The Syndicate

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:41 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:39 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:55 pm Epi I'm sorry I pinged you please just vote for Chaos Surpriseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

@colonialbob Yo you should vote chaos surprise and join the cool kids club
ytho.meme
Y not tho

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:55 pm Epi I'm sorry I pinged you please just vote for Chaos Surpriseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

@colonialbob Yo you should vote chaos surprise and join the cool kids club

ytho.meme

Good point.

(my worry is that "normal lynch" is booby trapped somehow.)

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:29 am It would be easier to manipulate I think. I would think it is votes for two people, which could be OK. But if both could be used for the same person, too much room for shenanigans.

But of the options other than "Normal" it seems the least potentially damaging, I guess.

Why not just everybody use two votes on the same person? There's less room for shenanigans there than other places (at that point it's just a normal lynch)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:31 pm Hey Bob. I am gonna shoot you again tonight if you are in range k? Can you please not shoot me though thx.

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DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:38 pm Whatever. I am going to cry into my pillow.

Can't believe you've done this.

SVS I agree it should probably be speedchuck tomorrow, pending night shenanigans of course

A fun thing to do is not listen to outed mafia or clearly non-town-friendly Indys.

Sorry DH, but I believe you about as much as I believe Mac is being pro-town.

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:02 pm Because we got your teammate.

It's a balancing game for the CR too. There's no reason civs should be doing their dirty work while they pick us off. Mac and speed are known and out there and a more active threat than the town atm.

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:42 pm We're lynching DH tomorrow. 100%. We have to commit to it now. @S~V~S @sabie12 @Dana @colonialbob. He's not gonna get nightkilled. @MacDougall I hope you find Epi and try to get your win con back. Or try cbob again. The Corrupt Remnant is too strong right now and we're too close to endgame.

TH today, DH tomorrow, hopefully Remnant is smart and kills a blade tonight!

Probably meaningless but
[VOTE: TH] aubergine

EBWOP: and have 2 neutrals who apparently won't vote for you

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:49 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:40 am So if DH is still neutral we want to lynch speedchuck, because of the silencing.

If he was recruited, that puts us at 3 remnant, 2 blade, 2 neutral, 4 civ. Lynching TH puts us back at 2-2, two civ kills means it's 2-2-2-2, blade can silence a civ or a remnant and mostly control the lynch. Idk if there's much we can do here. Hopefully in this scenario remnant kill speedchuck I guess which gives them a better chance if we mislynch but us a chance if we lynch DH or them.

Somebody please check my reasoning I'm spinning out over here.
How does 2 v 2 v 2 v 2 mean that Speedchuck and I are controlling the lynch? We literally have two votes.

And can nullify another one and apparently have 2 neutrals who won't vote for you

So if DH is still neutral we want to lynch speedchuck, because of the silencing.

If he was recruited, that puts us at 3 remnant, 2 blade, 2 neutral, 4 civ. Lynching TH puts us back at 2-2, two civ kills means it's 2-2-2-2, blade can silence a civ or a remnant and mostly control the lynch. Idk if there's much we can do here. Hopefully in this scenario remnant kill speedchuck I guess which gives them a better chance if we mislynch but us a chance if we lynch DH or them.

Somebody please check my reasoning I'm spinning out over here.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:25 am Turnip Head has been resurrected!

There are no resurrections left in the game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:50 pm Hey Bob how come you survived my tentacle slap you evil fuck?

The secret to my survival was

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Welcome back Enrique.

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:47 am Colonialbob gave an interesting vote there.

Thanks for the tip la! Voting worked. And went with questions and answers. Mainly because I don’t want to do what DH says because duh. And I don’t trust most of the people who voted that way. Which brings me to my Thought above about not liking bob’s vote

Also,other than the fact that d h told us he wasn’t recruited and could no longer be, why do you believe him?

Link it is: I do believe he was that role. However, I don’t know what statements he checked, if all information in the game is reliable, and if there was any room for misinterpretation

I voted whatever sounded coolest. I'm open to other votes especially since DH voted this one. Feel free to persuade me.

I'm not saying DH hasn't been recruited, just that he wasn't originally mafia. So there are 2 original Blades and 1 original Remnant.

And yeah to answer SVS I believe Sig was truthful and was the psionic ninja. That doesn't mean the people he vouched for are lock town, I have no idea what he checked. It's a point in favor of you two though.

Speedchuck needs to be the next lynch though. 2 blades to 1 remnant, plus his silencing negates votes.

11 players: 2 blades, 1 remnant, 3 3P leaves 5 civs. Worst case is 2 civ deaths tonight, meaning a silence of a civ vote requires both other civs plus the remnant to vote together to get rid of a blade (ignoring 3p votes because who knows wtf they will do).

In fact if remnants want to just kill speedchuck that'd be fine too.

