The Syndicate

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:53 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:51 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:07 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:07 pm Off wagon: Epi, michelle, 112
On TSP: Poison, Vul, Ted, Ash, LC
On TH: Arete, Nanook, Hally, TSP, tutuu, DrWilgy

are there the wolves?

no its bastard actually. everyone is town

please tell me something serious about this

i have no idea

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:50 pm Okay, so instead of going to sleep, I decided to write the case NOW. Awesome.

The first few things in TSP’s ISO:
- A mafia claim
- Memes
- Random comments.

I interpret this as “trying too hard to be funny as you arrive in the thread.” I actually dislike the fact he didn’t come in with a solving mindset, considering he came in late and already had content to work with. It felt like he had no intention to solve to begin with.

After that, he randomly gives me a locktown “read,” because I apparently wrote some very towny posts. I would put quotes here, but you can’t multiquote while ISOing here and jumping to every single post to multiquote it would take me forever. So, nope. Sorry, you’re not getting that, you’ll have to read it yourself.

I also question the townread on me. Not only because I found it premature, but also because it was really random. It felt like TSP wanted to at least have one read, so he settled on an “easy townread.” Unlike 112, who came in guns blazing and attacking two people who were not really considered scummy, TSP walked in with memes, tossed a random easy townread and offered commentary that didn’t mean anything. It feels too jokey to come from town. No solving mindset, only meme mindset, and even though I know for a fact that TSP is indeed a memer, I don’t think it would be amped up to 11 so early if he had a green rolecard.

He later provides more takes; 112 “chainsawing” but no alignment read. Wilgy town based on a single post. (Consider how bad this looks now. Now that he is in PoE with Wilgy, he is ready to push Wilgy and actively gunning for that.) Dunya “don’t like this,” but apparently no alignment read (I’m assuming an implied wolfread). It feels like he’s more than ready to give out townreads without explanation, but when it comes to things he DOES NOT LIKE, he does not call people “mafia.” Just says he “does not like” certain things. It’s probably a stupid read, but I think it says something about his approach to the game. Maybe he knows the people he called town are town, and the people he called mafia are either not mafia or they are his partners. Maybe.

He then provides more memelike takes. Post #1481 about dunya gives me really bad vibes, because it feels like it was written about a partner. And even if it was not written about a partner, it has this certain part which really, REALLY looks like TMI on me and Arete both being town. Ash pointed it out early, I agreed with it, and I agree with it even more now that I return to this post once again. Post #1481 is one post you really have to read, I think you’ll draw a similar conclusion. The addition of “TR on LC. Spicy.” And “I’ll move my vote for now.” Both feel forced as well.

#1484 This feels like a post intended to throw confusing ideas into the mix to break us apart. The way I understand it is that he claims to think I’m… unconventional? And I’m assuming he thinks I’m town… and he’s saying that I found 112’s partner with one of my accusations, and 112 is chainsawing me for that reason…? That feels like one hell of a sneaky preflip right there, 112 + one person I’d accused before. And it doesn’t even look like TSP actually believes what he’s saying. He even throws Tutuu, who flipped town, as “potential scum who could bolster this association.” Not his own words, but that is essentially what he says. TSP is seeking to create preflip associations here, possibly leading to chainlynches on town.

#1485 Feels like a whiteknight on Arete, which is weird for me to say because I also think Arete’s town.

#1488 Reacts to three votes on Michelle in rapid succession with a “wtf.” I think this is slightly forced. I don’t think a townie says nothing but a “wtf” here. A few people spoke up in the thread after he said the wtf, and they said more things than he did. Like Ash, myself, and Hally. By comparison, this looks negligent, not very believable. Bad. At least in my opinion.

#1492 Continues to shade tutuu. You could say “if he went out of his way to shade tutuu, why does his mafia team make the kill?” And my answer is “it doesn’t matter.” These posts were still written relatively early into the day. Mafia can’t always afford to kill exactly who they “townread” in the thread, they have to make alterations sometimes. Heck, maybe one of them picked up on tutuu’s PRing later than expected and they needed a change of plans. Hard to say.

He then memes more, but that is expected from TSP. I don’t mind it here. I REALLY minded it early in his ISO when it felt really out of place.

#1498 At least he directly says that both his mafia reads are hedges, and he even generated this weird dunya-related preflip earlier.

#1718 I’m… not sure where the read changed. I’m reading the ISO carefully and I don’t see the change. Could be him being fickle. In a vacuum, this is actually towny.

