The Syndicate

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:50 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:50 am
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:49 am i promise you guys im not mafia does that help
pls find wolves we know you’re not mafia
there's 8 people in this poll and im voting for at least 2 wolves

Guillo will accuse me of TMI something but this is incredibly unlikely

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:49 am i promise you guys im not mafia does that help

pls find wolves we know you’re not mafia

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:47 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:32 am I’m trying to conceive of the mastermind of a wolf team filled with the people who seem just out of reach — Paopan, Wilgy, maybe JPIC? Wolves ought to be more likely here. Not sure what would make that machine function.
DrWilgy isn't even that top of a pick. It's just that I believe they could still be wolf because individually they haven't done much game advancing for town and we're only clearing them for external factors that could easily be faked.

I think somehow there’s a misunderstanding here but I don’t understand why

I’ve become increasingly convinced of the fact that Wilgy is the most likely wolf in the pool of 8 which explains why he only has 4 votes somehow

Mac saved Jpic at eod 2A idk

Possibility is town is just being dumb

I’m trying to conceive of the mastermind of a wolf team filled with the people who seem just out of reach — Paopan, Wilgy, maybe JPIC? Wolves ought to be more likely here. Not sure what would make that machine function.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:15 am It's weird we can't seem to find wolves in the eight lynch options but we also can't find wolves outside them.

Obvious option is most wolves are [top MU adjacent wolf picks] and we won’t get them until endgame if ever because they hard defend each other and have lots of posts

i think I believe that you believe what you're saying

ok fine

it's like a tall tale, every time it gets a little bit bigger

he never said certain, did he?

anyways this is nonsense I don't have time for nonsense right now

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:47 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:45 pm If 112 flips town or not mafia, ilario is as good as dead!
ilario is town. he wouldn't shoot his partner there at that exact timing

well, there is a Socrates in the role pool, as someone pointed out earlier

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:42 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:35 pm I'm back to thinking DrWilgy might be wolf being townread for bad reasons.
possible

this happened when i wolfed with wilgy

can you link that game (was i in it?)

I'll be kinder than illario and venture you might be pushing one

who are you pushing guillotine

like what kind of respect do you think you're missing? you want more respect, catch more wolves

yes you're mafia now congrats

i also have a pride issue as town but I have a distinct lack of firepower

if i were wolf I would have killed all the people with more posts than me so I could have top posted. I have a pride issue. I'm only fourth highest poster. therefore, town.

i mean I should read the wilgy iso before I make claims like this but cmon

i think not sending over wilgy today is slightly insane even though that's what I was arbitrarily arguing for yesterday

i need you to solve the game

alexa please care about a topic other than how a town person reads you

now entertaining conspiracy theories about certain groups of Canadians

don't vote me etc

Ok I’m back but not for long I’m hungry and tired and have no food and no sleep and a homework assignment I need to do

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:59 pm Heart of a Poet

Send the hosts a poem by February 3, 4pm eastern. They will be read overnight. The two favorites (among living players) will receive a reward at the start of D3 (winners will be informed privately). It can be any kind of poem, but if it doesn't rhyme it had better be really good and/or funny.

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@ 112
@ alexa
@ Belzy
@ c4e5g3d5
@ Creature
@ DrWilgy
@ dyachei
@ falcon45ca
@ Guillotine
@ hollowkatt
@ ilario
@ Justplayingitcool
@ LinearPoint
@ Master Radishes
@ Paopan
@ Phil and Gloria
@ Porscha
@ sabie12
@ sig
@ Sloonei
@ TonyStarkPrime

does it have to be a poem that we write or no

I think there's a sort of boisterous energy that he has at town with something of a "i don't know what's going on and I don't care to find out" spirit that doesn't reproduce well as scum. It's not an exact distinction -- he's still loud as scum, but his loudness is more directed, if that makes sense

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:56 pm
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sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 9:25 am I’m alive and here and 55 pages behind

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 9:25 am And probably not catching up today., oops.

Have army junk all weekend + moving made me semi forget this game.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:24 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 9:28 am
sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 9:25 am And probably not catching up today., oops.

Have army junk all weekend + moving made me semi forget this game.
If you are town, make sure to make 5 or more posts, or else scum can kill you off for free.
First town read right here.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:34 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:20 am Anyway, I finished reading Alison's case on Creature.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine for slipping and spewing multiple other players town.
I tried reading marmot since saw he flipped not much there tbh.

This is the only post that stands out.

On hand I’d say maybe this implicates creature since that was the case but not sure.

