The Syndicate

However, the claim is still easily proven even if you don't use it on me, unless your target doesn't get notified. Still think you would have targeted Wilgy last night, but w/e.

So you wanted a role claim and information when your second best scum read gives shaky evidence, but when a strong town read has a large lists of grievances you just hope it goes away and withhold info, you know how you were saying Epi was scummy for withholding info.

I'm pretty sure I know what you you're going to claim, and admit it's a good claim, but the because you didn't do it before, in fact you completely dismissed me will trump the claim.

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Honestly, Realms people, I think the over-reliance on role checks and role reveals and role this and role that is telling on you.

How do you mean?

I think he means we rely more on mechanics as opposed to analysis because of how the meta developed. This was brought up in Phenom as well, but with half of us being represented here, how we get to the mechanical can be jarring, especially in the early game. I think our mechanical aptitude shouldn't be discounted though, without doing the math, and presenting a non-independently confirmed biased factual argument, but our town win rate is just as high as here I'd imagine.

To use Phenom as another example, the first few days were rather hectic with all the reads and counter reads and analysis of seemingly every thing anyone said, it felt akin to watching squirrel herders. However, after Night 2 or 3, the game played out and progressed pretty much like every other game on the Realms would.

Now you take the Realms approach of reliance on early random pressure, info dumps, and often no lynch during day pahses, and where the refusal to capitulate to random pressure with an info dump is often viewed as scum behavior and introduce it into an environment enmasse where it's not a proven method of playing, stuff happens. To me it was the most interesting thing about this game was seeing how the two meshed on a large scale. It's a shame how it's playing out for some with the feeling that the other side is attacking the way the otherside does things, especially once we get to the good part of the game mid-late game, the play is relatively similar and I've enjoyed playing at both places.

Outside of him being a strong player I mean.

If he is a strong player, he wasn't leading the town, removing a leader, mainly the Doctor means that Dom's voice is louder and a Jack lynch is more likely.

CaptainNifty wrote:

Fredwood wrote:Anyway, sorry to see Garrus go, do we learn anything from his death?

Does it seem odd that Cerberus hit Dom to anyone else but me?

The first thing that pops into my head is Jack. While just about everyone is suspicious of him, no one really got under his skin except Dom. I can see 2 scenarios.

1) Jack had his Cerberus pals hit Dom. This is not a particularly likely scenario, but it's possible.
2) Cerberus hit Dom hoping to push the above theory today hoping that the lynch of JoH sticks.

Either way Dom is dangerous to scum and I'm sure that's why they hit him.

Pretty sure going down this road is literally the definition of WiFOM

Well Jack can't kill Dom because it would draw attention to himself, so clearly it must Cerberus trying to frame him.
Well Jack knows that a kill on Dom will look like someone trying to frame him, so it's just the move Jack would do if he was scum
Well Jack can't kill Dom because we all know it would be a smart ploy to kill the obvious to provide cover cus we'll all be wise to it.
Well Jack comes from Australia and as we all know Australia is full of criminals so clearly Jack had to have killed Dom
Well Jack can't have killed Dom because clearly he studies, and he knows that Man is mortal so clearly we can't lynch him
Well Jack had to have killed Dom because knows that we know that knows that he knows...WHAT IN THE WORLD CAN THAT BE?

When all along Jack had slowly built up an immunity to Iacane all along just in case he was ever caught in a battle of wits with a Sicilian.

If we lynch Jack, the Dom kill isn't likely to be a determining factor for me, Dom's death could mean anything in regards to Jack. Much like Silver and the fauxgressiveness condundrum he currently finds himself in.

Is there any other reason to kill Dom if it wasn't to frame Jack, maybe an ISO is in order, but I don't recall Dom having a lot of interaction outside of Jack? If I'm mafia I think the play is to just stay away from that situation entirely Dom is one of the main reasons for Jack's heat, and even part of the cost/benefit value of lynching Jack. Removing one of his biggest detractors devalues the town's benefit for lynching him.

Anyway, sorry to see Garrus go, do we learn anything from his death?

Does it seem odd that Cerberus hit Dom to anyone else but me?

Well the good news is I don't tunnel and the other good news is that no one else seems to give a fuck.

