The Syndicate

Yeah if you're looking for another game, Steely Dan should be first consideration. Thing needs to be started.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:31 pm So Speedchuck really did give Jack the Handsome Jack role. Like come the fuck on.

It was random. Shaddup.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:47 pm Sloonei’s kill and Mac advising it was good play. Sprityo’s targeting was good play, as were his instincts on Epi. The judge shot on Luna was good play.

Flavor was awesome and made me way to play Borderlands. Roles were fun. Thanks for hosting, Speed.

Thanks for playing!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:48 pm I think the setup was townsided. Change my mind.

1) The town has an unmisdirectable, unblockable and above all unkillable doc who had the benefit of the net knowledge of all dead players. They know if scum fakeclaims a janitor role and will rarely protect a deepwolf. They get potential Leroy, acolyte, oracle and cop knowledge. Soupkill is the only answer the mafia has to this and it only works if the player the mafia wants gone has claimed.

2) The town had 4 killing roles, one of which can kill after death. The mafia has no vests, doctor, redirect or block to deal with these abilities.

3) The town has two roles that can confirm several players (cop and pope) and a player. The mafia has no cloak or redirect and the town has no millers or insane info gatherers. The existence of the acolyte meant the mafia will very rarely be able to claim cop so the cop’s word is basically impossible to fight.

4) The mafia’s main advantage is a lack of flips. However, the oracle and clown combo and vigilante basically remove this advantage altogether. Even if the vig and oracle go down early, the cop or the muse can provide “flips.”

That all said, the town absolutely outplayed the mafia and earned the win. The town made several good plays. The scum made several mistakes.

Also, I like soup combined with scum janitored kills as a mechanic because it encourages less than one townie to claim at a time and prevents the cop+doc combo.

Dead Mafia can block the angel protect once per game. Angel's do not block soupkill. Angel protect stops working once the game gets too small.

If you hadn't lost a scum to judge d1, Oracle and priest would have been feeding you info about the checks they were doing, negating some of that stuff.

Soupkill and witches curse were never used this game. Soupkill could be used every single night if you have any knowledge to nullify angel protect.

I have seen town do this before. I have also seen town kill themselves with a vig/dob combo and get souped to nothing on d3, with all three scum still alive

The setup might be slightly town sided, but it is more swingy than anything. The d1 scum death really started that swing.

And jack, you were one day away from winning. Might have if your dead teammates had blocked the night 3 angels.

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:35 pm Is this something epi does regularly? He had me totally thrown. I didn't get it.

Pretty sure he was just having fun and trolling the mafia team to make it harder for them to suss out roles.

Quick analysis notes to start off because I'm low on time:

Day one lynch is really bad for mafia. Day one judgekill is even worse.
This is a very swing-y game. If Jack had managed to kill nutella and managed one more day he probably could have soupkilled to victory.
The wrong roles made it to endgame. Even deadchat was convinced that scum was Sprit or Jack. But Jack couldn't counterclaim with nutella alive, and didn't gamble it.
Town did some gambling as well. If there were two scum left on the last day, the claims would have sunk the game entirely.
Leeroy and Judge are two roles that can cause more harm than good. In this game they were incredibly pro-town.

Alas, Epi never managed to get his revenge-kill off, despite taunting the entire thread all game.

Just some random thoughts. Well played to all, regardless. Game was closer than it looked.

Did any of you enjoy the game?

Observerchat: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/6kdEhEM7Z6H
Deadchat: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/R55PGatY8WG
Mafia Chat 1: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/tvWLtbwvDUcyN
Mafia Chat 2: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/YLA48AYLPev
Mafia Chat 3: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/nQTFZEPhBKhu

Roles:

sprityo - 1 Priest
nutella - 2 Acolyte
Neverwhere - 3 Judge
juliets - 4 Vigilante
Macdougall - 5 Oracle
novaselinever - 6 Martyr
Sloonei - 7 Leeroy
sabie12 - 8 Pope
Epignosis - 9 D.O.B.
Spacedaisy - 10 Clown

Lunalee - 11 Demon
jackofhearts2003 - 12 Occultist
muugen - 13 Necromancer

(I did not purposefully put JackofHearts2005 in as Handsome Jack)

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Actions:

DAY ONE

Nutella was told that Sprityo is the Priest
Lunalee (scum) was killed by the Judge
Novaselinever was given Butt Stallion

NIGHT ONE

Angels protected no one.
Mafia sent a faction kill at Juliets
Nova the Martyr was informed that Juliets would die, and he ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN THE FIEND
Sprityo the Priest checked Novaselinenever, was told that Nova is town
Mac the Oracle checked Novaselinenever, learned that there were two scum alive at the start of the night
Spacedaisy the Clown tossed a pie at Epignosis the D.O.B, Epi was informed that a pie hit him
Angels were informed of Nova's alignment, Town
Mafia were informed that the Angels protected nobody, and that Juliets was the Vigilante.

DAY TWO

Sabie (Pope) was lynched

NIGHT TWO

Angels protected Macdougall.
Mafia sent a faction kill at Nova.
Sprityo the Priest checked Spacedaisy, was told that she is town.
Mac the Oracle checked Novaselinenever, learned that there were two scum alive at the start of the night.
Spacedaisy the Clown tossed a pie at Nova the Martyr, Nova was informed that a pie hit him
Angels were informed of Spacedaisy's alignment, Town.
Mafia were informed that the Angels protected Macdougall, and that Nova was the Martyr.

DAY THREE

SLOONEI THE LEEROY KILLED HIMSELF TO LYNCH MUUGEN THE WILHELM

NIGHT THREE

Angels protected nutella.
Mafia sent a faction kill at nutella.
Sprityo the Priest checked Neverwhere, was told that she is town.
Mac the Oracle checked Spacedaisy, learned nothing.
Spacedaisy the Clown tossed a pie at Nutella the Acolyte, Nutella was informed that a pie hit her
Angels were informed of Neverwhere's alignment, Town.
Mafia were informed that the Angels protected nutella.

DAY FOUR

Jackofhearts2005 (scum) was lynched

I think that's it, and I think I ACTUALLY ran this setup without any mistakes! Wow!

First he tried to talk...

Then he tried to escape...

But it was no good. One last stand was all he could hope for.

And so it ended with

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GAME END

Town (Vault Hunters) Win!

Congrats to sprityo, nutella, Neverwhere, juliets, Macdougall, novaselinever, Sloonei, sabie12, Epignosis, and Spacedaisy!

Post game infodumps, topics, and analysis coming.

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:11 pm I haven't played many games here, but does this poll title hint that there is only one witch left? Or is this just worded that way because we can only lynch one player?

The poll for every day has had a title pointed to a singular culprit. Your latter assumption is fine.

In short, this is all only flavor.

Day 4 start!

Not every mission has to be about murder. Sometimes we can just kick back and eat some cold pizza.

Nobody has been killed!

It is now Day 4. Day ends in just 24 hours at the time represented on the poll. With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to secure a lynch.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:20 pm Quick thing for anyone still doubting mac’s claim: (which if you are like ???????) At least one mafia has to be dead or else we would get some kind of MYLO/LYLO message in some form or another. And effectively lose the entire game next day phase

You will not be notified of MYLO/LYLO in this game

And you should know that phantomEclipse.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:27 pm I'm just now popping on, but how did the Day end now and my poll time says:

Poll ended at Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:10 pm

I am very confused.

I changed the poll time to auto end it early and lock what was there. Early day end due to Leeroy role.

Day 3 Poll

WHAT KIND OF RAKK-EATEN HORSESHOE SENT NOVA ON A RIDE?

Epignosis
0
No votes
Voters: None

jackofhearts2005
0
No votes
Voters: None

Macdougall
0
No votes
Voters: None

Sloonei
4
29%
Voters: Spacedaisy, Neverwhere, Epignosis, MacDougall

muugen
3
21%
Voters: Jackofhearts2005, sprityo, Sloonei

Neverwhere
1
7%
Voters: nutella

nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None

sprityo
0
No votes
Voters: None

Spacedaisy
0
No votes
Voters: None

Dr. NED!!! (Host/Mod/NP)
6
43%

NIGHT THREE

Sloonei was done. This just wasn't going right. With one last shrug, he turned to his opponent.

His lips twitched, then broke into a grin. "LEEEEEROOOOOOY JEEEEEEENKIIIIIINS!" he howled, pulling out two guns.

