The Syndicate

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:37 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:15 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:39 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:29 pm So I didn’t read into TH being bad or really read at all, but could someone clear out the possibility for me that TH wasn’t forged into being the trickster upon death?

I never trust flavor posts out of habit (speedchuck and I probably share this) this is a role that can make anyone else they kill reveal as something else. It’s not like I can ask long con “did the trickster for real for real die?”

Linki: very well, I’ll keep that in mind sloon
The answer to your question is that it seems like it would be theoretically possible. If the trickster is bad and killed th and forged it to say th was the trickster and was bad, sure. But... why would they do that? It's interesting that you bring up such a specific question when you have barely participated.
The simplest answer is that a mafia person died. If we make that assumption, we can move forward with analyzing TH and sussing out someone to lynch today. If we get all suspicious that TH only flipped bad, and wasn't really bad, then we don't have a clear path forward for today's lynch. I'd rather assume the simplest scenario that TH was bad, and use that information to move forward.
This is your best post so far
I'm both flattered and insulted.

It was a civ post, I feel good about you now.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:28 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:16 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pm I discuss what I personally deem interesting/important.

Point 1 being I made this role concept the trickster is based off of. And I have most definitely seen it used to make a town flip as mafia looking (@ quin)

Point 2: mechanically speaking the mafia would make the town less on guard, which would further present itself as a problem later on in the game. If the trickster is still alive and can forge roles, the mafia could fake even more kills and possibly their own deaths again.

The only true way to lie detect someone who is now dead is having a mortician or someone to confirm the dead’s identity, aka what I pointed out with lycantha

Until they find TH’s body we won’t be 100% sure that we actually was the trickster
What is the desired outcome of discussing this for civs?
Awareness, information to keep in mind

That’s all. I can’t be every player in the game so I have to make sure everyone can at least consider and dismiss or approve of information I think is relevant

How does knowing this information change the way civs should act, in your opinion?

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pm I discuss what I personally deem interesting/important.

Point 1 being I made this role concept the trickster is based off of. And I have most definitely seen it used to make a town flip as mafia looking (@ quin)

Point 2: mechanically speaking the mafia would make the town less on guard, which would further present itself as a problem later on in the game. If the trickster is still alive and can forge roles, the mafia could fake even more kills and possibly their own deaths again.

The only true way to lie detect someone who is now dead is having a mortician or someone to confirm the dead’s identity, aka what I pointed out with lycantha

Until they find TH’s body we won’t be 100% sure that we actually was the trickster

What is the desired outcome of discussing this for civs?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:39 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:29 pm So I didn’t read into TH being bad or really read at all, but could someone clear out the possibility for me that TH wasn’t forged into being the trickster upon death?

I never trust flavor posts out of habit (speedchuck and I probably share this) this is a role that can make anyone else they kill reveal as something else. It’s not like I can ask long con “did the trickster for real for real die?”

Linki: very well, I’ll keep that in mind sloon
The answer to your question is that it seems like it would be theoretically possible. If the trickster is bad and killed th and forged it to say th was the trickster and was bad, sure. But... why would they do that? It's interesting that you bring up such a specific question when you have barely participated.
The simplest answer is that a mafia person died. If we make that assumption, we can move forward with analyzing TH and sussing out someone to lynch today. If we get all suspicious that TH only flipped bad, and wasn't really bad, then we don't have a clear path forward for today's lynch. I'd rather assume the simplest scenario that TH was bad, and use that information to move forward.

This is your best post so far

So again busy day today, @ me if you want me to pay attention to something specific

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:07 am Keeping up with this game is proving to be impossible. I remember now why I swore off playing games this large. I’m not even going to pretend that I will get caught up and ISO everyone before the Day 2 deadline. I will try but when there’s so much diarrhea of the mouth, my eyes glaze over and there will be much skimming.

For the record, I am posting such blunt comments and being honest with my intentions in order to stay just a hair above blendy. Taking me out will not help the civvie cause but it will help me get more work done in real life. Trade offs.

So don't iso anybody, maybe just Sloonei

On second thought maybe everybody except Sloonei would be easier

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:56 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:00 am Oh wow DH and TH and Yin and Yang. My dreams have come true.
Mac did indeed make this post. I didn't notice the vote shift. Can you explain what you saw in more detail, Mr Dougall?