The bad news is I don't like the avoidance of the suspicion, If I were an asshole who was known to tunnel I would understand not wanting to respond...otherwise

Silver Lantern wrote:

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Fredwood wrote:

Silver Lantern wrote:

Fredwood wrote: IR may just naturally buddy with Gfish since they are buddies, so I'm always careful when trying to decipher their interactions. Still I don't think scum teammate IR and Gfish buddy that hard in their first exposure to so many players, I would think opposite no? Maybe another Realmser can weigh in on this.

RE: IR & Gfish. Quite the opposite. Those guys notoriously gun for each other. Nothing friendly about their play towards each other traditionally.

Fair enough, I can re-assess IR. I usually end up playing in Gfish games not being in a game with gfish (the downside of him being my favorite mod...sorry guys), so I may not have the most complete read on their dichotomy.

What do you make of them buddying in this context then? Do you buy them as scummates?

I would say that their buddying is not indicative of scum mates (though I do not know exactly what buddying you're referring to). I think that since they know each other IRL and we're playing with basically half new people, it's natural to sort of stick together. I mean I even want to defend JoH when Synd people are rude to him, imagine that...

That's what I meant, he kind of teamed up against Wilgy with gfish for a while. It makes sense to me that they're buddying because of them knowing each other in a new environment rather then them being scum. I think if they're scum they're already buddying in their BTSC so buddying in the thread is not needed or actively avoided.

If you ever defend Jack...

sprityo wrote:I'm inclined to believe fredwood is town based off his change in style this game so far.

To be fair to my scumplay, I was generally considered town til the end of that game and I only got lynched because people thought I was the SK. Also, I'm a confirmed vanilla townie, so it's kind of rare for me to be this vocal unless I'm outed town. I'm pretty sure my play is much different if I could still Busdrive it's likely I wouldn't be playing like this, I'd be more reserved and neutral, secretly driving Wilgy and Nifty.

Silver Lantern wrote: Fredwood - posts - Claimed some townie... by accident, allegedly...

It wasn't an accident when I claimed, the fuck up forced the claim.

I thought I was depowered by Saren, when I was depowered because EDI died. So when I made a big scene about Saren being in the game I had to backtrack once I realized.

Silver Lantern wrote:

Fredwood wrote: IR may just naturally buddy with Gfish since they are buddies, so I'm always careful when trying to decipher their interactions. Still I don't think scum teammate IR and Gfish buddy that hard in their first exposure to so many players, I would think opposite no? Maybe another Realmser can weigh in on this.

RE: IR & Gfish. Quite the opposite. Those guys notoriously gun for each other. Nothing friendly about their play towards each other traditionally.

Fair enough, I can re-assess IR. I usually end up playing in Gfish games not being in a game with gfish (the downside of him being my favorite mod...sorry guys), so I may not have the most complete read on their dichotomy.

What do you make of them buddying in this context then? Do you buy them as scummates?

Long Con wrote:

Fredwood wrote:Long Con's narrative just makes no sense to me in general. From what I've seen him as scum, I guess I wouldn't be surprised if he deflected his own teammates pressure of who they think is opposite Don, only to resume pressure later. It also wouldn't surprise me if he was a Reaper, knew Vega was a safe claim and then tried to pin Epi in a different way.

What about my "narrative" doesn't make sense to you?

The narrative that you are Cerberus.

So do you want to make sense of the Long Con is Cerberus narrative for me?

Here's why Nifty is pinging me so hard, I figured I had to make a seperate post because a lot of things he did yesterday bothered me, and kept building.

He was on the Epi pressure originally with gfish, despite his rainbow having gfish pretty low on his first rainbow list.


Maybe this is different playstyle, but I really don't follow one of my biggest danger reads on a pressure train, even if it's on my strongest scum reads. Additionally there's no other additional information or explanation about his rainbow list aside from some generic statements in a previous post about gfish epi and myself. To me if you're gonna bother to do a rainbow, at least give people a chance to argue against it...dunno.
That's the only explanation he has for any of his rainbow.

His gfish suspicion seems weak at best, and it's in response to him calling him out. Putting him at the bottom of this list for no other reason then calling you out seems weak.

