The Syndicate

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:10 pm SATONY

LIFTOACH PANDEMONIUM

ZAZAS

Good points

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:29 pm Who wants to sit in a kiddie pool filled with tomato sauce and rub it all over themselves with me?

Probably Franki

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:28 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:27 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:20 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:09 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:00 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:57 pm Jack you dolt, I thought it was actually something Sloonei said (which I swear he hadn’t) and it was just you misplacing my name the whole time?

Linki: his bad dad
All anime characters look the same to me. That’s why I got you mixed up with DDL and Kyle.
Said the guy who is most definitely not wearing an anime character on his avatar.
What are you talking about, Sprityo?
Did Green Lantern fuse with Human Torch or something?
Something like that. Needs a Santa hat tho.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:44 pm I am exactly the hero we deserve.

This gives me hybridity flashbacks

(they end with me getting friendly fired by overconfident jack)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:01 pm colonialbob

How do you respond to Sloonei accusing you of being a killer yesterday?

Did that happen? I didn't kill anybody so.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:58 pm Next person to ask me why I suspect Sprityo over Sig is getting daykilled.

Isn't sig more suspicious than sprit tho

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:42 pm The fact that juliets had the gentle Sheppard role and was also mafia makes me think that either roles and alignments were both randomized, or she was killed by the trickster, who is still alive and trying to mess with us. I realize for that to be true, the team with the trickster would have killed twice in a row. In a previous game I've played with two scum teams, if one scum team kills a member of the other team, they get to kill the next night as well. So it is possible.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:21 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:49 am I have a weird meta reason to think Speed isn’t bad. I’ve gotten him lynched or tried to several games in a row. Like 4 games in a row. We shared a square. I’ve expressed suspicion of him. Yet here I stand.

With that in mind, I should vote Sprityo or Sig.

Sprityo May have killed Nutella. With that in mind, I should vote Sprityo.

[VOTE: Sprityo] aubergine
May is a good month, but not my favorite

Why would I kill Nutella. And why would you think I kill Nutella?

Because you're mafia and trying to kill civs?

Trying to guess why kill targets are what they are is a silly game

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:09 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:06 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:02 pmMy info isn’t stopped by anything I see on the front page. Not Hollowman. Not Trickster.
What about the 11 roles with *secrets* ?
What about certain squares that may mess with the info?
What about certain items that may mess with the info?
I guess we should just ignore info then, huh?

Where was this skepticism yesterday? You trusted your own info even after Wilgy flipped town.

Sounds to me like you want to discredit my info cause you don’t want me to lynch your buddies.

This stinks.

[VOTE: Tranq] aubergine

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:00 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:55 am
LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:02 am What are the actual seats of baddies dying 2 nights in a row? In particular on nights 1 and 2? I’m so used to games where night kills aren’t revealed that I’m actually not sure.

And an alternate theory: what if the trickster is an Indy role who kills every night? Juleit’s Death doesn’t read as a baddie dying. Not to mention that we have no idea who is killling. Personally, I’m Not going to push that people aren’t who they seem, but I’m not going to personally make that assumption. And I personally believe it’s a dangerous assumption to make.

Strongly leaning towards an INH vote. Possibly sabie.
So if we're not assuming any of the night deaths are who they say we are, we've got two civ lynches. Good luck hunting after throwing out 2/3rds of the hard info we have.
Two civ lynches? Wilgy still screams Hollow Man to me

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:02 am What are the actual seats of baddies dying 2 nights in a row? In particular on nights 1 and 2? I’m so used to games where night kills aren’t revealed that I’m actually not sure.

And an alternate theory: what if the trickster is an Indy role who kills every night? Juleit’s Death doesn’t read as a baddie dying. Not to mention that we have no idea who is killling. Personally, I’m Not going to push that people aren’t who they seem, but I’m not going to personally make that assumption. And I personally believe it’s a dangerous assumption to make.

Strongly leaning towards an INH vote. Possibly sabie.

So if we're not assuming any of the night deaths are who they say we are, we've got two civ lynches. Good luck hunting after throwing out 2/3rds of the hard info we have.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:27 am
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:23 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:22 am
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:21 am Everyone has been looking at this game through the same one or two viewpoints.