I find this angle very intriguing

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:04 am If I had to pick a teammate out of those interactions I'd go Luna/Tranq/Enrique. The Sloonei interactions look like absolute dog shit but there's so much there it's more likely pocketing rather than actual teammate.

What about the person with all the red? Why not wilgy?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:59 am Here I will analyze TH's posts and specifically their interactions with other players:

1. Tranq Link Back and forth RE: poll options. Tranq gets up TH's ass about mentioning the possible civvieness of the poll option before voting. Pretty much IIRC the meatiest interaction Tranq has had yet. I'm gonna rate this sucker a Yellow.

2. Enrique Link Jokey "you bad?" post. Rating this one Yellow. as well since it looks like it could be distancing.

3. Epignosis Link Defends Sloonei from Epi by way of straw manning Luna. Rating this Green for Epi and Red for Sloonei and Yellow For Luna

4. G-Man Link G-Man emerges as a suspect to TH. Rating this Green for G.

5. Sloonei Link Waffley non-post about Sloonei that's also a defense without outright saying so. Red

6. Luna Link Says Luna looks "OK so far". Again not committing to much. Yellow for Luna.

7. Doc Link Defending the Doc's bullshit. Red for Doc.

8. Nutella Link "Good Catch" from nutella RE: Chuck/Sloonei. Buddying Nutella's suspicion of Chuck in order to (again) slyly defend Sloonei. Looks Green for nutella, Green for Chuck, Red For Sloonei.

9. Doc link Defends Doc by saying "more recently" he's been a civ when he's been inactive/low activity. Who gives a fuck? Red for Doc.

10. Sprityo Link Points out that sprityo is lurking and expresses a desire to lynch him. Green.

11. Doc Link Parrots my anger at Doc. Green for Doc.

So mostly bad for Sloonei and wilgy, iffy on Luna?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:22 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:20 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:17 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:54 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:52 am People: "wilgy is a bad vote for people scared to be held responsible"

Also people: "nah let's not vote for anybody on his wagon"
[VOTE: tranq] aubergine

still want juliets
This post is weird and I may be misunderstanding it. But is colonialbob saying people scared to be held responsible will vote off wagon? Then Sloonei quotes it, not only saying he's voting off wagon, but that he's not even voting for who he wants to vote for. If you're going to vote off wagon anyways, why not go for juliets?
cbob was suggesting that we should vote for a player who was voting for wilgy at the time because a number of people were complaining that his wagon was shady and weak. Tranq was on the wagon and was a person who'd garnered a fair amount of suspicion.

Why'd you kill nutella?
I would like to look at Wolbre's wagon. That's a good place to start.

Nutella died? I haven't seen the end of night post.

Why does your response have nothing to do with Sloonei's post

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:59 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:55 am
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:27 am Sloonei is probably not the main person we're looking for but this is really funny regardless and I'm not opposed to leaving my vote there.
Am I the only one who's concerned about this post? What does it mean that "Sloonei is probably not the main person we're looking for"? Are there "main" scum players that are supposed to be pursued over the others? If Sloonei is not the "main" target then who is? What does this post mean, Enrique?
It means you probably don't figure in my win conditions.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]

TH interaction read go

somebody else because I am off to bed before what promises to be a busy day tomorrow

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:57 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:18 pm Oddly enough, Mac's wackass tinfoil on me last night is the most civilian thing he's done all game.

whatcha ing about?

Walk me through how you went from "Mac is an idiot" to "that was very civ"

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:14 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:13 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:10 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:02 pm Tranq is okay in my book right now. There's a lack of solid content there, but it's very blunt. "Yeah I'm not looking at that right now." He's very comfy in his boots.
Hmm yeah I guess you're right as long as he's comfortable blending into the background and avoiding any suspicion and not helping the civ cause at all, Tranq's good to go.
Authenticity is everything.
Yeah Tranq seemed really authentic when he was like "wow golly gosh is everyone voting randomly for these meaningless poll options shucky darns"

I like spicy DH.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:18 pm Oddly enough, Mac's wackass tinfoil on me last night is the most civilian thing he's done all game.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:20 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:15 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:11 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:29 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:58 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:53 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:04 am

Is it scummy ... to say that I like a post?
That's certainly one way of interpreting my case
Explain like I’m really dumb
man first post about other mans is "I agree with that man". Me no like. Me vote to see what man say. Me no give reason to see what other mans do.
Okay, so I was right the first time, got it.
Literally your first and only engagement with reading players was "I like Epi's post" and you didn't follow up or extend the reasoning or vote or anything. So, yeah.
Well, I did vote for DDL, so wrong on that count. And I don’t know what explanation is necessary: I liked it because it made sense and I agreed with it, which should have been self-evident by me saying I liked it. Or would it look better of me if I quoted a bunch of posts, summarized them, did some color analysis, crunched the numbers on the last 6 DDL games played when Mercury is in retrograde, and came to the same conclusion?

