The Syndicate

Unnecessary

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 1:32 am @Roxy in response to what you asked me about wilgy

and tsp can read this too, if he's able

I simply have reasons to believe that there are a lot of power roles in play (this is a reason we should all believe, in fact,) and that while I think it's okay to assume a possible world where wilgy was the target of the nk from wolves, it should not be fully assumed as the truth because mechanics cannot be outed in thread

so what i'm trying to say is that we should be utilizing a balancing act in how much we believe a theory that cannot actually be proven true or false

if leetic had btsc with wilgy last night and believed he was town, then sure, that's something I am willing to assume is more likely than not (as I am proposing in how we should approach all things of this nature in the game) and I wasn't here for end of day cuz workscha so I took brad's conviction at more than face value since t hat's where I thought the conviction came from

though I initially had worries about him for raisins... w hich is still possible but I also kinda doubt wolf brad powerwolves out leetic here so idk lol maybe he's just town though again, like, I didn't love that he hasn't seemed to question my alignment at all whatsoever, but idk maybe he really took my masonry suggestion quite seriously lol

I agree, given that Leetic saw the role card and seemed convinced it was an NK I’m now leaning heavily in that direction

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 9:22 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 10:44 pm also I think he was really towny and I'm upset he got voted for
yet you did not once question my suspicion of him. Like all day people were suspicious of him yet you never once defended as strongly as SVS.

nonsense

Syn wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 2:32 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 2:31 am
Syn wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 2:30 am hi can someone give me the cliff's notes of the past 6 pages and tell me how bad I should feel
eh

I dont feel *that* bad lol but

you shouldn't feel *good* either, so
okay I'll feel as neutral as I can possibly be

but I actually meant like... why was leetic still the chop when TSP dropped a shield on them before I disappeared

because, in the nicest words possible, NO ONE IS PAYING ATTENTION AND BRAD IS A WOLF [or worse]

I'm drunk

wait hang on I have a MEME

also I think he was really towny and I'm upset he got voted for

leetic had btsc with someone, who was it

"You are loyal to your cause. You cannot change your win condition. Instead, you can target someone each Night and convince that person to return to his or her original win condition."

wtf

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 9:27 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 9:20 pm Ok so I thought he had info, the way he came in hard after Brad. This is how an info role who can’t dump comes across. And if I had an info role, Brad is who I would have checked.

I put this out several times during the day period. I expected the three people who had experience with this kind of thing to pick up what I was putting out; LC, LoRab and Roxy. Instead all three of them said I was suspish.

Woo Hoo. Or maybe Woo HOO.

Have a safe night folks.
And:

are you suggesting that lime coke and leetic had btsc yesterday? Because that seems unlikely based on their back and forth.

This result (and rip leetic) does indicate that Willy was civ. Which sucks. But as a small silver lining, we have some more info.

nah actually like I'm suggesting that

someone better claim or like you are a wolf

uh that's announceable right

if I did I'd be really annoyed

I didn't

Pretty annoyed tbh

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 8:53 pm Porscha town, don't vote Porscha out.

sorry brad I'm drunk

he's brad, you've played with brad

leetic wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 8:51 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 8:50 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 8:47 pm Note that I have seen wolves perform stupid tunnels before, so that alone is not a reason to clear Brad
yeah but have you seen w!Brad perform a stupid tunnel? cause I've seen t!brad do it like not to be mean but a lot of times
As mentioned before, my experience with w!Brad is two games where we were in separate threads and one where he was the lazy head of a hydra.

ok but like

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:15 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 12:09 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:07 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:18 pm So if SVS is right then wilgy can be town after all, which probably looks worse for lorab
Why? Because I point out technical possibilities? That’s what I always do.
Has to do with the wording a bit
Thanks. I appreciate the clarification.

is that sarcastic casue that barely counts as clarification -- I could provide a way more specific clarification if you had pressed