Another interesting thing here is his statement about me never leaving yellow, but an hour later completely buys my fuck up as innocent after other players just dismiss it as being suspicious.
These post are all kinds of weird to me. The first one is literally the first post after Epi drops his Geth Bomb, it's not a linki, it's 10 minutes after Epi's post. So between the time Epi seemed to be claiming Vega, he switched from Epi to Jack, then the post after Epi plays a gambit, he switches to TSP...what?

The second quote is a response to Jack asking him of the choices between Jack, Epi and Fish who Nifty is most likely to vote for...He responds by saying he's probably going to vote for Silver, but he's going to keep his vote on TSP

So there's 3 legitimate options to vote for, and in a direct question to who you're inclined to vote for you Say you're probably going to vote for a 4th one, but keep your vote on a 5th person? What?

Couple of hours after the previous post, sticks to the belief that Epi is the best lynch between Gfish, Jack and Epi...furthering the safest lynch scenario that Gfish put forward. Also there was plenty of time to come on later and change his vote, in fact he did later, this is with 4 hours left in the phase. It wasn't time to take a stand.
This post isn't important right now, but it will be later. The time of this post was 1pm when Wilgy is clearly pushing for a gfish lynch, and after I had stated Gfish as an alternative to the current lynch targets because WIlgy was so sure of him.

This is his Fish vote, the writing is on the wall at this point. Epi lynch isn't going to happen, and Jack, Dys and I are changing our votes soon. It was stated in thread that we would. Timing doesn't give him credit like nutella's does.

Then his caveat about wanting to vote for him before but there not seeming to be enough traction. BS, Wilgy wanted people to join him earlier, you resisted it. You were asked specifically between 3 options of Epi, Jack and Gfish. You said Epi was better option, but also presented two other options for voting. At no point did you ever push for a Gfish lynch despite some minor bussing and a ceremonial place on your suspect lynch, you hardly mention Gfish.
This last post isn't really proof, but it's the first thing that rubbed me the wrong way. I can buy the mistake of not thinking scum didn't have a roleblock. It could possibly be dissemination.

The bigger problem for me was the last part feels like he's trying to preemptively discredit cops, when everyone already knows scum will have cops. Even a scum cop that catches other scum is still good for the town. It feels a very strange thing to bring up in response to a role block


Anyway...that's why Nifty is where he is. Any comments, critiques, rebuttals. Am I crazy or do other people think there is something here?

Also

That's my first ISO you guys!!! hooray

Silver Lantern wrote:

Fredwood wrote:I might be giving Jack too much credit though, but would he sacrifice a gridlock with a non-team member to bus a team member in order to survive a lynch?

Yes he would. It is a strong play cause not only does it make you seem like you're not on the teammate's mafia, but the opposing mafia possibly won't be gunning for you right away since they'll probably think the same thing.

It was more of me responding to TSP's assumption that Jack can't be Reaper.

I'm still willing to say Jack is Cerberus but if he's scum he's much more likely to be Reaper in my mind.

As far as Cerberus goes.
Nifty, Silver, Dom, TSP all feel like strong candidates...though I have different levels of suspicions for them. LC can go here, just because LC is weird.

Adam, SVS, MP, Spirit Could possibly be Cerberus but I currently or have had positive reads on them. I'll put Diz in this group as well, but I think Diz is less likely to be Cerberus then all of them but there is a chance so, I'll note it.

Jack, IR. There's a possibility that they are Cerberus it's just not likely from my point of view. However, I am suspicious of them in general.


I know people are pinging on Adam, but I've been paying attention to him, and his posts make sense to me and it feels genuine that he's trying to ISO people when he thinks it's necessary. Him changing his vote like that at the end with no explanation is pretty standard for Adam. Though I have said it before Adam does exploit my blind spot.

I also don't get the feeling Spirit was screening at the end for Fish. It didn't feel like a screen, and the timing wasn't right for a screen anyway, Fish was already fried at that point.

MP and SVS weren't really here, day 1 MP pinged town a little bit. So I'm still granting some leeway.

Dom completely avoided Epi, gfish...and really anybody that wasn't interacting with him and Jack. Maybe that's distancing, maybe he's tunneling, either is possible.

