The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:51 am Epi, mac, and nova jump to the front of the 2020 leaderboard with 2 wins today.

Was really hoping the other one would turn out differently

Tedexter wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:20 pm Why does et not vote here for anyone, though? Answer me this. If he’s a town, he’s consciously not voting knowing that there’s a big chance he’s gonna die. On our site we say self pres is NAI, but given the circumstances and type of player, everything is AI.

people make mistakes

something that should be considered more

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:37 pm
Tedexter wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:59 pm If et is scum which I think he is, then TSP is probably the second one. So I don’t agree with that read. But in rest, I could settle for the other reads.

This is heavily dependent on et’s flip, but if he’s mafia...What would a mafia do in this situation, KNOWING that et is the president. Well, they’d set up wagons, just like in a normal setup. But they don’t really have to be too aggressive.

Look at those wagons, it’s perfect for et’s president scenario. 3 people on a tie with him. Et is already buried in evidence against him. Actively fighting against his lynch is useless. But mafia can place their votes on people like...Long, for example.

At this point, I’d clear nova as being town / sk. Probably sprit as well. Epi is locked town for me, we agree on a lot of stuff and he’s just bleeding town. Sabie, although probably a bad take, I feel like is thread spewed at this point. Especially if et is mafia. Dom town. Creature town. Rej town. Mac town.

TSP scum, Nanook / enrique scum , Et scum
If I were mafia with a president ET I almost certainly would’ve pushed a wagon to 3 instead of banking on him winning a tiebreaker he never should win.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:24 pm @TonyStarkPrime it's safe to assume that IF you were Sleazy Martinez and you found yourself having to vote between LC or therealet, you would've chosen LC correct?

I don’t think I can comment on that but any plan that includes specifying the role of both me and Creature seems too specific

Tedexter wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:15 pm God damn it I can see Creature doing his extra vote on day one. He’s that type of a player.

Notable that he has two votes: extra vote could be self pres

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:12 pm So tie guy either knows who to vote for or doesn’t know who to vote for

I have solved the game praise me

So tie guy either knows who to vote for or doesn’t know who to vote for

If tie guy is given a tie between LC and ET then at least ET is not Net Pres which has to be an important Bayesian point but I’m not a statistician

If tie guy wasn’t given a tie then either secrets or et net pres

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:06 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:05 pm Here are real options

1) calculon
2) bender + net pres
3) bender + tie guy (2 way chooses LC)

One of these is much more simple

linki:
4) someone messed up
5) secrets
calculon only says he avoids the first attempt on his life, not move it to someone else

so i dont agree on that

On reread of the ability I think I agree with your reading

I tend to think that in situations like this lynch redo is almost always the correct play but here it seems, unless someone thinks very strongly otherwise, that that would be unwise.
Is that because I’m scum partners with ET?
Shrug

Here are real options

1) calculon
2) bender + net pres
3) bender + tie guy (2 way chooses LC)

One of these is much more simple

linki:
4) someone messed up
5) secrets

Tedexter wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:02 pm That’s an awfully manipulative post, you’re implying LC was obvious town when you voted for him AND implying ET was painfully scum even though you saved him by voting the dude who you apparently town read after his flip.

That’s a really bad look friend.

see above

Tedexter wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:00 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:55 pm : if a town role who chooses from ties was assigned a choice between ET LC Me and whoever else had two votes

Why would they not choose ET
Why didn’t you vote ET if he’s so obviously scum?

You choose ET in this case because if given a four way tie the only thing that could have lead to that specific outcome is ET being network president in which case you always choose him

Tedexter wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:59 pm If et is scum which I think he is, then TSP is probably the second one. So I don’t agree with that read. But in rest, I could settle for the other reads.

This is heavily dependent on et’s flip, but if he’s mafia...What would a mafia do in this situation, KNOWING that et is the president. Well, they’d set up wagons, just like in a normal setup. But they don’t really have to be too aggressive.

Look at those wagons, it’s perfect for et’s president scenario. 3 people on a tie with him. Et is already buried in evidence against him. Actively fighting against his lynch is useless. But mafia can place their votes on people like...Long, for example.

At this point, I’d clear nova as being town / sk. Probably sprit as well. Epi is locked town for me, we agree on a lot of stuff and he’s just bleeding town. Sabie, although probably a bad take, I feel like is thread spewed at this point. Especially if et is mafia. Dom town. Creature town. Rej town. Mac town.