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:15 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 12:09 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:07 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:18 pm So if SVS is right then wilgy can be town after all, which probably looks worse for lorab
Why? Because I point out technical possibilities? That’s what I always do.
Has to do with the wording a bit
Thanks. I appreciate the clarification.

is that sarcastic casue that barely counts as clarification -- I could provide a way more specific clarification if you had pressed

leetic wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 8:47 pm Note that I have seen wolves perform stupid tunnels before, so that alone is not a reason to clear Brad

yeah but have you seen w!Brad perform a stupid tunnel? cause I've seen t!brad do it like not to be mean but a lot of times

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:47 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:15 pm I think there's a good reason to think Leetic is town. Don't vote for Leetic. I think given this we should trust Leetic's defense of AS. Don't vote for AS. We can go from there.
Don't know if this gets taken back or discussed but I thought it was relevant.

Up to this post, I'm not particularly suspicious of leetic. But Brad is so inflamed about it that I am happy to see the votes stack up anyways! Mwa ha haaaaa!! LC Connection baby YEAH!

Right now I'll [VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine, and when that goes nowhere, I'll hippity hop on over to leetic as a show of amicability. Or will it be the deciding vote by that point??

FIND OUT, in.... The Future!

ok so for the purpose of saying this because I forgot about closed role cop meta, I don't have a cop result for leetic (not that I could say if I did) and I don't want the perceptive few to necessarily take stock in that

honestly I hate closed role meta and if I did have a cop result for leetic I'd avoid anytthing that looks like closed role cop meta

leetic wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 8:44 pm
Abigail Sophia wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 8:43 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 8:33 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 8:27 pm
Abigail Sophia wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 8:26 pm
motobot wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 7:48 pm She just seems different from when she is town. She doesn't post much normally, but it seems more like she's more focused on taking everything in instead of posting often. But that's just my thoughts.
Wdym taking everything in? I barely know what's going on because of all the fights.

If one of us is playing differently, it's you with your empty accusations and ghosting.
Give us a vote, I want to see where your head's at.
Seems AS is just willing to crossvote motobot. Doesn't really move the needle either way.
I already made that mistake with Wilgy...I don't completely understand what's going on with that fight so I'm staying out of it
Why not join us on Porscha? Your vote won't have an impact on a vanity wagon

bargaining, third stage

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:02 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 5:53 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 5:51 pm I fell asleep after a full IRL day (the schedule chamged out of the blue) and I can't catch up so fast..

why are you voting Brad, @S~V~S ?
I think he's potentially bad

He went into a No U spiral when leetic voted for him, I actually think leetic is town, and I strongly disliked how he tried to dismiss Wilgy as a threat below his notice if he were bad.

Why are you voting for leetic?
I town read Brad. I know him, we played a lot and he was my hydra partner in MU games in December.
His way of talking doesn't match with a wolf, he wanted leetic's reads and he is very stubborn in his request.
It's a too narrow focus for a wolf to have.

yeah do kinda agree on brad but noting that I think thsat this is a ~weird~ way to express it. not putting much negative stock on it though, michelle is a pretty perceptive player who picks up on different things than me

it tastes like shit

update I've lost my whiskey

i need more whiskey for this gimme a sec

vote porscha that's a wolf

incredibly bad tweet

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 2:58 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 12:34 pm “Who kills Wilgy” is actually an interesting NKA question
the question already assumes too much imo

smh

Holy Crocodile that Loki ability is obnoxious

They were not

Yeah that was more or less my mindset. But especially given how the day poll goes I think we have to at least consider the possibility that Wilgy was mechanically slated to die and the mafia kill got stopped in some other way. It’s all just too convenient, especially with the open night.

Hmm I like the Sig thinking on an old-school name worried about open nights

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 11:11 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:30 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:31 pm @Roxy
Yes because iirc Motobots vote was the third. Abigail’s vote on Wilgy was even sketchier imo, but that vote hadn’t been made when I posted about motos vote.

Leetic was also sketchy but it wasn’t a pile on. “Random” or “vibe” pile ons always strike me as sus.