Long Con's narrative just makes no sense to me in general. From what I've seen him as scum, I guess I wouldn't be surprised if he deflected his own teammates pressure of who they think is opposite Don, only to resume pressure later. It also wouldn't surprise me if he was a Reaper, knew Vega was a safe claim and then tried to pin Epi in a different way.

IR may just naturally buddy with Gfish since they are buddies, so I'm always careful when trying to decipher their interactions. Still I don't think scum teammate IR and Gfish buddy that hard in their first exposure to so many players, I would think opposite no? Maybe another Realmser can weigh in on this.

That and Wilgy's gut was stronger on Fish then it was Jack...I think some of the evidence has been muddled and most people skim over it.

Dom wrote:

Fredwood wrote:

Dom wrote:

Fredwood wrote:
1. Dom, Spirit, and SVS. What specifically do you need to be happy with Jack...at this point is there anything that he can say that won't make you want to lynch him today or any other day? I doubt, even if you caught him, he's likely to admit to being Scum. I'm not sold on Jack's civness either, I want to give him the benefit of the doubt for his busy at work explanation, but if he's going to be a continuing distraction for a large portion of the players...

Jack could start pushing theories and explaining himself rather than deflecting all of my questions and acusations and refusing to even engage with me. That would be a start.
Why do you want me to move my vote?

I didn't, I was seeing how likely this would be an ongoing suspicion.

A *distraction*?
What's the implication?

It's pretty simple no? In reference to yesterday's phase, if this was going to be an ongoing thread no matter what Jack said, lynching him was probably the best move.

Not sure what you're trying to get at, I stated multiple times my concerns about Jack yesterday, including in the very post you keep dissecting. The reason we CFD to Fish was because Fish refused to vote for Jack and we could achieve a lynch on Fish easier then we could Jack.

malakim2099 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:Sausage roll bitches.

Tuck and roll your britches.

Scalzi Burrito twitches

Dress and boil your leeches.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Because based on Epi's role, he probably doesn't have btsc with the other Reapers.

It's not as much of a loss than yourself, especially when you are unsure of Epi.

JoH, I don't know the case on you. What I do know is that under pressure you didn't act like a dying civ.

I wasn't a dying civ.

Epi had more votes and then GFish had more votes.

There were three players (Dom, Silver and SVS) who were not interested in having an honest discussion about my alignment. There were two players (Sprityo and Fred, who fell off and was also confirmed) that said they didn't even scumread me but just wouldn't be able to trust me. There were also TSP and GFish who didn't vote for me until it was too late but they didn't provide real reading for voting for me over Epi or GFish.

Six votes (not counting Fred). Zero convincing reasons. Two alternative lynch targets were were obviously bad.

I was never in danger of being lynched and if I was wrong about that? The story writes itself. "Scum follows bullshit reasoning to save their buddy. Refuses to give reasons for lynching a townie. Gets caught and loses game."


Out of curiosity, how do you think a dying civ is supposed to act?

TBF I did have concerns that I expressed about your opportunism and the nature of your pressure targets. I'm going to be more cavalier with my vote this game I think, I'm vanilla, unlikely to survive that many night phases and am broadening my requirements for voting for a player so I am much more likely to vote for you or anyone I, or someone I read as town has a suspicion of.

Dom wrote:

Fredwood wrote:
1. Dom, Spirit, and SVS. What specifically do you need to be happy with Jack...at this point is there anything that he can say that won't make you want to lynch him today or any other day? I doubt, even if you caught him, he's likely to admit to being Scum. I'm not sold on Jack's civness either, I want to give him the benefit of the doubt for his busy at work explanation, but if he's going to be a continuing distraction for a large portion of the players...

Jack could start pushing theories and explaining himself rather than deflecting all of my questions and acusations and refusing to even engage with me. That would be a start.
Why do you want me to move my vote?

I didn't, I was seeing how likely this would be an ongoing suspicion.

cus you didnt want to die? And you jumped on a chance to save yourself.

DrWilgy wrote:Reads -

Likely Cerberus:
LC, MP, TSP, Silver... maaaaybe Sprit

Likely Reaper:
JoH, Nut, Raven

If I die tonight, I'd like to see LC and JoH lynched next. JoH's behavior before Gfish took off wasn't indicative of a civilian.

I would like to know Raven's correlation to Dom.