Muugen pulled out a gun as well, and got in a few shots. Sloonei was wounded and going down, but he got one last shot off.

Sloonei DIED in a hail of gunfire. He was Salvador, the Leeroy! Might he rest in peace.

Muugen, already crippled from the onslaught, was LYNCHED!

NIGHT THREE HAS BEGUN, AND WILL LAST FOR 26-ish HOURS.

CERTAIN NIGHT ACTIONS DEPEND ON OTHER NIGHT ACTIONS, SO YOU NEED TO GET YOUR NIGHT ACTIONS LOCKED IN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THANKS.

PLEASE HOLD

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:56 pm I just have one question about @speedchuck list of kills on the first page. Why is muriel crossed out in front of slooneis name?

Sloonei replaced Muriel due to inactivity.

Day 3 start!

Even our favorites have to go sometimes.

Nova has been killed!

It is now Day 3. Day ends in just 24 hours at the time represented on the poll. With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure a lynch.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:55 pm @speedchuck eh?

Been out all day.

EON POST COMING

NIGHT TWO

Sabie rolled for defense~!

Oh.

Uh.

Sabie was lynched!

NIGHT TWO HAS BEGUN, AND WILL LAST FOR 23-ish HOURS.

CERTAIN NIGHT ACTIONS DEPEND ON OTHER NIGHT ACTIONS, SO YOU NEED TO GET YOUR NIGHT ACTIONS LOCKED IN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THANKS.

Day 2 start!

Some people can't help but follow directions.

Juliets has been killed!

It is now Day 2. Day ends in just over 24 hours at the time represented on the poll. With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to secure a lynch.

Spoiler: show

Early Day start incoming

Please hold

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] has replaced Muriel!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:55 pm @speedchuck can angels stop a soup kill?

No

NIGHT ACTIONS

GET THEM TO ME SOONER RATHER THAN LATER

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:32 pm I need five more to fill Steely Dan Mafia.

It's going to be groovy.

Please sign up.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 14#p516414

Do it.

I have a potential replacement for Muriel. I will try to have someone else in the game by end of night.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:39 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:31 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:29 pm Those gifs are pretty good speedchuck
The full video is even better

I really want to play Tales from the Borderlands just because of this video, but haven't gotten around to it yet.
Hilarious. I need the context for this.

I have no idea

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:29 pm Those gifs are pretty good speedchuck

The full video is even better

I really want to play Tales from the Borderlands just because of this video, but haven't gotten around to it yet.

NIGHT ONE

It started with a single accusation.

Then retaliation...

Hostages were taken...

And further escalation...

Led to annihilation

Then someone with actual killing power came in and finished the job, because all this pointing was getting nowhere.

Lunalee has been killed!

Novaselinever has been declared official rider of the Butt Stallion!

Congrats!

NIGHT ONE HAS BEGUN, AND WILL LAST FOR 24 HOURS.

CERTAIN NIGHT ACTIONS DEPEND ON OTHER NIGHT ACTIONS, SO YOU NEED TO GET YOUR NIGHT ACTIONS LOCKED IN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THANKS.

Please hold

I mean you can keep posting, but yeah. Hold.

Please post in the thread what you're voting for if you are having trouble with the double poll.

JUST UNDER TWO HOURS LEFT IN THE DAY

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:11 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:08 pm Putting two votes to lynch in the first or second half of the poll will result in CONSEQUENCES! BE GOOD!
What?

Putting two votes to lynch in the first or second half of the poll will result in CONSEQUENCES! BE GOOD!

DAY ONE!

The residents of Pandora gather, thirsty for blood and also ponies. Who will fall today in a hail of bullets? Who will receive Butt Stallion, and get a faithful voting buddy?

EXCELLENT QUESTION!

Awwww... She/he came to watch the carnage.

Spoiler: show

Day 1 will last approximately 24 hours, till the time marked in the poll. You may vote to lynch in the poll, as well as voting to Elect Butt Stallion. Putting two votes to lynch in the first or second half of the poll will result in CONSEQUENCES! BE GOOD!

All votes are deadline votes, meaning NO HAMMER. We'll see how that works.

Edit: NO HAMMER BUT YOU STILL NEED 7 VOTES TO LYNCH PEOPLE

There are no hidden game mechanics in this game. The setup is completely open.