He says that Ash is “too logical” and wonders if it is towny. It feels like indirect shade once again. I don’t think he actually cares about having this question answered. He doesn’t attempt to push Ash, either.

#1762 and #1763 baffle me once more. He now declares that tutuu is town, because she had an answer to his question that he had not been expecting. Okay… And then, he immediately pivots to suspecting Hally for no apparent reason, as if Hally were somewhat associated with tutuu. It looks like TSP is basing his reads on some weird internal preflips, potentially opportunistic ones.

Hally seems equally baffled by this, because they question TSP about it immediately. His explanation in #1768 doesn’t actually answer Hally’s question, and instead, it creates a group of worlds concerning tutuu I don’t exactly understand. If I were to guess at what this means, it looks like TSP is giving himself an out in case his read turns out to be wrong, by saying that he can be wrong and that there is a theoretical world where tutuu is mafia. But in essence, he just dodges Hally’s question.

His explanation there is really bizarre. He says that Hally attempted to deny the clear on tutuu (based on tutuu’s play differing from her scumgame), and since lying is antitown, that makes Hally potential mafia. He then says that voting for Wilgy is wrong, thus defending the scummier of the two slankers while simultaneously getting out of Hally’s questioning as quickly as he can.

He then hedges his read on Hally in #1781. Again, when he is suspicious of someone, he just hedges. There is no confidence or even a direct alignment read. Just call people mafia. You are allowed to be wrong. I’ve called Ash mafia before, now he’s a part of my towncore.

At this point, I’m like…. What if TSP being difficult to understand and hedging left and right makes him town? Maybe there’s just no agenda and he has no idea how to play the game?

But then I remember his weird preflippy posts, and the fact he seems to avoid people’s questions, and the fact that his reads seem to be completely RNG. I can’t follow his process at all. If he’s town, he is making it INCREDIBLY HARD to find him town. Like, let’s take his later posts into account.

He locktowns LC for one post. …Okay.

Denies the clear on Poison that I attempted.

Says that he does not want to vote for Wilgy because he always reads Wilgy scum when Wilgy is town and vice versa. …Okay. I am still waiting for literally any scumreads instead of hedges and random commentary about posts he considers “bad.” The most scumhunting I have seen from him was when he generated worlds with preflips. Which is a big no.

He has not tried to build a towncore, nor has he attempted to cooperate with people. His solving process is largely invisible, and he jumps from target to target with no rhyme or reason. If there is any solving in there, I simply don’t see it. It feels much more like he is just doing whatever.

He lock cleared Arete first, but in #2036 he is entertaining an Arete PoE for… reasons. He then apparently starts to re-evaluate Arete by pointing out what he found scummy about them. He then says that Dunya and Tutuu are always same alignment… Again, for no reason. For all we know, he could be partners with Dunya and trying to clear her based on absolutely nothing.

Has a scumread on Poison, but it is not explained. The first time it appears is when he denies my townclear on her. The second time is when he just randomly calls her mafia in post #2139. He put her in PoE on his readlist before, but wanted to give her a day. Again, I have no idea how he reached this conclusion.

In #2156, says that TH’s post was “the scummiest post in the game,” laying groundwork for TH’s later misyeet. I know that he was ultimately forced to self-pres, but I think that this post of his must have given the wagon some traction indirectly. It is also, again, VERY RANDOM. He had just put TH in his nullreads, but now, all of a sudden, he is like “this is very mafia” based on two posts. It’s like he sensed an opportunity or something. I don’t actually have a good explanation for this one. He could still be the ficklest town I have ever seen, reading people completely at random and with a solving process so invisible I cannot see it anywhere. But what I’m reading here feels much more like opportunistic, “haha I’m random” mafia.

#2177 He has four mafia reads at this point: 112, Michelle, Wilgy, Ash. Yet he had just called TH’s post “the scummiest post in the game.” His reasons for suspecting these people are bizarre and frankly should not justify his reads there. I’m not sure if this is just weird town, or mafia who genuinely doesn’t have good answers at this point, I don’t know. He just hedges. So. Much. On everything. I don’t remember him being like this in Champs.

I am currently going back to Champs to read his town games there. And what I see is that he is much solvier from the very beginning. He still memes, but he is actually trying to solve and I can see that. Sure, he hedges sometimes, and he builds worlds, but it all comes across as much more genuine to me than what he is doing here. Here, it feels much more like a completely random string of changing his mind and pushing whoever happens to be pushable.

I cannot see a genuine solving process in TSP’s ISO here, throughout the entirety of day 1, at any point whatsoever. And I have seen it within so many people’s posts. But not his.

