The Syndicate

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:37 pm God...fucking...dammit.

I fucking had it but I couldn't pull the trigger.

i remember typing up the "LC's being tricked by SPF/Alexa" post and just thinking "oh oops the game's over"

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:01 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:00 pm I don’t think Gira votes wrong exactly Im just confused
so you think LC is a wolf then?

I think the LC/Gira cross containing a wolf is maybe 70 percent

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:01 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:00 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:58 pm You get the moral victory when you win the game not when you vote for town and the game ends
point is i'd rather control my own destiny and vote what i feel is right even if i lose that 1v1
i don't understand why you're now off of SPF?

Because they’re teamed

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:00 pm I don’t think Gira votes wrong exactly Im just confused

Like I’m the only non-Gira person who hasn’t expressed an extremely strong TR of LC I’m the person this applies to least

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:00 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:59 pm SPF I’m to the point where I need to tell you that I’m actually legitimately obviously town and the fact that you’re floating voting for me while clearly just trying to get LC to latch on is possibly a little suspicious
why are you actually legitimately obviously town?

also ive been calling you a probable wolf for several hours now, this isnt a new read

I know but I just started caring now

I don’t think Gira votes wrong exactly Im just confused

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:59 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:58 pm You get the moral victory when you win the game not when you vote for town and the game ends
if you think that he's going to vote wrong, why don't you vote first then? it feels to me like youre just waiting for him to misvote lol

Moral victory

SPF I’m to the point where I need to tell you that I’m actually legitimately obviously town and the fact that you’re floating voting for me while clearly just trying to get LC to latch on is possibly a little suspicious

You get the moral victory when you win the game not when you vote for town and the game ends

But like voting for LC is suicidal in this position, right?

Oh right try to make LC explode, an old favorite

Genuinely at a loss in the gamestate

(The fourth person was myself)

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:17 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:01 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 9:06 pm Is TSP mafia that is also trying to get me ML'd? One of them could be, right?
How is it that there are four different people who think I’m trying to get them MLed
i have not proposed that you are trying to get me MLed

Ok teammate

I’m pretty focussed as mafia I find my kill and go for it smh

Though maybe LC’s suggestion would explain why CRich raged

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 9:06 pm Is TSP mafia that is also trying to get me ML'd? One of them could be, right?

How is it that there are four different people who think I’m trying to get them MLed

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:52 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:49 pm ok I'm now prepared to lose the game to LC if both Alexa and SPF are and I just think I have to live with that. In which case, Gira, get on my page.
i mean nominally at least one of them should be mafia fypov so

Yes but then ones town and if they’re both mafia then LC is town

ok I'm now prepared to lose the game to LC if both Alexa and SPF are and I just think I have to live with that. In which case, Gira, get on my page.

counterpoint: you're not being convincing right now

gira if you're town LC is the wrong vote because it allows spf and alexa to immediately hammer him and win

Tbh I skimmed his iso and I didn’t even think he was that emotional

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:35 pm You make yourself obvious town first then use your high ground to fuck around.

And then people say “hmm, maybe we’ve miscleared him, CRich could definitely have this in his wolfrange”

wait you were in pokemash?

shut up partner

isn't it odd that I, self-proclaimed "really good Alexa reader", has not expressed a single read on alexa?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:32 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:29 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:27 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:19 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:18 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:16 pm SPF wolfreads Gira right
im actually starting to think that it's you and TSP which probably just means that we lose the game
Why's that?
the fact that alexa is still alive in the f5 could be indicative of her being a deepwolf. when i pair that with the fact that she has been not-so-subtly trying to steer the rest of the game into pushing on me and positioning herself to end the day with her vote on me, it's pretty easy to see her as a deepwolf that is playing with the specific agenda to get me killed today. i also think the fact that her read on gira shifted as unnaturally (IMO) as it did could be indicative of her trying to pocket him and steer him into voting for me

esooa/CR/TSP has strongly towntold throughout a lot of this game, but the bulk of my reasoning to townread them boils down to: "emotion", which is the type of thing that i tend to misclear people for more often than not. if i remove "emotion" from the picture, i'm not really sure if i have any compelling reasons to townread the TSP slot. TSP has been explicitly egging on gira's scumread on me and outright trying to get him to vote for me, which also aligns with the agenda of a wolf that's trying to win the game today by getting me killed

above all else, the thing that makes me suspicious of an alexa/TSP team is that their treatment of gira has an interesting synchronicity to it. both of them have been treating gira in a pockety, overly cloying way and both of them have been subtly trying to push gira into voting for me (or in TSP's case, he is also quite possibly trying to get gira to vote for lime coke as well). the way that alexa and TSP are treating gira feels oddly strategic to me, which could be indicative of them just being mafia together
what do you feel about us (me/you) both having the same exact view of TSP then?
the fact that you scumread TSP but you aren't pushing on him is only adding to my paranoia that the two of you might be teamed together

it is EXTREMELY common for wolves in LYLO situations to scumread two players, one town and one mafia, and then push on the town more than they push on the mafia. this is how i caught wolves in LYLO on epicmafia like 99% of the time, by just forcing them to out two scumreads and then seeing who they pushed on more lol

look you lose to me/alexa something like 600 percent of the time so please maybe think about other players the second paragraph might apply to

ok I've never played with gira except possibly in a turbo and so I'm going to need someone to provide a player profile sooner rather than later pls

read:
is this in their wheelhouse as a wolf
and
is this in their wheelhouse as w/w with spf

