The Syndicate

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nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:26 pm Yall Epi was so obviously bad for the last several phases idk why you didn't lynch him lol gg

Tried. A little.

But MYLO was so damned frustrating for me I assumed we were shitting in our own corn flakes. So I switched and fulfilled that prophecy myself. Well played Ted, Epi.

. . .

Is Tedxstr a bot?

But is juliets in that game?

what?

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:17 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:15 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:13 pm We still have a chance - there should be no question who to lynch tomorrow I don't think.

Depends on who is still alive. If there are 2 scum tomorrow, and 2 town, and Dizzy was dedede...

We boned.

If that were the case wouldn't the game be over now?

I mean, the mafia could try to kill the wrong person? Technically.

Or 3P shenannigans.

But I hope you are correct!

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:13 pm We still have a chance - there should be no question who to lynch tomorrow I don't think.

Depends on who is still alive. If there are 2 scum tomorrow, and 2 town, and Dizzy was dedede...

We boned.

Or no, we would have been tied. Yeah, ashamed.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:07 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:05 pm If it was in fact ted, I am surprised and ashamed.

I think it is. How else to explain his behavior. But there is no need to be ashamed.

I mean, I could have just shut up and let things play out.

And

Well, I would have been lynched when Ted switched to me instead. Fair enough.

If it was in fact ted, I am surprised and ashamed.

Welp.

At least it wasn't me.

GG Tranq. If you're third party and Epi spent the whole day voting his teammate, I applaud them.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:53 pm Nope. If Tranq fooled me I can live with it but if speed and ted fooled me I will just give up.

If Tranq fooled you and it's Tranq and Epi we are gonna have wooooords

Welp here's hoping I was right

Ted isn't even self-preserving. And people think he's mafia.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:40 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:30 pm I believe, with about 90% certainty, that voting for Ted will hand mafia the game. It won't matter whether I'm alive if the game is lost.

What do you propose?

Voting Tony.

If Tranq is scum and Juliets's thing is wrong, Tony is scum with him. If you're scum, same.

Win/win.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:35 pm All Dogs Go to Heaven

Still great.

I've never seen it.

2-way tie, then. Whatever.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:30 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:29 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:28 pm @speedchuck you've put yourself in a tie for the lead.

Yes, I have. Would you like to join me?

Even if I changed my vote to Tony it would still be a 3 way tie.

Then I hope someone else joins us too.

I believe, with about 90% certainty, that voting for Ted will hand mafia the game. It won't matter whether I'm alive if the game is lost.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:28 pm @speedchuck you've put yourself in a tie for the lead.

Yes, I have. Would you like to join me?

I'm not going to waste the last day securing the Ted vote.

Out of the 6 remaining players, he's my 4th choice for lynch. Boo.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:05 pm It would be just my luck - bad luck - if it really is Tranq and Epi.

If there's the SLIGHTEST CHANCE it could be Tranq I want to vote him.

SLIIIIGHTEST

Seriously go look at his ISO with sloonei. It isn't long.

I've independently agreed with his reads. I was not looking at only his posts today, but dove into ISOs myself.

I'm doing DnD now, and will keep an eye on votes and such.

Jay: *Does a POE for who might be in the other mafia team*
Champions: *vote for everyone outside of Jay's POE*
Jay: "Am I a joke to you?"

Agreed.

[VOTE: ted] aubergine mention me if you guys want to switch to tony

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:34 pm What i'm getting out of todays interactions and people's willingness to lynch each other, is this:

Epignosis:
NOT teammate with Tony: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 51#p594551, http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 55#p594555, http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 77#p594577
NOT teammate with Ted: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 75#p594475, http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 31#p594631
NOT teammate with speedchuck: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 62#p594662, http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 60#p594660

speedchuck:
NOT teammate with Tony: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 59#p594659, http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 51#p594551, http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 55#p594555
NOT teammate with Epignosis: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 62#p594662, http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 60#p594660

tedxtr:
NOT teammate with Epignosis: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 75#p594475, http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 31#p594631

TonyStarkPrime:
NOT teammate with Epignosis: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 51#p594551, http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 55#p594555, http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 77#p594577
NOT teammate with speedchuck: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 59#p594659, http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 51#p594551, http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 55#p594555

A tedxtr team with speedchuck is possible.
A tedxtr team with TonyStarkPrime is possible.

So i'm leaving my vote where it is. EoD is around 2am for me, but ill try to check in before that.

What about other day's interactions?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:45 pm I see.

I'm going to play a game with the family. I will return later.

I'm going to keep working. In office. On the weekend. Because I have to.

Yaaaaay.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:37 pm I pulled those posts before you said anything meaningful about ted.

I know. It was a linki. I was lamenting the coincidence.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:27 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:17 pm [VOTE: Epignosis.] aubergine

I've done my due diligence searching through ISOs for compatibility today. I hope you all can do the same.

So speed is there something in particular you saw in Epi's posts that brings you to this?

I went to Epi's ISO and searched 'Sloonei'

That's all.

I mostly found Epi and Sloonei constantly shrugging at each other, and agreeing or disagreeing with each other on some reads. Epi might disagree with my characterization. Go take a look yourself, it's not that long.