I thought Porschas was a joke at the time. Although in retrospect, TSPs “Willy is bad” “oh wait maybe not” “his posts are bad” “ maybe not” thing yet leaving his vote on Wilgy was also mega sketch.
did I ever said maybe not because I doubt it

but, but, but:

these are from you day one:

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:35 am Willy’s a wolf

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:42 am Ok he only has 4 posts so that might be premature

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 6:57 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 5:52 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 5:52 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 5:49 pm Can someone explain the DrWilgy wagon for me? Not sure why people are criticising my LC push when there doesn't appear to be much substance to push Wilgy right now either
He has Wolfy posts
What makes them wolfier than the fluff many others have posted?
Their posts either weren’t wolfy or I didn’t read them

You seem to have trying to cover your ass when it came to others looking back at your iso. LOL You went from he has wolfy posts to they weren't wolfy or I didn't read them.

Last post not referring to wilgy

sig wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 12:32 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:23 pm I mean the reality of it is that wilgy is captain america so therefore he's town

people in game pls don't comment on this in ways that reveal information about your role (against the rules), keep all speculation above ground
Where did you get this theory from?

It’s pretty conspiratorial but looks like other people picked up on it so I’m willing to explain. There’s a famous comic storyline where Cap evades death a few times and is eventually comic-book-killed by a sniper [no spoilers], the write ups are reminiscent of that.

“Who kills Wilgy” is actually an interesting NKA question

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 7:15 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:37 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:36 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:45 am Wilgy was and still is a wolf I stand by this
Explain it please

Also whats the "I’ll be back pill"?
idgi
Can you help an ESL here?

Google says "IDGI is an acronym that stands for "I Don't Get It."

So I don't understand your post and you don't understand my question?

I mistyped in the first thing. I thought Wilgy was a wolf and thought his flip was mechanical and there was not necessarily a reason to believe his flip was a wolf kill. I still think this but a review of the data has led me to believe that Wilgy is actually town.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 5:42 am
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:27 pm One thing that gives me pause with AS is that during Kagemusha, which I posted, she was lynched for being a low-poster, which turned out to be a mistake as she had an important PR for town. Her ISO here doesn't really look that different from her ISO there

Abigail Sophia wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:32 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:06 pm
Abigail Sophia wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:05 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:19 pm Another out of expectation (OoE) is PrincessAbbi. Those 4 posts don’t say much, and not to use the participation card but it’s not what I expect from her
This is the first game I've played where my father hasn't spoken for me (I think) so I'm not used to checking on the conversation
I….uh…sorry, I was talking about the other Abbi and until you just posted I didn’t even know there was another Abbi in this game

But you both can be princesses if you want. I’d prob just call you Princess Sophia for clarification though

How do you do? What’s your read on…say, me, or JJJ right now?
Sorry I thought you were talking about me because PA hadn't posted yet

I haven't seen any reason to think of you as bad...I did at one point consider voting JJJ but I think he's in the clear (for now)
(that game)

Abigail Sophia wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:03 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:46 pm Abigail Sophia didn't actually comment on me but voted for me. Curious.

@Abigail Sophia, why did you click on me?
When I voted, you and Long Con were tied. I didn't want my vote to not matter.

The only person I had any suspicions of was Moto (because he accused LC for seemingly no reason) I didn't want Long Con to be ejected just because of that

I don't know you very well but others were commenting on how you made "wolfy posts" I didn't see it myself but I decided to go with the crowd

I made a mistake and I am sorry
(this game)
I personally did not vote for her for low posting, I voted based specifically on her Wilgy vote. Drive by votes are my least favorite thing in Mafia, tbh. Very seriously. BUT you are right; not a very experienced player, and in retrospect, if she had teammates, maybe they would have told her that was not a good look. I mean, I thought her after the fact explanation sounded coached, but, again, in retrospect, they would also have had plenty of time to coach her BEFORE she made that vote.

So meh.

I will consider this and prolly switch my vote today.