It is oddly freeing.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:14 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:13 pm Since this is a majority lynch setup, we decide when someone gets lynched by hammering. I suggested that that someone claims just before getting hammered, not as a plea to avoid the lynch but as giving info to the town.
I think I've only played one game where there was a hammer. I think your idea is good but how would we know we are about to get hammered? Would someone say "I'm going to hammer now so please disclose your role"?

REGARDING HAMMERING:

The lynches in this game require Majority. Generally, in hunt games, people have an option to cast normal lynch votes (which leads to a majority hammer) or to cast 'deadline' lynch votes (votes that only take effect at end of day).

With the existence and widespread use of the poll, that's a little difficult. Polls don't generally distinguish between votes. I will deal with it once D1 begins.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:07 am Does Brick get to choose from any player in case of a tie or no lynch or is he/she limited by to the players involved in the tie/no lynch? This Q to Speedchuck. Any Player

“For the purposes of this game, you may use the Borderlands role or typical tinyhunt role to declare targets.” - I have no idea what any of that means, can someone please explain? In the case of roles or abilities that deal with specific other roles, targeting with 'Maya' or 'The Pope' both work the same, for example.

Death curse: once per game for each wotch or for the wotch team as a whole? Q to speedchuck. Team as a whole.

Do dead witches continue to have btscwoth living witches? This will matter for those that go into Angel chat... q to speedchuck. They do not continue in BTSC.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:14 am What’s the deal with these poll options?

Flavor.

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:43 am I stopped reading thread to reply to this so sorry if the answer is further down, but have you got Lynch times yet? Trying to coordinate with the European time difference.

Whatever the poll currently has as your endtime will be the endtime of every phase.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:41 pm I love me some borderlands or berderlerds as my friends like to call it haha.

My friends call it Boda Lambits

No idea why

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:27 pm So...this shit is basically Dune meets Mad Max?

Yes, that's pretty much exactly it.

But it's a coop loot-based shooter RPG with good comedic writing.

DAY ZERO!

Roles are out, and most people have received them.

Day zero has begun, and will end in 24 hours (Wednesday, April 10th, at 7 PM EST)!

Our story begins with a group of Vault Hunters...

LINKS TO EVENTS

-Day Zero
-Day One
-Night One
-Day Two
-Night Two (Poll from D2)
-Day Three
-Night Three
-Day Four

PLAYERLIST

Epignosis
jackofhearts2005
Macdougall
Neverwhere
nutella
sprityo
Spacedaisy

Lunalee Judge-Killed D1
juliets Killed N1
sabie12 Lynched D2
novaselinever Killed N2
Muriel Sloonei Salvador the Leeroy, killed self D3
muugen Lynched D3

[mention]dunya[/mention] is your Moderator on Duty. Bring any frustrations with other players or concerns to her instead of in the thread.

SETUP

VAULT HUNTERS
Vault Hunters (Town) wins when all Hyperion (Witches) are dead. There are 10 town players.

Mordecai (Priest): Each night, you must check if a player is a witch.

Spoiler: show

Bloodwing (Acolyte): At the start of the game, you learn who the Priest is.

Spoiler: show

Brick (Judge): At the end of day, if the Lynch vote is tied or no lynch (no majority reached), you may pick a player to kill (note: this is NOT a lynch and does not count towards vigilante)

Spoiler: show

Axton (Vigilante): The first Night after townies die to lynches on consecutive days, you may kill a player. A Vigilante kill appears the same as a regular Witch NK.

Spoiler: show

Lilith (Oracle): Each night, pick a player. If that player was visited by any other party, you learn how many Witches were alive at the start of night. (any kill, priest check, clown throw, angel protect - inc. a deathcurse blocked angel protect).

Spoiler: show

Roland (Martyr): You may kill yourself to prevent another player from dying to the nightkill, unless they were killed by a Soup Kill. A Martyr save is obvious. (You will be told ahead of time who is about to die each night and given the option)

Spoiler: show

Salvador (Leeroy): You may kill yourself to immediately determine the Lynch target, so long as a majority has not been reached. A Leeroy lynch is obvious. As an added bonus, you will be informed of the role you kill as Leeroy.

Spoiler: show

Maya (Pope): At the end of a night where 4 or fewer players are alive, you learn which living players are in the coven.