Well that was definitely a day phase. Wew lads.

[mention]S~V~S[/mention] idk yet. I need to go back and do some interaction reads, maybe Timmer will narrow stuff down. At this point I'm Quin and DH are pretty much mechanically confirmed as 3p and Mac/Speed are obviously the other mafia. Epi is probably 3p too. Other than that I'm planning on reevaluating everybody.

Not gonna lie when I saw I was silenced I just walked away from the thread, so I've got to go back and read what happened.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:16 pm So I guess all that jazz yesterday was just bullshit. Good to know.

Oh look Mac rezzed his teammate

Totally on town's side you guys

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 3:55 am i called epi bad early and not only was i double-right but in not listening to me an entire mafia team was outted at once that must suck

Me-ow

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:55 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:50 pm And no I can't point to any specific moment I was like "damn I'm so civ" because I wasn't thinking about appearing civ because I am civ so I don't have to worry about trying to blend
Idk if that's true? As I civ I am still very concerned about appearing civ too. Mislynches are real common and there's lots of manipulation happening all the time. You can't just not care about how you're perceived no matter what role you are, I don't think that's how this game works.

*shrug* that's generally how I play, and it usually works well. I hunt for mafia and the rest will generally sort itself out. I'm much more concerned about my appearance when I'm bad.

Besides DH obvi

I mean for that matter who's left that you can point to as having "damn that's definitely a civ" moments

There probably are some, I just don't have them on the top of my head because it's not something I've been thinking about

And no I can't point to any specific moment I was like "damn I'm so civ" because I wasn't thinking about appearing civ because I am civ so I don't have to worry about trying to blend

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:48 pm So you have no actual alibis? You've encountered no players whose trust you have exchanged? There is no actual civilian activity you wish to point at and say "damn right there I was being a civ"!

Jack.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:45 pm Anyway his case is rested. Thank you CorruptableBob.

My case is as follows:

If you look for an argument to favour ColonialBob being a civilian, you will not find one. ColonialBob has been just ... there. In the background moving the dialogue, casting his votes, influencing play. No stake in the ground. He has played no part in any of the major moments of the game. He has been on the fringe of things. Nobody knows a thing about him, he has received very little suspicion.

ColonialBob, feeling the pressure of process of elimination and seeing the opposing Mafia destroyed and their last holdout chirping like a canary in the thread, is freaking out. He, like me, knows who everyone else is. He sees civilians agreeing to trust me. He knows his goose is cooked if he doesn't say something right now. So he does. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Look in your heart of hearts and give me a reason why ColonialBob is a civilian.

My role PM says so

So far your best argument is "he's so town he has to be mafia which... wew lads

I'll answer actual points, but "you're playing checkers I'm playing chess" isn't really an argument now is it

K.

I'm done getting in a back and forth pissing match, because that's not really fun for anybody else and it's not like the arguing is going to convince anybody. I'm happy to lay out my case again for why Mac's plan isn't some magical town-favoring super plan, but honestly I feel like "hey maybe let's not just do everything the self-admitted mafioso says because he promises it will be good for us" should be enough.

But then people voted for Cataclysm so

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:35 pm Well there isn't. It's a trap card and you walked into it. The town are all confused and in the dark. The only person who actively argues with the logic of the strategy is the troll or the villain. I silenced DH mainly for lulz but also because he's an agent of chaos and never does the logical thing, which given I know who all the townies are and I know they are all logicians, was the only thing I had to worry bout.

You should have just stayed quiet.

Nope. I've seen this movie before and spoiler alert it isn't good for town.

Eliminating a night kill is a Good Thing.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:31 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:26 pm "wooh this is easy nobody is suspecting me let's coast wait what Mac knows who we are and everyone believes him hold my beer shit..."
Yeah totally coming out against this "let me help the town win" plan is a very smart move for me, an opposing mafia player, because sticking your neck out unnecessarily is always the good play

As opposed to just, dying. It's a fairly disadvantageous position I put you in admittedly.

If I'm mafia why do I make a play before you actually come out and name me?

Yep I've changed my mind I'm pretty on board to lynch Mac tomorrow, since obviously he doesn't actually know who the other mafia is.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:30 pm
Dana wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:27 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:25 pm
Dana wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:23 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:12 pm Oh man Mac silenced DH lol
Why do you say this?
Because Mac claimed he can see everybody around him and that fits with Darth Malignus the silencer
I thought it would be funny.
So you did silence DH? Why is this the first time you used your silencing power? And wouldn't you be able to see around you anyway just due to being mafia or is that not how it works
Speedchuck silenced him because I asked him to. I am not Darth Malignus. Speedchuck is.

That's slightly less funny.

But only slightly.