TSP scum, Nanook / enrique scum , Et scum

This doesn’t work for a large number of reasons

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:58 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:55 pm : if a town role who chooses from ties was assigned a choice between ET LC Me and whoever else had two votes

Why would they not choose ET
my thoughts exactly, thats why i think bender is more so the culprit here. that would also give a more bad lean to realet

Did we determine Calculon isn’t at play here cause that seems like a reasonable possibility

: if a town role who chooses from ties was assigned a choice between ET LC Me and whoever else had two votes

Why would they not choose ET

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:02 pm How many baddies do you think received votes D1?

1

I think that no one voted to save him or at least make it less clear what had happened is a part of a case.

Someone make me a case why ET isn’t the right lynch.

I think broadly two cases exist.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:16 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:43 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:42 pm It’s not vaguely anti-town, it just is anti-town, flat out.
Hello I disagree. I’m willing to have this discussion with you.
Can you point me to where you laid out your argument?
Not calling votes makes it harder for town to keep track of who is being voted by whom and when, which is one of the few things that is actually tangibly quantifiable helpful for town wrt catching mafia. Hiding your votes is strictly a better environment for scum than for town.

Okay

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:42 pm It’s not vaguely anti-town, it just is anti-town, flat out.

Hello I disagree. I’m willing to have this discussion with you.
Can you point me to where you laid out your argument?

Rej wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:33 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:12 pm @rej I didn’t answer novas question I had time for one in depth post and your’s is more tingly and less important seeing as I’m not voti for you and you’re not in lynch contention. I didn’t indicate my vote change I usually don’t
What NANOOK said, it is anti town to not indicate a vote change, also not answering a question is not nice.
You could always give a short answer to the less important stuff and then go in depth with what you think is important rn.

That way you can become more transparent for other civs to read you.

I don’t indicate vote changes when not towards end of day. I think you know this but it’s irrelevant. Yes I’m aware it’s vaguely anti-town.

Short answer as to why you’re scum: I feel it in my bones. And I think you’re playing reads plinko.

@rej I didn’t answer novas question I had time for one in depth post and your’s is more tingly and less important seeing as I’m not voti for you and you’re not in lynch contention. I didn’t indicate my vote change I usually don’t

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:15 pm guess I'll have to carry this game

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:19 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:18 pm No, you're being obnoxious
Yeah, but when I'm not I tend to get mislynched

This is town energy.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:39 pm Tell the results afterwards

It better not just be mafia theory

this is specifically directed energy. It's the kind of jab that scum wouldn't be throwing.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:29 pm
Tedexter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:59 pm I don’t think a town would ever try and figure Creature out, like you just policy him day 3
This is pretty garbage and you should feel bad

I like how Tedexter has played this and I think he's town but this is a rightfully indignant callout that I just want to highlight.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:14 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:06 am sabie12
Rej
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Epignosis
Macdougall
Dom
TonyStarkPrime
sprityo
Enrique
sig
Creature
Tedexter
therealet
Long Con
Okay
Okay
Lower
Okay
Okay
Okay
Don't know
Whatever
Lower
Higher
Higher
Higher
Okay
Okay

This is good. As an aside, Creature pushing for a Long Con lynch while he's in contention instead of settling for the easy one is normal town behavior. Creature is a good player and could easily fake this. But also anyone who's like "it's hard to read Creature" is neglecting very low level opportunities.

So there's the short version

I think creature is town so I’m not voting there. Strongly town reading sig. I’d vote for Rej but I don’t think people will follow me up there. I liked Epi’s case on the person whom I think we’re calling ET? So therefore I’m voting there.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:21 pm I don't think TSP called his vote on et

linki - pinky promise

Nope I tend not to call votes if not at end of day. I’m lazy. I can promise you it’s not a tell either way.

@ anyone
Please ask me questions I want to be helping more and feel kinda useless right now.
But I can give some thoughts: (in the below post)

Tedexter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:35 pm Any completed mafia games on this website that I could look at, Tony?