Spoiler: show

Krieg (D.O.B.): When you die, choose another player to die with you. A DoB Revenge kill is obvious.

Spoiler: show

CL4T-TP (Clown): Each night, you may throw a pie at another player. The player hit is informed that the Clown threw a pie at them. If you hit the Pope or Leeroy, they are also told your identity.

Spoiler: show

HYPERION
Hyperion (Witches) win when all Vault Hunters (townies) are dead or nothing can prevent this from happening. Witches can freely communicate with each other and have a nightly kill. There are 3 witches.

Nisha (Demon): Each night, you are informed of who the Priest and Oracle visited, but not who visited which player.

Spoiler: show

Handsome Jack (Occultist): Each night, you are informed of the Angel's Protection target.

Spoiler: show

Wilhelm (Necromancer): Each night you learn the roles of players killed by the Witch Night Kill.

Spoiler: show

MECHANICS

Timing: Day/night will be 24/24 hours.

Lynches: Lynches are Majority. If votes are too spread apart, a lynch will not happen. Example: Game starts with 13 players. One player must receive 7 votes to be lynched.

Deaths: Roles are not revealed upon death. (Yes, this includes lynches.)

Warrior (Soup) Kill: At night, instead of making the group Night Kill, a witch may instead choose to drink Soup. Doing so allows them to Match a player to an Innocent role one at a time until they are incorrect or choose to stop. Each correctly Matched player dies.

A successful Match will only give the 'so and so died' message. On an incorrect match, the message is 'Xanthippe the Witch attempted to Soupkill Yolanda the [incorrect role], but failed', but if no players have been killed that night with Soup, the identity of the Witch is not revealed - 'A Witch attempted to Soupkill Amelia the [incorrect role], but failed'.

For the purposes of this game, you may use the Borderlands role or typical tinyhunt role to declare targets.
For town, roleclaim if you wish. It just gives the scumteam free kills.

Butt Stallion, the Faithful Diamond Horse: On Day 1, there is a plurality vote for Butt Stallion to be a player's friend (witches choose who wins a tie). BS always Lynch votes the same as her friend, adding an extra vote. If BS's friend dies, BS leaves the game.

New-U (Angels): Dead players become Angels in a private chat. Each Night, the Angels decide by plurality vote to Protect a player (tie = no protect). A Protected player can't die to regular kills that night (vig/witch nk). "No Protect" is a valid vote.

Angels get the results of Priest checks at the end of each night. Angels are unable to give Protection when there are four or fewer living players at the start of night. Angels may also protect the same player more than once.

Death Curse: Once per game during Day, dead Witches may cast a Death Curse, which renders any Protection that Night ineffective. After casting a Death Curse, the Witch may not vote any further in Angel chat (but can still post in it). Living players are not informed of a Death Curse. Angels are not informed of a Death Curse until the end of that night.

Witches Last Gasp: If a Witch dies to a standard lynch (not judge or leeroy), their power continues to work for the coven that night.

Night Kill Survival: If a player survives being killed at night there is no public announcement made. However, the player is told privately that they survived.

RULES

-Only living players may post in the game thread (I'll allow off-topic dead or non-player stuff, but be careful please)
-You may not edit or delete posts from the game thread or in any private chats you may be posting in
-You may not privately communicate with anyone except the game moderator unless you're specifically allowed to do so (i.e. the private chats for Witches or Angels). This includes using systems outside the scope of the game to communicate something game related.
-Be Nice! We're all playing to have fun here
-If you do not vote for two days running you will be modkilled and removed from the game or replaced if there is a replacement available. If modkilled, you will lose the game regardless of your faction win. Don't let that happen to you!

Priority matters

Day Action Priority
Start of day + announcements
Day ends
Lynch if majority, allow judge to pick if no majority or no lynch (if alive)
(Day 1 only) Butt Stallion joins her friend
DoB Revenge if lynched
Witches Death Curse
Vigilante informed if he can kill

Night Action Priority
Angel Protect
Kills (Vigilante, Witch nk/soup)
DoB Revenge if killed
Martyr Save
Pope player count check
Info roles resolve - Priest, Oracle, Clown target, Pope, Angels, Demon, Occultist and Necro get info

VAULT HUNT

A game of Hunters, Coorporations, Guns, and MORE GUNS!

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