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:28 pm I mean Mac said the only people who would oppose would be the other mafia team or indie chaos enhancers. I don't think it's a perfect plan but it seems good enough to me. I know literally nothing so info is pretty cool I think

Yes, Mac said the only people who would oppose his plan are bad. That's, like, classic well poisoning. There's obviously no other possible reason to oppose his plan other than being bad, and thus you can safely discount all given reasons to oppose the plan because they are fake because they've been made up by somebody who's obviously bad (because they are opposing the plan, see). It's airtight.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:27 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:25 pm
Dana wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:23 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:12 pm Oh man Mac silenced DH lol
Why do you say this?
Because Mac claimed he can see everybody around him and that fits with Darth Malignus the silencer
I thought it would be funny.

It was

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:26 pm "wooh this is easy nobody is suspecting me let's coast wait what Mac knows who we are and everyone believes him hold my beer shit..."

Yeah totally coming out against this "let me help the town win" plan is a very smart move for me, an opposing mafia player, because sticking your neck out unnecessarily is always the good play

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:25 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:24 pm "let me pretend to know who the other mafia is and then I'll just claim it's the first person who criticizes my plan"
You got me ColonialBob. My entire plan has been unravelled. Just like that.

It's ok, you tried

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:24 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:23 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:17 pm Okay okay Colonialbob is one of them if that wasn't obvious by his hilarious overreaction.
Lol "hilarious overreaction" ok bud
You have been a non entity until now and all of a sudden it's like whoa whoa back up jack.

From where I am sitting it was pretty hilarious.

I was traveling today, like I posted earlier. Just got back to the thread to catch up

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:23 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:12 pm Oh man Mac silenced DH lol
Why do you say this?

Because Mac claimed he can see everybody around him and that fits with Darth Malignus the silencer

"let me pretend to know who the other mafia is and then I'll just claim it's the first person who criticizes my plan"

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:17 pm Okay okay Colonialbob is one of them if that wasn't obvious by his hilarious overreaction.

Lol "hilarious overreaction" ok bud

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:16 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:10 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:06 pm I'm not going to die.
Hopefully you'll forgive me if I don't stake the game on this assurance?
Why would you have to? Am I a threat to you?

Idk but if you die and Mac regains his mafia win con he is

Oh man Mac silenced DH lol

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:06 pm I'm not going to die.

Hopefully you'll forgive me if I don't stake the game on this assurance?

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:06 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:25 pm For the uninitiated:

1. I am Jagged Blade. So is speedchuck, sorsha and juliets (obvs).
2. We killed Turnip Head.
3. We didn't kill Kylemii.
4. Epignosis stripped my win condition on night 2 so I can't win as Mafia.
5. Epignosis as The Hunger joined our team (at the time we didn't know it was him). We were given the chance to send him a message to prevent him hungering us. Someone (not me) sent him a message that effectively revealed all of us to him.
6. Epi left the team and then info dumped our names to the thread.
7. I by process of elimination due to being able to see most of the players positions every night have worked out who the Mafia are.
8. I know there are alternate wincons around.
9. I am asking you to let me live til I am the last Mafia standing to give me long enough to maybe find a benign 3p win con. Which I already have been searching for and have a clue on how to find.
So I believe all of this up to 6, not sure I believe 7, 8 is pretty obvious, and 9 is "lol nope" levels. Like I've seen too many baddies (usually SK of course) pull the "you need to leave me alive to have a chance" and it turns around and bites civs. I mean, you do still presumably have a night kill which is not a town friendly thing. And I mean shit you've already said you can't win as long as Epi is alive which may or may not be that much longer since he's not necessarily a town-friendly indy.

That said, I'm willing to hear what you have to say tomorrow, and I don't think you're necessarily an auto-lynch or anything. But I have a hard time figuring out how eliminating a NK is a negative thing for town.
So you're saying that you don't believe that he knows who the other mafia team is? If he is just trying to survive until Epi dies and he gets his win condition back, why would he out himself and his team and not just continue pretending to be a civ?

I believe he has a better idea of who the other team is than we do, but I don't think he has some iron clad 100% knowledge, no. He outs himself because Epi already outed his team and once speedchuck gets lynched (which already seemed on the way to happening) he's the obvious next suspect. So outing himself and convincing us he isn't a threat is the best play to keep himself in the game. I just don't believe it's as purely altruistic as he would like to pretend.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:56 pm Speedchuck is unfortunately very unwell and is going back to the hospital today so please keep him in your thoughts and direct positive energy his way.

Get better soon speedchuck. Positivity definitely headed your way.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:41 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:40 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:58 pm I'm willing to risk it. Even without Epi's stuff there's Jack's info on sig/sprityo/speedchuck as would-be DH killers, my vote is already on speedchuck.
As of right here I'm down with the Chuck.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Continuing to catch up.
It's a fun read.

Boy you weren't lying

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