When he gets pushed toward the end of day 1, he shades several people on his wagon, including Ash and Arete, who I both read town. He memes about it at first, but then starts giving actual reasons why these people are potentially mafia for pushing on him. All of sudden, now that he is being voted by them, he provides actual reasons to suspect them. They are not very strong, but they are still… reasons. Why then, instead of doing it instantly? He did not even TRY to get them yeeted before he was pushed, really. He just posted random comments without pointing the finger directly.

To his credit, he then says that killing TH is stupid, but it has to be done, because nobody can agree on anyone else and because EoD is fast approaching. That is a sentiment I’ve agreed with before. But it still feels weird. I’m not sure about the “most scummy post of the game” post if TSP had never actually actively scumread TH. Then why did he post that?

#2532 is like “I will self-pres, TH will flip town and you will look stupid.” The post does not actually say most of that, but that is how I interpret it mindset-wise. I suppose it’s not alignment indicative…

#2579 brags about his postcount. Well, since his posts are reads which look random, hedgy scumreads, and memes, I don’t think there’s anything to brag about, but that’s another thing and I’m not trying to be rude here.

He then shades Poison for voting him as well. I’m starting to suspect antispew here. All he’s doing is shading his wagon and complaining about self-pressing on a 2-poster, both of which tell us nothing about the game if he flips red. They are the types of posts you would write if you were mafia in danger of getting yeeted, which… he was, if he is mafia.

And finally, #2642. The post we all think is towny. I think so too. But I don’t think it’s clearing.

In summary, the crux of my scumread on TSP is that I don’t see a solving process in his posts. What I see is a string of memes, potentially opportunistic reads, weird preflips that only create confusion and unnecessary associations… and when he was in real danger of dying, he also generated some posts which looked suspiciously like antispew.

And that is not what I saw in his Champs games, where he was town both times and where I could see that he was genuinely solving. His semifinal comes to mind. You can chalk it up to “he is not trying too hard here,” but I think it goes beyond that. It’s not him not trying. It’s him not feeling an obligation to solve, so he just does random stuff and calls it a day. Because he is mafia.

I think I should be able to tell that he is here to solve the game. But I can’t say that he is. And I’ve read his entire day 1 ISO. I’m ignoring the posts written during the night and during day 2, because I think reading his day 1 is enough to reach this conclusion. I’m pretty sure TSP is just mafia, and while his ISO does contain some towny aspects, there are also much fewer towny aspects in comparison to most other players in this game. Which is yet another reason why he should definitely be a prime yet contender for today.

If someone is willing to convince me that TSP is town here, then please do that. But right now, I think he’s just mafia who isn’t trying to solve the game and who’s pretending that he’s doing something -- through memes, worldbuilding, and random read switches, which do not really hold up under close scrutiny (like Hally briefly did in that one moment, which also showcased TSP trying to dodge and avoid their questions).

I’m already voting TSP. I invite you to the wagon. We have free space.

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:07 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:07 pm Off wagon: Epi, michelle, 112
On TSP: Poison, Vul, Ted, Ash, LC
On TH: Arete, Nanook, Hally, TSP, tutuu, DrWilgy

are there the wolves?

no its bastard actually. everyone is town

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:21 pm "His posts made me laugh in semis and they don't make me laugh here" shouldn't be a viable read. :<

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:42 pm Morning.

I’m liking the last few pages of development. I think we’re getting a strong towncore together and the epi/tsp/Michelle/Wilgy/Long Con/Arete PoE is likely just good.

Got stuff to do this morning, will be able to post more this arvo.

112 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:16 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:00 pm the question is does it mean something that all four of us even want to read michelle town at all even though we acknowledge the reasons aren’t strong? like does that make michelle more likely town just because it feels like that? idk

This sounds like philosophy to me.

@TonyStarkPrime

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:49 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:49 am there's a weird thing here though

ash disaligns me and wilgy, something he wouldn't do if ash/wilgy w/w but he picks up on wilgy/hally, something he wouldn't do if ash/wilgy w/v

so

?

you seem to basically be solving the game around pre-flipping wilgy rn. why are you doing that?

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:55 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:49 am there's a weird thing here though

ash disaligns me and wilgy, something he wouldn't do if ash/wilgy w/w but he picks up on wilgy/hally, something he wouldn't do if ash/wilgy w/v

so

?

So finish the thought.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:51 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:37 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:33 pm lc, you acknowledge that nook always plays like this as town. what makes him scum this time as opposed to town who is just using the same method he always does?

