The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:08 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:12 pm Just realized I can't clear Okosan because of the posts because I don't know what they talk like when they're not a bird
I've been playing him for years and I've only seen him drop the bird roleplay once. In a single post. When there was a huge wagon on him and nobody wss believing him defense.

Okosan does not not talk like a bird.

I mean

"Coo! (Monokuma thinks you've all been naughty children!)" seems like it would be a pretty iffy way to go about doing a day post. Good way to incriminate someone though.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:30 pm He's changing his mentality in order to further his voting agenda is my point.

Okay this is what I thought you were getting at. The ideology comes from the case, it doesn't lead to it. That's scummy. But I don't think it's strong enough to overcome the other reasoning.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:07 pm We should have an actual bonafide mafia player today. We don’t need to devote all our effort to hunting bears.

1 mafia player likely with no information isn’t a bonafide mafia player.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:06 pm Okosan dun goofed and is covering his tracks

Explain. Pretend I can’t read. I think I see what you’re seeing but I’ll take some explanation.

Okosan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:54 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:51 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:32 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:28 pm It doesn't work. It assumes the bear believed you. Sloonei almost never believes you, no matter what the message says. Simple as that.
The bear seemed to believe me.

I said “Recruit *character name* ” and Monokuma said he wouldn’t recruit me yet.

So maybe I’m a sucker but if the bear believed me, Sloonei isn’t the bear.
COOO! (Btw if anyone ever tells Monokuma their character name they 100% will never be recruited unless it's a really good role for him to have. It's infinitely better just to keep you alive and soup kill you in the future)
Interesting take. It’s wrong: if I were the bear and could 100 percent guarantee that Jack were telling the truth (easy, just ask for role secret), I’d always recruit him. Efficient? Probably not, but I don’t think the soup kill is anything other than an end of game tool and a protection against mass claims.
Cooo! (Why not leave Jack alone in that case? Monokuma will always be able to recruit someone every night so it's not like he's desperate for it. Okosan doesn't think he really particularly care which people he gets, and it allows Monokuma to just throw Jack on the Soup kill pile if he ever needs to end the game faster)

COOOOO! (Furthermore if Jack stays alive it starts to look more and more sus to everyone and can very easily lead to a mislynch)

I like Jack. I’m guessing Monokuma benefits if the mafia does better, and Jack is a good scum player and a high poster. Is it optimal? No, but I think a lot of players who believe Jack’s claim on role would recruit him anyways.

Okosan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:51 pm Coooooo! (Also for whoever mentioned it Okosan can hire a translator in specific circumstances where he needs to speak English. Wouldn't want you to clear Okosan unnecessarily )

You’re town for other reasons.

Also I said this before, but mass RB should go off tonight no matter what. Just to reiterate this to whoever has that role. Also not sure if it’s a town role or has condidtipns or whatever.

Okosan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:32 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:28 pm It doesn't work. It assumes the bear believed you. Sloonei almost never believes you, no matter what the message says. Simple as that.
The bear seemed to believe me.

I said “Recruit *character name* ” and Monokuma said he wouldn’t recruit me yet.

So maybe I’m a sucker but if the bear believed me, Sloonei isn’t the bear.
COOO! (Btw if anyone ever tells Monokuma their character name they 100% will never be recruited unless it's a really good role for him to have. It's infinitely better just to keep you alive and soup kill you in the future)

Interesting take. It’s wrong: if I were the bear and could 100 percent guarantee that Jack were telling the truth (easy, just ask for role secret), I’d always recruit him. Efficient? Probably not, but I don’t think the soup kill is anything other than an end of game tool and a protection against mass claims.

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:41 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:37 pm So I'm gonna assume whomever Bearo is, he knows Epi fairly well so I think we can discount the new people there. But, at this point we should have a mafia player to hunt right?
why does the bear know Epi well?

Day 2 bear post. It’s not a strong answer, but I felt like my PM was vaguely familiar and Jack’s did as well. Could be a trick. Not hard at all to fake. But preponderance of evidence suggests syndicate regular.