Because I’m not doing that.

No, I wanted to see how you would respond. Your response was shady af. I'm happy with how I played it.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:11 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:29 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:58 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:53 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:04 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:55 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:58 am I didn’t say what I voted for but it was the Become More, sorry.

I like Epi’s post re: DDL’s role speculation.
This was the main ping. Up to this point he had asked a mechanics question and said he voted for the N0 poll randomly. His first engagement with the actual game was to say he liked Epi's post on DDL, with no elaboration or follow up. Since I was going to be out of pocket all day, I figured I would rather have my vote out there and doing something than locked up tight and useless, so I voted. I didn't want to say my reason, because it gives him an easy out if he's mafia to make the suspicion go away. I wanted to see a response not based on my suspicion, and sure enough I got it. Not giving a reason also sort of forces people who jump on the wagon to supply their own reasoning, rather than just saying "yep I agree." D1 I think that's particularly valuable.
Is it scummy ... to say that I like a post?
That's certainly one way of interpreting my case
Explain like I’m really dumb
man first post about other mans is "I agree with that man". Me no like. Me vote to see what man say. Me no give reason to see what other mans do.
Okay, so I was right the first time, got it.

Literally your first and only engagement with reading players was "I like Epi's post" and you didn't follow up or extend the reasoning or vote or anything. So, yeah.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:36 am The number of posts Sloonei is making doesn't make me think he's town. The content of them does.

(Or put another way TH's Greece comparison is a good one)

The number of posts Sloonei is making doesn't make me think he's town. The content of them does.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:58 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:53 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:04 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:55 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:58 am I didn’t say what I voted for but it was the Become More, sorry.

I like Epi’s post re: DDL’s role speculation.
This was the main ping. Up to this point he had asked a mechanics question and said he voted for the N0 poll randomly. His first engagement with the actual game was to say he liked Epi's post on DDL, with no elaboration or follow up. Since I was going to be out of pocket all day, I figured I would rather have my vote out there and doing something than locked up tight and useless, so I voted. I didn't want to say my reason, because it gives him an easy out if he's mafia to make the suspicion go away. I wanted to see a response not based on my suspicion, and sure enough I got it. Not giving a reason also sort of forces people who jump on the wagon to supply their own reasoning, rather than just saying "yep I agree." D1 I think that's particularly valuable.
Is it scummy ... to say that I like a post?
That's certainly one way of interpreting my case
Explain like I’m really dumb

man first post about other mans is "I agree with that man". Me no like. Me vote to see what man say. Me no give reason to see what other mans do.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:04 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:55 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:58 am I didn’t say what I voted for but it was the Become More, sorry.

I like Epi’s post re: DDL’s role speculation.
This was the main ping. Up to this point he had asked a mechanics question and said he voted for the N0 poll randomly. His first engagement with the actual game was to say he liked Epi's post on DDL, with no elaboration or follow up. Since I was going to be out of pocket all day, I figured I would rather have my vote out there and doing something than locked up tight and useless, so I voted. I didn't want to say my reason, because it gives him an easy out if he's mafia to make the suspicion go away. I wanted to see a response not based on my suspicion, and sure enough I got it. Not giving a reason also sort of forces people who jump on the wagon to supply their own reasoning, rather than just saying "yep I agree." D1 I think that's particularly valuable.
Is it scummy ... to say that I like a post?

That's certainly one way of interpreting my case

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:53 am Lol why did Wolbre get lynched? I guess I can’t complain since I didn’t vote but I don’t think he had votes on him when I last checked in.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:56 am Ok so if I remember how to do all this correctly we all post memes and then spend the last 5 minutes frantically switching our poll votes as many times as possible

Is that correct?