I'd take a bunch of quotes from it and create an ISO, but I'm not feeling it. Besides, JJJ did that a few days ago, associated Mac and Sloonei with everyone, and nobody gave a crap. Me doing it isn't going to help.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:29 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:16 pm Actually Ted's whole ISO is full of 'Sloonei/Tony are town'. Sloonei also suspected Ted at one point. It's a weird mix of buddying and distancing that doesn't look like teammate behavior.

Nor have I seen scum get as far in the tunnel as Ted did on G-man.

If Ted is scum with Epi they've been doing a piss-poor job of it today. Could be distancing. Unlikely.

Just based on compatibility I don't think Ted's it. I've scumread him independently all game, pretty much, but he doesn't fit Sloonei and Mac, nor with the other teams available.

I think it's Epi/Tony. (Assuming the best of the Tranq thing.)

linki: Epi trying to link Ted and I together.

"I don't think ted is bad" - Speed's Defense of Ted

"Epi is trying to link ted and I together" - Speed is scum with Ted

Explain to me how this works.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Building hypothetical scumteams. It's what I'm doing. It's what you're doing.

That post was simply me lamenting the fact that you're trying to hypothesize a team with me and Ted on it... right as I defended Ted. Are you seeing something else there?

[VOTE: Epignosis.] aubergine

I've done my due diligence searching through ISOs for compatibility today. I hope you all can do the same.

Actually Ted's whole ISO is full of 'Sloonei/Tony are town'. Sloonei also suspected Ted at one point. It's a weird mix of buddying and distancing that doesn't look like teammate behavior.

Nor have I seen scum get as far in the tunnel as Ted did on G-man.

If Ted is scum with Epi they've been doing a piss-poor job of it today. Could be distancing. Unlikely.

Just based on compatibility I don't think Ted's it. I've scumread him independently all game, pretty much, but he doesn't fit Sloonei and Mac, nor with the other teams available.

I think it's Epi/Tony. (Assuming the best of the Tranq thing.)

linki: Epi trying to link Ted and I together.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:00 am Sloonei town

TSP town

Epi scum

Catch y’all later

This would be a crazy post for Ted to make D0 if he were scum with Sloonei and Tony.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:47 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:49 pm Let's say that Juliets is out. Let's assuming tranq is 3P and out. That leaves four players: myself, Epi, Tony, and Ted.

I have to pick ONE of Epi, Tony, and Ted to be town. The other two would be scum.

That's proving really difficult.

Which two if you had to say right now?

Haven't reviewed Ted yet. Narrowing it down to 2/2 isn't helpful.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:28 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:25 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:08 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:55 am

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:09 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:04 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:03 pm

Good thought, but unlikely. TH tried to use the bow again on Night 5 but it was blocked, so he still had it on him when he died Day 6.

Okay so 3P secrets kill one

Yes, that's been my assumption aswell.

Who do you think the 2 remaining mafia members are, @TonyStarkPrime ?

@juliets town didn't kill Sloonei?

speed, no disrespect intended, why have you directed this question to me? I was not a party in this conversation.

Yes. Question directed at you.

You're townclearing tranq, best I can tell, for killing Sloonei.
Tranq does not think town killed sloonei.

That makes no sense.

speed, I'm sorry you're frustrated and I'm sorry this is confusing but I've said as much as I can say about Tranq.

Even if you believe Tranq is bad there has to be one other bad guy. Maybe it's best if we pool efforts and try to get at that. We're not going to win if we don't figure that out.

I am no longer enjoying this.

I can't actually move forward with a big question mark over Tranq like you are suggesting. It HEAVILY affects my game solving.

Asking for a coherent stance on a player's alignment in MYLO should not be unreasonable.

Let's say that Juliets is out. Let's assuming tranq is 3P and out. That leaves four players: myself, Epi, Tony, and Ted.

I have to pick ONE of Epi, Tony, and Ted to be town. The other two would be scum.

That's proving really difficult.

At the same time, we had this before the Sloonei lynch:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:05 pm Are you a Master???

Epignosis - Definitely could be. People defending you are clueless. That's to your advantage though, so hats off sir.
Jackofhearts2005 - This would surprise me. Jack's got a Socky for this sort of thing so it's not impossible. But it would surprise me.
juliets - She technically could be. I don't really see it, but yanno she's a quality player and shouldn't be underestimated.
Michelle - At this point she's odds on, I think. There aren't many alternatives!
Sloonei - Very good chance. The stars are aligned.
speedchuck - After last night's meltdown, I suspect not? He hates appeal to emotion, and that would have been the worst kind.
tedxtr - Sure, could be. There aren't any good reasons to say otherwise.
TonyStarkPrime - At this point Tony would surprise me the most. I hope it happens.
Tranq - lol sure why not

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:25 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:19 pm Can you expand on your TSP read?

He fits with Sloonei and Sloonei fits with him

The Mac interaction isn't quite like that. Something's gotta give. I struggle to see a Master team that isn't two of these three people: Epignosis, Tony, Tranq

This was Jay's end read on Tony. It's worth looking into. Jay had Tony as a top town read, and the interactions with Mac bolstered that, but the interactions with Sloonei apparently damned him.