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =28&t=1782

Relatively short game

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:31 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:42 am
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:55 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:59 am
Rej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:12 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:39 pm Lots of word vomit

It disgusts my eyes greatly

I’m voting no lynch

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:40 pm
therealet wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:37 pm

stop shutting down discussion
fuck off lol ur being majorly pretentious
For him it’s normal

It’s quite annoying to read

You get used to it
I interpret it as defending Creature. I note it down.
quite the opposite. i was merely stating my opinion of how to handle it. non alignment indicative.

if anything im almost always down to lynch creature given he spouts the pity game. otherwise i like him once he starts saying stuff i can work with
Polict lynches are the main reason town wins like only 20% of the games here
Not counting special games it’s 50/50 this year
Considering there are no completed games so far you're right

dear goodness me it’s a new year

Tedexter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:16 pm Wouldn’t this current play style of yours fit your mafia description that you’ve described to me?

Can you elaborate how no lynch is aggressive? Because he goes against the status quo or why?

Your scum read on rej, anything deep to it or just gut?

No I’m good at mafia when I’m mafia. Sometimes I’m good when I’m town. I think in a game like this a good sign of who is scum is “who, out of the action, seems to be on top of things”. That’s not the same as participating or whatever (none of the top posters seem to be particularly in control or understanding).
to why Sprit: Partially but also because it’s generally determined to be bad and unhelpful. It’s an attempt to make a statement against a game swept up by some meaningless fights.
to why Rej: I have reasons. I’m looking for a reaction.

Tedexter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:57 am Walk me through how you got there.

Sprityo is town because no lynch is aggressive and because the haikus are nice.

Rej is scum because I think he is.

Rej is scum, Sprityo is town

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:29 am Alright new game. How many votes do people on the scumteam have on them right now? Give me an estimate.

I’m going to say 1. High / low?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:55 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:59 am
Rej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:12 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:39 pm Lots of word vomit

It disgusts my eyes greatly

I’m voting no lynch

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:40 pm
therealet wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:37 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:36 pm Stop with the shade thing

It lost all meaning
stop shutting down discussion
fuck off lol ur being majorly pretentious
For him it’s normal

It’s quite annoying to read

You get used to it
I interpret it as defending Creature. I note it down.
quite the opposite. i was merely stating my opinion of how to handle it. non alignment indicative.

if anything im almost always down to lynch creature given he spouts the pity game. otherwise i like him once he starts saying stuff i can work with
Polict lynches are the main reason town wins like only 20% of the games here

Not counting special games it’s 50/50 this year

Alright new game. How many votes do people on the scumteam have on them right now? Give me an estimate.

I’m not rereading anything above this post. All opinions I had made are now wiped clean. Everyone please try again.

By the way this game hurts to read and I love playing with active Creature and Nova but I also might go insane and for now I need sleep.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:00 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:53 pm That’s not a joke Creature is bad.
Why?

It was a joke he’s town.

Nova’s bad I stake my limited reputation on it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:59 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:37 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:54 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:58 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:10 pm Creature - good
Dom - bad
Enrique - good
Epignosis - good
Long Con - good
Macdougall - obvious bad
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - good
novaselinenever - fucking great
Rej - bad
sabie12 - good
sig - good
sprityo - good
Tedexter - bad
therealet - good
TonyStarkPrime - good
[VOTE: novaselinenever] aubergine

Also hello guys, let's have an enjoyable D0 and also an enjoyable new year

uhm, toyed with me in the cultafia prototype game Beky hosted
bussed me as mafiosi
generally powerwolf
and the odds are:

You were more often scum than town if it comes to the recent games.
Recency bias.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

That’s not a joke Creature is bad.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:52 am
Dom wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:41 pm guys.... i have a confession...

I'm....

gay.
Well, I'm just town

I’m both! Creature is scum he hasnt posted about losing his will to play or complained about low participation yet.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:01 pm It's not a tunnel though if you're right

that’s right and why I am going to lynch Dom this game

Tedexter wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:30 pm To get discussion rolling as it’s a pretty passive start, I will use this day phase as an opportunity to try and get to know what type of players you guys are. I know these questions are annoying as hell, but try your best to answer seriously, please. It actually helps me deduce your alignments correctly, even if it looks like it’s a useless question.

First off, what do you prefer? Town / scum? And also, if you could describe your mafia and town game, how would you describe it? Any difference in between the two?

Hi I prefer scum and the difference is I’m better at scum, I have more focus late game and I’m less likely to make big stupid cases early game (as scum). Overall I tend to make long posts that no one likes and get lynched early or stick around until the end.

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