Ok I need to go to bed

Rip wolbre I will miss your humor

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:01 am
Dana wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:59 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:57 am
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:52 am @Kylemii i have 2 questions right now

1. Who are you voting for?
2. If I buy a switch and smash will you play with me im lonely
1. if i knew who i was voting for i would have voted already, but at this point it's probably going to be wolbre since i don't believe sloonei is bad
2. absolutely yes. i don't have anyone on my friends list at all yet so i can only play against strangers
Can I join the smash bros group
100% yes

Man I really hope I get it for Christmas this year

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:58 am Bad wagon is bad. This is bad. One of the other two is Mafia and getting saved. Wilgy is always the mislynch.

Yeah

[VOTE: wolbre] aubergine

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:57 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:56 am Voting Dr. Wilgy. Incase he's bad. Cause I don't thin Wolbre is.
Hate this

>ties vote
>complains about other people's votes

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:54 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:52 am People: "wilgy is a bad vote for people scared to be held responsible"

Also people: "nah let's not vote for anybody on his wagon"
i dunno. there are very few scum in this game I believe would take that bait. it's the level 1 scum play.

I don't know tranq or sabie, so I'm not ruling it out for them. Could see Jules doing it too. Nutella idk

God I missed this

People: "wilgy is a bad vote for people scared to be held responsible"

Also people: "nah let's not vote for anybody on his wagon"

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:46 am With sloobie at 3 votes there's no reason for this level of freak out by him. It's very pingy.

Does anyone else see this

wat

[VOTE: colin] aubergine

Oh god no now I want to vote Sloonei just because of this stupid "posts too much to be mafia" didn't we disprove that already with JJJ

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:23 am TBQH Tranq seemed willfully ignorant with his poll question and then has been kinda blendy since then IDK.

+1

I would rather vote out Colin than either wilgy or Sloonei

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:20 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:18 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:16 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:14 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:12 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:05 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:01 am

At the time G-Man did that you were both on 2 votes. I put it to you that G-Man are working together to prevent each other's lynch on account of being Mafia together.

My argument. None of the other viable wagons are flailing around looking to build cases on the likes of juliets and sig. Both easy targets. You guys are doing it because you feel like you have more to lose than the rest of the candidates do because you are 2 members of the same Mafia team. Boom game set. Get out of my thread.
Why not just got back to Colin or wilgy tho
Decent questions. Most logical answer is they actually have a genuine scum read on juliets more so than they do on Colin or Wilgy. Remember we have mafia who can hunt mafia in this here game and it's always safer for them to be sincere especially in the early game.
Do you think the case on juliets was better than the other two? More well constructed, I mean, not whether you believe it
Are there cases on the other two?
You're...

you're fucking with me right
Go ahead and point at the cases.

Oh god now I have to dig through Sloonei's iso rip me

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:18 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:17 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:12 am ... G-Man has switched his vote to me too. Cool.

(Look at me I'm Mac)
... are you accusing me of bussing Sloonei?

No I was channeling you to accuse gman of bussing Sloonei

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:16 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:14 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:12 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:05 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:01 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:56 pm

Nothing on the surface I suppose but there's just something weird about the scientific way you are going about it all. I am currently doing mental gymnastics trying to build the synapse connections to quantify your alignment to your posts.
... huh? I'm looking at specific ISOs. That's... how people usually do this sort of thing. G-Man mentioned juliets, I realized I'd not given any thought to her this game. I looked, she's got an uninspiring ISO. I voted for her. Nobody has more than 3 votes in the poll and we've got over an hour to go. I'm confused by your confusion. This would hardly even qualify as a CFD. There's plenty of time and no established frontrunners.
At the time G-Man did that you were both on 2 votes. I put it to you that G-Man are working together to prevent each other's lynch on account of being Mafia together.

My argument. None of the other viable wagons are flailing around looking to build cases on the likes of juliets and sig. Both easy targets. You guys are doing it because you feel like you have more to lose than the rest of the candidates do because you are 2 members of the same Mafia team. Boom game set. Get out of my thread.
Why not just got back to Colin or wilgy tho
Decent questions. Most logical answer is they actually have a genuine scum read on juliets more so than they do on Colin or Wilgy. Remember we have mafia who can hunt mafia in this here game and it's always safer for them to be sincere especially in the early game.
Do you think the case on juliets was better than the other two? More well constructed, I mean, not whether you believe it
Are there cases on the other two?