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:19 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:18 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:16 pm SPF wolfreads Gira right
im actually starting to think that it's you and TSP which probably just means that we lose the game
Why's that?

we're both trying to force an SPF/gira cross despite the fact that we have no professed game solutions

sounds good

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:16 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:10 pm So I'm interested in the fact that LC has expressed possibly no reads
You're right, most I did today was pressure Alexa, I don't have an etiquette at all for LYLO since this is maybe the 2nd time I was in LYLO as town? The first time (EM Themed Game) 1 of the mafia members was outed and the second just open wolfed.

I'm trying to observe and figure things out. I feel like this game is actually kinda big for me right now and I don't want to be wrong.

I appreciate your observation but I'd recommend that you try being a more active participant

well not for another 18 hours or so

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:16 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:13 pm i mean if both of you are town then you should both start deciding that LC is a wolf and we can move on with our lives
would you bank the game on gira being town?

no

yeah but I am kind and treat people like town when I talk to them unless I'm upset and then I treat them like dirt

therefore wolf team is SPF/LC

SPF has also not expressed any reads I think

i mean if both of you are town then you should both start deciding that LC is a wolf and we can move on with our lives

So I'm interested in the fact that LC has expressed possibly no reads

anyways of those three the one who would be least likely to catch on to being wolfed is LC so team of SPF/Alexa seems most likely

wolves aren't allowed to complain

like smh gira if you're a town you're not getting cliqued the clique is literally a wolf team and if you're a wolf stop complaining

glad to have run the gamut on that one

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:00 pm FYI this is the most scrutiny I've held either SPF or Alexa in a game so clique stuff isn't entirely true.

tbh that's embarrassing and I wouldn't admit it

anyways I claim PR

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:42 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:31 pm fwiw gira coming in and doing all that nonsense and then not voting for spf is a look
if tsp is a wolf and gira is town then i think this is him trying to get gira to vote me so that the mafia can win lol

well it's certainly me trying to get gira to vote for you, results will prove varied

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:34 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:57 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:44 am i mean if youre a wolf, then fypov, your only pushes are lime coke/alexa/TSP. all of those names are very difficult to push and all of them have been towny at various parts of the game, so if you are a wolf then i would expect you to be pushing me just like youre pushing me right now

granted, that doesn't MAKE you a wolf, but it does mean that your approach today is aligning specifically with how you would likely be playing this situation as a wolf
why do you think you're easier to push then TSP?

a part of me feels like w!Gira doesn't pick v!TSP to clear of all people
you, tsp, and gira have all voiced intent to vote for me today. do you really need me to explain why i'm an easier push from the wolves POV than TSP is?

the worst part is that nobody pushing on me (save gira) has actually presented reasoning to scumread me and is just defaulting to the: "everyone else looks townier" reasoning, which is reasoning that i hate being on the receiving end of because it is shallow and impossible to refute. it's also reasoning that mafia tend to coast off of a lot when they want to push on a villager without having a good reason

that wasn't my reasoning smh

Ok I think I'm locking in my team which is [___/___]

if esooa was super-defensive of spf on day 1 then should I take that as a sign that SPF is more likely town or a wolf

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:33 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:30 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:36 am alexa are you a wolf caveat I haven't read any of the game
@alexa pls answer honestly
if i'm a wolf i'm going to say no
if i'm town i'm going to say no (unless it was not LYLO, then i may say yes)

no, i'm a villager, but idk what you expect to gain from this question

why aren't you a wolf

Gira who are the wolfs I am not doing much paying attention

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:33 pm fwiw LC voting because he's sheeping his townreads, when i was a main pusher on Wilgy, is definitely very much in his town range

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:29 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:14 pm actually TSP i'm having trouble following your recent posts so idrk what your thought process is
that SPF/LC and SPF/Gira don't work? Why does SPF/LC not work in your eyes if you didn't read day 1?
you said it didn't work
why are you listening to me? we've spent games as V/V disagreeing on literally everything so.. just not what i would expect

I don't play F5s based off what I think reality is, which is a bit of a problem. I play F5 by constructing a narrow range of limited win-viability and going from there. Right now I think there are two, possibly three, teams in that range of limited viability and I'm going from there.

[But moreover, we're setting LC up to get nightkilled, right fellow townie]

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