I come in, offer another viewpoint, and what do I get? Persecution.

Y'all just aren't ready for the truths that I'm spitting.
Yeah I guess you might be right about Turnip Head not being Mafia and nutella being. That's an interesting theory. I'd like to sign up to your newsletter.
you fallacious ballerina, you've been spinning around the facts this whole game.

BUT

YOUR DANCING SHOES ARE BREAKING OPEN!

NO MORE TIPTOEING AROUND THE TRUTH, MAC!
So my cat, Franki, recently came down with a pretty severe stomach virus. The vet gave me some anti biotic drops to put in his food but when I’d do that Franki wouldn’t touch it. So, the vet suggested using a small dropper tube to insert the medicine directly into his anus. The first time was absolute hell, my cat fought me the whole time but once the tube was in and the medicine pushed out he seemed to calm quite a bit. Well the next day he was acting strange, he has always been an independent cat, rarely coming around, never wanting to be held, but as I sat on the couch he started walking back and forth meowing and rubbing my leg. He then went and jumped up on the table where we’d done the application the night before and meowed louder and louder until I decided I guess we will go ahead and do the medicine treatment. This time he didn’t fight me though, and when I inserted the tube he closed his eyes, stretched his neck, and let out a noise that can only be described as a moan of pure ecstasy. Maybe the medicine made him feel better, I supposed. That night he slept on my bed curled up right next to me, which he had never done before. For the next week he’d do the same thing every day, meow on the table until he got his ‘fix’... But then the medicine ran out. Even though I had no medicine he’d still cry and beg for it, I thought maybe if I insert it without medicine he will realize it doesn’t make him feel better anymore and forget about it. Well that was 2 weeks ago and he is only getting worse. He walks around me all day with his tail up presenting his rectum and trying to entice me. He is demanding insertions more and more often. Yesterday I caught him looking longingly at the turkey baster... When I sit he jumps in my lap purring and rubbing me affectionately. It was then in horror I realized my cat thinks I’m his gay lover, and that I’ve been sexually pleasing him for weeks now. Needless to say the sexual tension between us is palpable. How do I let my cat know that I’m not gay, but still like him as a friend?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:53 pm TBH I think our votes should he weighted by the number of posts we make each phase.
Imagine this as a mechanic in a future game. JFC.

There's a series on the Realms that's fairly roleplay intensive and has had XP mechanics based on post count several times. It's interesting.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:42 pm Given Sloonei is posting at a frequency of 10 players it's probably fair to say.

(this was going to be a picture of heavy weapons guy shooting lots of bullets as a joke about Sloonei's posting frequency but then I found this and it's amazing)

"firing squad assembled against him" I guess you mean Sloonei and myself saying "yuck" and "bad reasoning"?

K.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:28 pm I feel a kinship to Sig because nobody ever gets what the fuck we’re talking about and it always gets us in trouble. If he is scum then, oops, but I feel fine about him so far and this firing squad that’s been assembled against him feels unreasonable (dare I say ... manufactured?)

And this isn't me defending sabie because I've had my own reasons for suspecting her. But this feels crazy manufactured.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:18 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:03 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:32 pm Told you wiggly was good also WE NEED TO STOP WITH CFD SHIT!!!!!!
It rarely helps town and had basically resulted in two civs dead.

We need to lynch sab shes mafia or a baddie no way around that.
She's also newer to TS and have played on other sites correct? If those sites allow infoduming which I'm sure they do then she's probably very skilled at deflecting info that plus peoples bias to infodunping here is why shes still alive and we lynched a civ.
Oh so you're saying we were on mafia before the CFDs? Interesting.

Your sabie reasoning is trash
And I think his Sabie reasoning is pretty good. Something strange there as far as the old lady goes and her actions re: Wilgy don’t help her case one bit.

"She's probably very skilled at deflecting because she played elsewhere" is absolutely terrible justification

Like, show me how's she's deflecting and maybe you have a case. Asserting it's true because of reasoning that turned out to be completely wrong seems like maybe the kind of thing you shouldn't agree with

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:50 pm And the secondary portion of my thing, re mac, epi, and sloonie was more a general thing. Just in case I die I wanted to throw that out.