You're...

you're fucking with me right

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:12 am ... G-Man has switched his vote to me too. Cool.

(Look at me I'm Mac)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:12 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:05 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:01 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:56 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:49 pm Sloo I find it strange that you are off looking at other candidates about an hour before EOD when we have about 18 people with votes on them.
I don't feel strongly about any of these candidates, and clearly there's no consensus anywhere. What's wrong with looking at other options?
Nothing on the surface I suppose but there's just something weird about the scientific way you are going about it all. I am currently doing mental gymnastics trying to build the synapse connections to quantify your alignment to your posts.
... huh? I'm looking at specific ISOs. That's... how people usually do this sort of thing. G-Man mentioned juliets, I realized I'd not given any thought to her this game. I looked, she's got an uninspiring ISO. I voted for her. Nobody has more than 3 votes in the poll and we've got over an hour to go. I'm confused by your confusion. This would hardly even qualify as a CFD. There's plenty of time and no established frontrunners.
At the time G-Man did that you were both on 2 votes. I put it to you that G-Man are working together to prevent each other's lynch on account of being Mafia together.

My argument. None of the other viable wagons are flailing around looking to build cases on the likes of juliets and sig. Both easy targets. You guys are doing it because you feel like you have more to lose than the rest of the candidates do because you are 2 members of the same Mafia team. Boom game set. Get out of my thread.
Why not just got back to Colin or wilgy tho
Decent questions. Most logical answer is they actually have a genuine scum read on juliets more so than they do on Colin or Wilgy. Remember we have mafia who can hunt mafia in this here game and it's always safer for them to be sincere especially in the early game.

Do you think the case on juliets was better than the other two? More well constructed, I mean, not whether you believe it

tfw you're not sure if people see your posts

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:01 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:56 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:49 pm Sloo I find it strange that you are off looking at other candidates about an hour before EOD when we have about 18 people with votes on them.
I don't feel strongly about any of these candidates, and clearly there's no consensus anywhere. What's wrong with looking at other options?
Nothing on the surface I suppose but there's just something weird about the scientific way you are going about it all. I am currently doing mental gymnastics trying to build the synapse connections to quantify your alignment to your posts.
... huh? I'm looking at specific ISOs. That's... how people usually do this sort of thing. G-Man mentioned juliets, I realized I'd not given any thought to her this game. I looked, she's got an uninspiring ISO. I voted for her. Nobody has more than 3 votes in the poll and we've got over an hour to go. I'm confused by your confusion. This would hardly even qualify as a CFD. There's plenty of time and no established frontrunners.
At the time G-Man did that you were both on 2 votes. I put it to you that G-Man are working together to prevent each other's lynch on account of being Mafia together.

My argument. None of the other viable wagons are flailing around looking to build cases on the likes of juliets and sig. Both easy targets. You guys are doing it because you feel like you have more to lose than the rest of the candidates do because you are 2 members of the same Mafia team. Boom game set. Get out of my thread.

Why not just got back to Colin or wilgy tho

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:40 pm
Spoiler: show
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:03 am Good morning everyone, we play at last! sabie12 so glad to have you back with us. And so glad to have you guys I've played mafia with for the most years - Tranq, S~V~S, Lorab and Sorsha. Hope I didn't miss anyone.

I also have no idea what the poll means so I'm going to wait to vote in it until there is some more discussion around it. Also, I will be at work today from 8:30 until this afternoon without access to the thread so I'm sure I'll come home to an explosion! Ok, so later.
The hardest part of trying to construct a case against juliets is that she's the human embodiment of warmth and kindness. Lose all emotional affect.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:22 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:39 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:21 pm These poll options seem quite meaningless.

Are people voting randomly or what?
The Tribunal of Judgment is from A World Apart, it was three civvies with BTSC plus a lynch switch and pardon. Seems pro-town imo
Wait a minute, I remember a game where I was part of a 3 civ group with BTSC that was a LC/BR game - was that World Apart? I can't remember mafia games years after I've played them at all. Anyway, I agree this sounds like a pro-town option so that's where I'm voting.
Similar to sig, this post has a "How do you do, fellow town?" vibe. She makes a deliberate point to frame her chosen option as pro-town before casting the vote. I'm skeptical.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:38 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:18 am Good news! Votes are indeed changeable, and I put mine on Tranq. Aubergine.
Sloonei, sorry if I missed your reasoning but what did you see about Tranq that made you put a vote on him?
Her first game-relevant action is to ask me about my Tranq vote. I don't know what she did with this question.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:50 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:25 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:48 am Hmm good, we've started actually playing.