Either way I’d say Allison is looking good

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:35 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:06 pm Hard claiming Gambit Demon from Shadow Corridors. It's a little modified from the original version but still keeps the spirit of it. Here's the basic rundown.

- I offer a permanent ability to someone at night. abilities are: track, roleblock, silence (can't speak during next day), disenfranchise (can't vote during next day), give a post restriction, thieving (steal the abilities of who you voted for), protecting, bus driving

- If my offer is accepting, they gain the ability, but I can choose one of two options: either all night actions cast on me get redirected to them the next night OR all votes cast on me get redirected to them the next day.

- I fulfil my win condition if the number of people who I've bargained with exceed the number of people who haven't.

I'm gonna offer the same deal that I proposed in shadow corridors. Y'all come up with consensus town and I'll offer powers to them. In exchange I get a free win, you get free power roles, everyone profits.

FAQ
- how do we know you aren't tricking us into some horrible fate???
take it on trust, host read that they aren't going to have a 3P nuke half the game in GOC, whatever. In Shadow Corridors I proposed some tactics to guard against 3P betrayal, you can try those. Yes I know I was mafia that game but my tactics were legit.

- what if the mafia soupkills you???
imagine being a coward and soupkilling the gambit demon instead of trying to go deep and get the power offered to you instead

- how do we know you're not mafia pretending to be a 3P???
my plan is pretty clearly laid out to give me a free win while also helping the town out. I fully intend to have "auto" from post 1 and will be putting in close to 0 effort to solve or influence the game from this point on. It doesn't make much strategical sense for me to do that if I'm mafia, especially since it will become too obvious that I'm lying about being 3P as the game goes on.

- how do we know you won't side with the mafia after you win like the original Gambit Demon did???
Long Con sided with mafia because he was sentimental and wanted to root for the underdog. I am not sentimental. Siding with the mafia after the town gave me my win is pointless. I have already gotten my win; putting in extra effort is not only meaningless, it actively compromises my ability to make further deals in this vein when I roll 3P in the future. It's strictly suboptimal to do that, so you can be pretty sure I won't do it.

make sure to @ me if you want to tell me who your consensus town to bargain is or have any questions/comments, since I won't be reading the thread closely.

Didn’t you screw town over last time you had this role?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:38 am Okay I’m real quick throwing out town reads for sabie/TSP was just mafia with them and posts are a bit different sabie will be more clear in a few days if mafia for sure

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:39 am [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I did civ read her but then saw her role claim. Third party roles aren’t great especially when they claim to help town but like don’t need to.

Sure she may be town sided now but with 7 mafia members it could easily flip on us

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:41 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:30 pm Mfw Sig doesn't have a wagon yet

C'mon it's D1 of the GoC people. Get your priorities straight.
Literally lol

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:42 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:41 am There is no way that claim is serious lol
I’ve read only snippets so if she renegaded oops I’m not aware, chances are extremely low honestly, statistically, but like why not believe her?

If we say it’s accurate it isn’t a role I want around and we know it’s not town so won’t hurt our numbers.

Usually I’m not a big 3P hunter still not, but right now seems like a smart move

@TonyStarkPrime what about these day 1 posts feel towny to you?

I read them and think "yep that's town sig". I think he's a pretty easy read on average.

i for one am possibly willing to negotiate with the clearly not a serial killer person

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:29 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:17 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:07 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:06 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:01 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:59 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm

what made you change your mind on sig between those 2 posts?
I thought it looked bad for Sig because I was imagining one anti-town KP being at town and one being at night. But if HK is the serial killer than Sig is less likely the serial killer etc
er, i still don't get it. HK was night apparently. I get why that'd make Sabie look like more likely town, but why would that change your view on sig not being wolf day KP?
Well that made me say that sig was more likely wolf KP
yes.. so then why is sig among the worst choices for a chop?
Because I decided that that didn’t outweigh the things in Sig’s favor, and then I decided that the things in Sig’s favor in my mind was that I liked his posts on day 1, and so now I’ve decided that’s not a great reason, and here we are.
what did you like about his posts d1?

They were towny

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:07 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:06 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:01 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:59 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm yeah wolfs need kp i guess. But there are good reasons to TR both sabie and Sig here, so idk. These slots are sorta bad at fooling me in general. But it doesn't make sense for wolves to use all their KP on themselves either. Maybe HK is lying? Thought it was the only way out? That doesn't really make sense either. my reads are probably just bad
what made you change your mind on sig between those 2 posts?
I thought it looked bad for Sig because I was imagining one anti-town KP being at town and one being at night. But if HK is the serial killer than Sig is less likely the serial killer etc
er, i still don't get it. HK was night apparently. I get why that'd make Sabie look like more likely town, but why would that change your view on sig not being wolf day KP?
Well that made me say that sig was more likely wolf KP
yes.. so then why is sig among the worst choices for a chop?