Did Moto say why he voted for her? I'm kinda flitting around in here this AM, so haven't got much linear reading going, and I need to go get ready to go to work soon.

I tgink like you gotta take the vote in the concept of someone who is fairly unfamiliar with the style of forum mafia and is a low poster but is still invested in the game and looking to contribute. We’ve got a pretty high post count sort of folk around these parts and so those archetypes are not as common — it’s hard to be invested given how many posts there are if you’re not staying current. But I don’t see the vote as necessarily wolfy

Uh maybe close to a Michelle read

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 5:17 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:31 pm ok I did say it was maybe premature but only once and tbf it was premature
Yeah, I was paraphrasing.

I also thought you meant Wilgys posts here, when in rereading it, I think you actually meant "other peoples posts", so i was thinking of this too. I thought you were saying his posts weren't wolfy, which was a bit for me. My mistake, I think.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 6:57 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 5:52 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 5:52 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 5:49 pm Can someone explain the DrWilgy wagon for me? Not sure why people are criticising my LC push when there doesn't appear to be much substance to push Wilgy right now either
He has Wolfy posts
What makes them wolfier than the fluff many others have posted?
Their posts either weren’t wolfy or I didn’t read them
I haven't caught up; do you have any other feels about anyone else? I saw you in one game, where you were afk for days, you showed up and in 6 one line posts you called out a wolf. I guess with you I'm looking for your level of confidence, and I haven't really seen that?

It’s harder in games like this where the player list isn’t as familiar with what I can read pretty quickly (and there are just fewer posts), even players like Falcon who I used to be able to read very well have developed and he’s a much harder read now. I feel pretty sketchy on Porscha but I wouldn’t call it a wolf full time. Same with Simon.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 1:49 am Townread:
Porschaaaaaaa
Michelle
SVS
Roxy
Falcon

Townlean:
Syn
Simon
Lorab

I said I should be adding Roxy before and forgot so now I actually have her.

--------------------------------------
Abigail Sophia
dunya
leetic
Long Con
motobot
sig
TonyStarkPrime

This would be the remaining POE for me looking at this game.

@Porscha @Michelle @S~V~S @Roxy

Do any of y'all have any sort of reason to townread anyone in this pile of names that I have in the POE?

How are you judging the Porscha tr

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:09 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:15 pm I think there's a good reason to think Leetic is town. Don't vote for Leetic. I think given this we should trust Leetic's defense of AS. Don't vote for AS. We can go from there.
Can you share for the rest of the class?

Reaction to the Wilgy flip is good and defense of AS is good and I think he comes out of the slap fight looking fine (Brad kinda does too but that’s way more of a meta read)

Now I think it’s plausible he’s a wolf still cause I’ve never seen him wolf

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:08 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:23 pm I mean the reality of it is that wilgy is captain america so therefore he's town

people in game pls don't comment on this in ways that reveal information about your role (against the rules), keep all speculation above ground
And you know that how?

I’m very smart

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:07 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:18 pm So if SVS is right then wilgy can be town after all, which probably looks worse for lorab
Why? Because I point out technical possibilities? That’s what I always do.

Has to do with the wording a bit

salad + rule of three pre flip assessment

vote: porscha

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:39 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:42 am What do you have in total for this game, Michelle?

@Michelle
I have Wilgy town, I know the ópinions are different but I I don't have evidence I am wrong.

About the living players I have a few town reads: you, SVS, Syn, LC and now that I see Lorab and Roxy posted more I will ISO them - GTH I like their posts and questions, but I would like to sleep before reading all and making an educated guess.

I don't trust Leetic, Porscha, TSP and Abigail, and if I would have a gun I would shot leetic
Syn wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:03 am oh god Michelle that font
I don't see any difference on phone, but if anything looks bad I am sorry
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:48 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 5:40 pm Wait is Simon Delta?
Simon and Abigail are Epi's children
Nice!
Good to know, I also thought Simon is Delta ^^

Do we have meta or this is their first game?

where tf did abigail come from (in the original)

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