"Guys let's lynch our leaders because they've led us on mislynches even though none of them were really driving either of these lynches and Mac is kind of not leading anybody and epi was basically catching up all d2"

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:10 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:34 pm Also not caught up all the way, but I dont want to lynch Mac, though i do think a sloonie lynch is becoming more viable.

Basically with the town leaders/high speed civs we need this strategy if they keep leading us wrong we need them gone. This is true fpr epi, mac, and sloonie. Since rhe longer they're alive and the more mislynches they led the more likely it is they're mafia
Wtf we have 30 people and I'm assuming something like 12-14 are civ, lynching 2 civs the first 2 days is always the most likely outcome.

Also I'm still reading but I don't see sloonei driving a wilgy train at all so far. Mac correctly called the wilgy lynch as Garbo, iirc Epi wasn't a fan either.

EBWOP 12-14 aren't civ

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:34 pm Also not caught up all the way, but I dont want to lynch Mac, though i do think a sloonie lynch is becoming more viable.

Basically with the town leaders/high speed civs we need this strategy if they keep leading us wrong we need them gone. This is true fpr epi, mac, and sloonie. Since rhe longer they're alive and the more mislynches they led the more likely it is they're mafia

Wtf we have 30 people and I'm assuming something like 12-14 are civ, lynching 2 civs the first 2 days is always the most likely outcome.

Also I'm still reading but I don't see sloonei driving a wilgy train at all so far. Mac correctly called the wilgy lynch as Garbo, iirc Epi wasn't a fan either.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:32 pm Told you wiggly was good also WE NEED TO STOP WITH CFD SHIT!!!!!!
It rarely helps town and had basically resulted in two civs dead.

We need to lynch sab shes mafia or a baddie no way around that.
She's also newer to TS and have played on other sites correct? If those sites allow infoduming which I'm sure they do then she's probably very skilled at deflecting info that plus peoples bias to infodunping here is why shes still alive and we lynched a civ.

Oh so you're saying we were on mafia before the CFDs? Interesting.

Your sabie reasoning is trash

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:32 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:32 pm Told you wiggly was good also WE NEED TO STOP WITH CFD SHIT!!!!!!
It rarely helps town and had basically resulted in two civs dead.

We need to lynch sab shes mafia or a baddie no way around that.
She's also newer to TS and have played on other sites correct? If those sites allow infoduming which I'm sure they do then she's probably very skilled at deflecting info that plus peoples bias to infodunping here is why shes still alive and we lynched a civ.
Yuck.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:21 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:49 am I woke up in the middle of the night and found myself about to be CFD'd so I made another last minute push for Wilgy. As I said before Wilgy could be the Hollow Man so I'm not necessarily wrong. On my square there's an item i found called the Mirror of Truth which told me he might be bad.

"He could be Hollow Man" is absolute garbage reasoning

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:50 pm Oh wait, nevermind that was the rules/playerlist/op. Seems like everyone got that.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:54 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:53 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:47 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:42 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:41 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:33 pm I asked this before but I don't think I got an answer. I thought "forge" meant the forger can make someone appear as any alignment he or she wants. Does it mean they can also make people appear any role that they want?
There may be variations on how it works out there. The Trickster's forge allows him to make his kill-target appear as the role and alignment of his choosing.
OOOOOHHHHHHHH ok thank you much.
This makes me think TH wasn't even bad, and the mafia team with the trickster killed him.
I give up
What's your opinion on the TH flip?

That there's a lot of FUD spread around it that's totally unhelpful whether it's being done by mafia or civs.

Honestly I'm probably tunneling on it too much and I should just relax and let it go.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:47 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:42 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:41 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:33 pm I asked this before but I don't think I got an answer. I thought "forge" meant the forger can make someone appear as any alignment he or she wants. Does it mean they can also make people appear any role that they want?
There may be variations on how it works out there. The Trickster's forge allows him to make his kill-target appear as the role and alignment of his choosing.
OOOOOHHHHHHHH ok thank you much.
This makes me think TH wasn't even bad, and the mafia team with the trickster killed him.

