The Syndicate

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:27 pm Also there's something super creepy about a baby in a hat I'm not going to look at mac for the rest of the game.

Shut your mouth, his baby is the most adorable thing on the planet (or maybe tied with Golden's baby)!

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:19 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:17 pm Alex is making me some chocolate and peanut butter chip cookies as we speak. Anyone want one?
Yes

Please ship to:

Hamish Martell...

Actually, scratch that, Anita would even open something addressed to him. Never mind.

Who says I wouldn't send some for her?

Alex is making me some chocolate and peanut butter chip cookies as we speak. Anyone want one?

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:08 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:49 pm Golden is a honey badger
I'm sorry for abandoning you as well as myself but it was the right thing to do.

I’m glad you did because I really wanted to as well but felt obligated to you since you demonstrated trust in me. I moved to Epi as well.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:10 pm My father has been taken into hospital this morning. I think it’s going to be fine but I just don’t know if it will impact my participation. Sorry in advance.

I’m sorry to hear this Golden.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:06 am wait do you think the polls do nothing at all unless the person who sent in the time period wins them? why would that be a thing

No. There are more players than we will probably get night Elections for, so I think that would be unfair to the players who never get their chance at their locations.

I’m just trying to understand why you are so adamant that you should haveit? My vote is on you but I want to understand.

Election

Alcohol seems more likely something for Epi. So I don’t understand why you are so certain you need this Golden? I mean get some of what you are saying that I should pick up on, but not why you need to win the ejection.

I don’t understand why two people are claiming to need this? Do we even know what winning a Night election does?

[VOTE: Golden] aubergine

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:47 pm @Scotty
@Quin
@Spacedaisy
@MacDougall

I shall not campaign. I merely ask that you vote for me this one time, and trust me.

Turnip Head picked you as his prediction. I trust you. I do not trust TH.

Why does your intuition lead you away from luna. What are you seeing?

It was my misinterpretation of what he said, and it was my rude response. Mac's just playing the game, I can't fault that. He wouldn't intentionally hurt someone. I should have walked away from the thread. He didn't deserve that.

LOL [mention]MacDougall[/mention] and [mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] Thanks for being so understanding guys.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:21 pm Spacedaisy

I've decided to trust you. You don't want to lynch Lunalee. Got a better option for me?

I never said I don't want to lynch lunalee. I said I would rather lynch TH first.

I want to say I'm sorry for losing mycool and saying that to Mac. Not just to him but to everyone.

Fuck you Mac. You have your head so far up your ass all you can see if your own shit. You cannot read me, you have never been so wrong about me. And being an asshole to me doesn't prove that I'm bad, it just proves you're an asshole. Hope it was worth it for you, because you sure as hell aren't helping the civs.

Then it was a stupid joke in a game like this, with no indication that it was a joke. Especially since you've been coming after me. What in your post would ever indicate to me you are joking? Not a damn thing and you know it. it wasn't a joke, it was a fake red peek to get a rise out of me. And you did. you know why? Because I am civ! And hell yes I get mad when someone openly lies about me and a red peek.

No, I won't go away.

No, it was not a joke post. It was a fake claim in a game with no flips. I don't protest too much, I protest exactly as much as I should and if you are civ it was an incredibly shortsighted move. Because until you admit it was lie, I have to be lynched. In a game with no flips that kind of BS statement is a mistake.

Here's the thing Mac, if you are civ, you just took both yourself and me out of the game with that fake claim. Way to go, two civs down in one short BS post. I recommend you own up to the fact that was a fake red peek claim.

Mac's lying. The question is whether he is lying as a baddie or lying as a civ. People like MP and SVS have lied as civs about red peeks before to get someone lynched they strongly believed were bad. SVS did it successfully, MP did is unsucessfully. I am unsure which I believe about Mac here. Because it boils down to the fact he is lying.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:36 pm Spacedaisy I'm a cop and I got a red peek on you last night. Thanks for playing.