Vote: Sloonei

In a game where the objective is at least partially to survive, I have no qualms saying that I would like to Lynch the player who's very good at lynching me. This is probably why people tell me I'm too honest when we play Diplomacy.

Me: "so yeah I think we should invade France, but just so you know if you support my movement into Paris I can dislodge your unit in Munich and that would be of greater strategic gain to me"
Germany: "so... I shouldn't help you?"
Me: "No you should but I would probably betray you almost immediately"

I'm not a fan of no flip mafia but it does remind me of one of my favorite games of all time so allow me to reminisce:

3 vanilla scum
1 cop
1 doctor
8-10ish townies

Basic setup. I roll cop and night 1 red peek someone. So I push that case day 2. He claims cop and that he has town confirmed X (another scum member). OK. Whatever. He was a better player than me, I get lynched. Scum kills him night 2 and the person who got "town confirmed" coasts out the rest of the game.

Back in the good ol days.

It doesn't work. It assumes the bear believed you. Sloonei almost never believes you, no matter what the message says. Simple as that.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:49 pm [VOTE: Dom] aubergine

This makes me want to light clear DDL. He puts himself under presumed extra scrutiny for being on a major wagon.

Clearing Sloonei because Sloonei pushed you earlier is weak though.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:19 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:14 pm Jack I haven't really read the thread do you have a reason to clear LC
He’s derped all over every Monokuma related mechanic. If he’s Monokuma, he’d have to have come into the game planning to do exactly that. I’ve wolfed with LC a few times. He’s a good coordinator but doesn’t start with master plans like say Eva or Rokk.

Yeah okay.
I think I agree with this analysis.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:17 pm By the way, Long Con was wrong, Epi voters can't be cleared as not monokuma because

1) there's leon
2) there's tie dude
3) monokuma can't vote ONLY IF HE IS FOUND. So his vote still counts.

I don't think I need more reasons to clear Tex Watson here but 3 is wrong.

So just off memory, I think scum is in the set

LC
Sloonei
DDL
Sig???

Jack I haven't really read the thread do you have a reason to clear LC

*bird

Just realized I can't clear Okosan because of the posts because I don't know what they talk like when they're not a bear

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:08 pm Another thing, I thought that Jack slipped tagging me and TSP because, even though we never mentioned we PM'd the bear, he tagged us and said "@tedexter @tsp and anyone that pm'd the bear"

and I took that as a massive slip, because obviously, only the bear knows who pm'd him.

that's why I asked TSP if he pm'd the bear.

but it could be just a really weird coincidence, because I said that I had info and TSP was gonna provide a case of some sort. but the way he mentioned us and then he immediately types after our names "and anyone else who pm'd the bear..."

is really incriminating.

So, I'm at like bear in Jack - Long Con

ooh
but also I had already said I had PMed the bear

I'm weirdly clearing Jack cause
I want to

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:49 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:43 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:42 am I’m reasonably certain I incorrectly “cleared” Monokuma yesterday. I think our bear is DDL.
Explain if you may
I sent a message to Monokuma asking that he recruit a specific role and implied it was mine.) Is it? Probably not )

Monokuma did not attempt to soupkill me and said they weren’t going to recruit me yet, implying they believed me and did not feel threatened by me. Additionally, they said something that kinda implied they knew me prior to this game.

So Monokuma is almost certainly not Sloonei or Fayt or Coo. Probably not Dom either.

Additionally, though I’m not great at this kind of thing, the message sounded like DDL. DDL was one of my weaker clears from yesterday.

DDL is on my short list. Not many other people are. I’m gonna get on a computer and do the rest of the work here.

I also PMed the bear. Someone asked. I said that in the thread. I told him to recruit me. I didn’t give him a role. He didn’t respond to me the second time I PMed him; maybe he wised up.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:37 pm So I'm gonna assume whomever Bearo is, he knows Epi fairly well so I think we can discount the new people there. But, at this point we should have a mafia player to hunt right?

This is maybe a part of the calculation; this got discussed in the thread to some point. It’s someone who participated in that discussion.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:43 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:34 pm I’m almost positive there’s enough info to narrow down Monokuma to two or three people
I'm not but give it a go.