LC provided the Vega claim that made Gfish back off his pressure. You think that team coordination? I don't think Fish or LC expected the Geth bomb, is that something LC would do, provide a defense for someone who his teammate is trying to frame?

I think the biggest hang up I have right now is Kai Lang, I think once Day 3 starts I'll be sure.

TonyStarkPrime wrote:

Fredwood wrote:How do you know a Reaper targeted Bob?

That statement makes two assumptions:

1. Epi was attacked last night
2. GFish had a purpose behind targeting Epi today (he didn't randomly choose the person who the other mafia team attacked)
Because GFish claimed to have attacked Epi, it seems very logical to assume that his team actually targeted

Therefore, Cerebrus attacked Epi and Reapers must have targeted Bob.
Or weird and improbable things happened.

Or Cerberus used poison, or someone else blocked a kill, maybe ED actually bodyguarded someone. The terminal play could very well be a bodyguard attempt. It also could be a Geth deflection thing.

I like that you're trying to connect the dots, but I think you're downplaying the possibility of other things happening.

I agree that it seems likely that Gfish pushed on the pressure of Epi because they failed the hit on him, so Reapers killed EDI.

I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that a Reaper Jack murders Bob night one. But what is more likely? Jack bussess a teammate when the vote is gridlocked to save his bacon. Now, maybe he felt which way the wind was blowing and beat the rush, but at the time it didn't feel like a bus to save himself, or Jack sets up Bob to be murdered, only to murder him himself?

I will say that I'm taking Jack off non-Cerberus read though.

On top of that, as a mod and a player, I hate write-up cops and blocked kills being shown. I've played in enough Mal games to know that it's not something I've been annoyed by on a consistent basis.

Looks like someone couldn't access a terminal. Could it be a kill, could it not be a kill. I'm not willing to say it's one thing or another. Not sure how Mal would do write-ups in a crossover game.

The other game had no information, this one has slightly more, but much less then a standard realms game.

How do you know a Reaper targeted Bob?

I might be giving Jack too much credit though, but would he sacrifice a gridlock with a non-team member to bus a team member in order to survive a lynch?

TonyStarkPrime wrote:I think that this revelation strengthens Epi's claim that he was attacked, but it doesn't change the chance of him being a maf don instead of the neutral who's name I am forgetting.

IR is here, what dies he think about these recent turns?

Long Con looks like he could be Cerebrus, but I think he would have bussed GFish pretty quick.

Silver still looks suspicious, but I am willing to give him a pass for a while.

I am not convinced that Jack or Nut cannot be Cerebrus, since if Jack is not Cerebrus he is very likely not mafia.

Jack isn't Cerberus because Gfish doesn't get lynched unless he's willing to move his vote. Reaper is still very likely.

I don't think Nut is Cerberus, again for a similar reason that Jack isn't, because the timing of her vote isn't bussing a dying team member, or a cover pressure vote. Again, Reaper is still very likely.

Why do you think Jack can't be Reaper?

Oh and MP, he could go either way as well if he's scum.

Gut is at least Dys isn't Cerberus. Adam is one of my stronger town reads, but it is possible he's Cerberus.

Nifty is a strong scum read, and could go either way for me. That's my analysis of the voters anyway.

So Epi, Wilgy and Nut are all for sure not Cerberus.

I'm willing to say Jack isn't Cerberus.

Ok Illusive Man only activates during night phase, so I feel better about that autopsy.

Udina...Fuck that guy.

Here's a bit of brain fuckery though...Illusive Man turned Gfish into Udina...dun dun dun. So did we learn anything?

sprityo wrote:So personally, i would definitely lynch Epi over JoH if I had the option, but Wilgy brings up the point that if epi is telling the truth, we essentially learn nothing and it benefits the mafia more than the town in the end. But lynching someone else would provide us with information no matter what.

But yeah, in my mind the sooner we can get rid of Epi, the more we can not have to worry about a nuetral independent that could become a problem if left to develop.