I give up

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:01 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:54 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:52 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:42 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:33 am I just went and read some of the roles.

... Why are we assuming TH was actually the trickster?
Occam's Razor

Also it's N2 not endgame
I actually feel like Occam's Razor points the other way on this one. If the mafia team have the trickster, why WOULDN'T they use him every night? And what would be more confusing and misleading than flipping a kill as scum? And even moreso, what scum role is DEFINITELY scum and even more confusing?

So either a mafia team is playing pretty well, or a kill last night got REALLY lucky.

I could be wrong, but I feel like that's 50/50 or so personally.

I still come back to "how do we react to this information" and if the answer is just "idk but you should think about it" I will remain unsatisfied.
I've lynched people in games before solely based on their interactions with a known scum.

I will not be doing that with TH's flip.

This is the first good answer to this question I've heard. Civ points for speedchuck.

timmer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:30 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:55 pm Infodumping sucks. I don't like it. Never have and never will. I'm not moving my vote because someone has info that may or may not be true.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:15 pm
Luna, Kyle, DDL, Quin, G-man.

One of them killed nutella.
What's your plan if we lynch one of these 5 and they're civ?

Let's say we lynch Luna today and she's good.
Day 3 we go "oh it's one out of these 4 now, those are even better odds", we lynch Kyle and he's good.
Day 4 we lynch DDL and he's good.
Day 5 we lynch Quin and he's good.
Day 6 we lynch G-Man and he's either bad (you got good info) or not (your info was incorrect, or you lied and made us waste 5 lynches)

We could waste up to 4 lynches if the info is right, 5 if it's wrong.
So... I just checked and tranq dropped this and then never posted again?

So I think quite heavily that tranq is bad and one of his teammates is on the verge of getting lynched today, and their team is frustrated at getting hit by map info.

So considering the state of the poll, I'll move my vote to wilgy since he's in the lead he'd be the one tranq is mad about.

This post is so close to being a really good insight and then it trips at the finish line

Dana wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:42 pm I'm about 8 pages behind and I forgot the end time was moved up so I'll [VOTE: Quin] aubergine for now and possibly change my mind by the time I catch up. He seems very angry (which I think is normal for him but I don't really remember), and I am not getting the best vibe. I see that Wigly is in the lead right now but I don't have much of an opinion on him, and he also isn't on the Sloonei list if that discussion is still going on right now. I feel sort of okay about the other 4 on the list at the moment.

Wat

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:52 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:50 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:48 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:46 am Lunalee what's your mafia background? Infodump heavy games, no infodumping games, etc?
Her first game was on this site, so the site history is all here.
Not helpful for my purposes, since apparently there are both types of games here
She also has a list of games she's played in her signature, which I have turned off for reading's sake.

I don't actually care about her performances, but I'm asking because there's a bunch of people jumping her for believing an infodump and where I started on the Realms the default rule is to trust info unless given a strong reason not to (almost to a fault really).

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:52 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:42 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:33 am I just went and read some of the roles.

... Why are we assuming TH was actually the trickster?
Occam's Razor

Also it's N2 not endgame
I actually feel like Occam's Razor points the other way on this one. If the mafia team have the trickster, why WOULDN'T they use him every night? And what would be more confusing and misleading than flipping a kill as scum? And even moreso, what scum role is DEFINITELY scum and even more confusing?

So either a mafia team is playing pretty well, or a kill last night got REALLY lucky.

I could be wrong, but I feel like that's 50/50 or so personally.

I still come back to "how do we react to this information" and if the answer is just "idk but you should think about it" I will remain unsatisfied.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:48 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:46 am Lunalee what's your mafia background? Infodump heavy games, no infodumping games, etc?
Her first game was on this site, so the site history is all here.

Not helpful for my purposes, since apparently there are both types of games here

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] what's your mafia background? Infodump heavy games, no infodumping games, etc?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:33 am I just went and read some of the roles.

... Why are we assuming TH was actually the trickster?