Just because there are so few people compatible with Sloonei. It would make more sense for Tony to distance with Mac than with Sloonei, given the attitude of Mac in the game.

I'm not willing to clear Tony from my suspect list.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:08 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:55 am

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:09 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:04 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:03 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:55 am

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:52 am

If you think i'm bad, who's my teammate? Name someone.
How would you explain the Night 7 GOAT kill on Sloonei?

someone else got the bow

Good thought, but unlikely. TH tried to use the bow again on Night 5 but it was blocked, so he still had it on him when he died Day 6.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:08 pm I want to be buried with my bow

Okay so 3P secrets kill one

Yes, that's been my assumption aswell.

Who do you think the 2 remaining mafia members are, @TonyStarkPrime ?

@juliets town didn't kill Sloonei?

speed, no disrespect intended, why have you directed this question to me? I was not a party in this conversation.

Yes. Question directed at you.

You're townclearing tranq, best I can tell, for killing Sloonei.
Tranq does not think town killed sloonei.

That makes no sense.

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:09 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:04 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:03 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:55 am

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:52 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:22 am He’s part of PoE but i suspect you more.

If you think i'm bad, who's my teammate? Name someone.
How would you explain the Night 7 GOAT kill on Sloonei?

someone else got the bow

Good thought, but unlikely. TH tried to use the bow again on Night 5 but it was blocked, so he still had it on him when he died Day 6.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:08 pm I want to be buried with my bow

Okay so 3P secrets kill one

Yes, that's been my assumption aswell.

Who do you think the 2 remaining mafia members are, @TonyStarkPrime ?

[mention]juliets[/mention] town didn't kill Sloonei?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:07 pm Let me continue, as the day went on and Sig took over the vote count, me and Jack spent the second half of the day trying to convince people to vote for Mac over Sig.

Those pretty good reasons.

Note I'm not accusing you here, I'm verifying your defense.

Thanks Tony, even if it's from you, that insight gives me something to look into.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:39 pm If Mac is scum and is giving up, his team is voting for him or soon will be.

I didn't see many posts before this in your ISO that strongly argued for a mac lynch. I might be wrong, as a lot of things are out of context, but there were several 'lynch another master instead of Mac because mac is useful' posts.

I was not around for those days. Care to speak to the following?
(I have bad looking posts around the time, so I'd like to hear it out.)

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:34 pm I’ll vote Radishes over Mac. I think a Mac lynch is wildly random, he’s at least hunting. In multiball or whatever that might be less effective, but I think his insight has been good.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:22 am I think our best option today is to lynch someone who has high equity for being on the master’s team with Mac and also without Mac.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:24 am That sounds stupid so let’s phrase this differently:
If Mac is scum, is there anyone who is surely also scum?
Lynch them instead.
Mac has a very limited range of possibilities and if we lynch him on autopilot and we’re wrong we risk having no leads on what will soon be a fully powered scum team.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:53 am

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:45 am Tony, I have no idea what you're talking about tbh. That is super confusing to me

Lemme have my science project

Short: I am a contrarian and don’t think we should lynch Mac or G-Man/Sig and am looking for a good other option.

I think everyone was confused at the time, too, but I wasn't completely around. You did vote on/off for Mac during all this, and Mac self-voted/gave up sometime during it.

Basically I am confused.

Positions, compatibility, votes.

We have a lot that JJJ has given us, and no reason to think we was insincere about it (since he was trying to get the other scumteam instead of him.)
We have two Masters dead.
Nine days of votes.
Nine nights of actions.

I feel like we should be able to figure this out instead of POEing a shakily-read scumteam based on townreads of 'I like their efforts/strategy.'

Which, incidentally, is why I haven't voted yet.

When I say 'toneread' I mean you're reading Tony based on his thought process, approach, logical-ness, etc. Rather than Master's compatibility and vote placement, and posts that specifically happened in this game.

It's not that I don't care about any of that. But it's not exactly something I'd use at this point in the game. "I like the way you play" is not enough. People didn't like the way G-man or Colin played. People liked the way Jay played.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:32 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:26 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:24 pm My brain needs a break from this but I do have the same questions Tranq just asked.

speed and Tony, I just can't answer your questions about Tranq at this time, I'm sorry. Maybe later.

That's dumb. You can't even answer whether or not you think he's 3p?

And you can't tell me why you townread Tony?

speed, I don't understand your attitude at all and I can't be concerned with you thinking it's dumb.

I never said I can't tell you why I townread Tony. I like his thought process, he seems logical, he is trying to figure things out. I agree with Tranq's observation that he has shown town strategy and town paranoia. I like the cut of his jib, as Epi would say.

This is day 9. A toneread is not enough.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:24 pm My brain needs a break from this but I do have the same questions Tranq just asked.

speed and Tony, I just can't answer your questions about Tranq at this time, I'm sorry. Maybe later.

That's dumb. You can't even answer whether or not you think he's 3p?

And you can't tell me why you townread Tony?

I plan to do the same before making my vote