scum. Not as town.Spoiler: show
And right now (having just finished nutella's ISO) nutella looks weirder. I still need to read DDL's posts more thouroughly
Semi-cleared, based on DDL. I'll quote the posts that led to that in a minute.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:29 pmWhy did you clear nutella earlier?speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:27 pmI can't help but tinfoil, though. We've had two days of easy lynches. Maybe that's just because Sabie's been busy and couldn't help her teammates, and they condemned themselves with their own interactions...nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:12 pmAgreed. Occam's razor and all that. I think this game really is that simple especially because as you said they'd been coasting for a while.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:11 pm
My gut and everything else tells me to go with sabie. I think this game was dead for the first 4 days and scum were just coasting by as we all lynched each other helplessly. I don’t think they felt the need to do anything extraordinary. Them we caught one, then another, and now there’s one exposed baddie left.
No stone left unturned, I guess would be my motto going into today. This comeback has been legendary and dropping the ball now without working through all our options would be awful.
I can't help but tinfoil, though. We've had two days of easy lynches. Maybe that's just because Sabie's been busy and couldn't help her teammates, and they condemned themselves with their own interactions...nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:12 pmAgreed. Occam's razor and all that. I think this game really is that simple especially because as you said they'd been coasting for a while.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:11 pm
My gut and everything else tells me to go with sabie. I think this game was dead for the first 4 days and scum were just coasting by as we all lynched each other helplessly. I don’t think they felt the need to do anything extraordinary. Them we caught one, then another, and now there’s one exposed baddie left.
I think that's too many levels of WIFOM. You think Sloonei is scum because he's prompting a reason to townread Sabie in order for her to overexplain it... so that Sloonei can double down and catch her in her own fake WIFOM?nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:15 pmI agree, but to answer your question in the following post, it also occurred to me that you could have done it in order to make the comment that you did to set up sabie.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:51 pmI think it’s worth talking about.
My answer was going to be “yes”, and my reasoning was going to be basically what she just laid out in her post above. If sabie is bad, she sees the writing on the wall. She needs to shake it up. An easy way to do that would be to kill off the person she’s been pushing suspicion against and see if she can shift some blame onto somebody else.
That’s exactly what she’s going for, in her own words.
Can you explain the TMI thing here?
I don't know how serious this was, but it's a thing.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:01 pm Is it LyLo??? Is it MyLo? It's something like that, but we don't No Lynch in the Socky Awards.
I'm not saying you can't investigate it, of course. Hypocrisy is a staple of the town picnic. Or something.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:43 pmGo ahead and look into me for that. I know my alignment. I don't know nutella's. I am speculating about her involvement, but there's nothing for me to speculate about regarding myself.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:38 pmDDL did mostly the same thing to her as well.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:31 pm nutella treats DDL with a bit more reservation. She never initiates anything against him, but supports cases that others have made against him. This is not out of character for a civilian nutella. She supports his lynch when he is the primary candidate, but switches the moment an alternative pops up during a likely MYLO. That's a concern.
Help.
And who initiated that alternative? I know hindsight is 20/20, but it almost looks like you just set a trap for nutella.
DDL did mostly the same thing to her as well.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:31 pm nutella treats DDL with a bit more reservation. She never initiates anything against him, but supports cases that others have made against him. This is not out of character for a civilian nutella. She supports his lynch when he is the primary candidate, but switches the moment an alternative pops up during a likely MYLO. That's a concern.
Help.
Catching up.
Because you didn't?Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:26 pmHOW IS THAT NOT A GOOD LOOK FOR ME. I ALMOST DIED.speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:21 pm So G-Man is town.
I am suddenly even more unsure as to the rest of you. Though, just looking at the votes... That was hella dangerous. I think we can figure out a lot from that.
linki: Might not be a good look for Luna either. This vote would have been easy to sway.