Occam's Razor

Also it's N2 not endgame

Ok sorry for being absent yesterday, after another 11 hour day I needed tacos and just never ended up making it back to the thread. I'm catching up but it's going to be slow since there's like 9 pages. As always @ me or quote me if necessary, and I will try to respond promptly.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:03 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:59 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:28 pm Hey, yall!! I still have an eye on Wilgy. And the Sloonei 5 is interesting. That said, we don't know who killed LA. We all seem to be assuming it was a baddie (myself included), but we don't know that.
juliets this is why I put LoRab on my list.

I find all the "maybe mafia didn't kill Nutella" unconvincing at best, and this goes a step beyond that.
I am sympathetic to LoRab here. I see that as healthy skepticism, which is a good thing.

It's also exactly what I would expect a teammate to do. Perhaps my feelings on LoRab are better framed as "teammate-compatible," I don't feel this is a valid lynch reason on its own. But I will also take jules' opinion that this is typical for her into account.

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:28 pm Hey, yall!! I still have an eye on Wilgy. And the Sloonei 5 is interesting. That said, we don't know who killed LA. We all seem to be assuming it was a baddie (myself included), but we don't know that.

[mention]juliets[/mention] this is why I put LoRab on my list.

I find all the "maybe mafia didn't kill Nutella" unconvincing at best, and this goes a step beyond that.

Of course the tinfoil answer is that Sloonei killed Nutella.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:57 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:55 pm Infodumping sucks. I don't like it. Never have and never will. I'm not moving my vote because someone has info that may or may not be true.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:15 pm
Luna, Kyle, DDL, Quin, G-man.

One of them killed nutella.
What's your plan if we lynch one of these 5 and they're civ?

Let's say we lynch Luna today and she's good.
Day 3 we go "oh it's one out of these 4 now, those are even better odds", we lynch Kyle and he's good.
Day 4 we lynch DDL and he's good.
Day 5 we lynch Quin and he's good.
Day 6 we lynch G-Man and he's either bad (you got good info) or not (your info was incorrect, or you lied and made us waste 5 lynches)

We could waste up to 4 lynches if the info is right, 5 if it's wrong.
Nobody has suggested that we ignore the rest of the game and spam lynches into these 5. Sloonei's just giving us more cards to play with.

Feel like you're twisting this into an accusion, almost.
And infodumping is awesome. #cpi4lyfe

Agreeing a lot with speedchuck today. Unfortunately most of it is metagame stuff but hey. This is one point of agreement that isn't.

Tranq and LoRab are on my list of teammates to the scum of the Sloonei 5, assuming there is one (which I think is a solid assumption for the time being).

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:29 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:25 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:23 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:31 pm Onto Sloonei's ISO's:

I read the Kyle one and nothing jumped out at me as bad.
I'll read the Luna one but I've given my thoughts on Luna.

Reading the G-Man one now, I'll post this here but I'll continue to read:

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:30 pm Knowing the epic nature of Long Con & Black Rock games, the fact that the baddies kill range increases as their numbers wain shouldn’t surprise me, but oof. Clever way to keep everyone else from getting overconfident.
Sloonei remarks that this is an odd thing to fixate on first, and I agree,
This post actually changes my mind on G-Man more than Luna’s vouching does. Why does a scum G-Man go in the thread to taunt the town with a mechanical quirk benefitting his team? Because taunting is fun, I gues, but this looks more like worldbuilding than anything.
Colin, like I said, I'm extra dumb this afternoon. What do you mean by world building?
I believe Speed used the term in Hogwart but it’s basically when a civ comes in the thread to share an observation about the game that isn’t a read or a theory, for the sake of enhancing knowledge/getting the town on the same page. Speed also noted that people here are unusually hostile to it, and I agree with him because I get flak for it all the time.

That's not at all how I would use the term world-building

(Which doesn't make me right and you wrong, just saying it holds a different meaning for me in mafia)

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:23 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:31 pm Onto Sloonei's ISO's:

I read the Kyle one and nothing jumped out at me as bad.
I'll read the Luna one but I've given my thoughts on Luna.