I will tomorrow at like 11:30 am. Need sleep now.

I’m almost positive there’s enough info to narrow down Monokuma to two or three people

Also I like to say hold these powers but mass RB is very much something that should get used up now before its owner surreptitiously dies

So who killed someone?

sig wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:36 am I just realized that day phases are 24 hours?

That's bad

Yeah kinda meh

TL isn’t Bear. Pretty sure Jack isn’t bear. Pretty sure LC isn’t bear. I thought Rej could be bear and I still do but I’ll have to think on it. Sig isn’t bear according to a random gut feeling I had while writing this. Epi isn’t bear but we have more confirmation of that now. I’d bet on 1.2 as the most likely option for da 1.

[mention]sprityo[/mention] this isn’t a game question so I’ll ask here: are there ISO links somewhere in the very long intro?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:38 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:35 pm ...my PMs to the bear to try to get him to recruit me...
Joke, or something I missed in the game?

You can message the bear. I want to be bad. Since the bear doesn’t recruit directly, I gave up on keeping it a secret that I have a thirst for blood and all that.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:50 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:16 pm Lol somebody should message Monokuma and tell him their is and they want to be recruited as a test.
I might have done this

Except I want to be recruited, so was I lying? Who knows!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:16 pm Lol somebody should message Monokuma and tell him their is and they want to be recruited as a test.

I might have done this

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:23 pm I'm open for suggestions for what to do.

There have been no murders so there's not really anything to investigate, right?

Not really. I’m planning on snooping around, pickin up clues, etc.

someone in this game could have the ability to narrow down the identity of the bear very quickly

We learned a lot here

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:36 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:35 pm Okay I just realized that my PMs to the bear to try to get him to recruit me don’t matter if he recuruites based on role. So. No help there.

Dom is on the bear short list. I’ll vote for him.
Calling it your the bear.

I wish. Muah hah hah

Okay I just realized that my PMs to the bear to try to get him to recruit me don’t matter if he recuruites based on role. So. No help there.

Dom is on the bear short list. I’ll vote for him.

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:49 pm Coooooo? (Oh wait Okosan missed where it says Monokuma knows all secrets AND roles. Read that as just secrets)

I don’t think mr tlatoani knows which roles are which because then he’d kill us all night one and win

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:45 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:14 pm @Trustworthy Liberal hasn’t posted yet, I think. So I voted for him.
Bad strat in recruiting mafia, the only mafia where being quiet actively discludes someone from being scum
Coo? (It doesn't matter on this game actually. Monokuma recruits roles, not people. Okosan still doesnt think being quiet means someone is mafia in this instance though)

Ops -1 for reading again

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:14 pm @Trustworthy Liberal hasn’t posted yet, I think. So I voted for him.

Bad strat in recruiting mafia, the only mafia where being quiet actively discludes someone from being scum

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:10 pm Maybe it’s turnip head; I’ll make a matrix later of who I think it could be.

I’m kinda booked til end of day so later I’m going to do things and say things and then I’d you to take my word as fact after I do and say those things.

Maybe it’s turnip head; I’ll make a matrix later of who I think it could be.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:08 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:17 am I like how @TonyStarkPrime snuck his vote on me.
Didn't you do similair stuff last game?

Yes I think you’re a bear

I changed my mind

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:17 am I like how @TonyStarkPrime snuck his vote on me.
Didn't you do similair stuff last game?

Yes I think you’re a bear

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:47 am Let's all make 2-2-2-2-2 whatever wagons and let it RNG.

The gods of town that are watching from above will award us with the bear lynch

Tedextrr is too aggressive to be the bear cross him off the list

Rip that didn’t work

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:40 am Cooo! (So to vote do we use the poll at the top or just manually write it or what? Still new to this site)

Generally people manually enter it with the [VOTE: [/qvote] tag but the poll is what counts.] aubergine

I’m fairly certain this is like a 1 in 5.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:20 am Or, there could be a single mafia that carries out the kill because it would be weird not to have a night kill. Not sure if the processing the night kill the same time you were converted is viable, but it’s definitely worth considering.

On D1 we should no-lynch, discuss.

Wrong.

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