Because I decided that that didn’t outweigh the things in Sig’s favor, and then I decided that the things in Sig’s favor in my mind was that I liked his posts on day 1, and so now I’ve decided that’s not a great reason, and here we are.

Since there was less likely wolf KP at night

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:01 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:59 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm yeah wolfs need kp i guess. But there are good reasons to TR both sabie and Sig here, so idk. These slots are sorta bad at fooling me in general. But it doesn't make sense for wolves to use all their KP on themselves either. Maybe HK is lying? Thought it was the only way out? That doesn't really make sense either. my reads are probably just bad
what made you change your mind on sig between those 2 posts?
I thought it looked bad for Sig because I was imagining one anti-town KP being at town and one being at night. But if HK is the serial killer than Sig is less likely the serial killer etc
er, i still don't get it. HK was night apparently. I get why that'd make Sabie look like more likely town, but why would that change your view on sig not being wolf day KP?

Well that made me say that sig was more likely wolf KP

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 pm yeah wolfs need kp i guess. But there are good reasons to TR both sabie and Sig here, so idk. These slots are sorta bad at fooling me in general. But it doesn't make sense for wolves to use all their KP on themselves either. Maybe HK is lying? Thought it was the only way out? That doesn't really make sense either. my reads are probably just bad
what made you change your mind on sig between those 2 posts?

I thought it looked bad for Sig because I was imagining one anti-town KP being at town and one being at night. But if HK is the serial killer than Sig is less likely the serial killer etc

don't let me play mafia I have a lot of work to do bye

yeah wolfs need kp i guess. But there are good reasons to TR both sabie and Sig here, so idk. These slots are sorta bad at fooling me in general. But it doesn't make sense for wolves to use all their KP on themselves either. Maybe HK is lying? Thought it was the only way out? That doesn't really make sense either. my reads are probably just bad

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:21 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:20 pm yes i did but I changed my mind
do you really think that there's 5 town vig's (Seanzie, illario, dya, sabie, sig) + 1 3P vig and not a single one is scum? I find that very unlikely

oh yeah fair point idk

also more likely scum than likely town is still townish

yes i did but I changed my mind

i think sabie/sig are probably among the worse choices for this chop phase

no it does not imply that

with the hk claim i think sabie is more likely town and sig is more likely scum

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:06 pm This is sincere question with no agenda other than promoting discussion: Does it make sense for town c4 to shoot Bo when he did?

I wasn't here when it happened. I don't know what the discussion looked like, what the atmosphere was, when others shot in relation to Bo, etc.

I think it was possibly the third worst shot of the game but it was at least defensible. There was some defense of Bo in thread and all that but it didn't really strike me as bad

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:53 am The final GTH. I'm going to bed and likely won't be up. Orange I'm unsure of, but if forced would say red. Think of them as backups if I'm wrong about the others.

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alexa
Belzy
c4e5g3d5
Creature
DrWilgy
dyachei
falcon45ca
Guillotine
hollowkatt
ilario
Justplayingitcool
LinearPoint
Master Radishes
Paopan
Phil and Gloria
Porscha
sabie12
sig
Sloonei
TonyStarkPrime

fwiw this is an ~interesting~ set of reads

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:34 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:14 pm Alexa has the clout to misrepresent me and get me chopped and is not doing that.

Inb4 she just wants to payback for our last game and beat me in the same terms. Fully pocketed.
lmao i wish that were the case :P but you're right, i am just a villager and don't think you dying would be good here.

@TonyStarkPrime - IMO Wilgy is like a dead man walking/an easy mischop for mafia if he is town. Seanzie was not and was never a wagon contention. I think mafia would've rather had Seanzie go than Wilgy EOD1 regardless of alignment. So no, I don't really see how that makes you town.

Strong disagree. Or perhaps, sort of disagree. Wilgy does not appear to be an easy chop here. Pf: see wagon composition. But I see the point. Tbh my contribution to the Sean wagon was like 4 posts and some people are just upset about the time I killed Sean last time

I’m gonna call it a wash

And TBH they might not want to have waited to soup a cop idk and if falcon was actually a red and they had his role from Alison or something then maybe it was a protective move

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