Epi, you still feeling DDL?

SVS could be obliquely defending sabie or poking Sloonei. Not a big fan of sabie's response.

Jackofhearts2005 want to trust team? Coming back to a 30 player fancy game is intimidating and I need to find a handhold somewhere.
Update: I no longer want to trust team you.

Looks like a lot of people busy this weekend... including me (as I will be away most of today).

[VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine
So bob, you mention Epi's DDL suspicion and say you are not a fan of sable's responses but then vote Colin. Could you share why you voted him?
Similar question for cbob. In both cases her response was simply to say "thanks." You're welcome.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:24 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:00 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:37 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:21 pm These poll options seem quite meaningless.

Are people voting randomly or what?
As someone who has played several LC/BR games I don't know if I believe that you believe that anything in the game is meaningless.
This is why I voted for Tranq.
Ah, ok thanks Sloonei.
Do you have an opinion on this?
After thinking about it, I don't understand why Tranq said that after having played Long Rock games in the past, so maybe I should just ask him: @Tranq what made you say this after having played their games in the past where the polls - especially the first poll - were meaningful?

Also though, I'm less inclined to vote on day 1 one of the people who has been gone for years from our site. I'm not saying I won't vote for one but the evidence would have to be strong.

lots of linki which I will read after posting
Past-Sloonei was on the ball, though, and didn't let her off the hook that easy. She responded by essentially parroting the concern and then asking Tranq to explain his post, but then expressed hesitation about voting for players in Tranq's situation. In other words, she doesn't do much.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:14 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:58 pm I'm glad you asked, juliets.

Note i said poll options, not polls. LC/BR polls are always important.
A World Reborn's Day 0 poll options were literally meaningless. Players had to choose between Prog and other music genres. Poll options had nothing to do with the lore of the game. The outcome of the poll, however, did.
I did a quick search on these poll options and didn't find anything meaningful, and made my post.
huh, you're right. I went back and looked at the game and indeed the poll options were just music genres but the poll outcome was those that those who voted one of the options got taken off the day 1 poll. So, I see what you mean about the difference between options and polls so this explanation rings true to me. Thanks for explaining.
Accepts Tranq's response without criticism.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:14 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:11 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:05 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:59 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:43 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:30 pm
Hey SVS, I don't know if I've played with you before, but I've seen you around and sort of know about you. My valid suspicion of Colin shows that day one can contain valid suspicions. Mac doesn't think so, and therefore thinks I "attacked" nutella for no reason over her (in my opinon) completely invalid Jack suspicion. Does that clear things up for you?
Out of curiosity, what do you sort of know about S~V~S?
So um, speedchuck played game of champions with her last year, before I even joined the site, and he ranted to me about her suspecting him.
Yeah he aggressively defended the guy with the blinking neon "Baddie" sign on his head. Good times.

If people who know you better than I that I feel ok about tell me this is your norm, I am open to moving my vote. Plenty of day one weirdness in this thread lol.

But for now I'm good.
I would like to tell you a list of references who can attest to my civ game, but I get mislynched pretty often, because apparently I don't know how to play like a civ.
Luna does seem to get mislynched but I think it's because we don't know how to read her more than it is she doesn't know how to play like a civ. I thought her question to nutella was good, I also wondered if she was voting based on Hogwarts or something she has seen this game.
Vaguely vouches for luna while just-as-vaguely criticizing nutella, but I don't actually see a read on either player in this game right now. Not ideal.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:45 am I appreciate Epi's pointing out some oddities in Sloonei's posts because Sloonei is a tough nut to crack for me. He had me completely snowed in a game I played with him earlier this year where he was bad. But I agree with Sloonei's point that he doesn't think this is a sincere case. I think it's a bold move to enhance conversation.
Juliets is mostly just posting to express agreement with things. Is this normal for her?