Linki: Im 85% sold on him being Geth and that he's being super ballsy about it for whatever reason. In the likelihood he is mafia however, that would certainly benefit us a great deal. He's a wildcard that no one can control and Mafia will leave him alive as long as he isnt pressuring against their team. To which he isnt attempting to scumhunt in the slightest it would seem

Man I just don't see that as a logical possibility, at least that high. On top of why Reaper? There was only one kill last night, this whole scenario started because there was only one kill. To me the Epi is scum scenario doesn't work if he is Reaper.

sprityo wrote:

gfishfunk wrote:Another idea occurred to me: suppose Epi is Reaver aligned, not Geth. Epi claims Geth. If Geth is in the game, Geth has no reason to share it.

This opens a one-way information flow. Geth now can follow Epi's lead.

Due to Geth's power set-up, people have a disincentive to target Epi, believing him to be Geth.

Epignosis wrote:Looking at those numbers, the civilians can afford (in a worst case scenario) three bad lynches.

I disagree. Scum factions need to hunt each other and will be looking at nightkilling each other if possible.

Okay so im here, and i agree with Gfish's concept he's putting out right here. I was thinking the same thing.

I personally believe that Epi will not die by nightkill this game if he keeps playing the way he is. I can barely tell he's trying to do anything besides save himself at this point. No content to counteract the defensive standpoint, it's all "fuck off, im more helpful to you all alive than not." which again, has been the exact opposite thus far.


Secondly, wanted to bring up Jack again and how there's a lot of comparing him to his performance in Phenon (It's PhenoN with an N, but i know mobile will autocorrect it, so phooey). essentially what im getting at here is this kind of push to get him lynched based off of a still single piece of evidence combined with these other weak stances and comparisons make me doubt if he should be lynched. Like if youre going to push to lynch a player, at least put some meat behind it yeah?

Do you mean because you think he's Reaper or Cerberus or just because he's Geth and doesn't matter?

If you think he's mafia, the likelihood is slim, he had a cover, but then he revealed when he thought he caught someone. I can see him being Cerberus on a team with Kai Leng, but even then I still think that's slim because he didn't need to claim. He wasn't in danger of being lynched today until he claimed robots. To me there is a much greater probability that Gfish or/and Jack is mafia then Epi is, the play is just stupid if he's mafia.

If he claimed Geth first, I can see the mafia scenario being likely. The circumstances are too convenient to play out the way they did if he wasn't baiting a trap.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I've never heard "bus" in any other mafia context.

Guess I can join this fish wagon thing. I'm cool with it.

I just found a new favorite Gfish related mafia term.

Silver Lantern wrote:I don't care if it feeds his piddly ego, but jacks play here is textbook 2 player mafia scum play. Point the finger at the player you think will distract the most and self implode while buddying up to every townie. "Were on the same team bros".

My ego needs all the help it can get.

Also to honor our budding buddying bromance, I've changed my avatar to Brak full time. You're welcome.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Consider me confused then. Lol.

I would say that this makes gfish's claim sound like BS, but why would gfish lie about this in such blatantly illogical form if mafia? That's what I don't understand.

This is the problem lol. I'm pretty solid in the Wilgy is town camp, so as a sign of good faith I'm willing to vote for Fish over Jack.

Who I still think is a better lynch because of cost/benefit analysis and his overtly opportunistic play, which, to my estimation, is out of character for him. There's enough smoke for Gfish as well independently so I'm okay with pursuing it I guess. (SHRUUUUUGGGGG)

Silver Lantern wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Fred

Please stop. We're on the same side and I can't stand it.

How on earth could you possibly know that you and Fred are on the same team? What a scummy thing to say in a game with 2 mafias lol.

I'll answer seriously this time, I fucked up and accidentally claimed when Bob died, who was EDI, I thought I lost my powers because of Saren, when it was in fact because EDI died...so that and how awesomely cool and neat I am people have been hardcore greening me.

I guess I'm as close to a confirmed town as you can have in the game, so everyone is buddying me >.>

Silver Lantern wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Fred

Please stop. We're on the same side and I can't stand it.

How on earth could you possibly know that you and Fred are on the same team? What a scummy thing to say in a game with 2 mafias lol.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wow, sounds like I missed an interesting read. Look forward to becoming acclimated with that properly this weekend. Thanks guys.

So gfish claims to have a cop ability and an RB ability and he's claiming to have used the RB first?

The RB has a chance to kill as well.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Silver Lantern wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Silver Lantern wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Yeah, gfishfunk is a liar. Who the hell uses a block / kill BEFORE an alignment check.