I will probably never stop suspecting him for it, because it's plainly such an effortless thing to base his game around, and if that's all it takes to be read as town then he's going to take everyone to the cleaners each and every time he rolls scum. Just depends on which side of history you want to be on.

tbh, i think this is a fair point.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:49 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:42 am

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:35 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:33 pm

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:16 pm The Hally/Wilgy argument is actually valid, I think.

Like, I don't think that's the world we're in, but she totally did play a role in making TH Tony's counterwagon instead of Wilgy. And now she's pushing Long Con ahead of him.

A scum strategy where the powerwolf keeps pushing some other scummy player as a marginally better choice than their PoE partner could be a thing.

What the heck
I take it all back
Everything I said was wrong

what do you think is right Mr.Tony?

ash and 112 ash and 112 ash and 112

interesting ! do you plan to push them?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:52 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:47 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:46 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:42 am i really hate saying stuff like this but i feel i have to put my foot down and say that i absolutely refuse to allow a nook wagon to happen. @DrWilgy @Long Con you should move. nook is town

Kay

you're not helpful

Want me to vote 112?

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:40 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:38 pm

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:36 pm I think if Hally wants Wilgy to live she just gets on board with the Tony wagon though. Unless the team is exactly Tony/Wilgy/Hally I guess. But I doubt Wilgy and Tony are paired, so that's a pretty unlikely world.

Why do you doubt that Wilgy and Tony are paired

Because he blatantly asked you where he should vote in thread, and that's not something I would expect a partner to do.

Like maybe some high level wolves relying on wifom would, but unless Wilgy contains depths I haven't seen I'm pretty sceptical that exactly he does it.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:35 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:33 pm

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:16 pm The Hally/Wilgy argument is actually valid, I think.

Like, I don't think that's the world we're in, but she totally did play a role in making TH Tony's counterwagon instead of Wilgy. And now she's pushing Long Con ahead of him.

A scum strategy where the powerwolf keeps pushing some other scummy player as a marginally better choice than their PoE partner could be a thing.

What the heck
I take it all back
Everything I said was wrong

what do you think is right Mr.Tony?

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:33 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:26 am The thing besides POE that makes me think LC might actually be Mafia is that he’s actually been open to the virtues of POE and towncore style play in the past, and while not entirely buying into it himself had seemed to reach some level of “I don’t know how but it seems like it works for you guys so good on you” acceptance...so his vitriol towards it this game and his characterizing myself as being lazy and low effort for playing the way I do is out of line with what I perceive his actual views to be

Maybe he’s just fed up or pissy or something, but if I’m looking for a reason he could be scum beyond the OMGUS “you’re being a dick fuck you too” that would be it. I don’t really see a tangible difference between, say, this game and upick where he was town and accepting of the existence of POE.

Interesting point. Can anyone else confirm that Nook’s memory of this is correct?

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:36 am

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:33 am

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:31 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:27 am

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:40 am Michelle, earlier you said I looked like a scum too afraid to push for a mislynch.

Do you still think that?

Earlier was in the previous day isn't it? You ask like it was minutes ago?

I recently showed scum behaviour of yours and you instead talking to me you chose Hally to express worries about me. This is nagl.

You said to Hally that you said open somewhere that you SR me but i didn't read all the thread, because i am too busy for this, but at the moment of my reaction you did what i said.

A bad sight for Hally's power towning i am 99% we are witnessing in this game is that townies can't keep up with her, i certainly can't so big chunks of the thread remains unread.

Correct, it was yesterday that you said that. I am trying to understand how your read on me has developed.

I didn’t respond to your vote right away as it took some time to digest and decide how I felt about it.

Ash, how do you feel about the wagons on you in general.? I mean, if we rule out the timing, how do you generally see it as?

I dunno, although there’s been a lot of suspicion voiced about me there’s not been many votes.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:38 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:35 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:19 pm

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:16 pm The Hally/Wilgy argument is actually valid, I think.

Like, I don't think that's the world we're in, but she totally did play a role in making TH Tony's counterwagon instead of Wilgy. And now she's pushing Long Con ahead of him.

A scum strategy where the powerwolf keeps pushing some other scummy player as a marginally better choice than their PoE partner could be a thing.

You would have to convince me that Hally is bad. Can you do that?

Somethin somethin Bayes

what do you mean by bayes? i don't quite understand.