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:55 am Something is bothering me about G-Man but I can't put my finger on it. I was not a fan of his post calling DH short sighted and dismissive. Maybe it's just the tone which isn't necessarily alignment indicative. Anyway, I agree with DDL, I'd like to see more from G-Man today.
This is one of my Red Flag statements. I always perk up when I see someone thrust such a vague suspicion on a person. Qualify that junk! Otherwise it can just be read as phony bandwagoning. Not a good look for juliets.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:39 am Ok, I found this quote from Mac:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:53 pm Oh I just read some Jack posts that pinged me. There's no actual case there.
Mac, would you share what posts pinged you?
Puts her attention on the Jack case, but... I don't see her actually doing much here.

There's a lot of the same for a while, then this:
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:32 pm I have to leave for awhile, I was hoping sig would post his walk-through before I had to go. For now, I'm going to vote for Wilgy.

@DrWilgy if you come online would please explain your vote for c-bob and tell us a little bit about your reads or suspicions or anything game related except mechanics?

I will be back after I have done my physical therapy. I will not, btw, be here for EOD. Way past my bedtime.
Yuck. Taken with the rest of Juliets' ISO, this vote is supremely weak. I can't identify a single read juliets has made this game, and her vote is on the established lazy low-poster option. Not good.

And then there's a couple more posts where she reacts to other people saying things without taking a stance. I have a definitive beef here. Juliets has spent most of the day agreeing with people and asking straightforward questions. I do not see a single read on a player anywhere in these posts, and I see no evidence that she's actively working with the information gained from any of the questions she's asked. I could get behind a juliets case.

@juliets, what are your reads on nutella and luna?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:42 pm [VOTE: juliets] aubergine

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:30 pm There's enough of us around to come to a better consensus than this

You don't think giving the tribunal half the player list to pick from is a good idea?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:22 pm Keeping my vote with drwilgy for now as of yet haven't seen much of a case not to other than someone saying he has done that before in other games. Unless he has some kind of personal stuff going on I don't see why he would vote no explanation and then just leave for the whole day phase.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm "l will vote wilgy because why not" no thank you

[VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:44 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:19 pmWhich players are you considering voting for?
It's the other way around for me right now, i have a couple of players i don't want to vote for. That's usually how it is on Day 1. G-Man's post is one i liked, for example.
I wouldn't mind a Wilgy vote.

Looking at wilgy voters and this post stands out. It's after juliets and Sloonei have expressed potential wilgy votes. "I don't really have people I want to vote for... maybe wilgy". Seems like an odd choice.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:39 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:37 pm Hmmm...sloonei I think said "take a look at sprityo" and I just did. This is his only post of any consequence:

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:34 am Coming from experience, i think sloonei looks town. I drilled a hole into him for his weird wording and actions in megaman, and we were both town. I'm more interested in the fact DDL still isnt the main topic of discussion with 3 votes on him
(he corrected DDL to Colin in his next post)

I don't disagree with his post but it's the only thing he's said that's relevant on day 1 (day 0 he gave us the definition of verisimilitude) and he only has 6 posts in all. This makes me nervous, it makes me think of a Day 1 lay-low baddie. I don't think it's enough to change my vote though. @sprityo if you come online could you give us some game related thoughts? Who are you going to vote for and why?
Probably no one, because I haven’t invested myself yet

Don’t get me wrong, this setup looks great, but I’ll be in the back seat putting lollipops in people’s hair until I think feel like doing otherwise

timmer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:18 pm Ugh, not liking that vote. There isn't enough on wilgy yo feel good about that vote. I need a better target.

"Disgusting"

Ok cowboys just lucked out to win in OT so now I can refocus on this for EOD (as soon as I stop running around and yelling)

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:07 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:05 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:51 pm i went to read back and noticed everyone was hankering for a sig lynch and let me tell you if you do it then i'm quitting mafia forever

i mean if there's more than the use of 'bloodthirsty' when describing SVS as the case against him then be my guest but what i've read makes me want to throw up
Make it 2
stop budding it wont work...

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Also he is handsome and smells nice.

(For real though thoae points are true regardless of Sloonei's and sig's alignment)

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:51 pm i went to read back and noticed everyone was hankering for a sig lynch and let me tell you if you do it then i'm quitting mafia forever

i mean if there's more than the use of 'bloodthirsty' when describing SVS as the case against him then be my guest but what i've read makes me want to throw up

Make it 2

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