Lies.

Obviously you have never played with Gfish...

He does dumb shit all the time, lololol.

Yeah but not this dumb.

That's a safeclaim.

I don't doubt that Gfish of making such a dumb play on purpose, but it does seem way more irresponsible than he'd probably be with a copping. Plus do you honestly believe he wouldn't cop, you, me, or IR? I don't think so...

I still think you're scum tho, so stop buddying up to me, I already told you it was your tell.

Whatever you say, toaster.

"Oh, Epi is claiming baddie and GFish looks terrible. Guess I'll keep voting for Jack."

It would be really cool if Adam and TSP voted for Jack, the fates would decide >.><.<, that or the Illusive Man...So if the Illusive Man gets his vote doubled it counts for 3 against non humans?

Silver Lantern wrote:

Fredwood wrote:

Silver Lantern wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:I'm still afraid that vote shenanigans will fuck up having a lynch.

What are you whining on about? Can you quote what role has vote shenanigans that you're concerned about? So that others can understand without stirring up a panic for no reason?

lol...I chicken littled it earlier, there is at least 2 known vote manipulators...Theres 3 possible reaper vote manipulators, for sure there's one, possibly 2 in that faction. The Thorian is a vote manipulator, and I believe there's another alliance role or two that are vote manipulators.

So, there's almost as much chance for vote shenanigans as there is for roleblocking.

Do they nerf the lynch all together or just make it so that the next leader is lynched? Cause if so I am staying on JackofScums2005.

BTW, "Tuck and roll Bitches!"

LINKI (am I doing this right?): I am on the east coast and it's 5:15 here.

It depends on the role, some force you to vote for a specific person, another doubles a single voters vote, another just straight up removes votes from himself. I don't see a scenario right now though where if shenanigans occur where anybody but Gfish and Jack get lynched.

Silver Lantern wrote:Does the day close at 7 EST?

That's when the poll closes.

Silver Lantern wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:I'm still afraid that vote shenanigans will fuck up having a lynch.

What are you whining on about? Can you quote what role has vote shenanigans that you're concerned about? So that others can understand without stirring up a panic for no reason?

lol...I chicken littled it earlier, there is at least 2 known vote manipulators...Theres 3 possible reaper vote manipulators, for sure there's one, possibly 2 in that faction. The Thorian is a vote manipulator, and I believe there's another alliance role or two that are vote manipulators.

So, there's almost as much chance for vote shenanigans as there is for roleblocking.

Dyslexicon wrote:I'm still afraid that vote shenanigans will fuck up having a lynch.

The silver lining is that even with shenanigans that it will likely result in a Jack lynch...so...that's good I guess.

gfishfunk wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Tuck and roll bitches.

He did claim, albeit roundabout. Here is his claim Fred.

True but that was after LC and I gave him an out.

DrWilgy wrote:Fredwood, can you change your vote?

I'd prefer a lack of shenanigans.

lol sigh I guess....I don't like that I'm on it with only one green ping, a null, two flaming spicy read and a known neutral...but w/e.

If you're not town then I'm boned anyway, let's see how your gut plays out I guess.



I'm a sheep

gfishfunk wrote:

Silver Lantern wrote:

gfishfunk wrote:

Fredwood wrote:He claimed one of 28 roleblocks

I claimed a role block with self protection.

Is Epi only after you cause you claimed to have blocked him?

Does a kill attempt appear on him in the write up?

I blocked him. He claimed a town role.

I relented and moved my vote off. Long Con and Dyslexicon moved their votes on Epi. Epi then said it was all a trap and he is really Gesh! He was testing to see if people would buy the claim because he thought it was a ploy because one of us hit him with a kill.

I put my vote back on him. I think its a safe lynch. I think the claim could provide cover for a Reaper role. I think Epi is the type of player that would likely join Reaper anyway out of a 'hell, why not?' attitude.

This is 100 percent not what happened. He said he targeted himself and LC and I jumped to the Vega conclusion and then you backed off along with Adam, IR and Nifty, he never actually claimed Vega. LC then jumped on and Epi thought he caught scum and dropped the Geth bomb on us. Diz did not vote for Epi until much later in the discussion when I told Diz the best two options for a lynch at that time.