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:38 am like does anyone actually believe i would 700 post in a game as scum only to then use my clout to kill... trip and wilgy. surely i can aim higher if im a wolf lol

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:59 pm if im mafia at EoD1 i subtly angle towards killing tony without ever fully supporting it so that i get him killed but when he flips town the people who push him look bad not me. i don’t push back on his wagon

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:51 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:49 pm Long Con at L-2 two hours into the day like this is philo mafia

There’s no hammer

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:51 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:39 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:38 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:34 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:17 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:08 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:25 pm tony, you don’t really seem like you want to kill wilgy today. is that fair to say? who do you want to kill instead if you could pick anyone?

This post was made when it looked like Wilgy was the likely counterwagon.

what about that post indicates im teamed with wilgy? i kinda struggle to believe this is a genuine take

Do you agree that without this post Wilgy dies

absolutely not. wilgy had like three votes. you had like five or six. i don’t think my one post raising doubt that wilgy was scum saved him from what otherwise would have been his inevitable death. that’s pretty silly

Okay, rather what the post is emblematic of. You didn’t get behind chopping Wilgy and did get behind chopping Trip. It’s something worth noting.

this is a mischaracterization. from my perspective when i checked in at eod you were going to be the elimination. you had five or six votes and i thought you were going over. i wasn’t on board with killing you D1. i think i was one of three votes on wilgy at the time and 112 also had three votes. i didn’t want to kill 112 either. then i unvoted wilgy, who as far as i could tell wasn’t dying even with my vote because people seemed intent on killing you and nobody was moving to wilgy. then i voted sleep as a placeholder just to be like “i dont like 112 or tony as options.” then i switched to trip and was maybe the second or third vote there. and that was really just a placeholder and i did not think trip would gain traction over you and go over. but apparently since everyone just blindly sheeps me this game trip ended up with six votes, which i was fine with because i thought it was better than killing you

this is what EoD looked like from my pov. i didn’t think wilgy was a real option. i didn’t even think trip was. i just wanted to vote someone who wasn’t you. but this narrative that i was gunning for trip and was hard against wilgy is not accurate. what i was against really was killing you or 112

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:54 pm 10. Additional gameplay elements will be added/revealed on an as-needed basis.

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:45 pm Tony, If Hally is a wolf, why are you alive?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:43 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:33 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:12 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:09 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:57 pm didn’t mac say wilgy is a very good scum player and wouldn’t slank so much as scum? because this is hard core slanking

Then there’s this later which ended up keeping Wilgy from being the cw

I'm more interesting in understanding why Mac's opinion about Wilgy is relevant here to anyone.

You all know that

1) Mac isn't in this and
2) Mac says utter bullshit to advance whatever Mac (sober or otherwise) wishes to advance

Right?

Well the view I’m positing that you don’t like is that Hally brought it up to steer the lynch away from Wilgy

Hell, I'm trying to get people to pick people other than Wilgy. It's boring and keeps mafia safe. If you are mafia, and Wilgy is on your team, you don't give a shit what happens to him because he isn't here. Oh well. If you are a civilian, then you should be trying to pin everybody else down. None of this "The game is on autopilot" bullshit (looking at you birthday boy ted).

If I'm Wilgy's teammate, I don't defend him. He either wins for us or he self-destructs. Hally isn't mafia.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:15 pm why was th yeeted is a funny question and the question probably should be why was th yeeted /over wilgy/

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:41 pm like you’re making it sound like wilgy was headed for certain death and then i hard defended him and everyone was like “welp guess we can’t vote him now and have to kill trip.” but no part of that is even close to true

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:38 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:34 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:17 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:08 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:25 pm tony, you don’t really seem like you want to kill wilgy today. is that fair to say? who do you want to kill instead if you could pick anyone?

This post was made when it looked like Wilgy was the likely counterwagon.

what about that post indicates im teamed with wilgy? i kinda struggle to believe this is a genuine take

Do you agree that without this post Wilgy dies

absolutely not. wilgy had like three votes. you had like five or six. i don’t think my one post raising doubt that wilgy was scum saved him from what otherwise would have been his inevitable death. that’s pretty silly

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:36 pm I think if Hally wants Wilgy to live she just gets on board with the Tony wagon though. Unless the team is exactly Tony/Wilgy/Hally I guess. But I doubt Wilgy and Tony are paired, so that's a pretty unlikely world.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:22 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:09 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:57 pm didn’t mac say wilgy is a very good scum player and wouldn’t slank so much as scum? because this is hard core slanking

Then there’s this later which ended up keeping Wilgy from being the cw

which you verified as true....