Reading the G-Man one now, I'll post this here but I'll continue to read:

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:30 pm Knowing the epic nature of Long Con & Black Rock games, the fact that the baddies kill range increases as their numbers wain shouldn’t surprise me, but oof. Clever way to keep everyone else from getting overconfident.
Sloonei remarks that this is an odd thing to fixate on first, and I agree,
This post actually changes my mind on G-Man more than Luna’s vouching does. Why does a scum G-Man go in the thread to taunt the town with a mechanical quirk benefitting his team? Because taunting is fun, I gues, but this looks more like worldbuilding than anything.

Because discussing mechanics is an easy way to be "active" and scum will notice scum mechanics first.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:27 am And I am not throwing anything out per se. I am stati g where I stand on SVS right now, which is pretty close to the middle.

It feels more like you're tip-toeing up to throwing down a real suspicion and then backing off because "they might be civ tho" which doesn't really feel like an actual reason.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:02 am Like in the last GoC the tinfoiling was so unreal I couldn't help but read her as civ, because there is no way a baddie would be able to fake that madness.

Here she hasn't done anything that can't be faked, so far. Though she hasn't felt much suspicious either.

This is at least the second time you've thrown suspicions out but qualified them. Trying to get somebody else to start a train for you?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:13 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:03 am [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

A hunch, i want to pursue later.
So as of right now I am the only person spirityo has accused the entire game. I don't even see a vote from them in the first lynch poll. They haven't even really shared any thoughts on anyone yet. I'm all for speculating about gameplay and roles and everything because I also do that but usually by this point in the game some of the speculation is regarding players and reads on players. Just find that interesting.

I am still not convinced wilgy isnt bad. Unless he just really doesn't care about this game at all he didn't even put up any defense about being accused or voted for. And he still really hasn't been around. It also now seems like maybe TH was defending him.

I was just speculating if TH was the trickster could he have killed nutella and someone killed him. I dont know if that really impacts anything but it would be an interesting turn of events if it did happen that way.

Can someone condense the argument on g man so I can get a better idea of where that is coming from? I didnt really get much from trying to read him before.

I know I haven't posted much there is a lot to follow and I get busy with work and things. I've been keeping up best I can though at least with reading everything.

This post says a lot without really saying anything. I mean, that sentence in red in particular is... whew.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:51 pm For the trickster normally the role doesn't work in a way that would let someone flip as the trickster if they were night killed. We could see a twist with the role here, but I doubt it. We need to also remember there are items in play that could've been used to kill TH as well annnnnd lots of secrets.

Ok same question to you - let's say we're remembering that. What does that look like? How do we take that information into account?

Kyle so far seems compatible with town Kyle.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:50 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:34 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:28 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:16 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pm I discuss what I personally deem interesting/important.

Point 1 being I made this role concept the trickster is based off of. And I have most definitely seen it used to make a town flip as mafia looking (@ quin)

Point 2: mechanically speaking the mafia would make the town less on guard, which would further present itself as a problem later on in the game. If the trickster is still alive and can forge roles, the mafia could fake even more kills and possibly their own deaths again.

The only true way to lie detect someone who is now dead is having a mortician or someone to confirm the dead’s identity, aka what I pointed out with lycantha

Until they find TH’s body we won’t be 100% sure that we actually was the trickster
What is the desired outcome of discussing this for civs?
Awareness, information to keep in mind

That’s all. I can’t be every player in the game so I have to make sure everyone can at least consider and dismiss or approve of information I think is relevant
How does knowing this information change the way civs should act, in your opinion?
it's not meant to change the way they act directly. i just said it's information to keep in mind. especially cause the statement to consider is laden with WIFOM

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:39 pm Someone get into BTSC with Jack so he can try to manipulate people into following overcomplicated schemes and end up slipping.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:40 pm I would like to vote for one of the five people I ISO'd at the beginning of the day:

Luna
Kyle
DDL
Quin
G-man

ranked from least to most suspicious.

I don't want to vote Luna. It would be nice if you would collect those ISO posts here so I don't have to dig for your cases. I'm much more time-limited now than is ideal for mafia :/

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:19 pm colonialbob

Are you asking me what to do with a bounty hunter/underpants gnome claim?

Just thought you'd be interested is all

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