No you aren't and no you didn't because that is a bullshit statement and you know it. I am civ.

No [mention]Lunalee[/mention] no gun to my head. Although that was a funny response, I laughed. I feel pretty sure that this is a good case against you and I'm behind it. I just don't like leaving a claimed 3P alone to do his thing assuming his claim is true.

Especially when that someone is TH. Who played Storyville or whatever that mafia game was that Shinny ran on LP all those years ago. Where he was a SK, the Big Bad Wolf. And self targeted with his kill in order to try and mechanically clear himself. He pretty much became an FEB legend after that, despite it not working. But we've forgotten that side of TH here because he's started playing laid back and jokey. Looking as nonthreatening as possible. No matter what affiliation. I don't like his claim and I don't understand this willingness to just let him do his thing. But I do trust Golden. And clearly most people don't see it like me, Colin and sprityo. So I'll give in and vote for the other person I believe is bad. Because hey, I could be wrong to be suspicious of him.

The only surprise in his early campaign is that his own claimed destination then came up. I looked back after my first post and saw Night Elections are in the set up.

Fine. You all win, I'll do what you want. Against my own feelings on this. [VOTE: lunalee] aubergine

You have someone who has claimed openly to not be civ aligned, and you want to believe them and possibly allow them the space to do what they want. We'll see how this goes. I hope you all are right.

I disagree. My whole point is how very much I disagree.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:23 pm For those who are ignoring Golden's Luna case like I was, upon reading it it's actually sum gud werk.

I agree

When have you ever seen TH scrambling? How is this AI? It's not, TH plays as inscrutable a game as he can. He isn't doing anything to make you not trust him. Tell me what he is doing to make you trust him?

That was phrased unclearly. I mean, what I am disputing is whether or not he could be lying about the outcome.

You aren't saying that you are 3P and will just disappear. I find his particular claim very unbelievable coupled with the face I don't like just giving people what they want. Also, I already feel fairly confident in your civ alignment.

Also, I'm not saying he doesn't need to do what he says. I am disputing whether or not I believe what he is claiming will be the outcome.

Here you go Golden:

Post I am referring to

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:52 pm I will campaign to not see TH lynched today if need be. But I didn't really realise there was any threat of that, because I can't imagine any good reason to lynch him. All the facts suggest he is not mafia, to me. I have no interest in lynching an indy when the player numbers are so small and the indy is claiming he'll vanish anyway. This one I definitely would see as a waste of a lynch.

Why would you not let it play out and see if he is being honest? Like - if we lynch TH and prevent him winning by one day and go on to lose because we've wasted a lynch on this, I will riot.

There is absolutely nothing about TH's behaviour in the entire game that suggests any kind of agenda.

Because there is never any suggestion of his agenda in his play, like ever. And you assume that hey we can just wait and see whether or not he disappears. but what if he is lying about what happens? Consider what the options might be if he achieves his objective? We may have a more powerful or more difficult to kill baddie. I am always wary of giving people want they want from us without knowing for sure they are civ. See my arguments in U-Pick again lynching or killing people asking for it.

I see the night Elections now. not surprising. except that he coincidentally was campaigning for his own before he knew it was his?

In this we disagree Golden. I do not trust TH. I have exactly zero reasons to think he might be a lying scum. I have more reason in fact to distrust this claim imo. I don't like luna either but I would rather lynch her tomorrow because she hasn't made a claim about how long she needs to live or what she is trying to achieve. Also of note, someone pounced on sig knowing about being elected before N1 started and an election took place. Was this another common knowledge thing that I missed? I think I am leaving my vote where it is.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:37 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:36 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:34 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:27 pm I have a feeling like I'm going to win this election.
I'm going to be campaigning hard for you to not win.
I don't understand why Golden. I really don't like his claim.
So why would you help him win an election then?

Perhaps this is misunderstanding. We are currently voting for who to lynch. I assumed he meant that statement in a dejected joke way. He is winning the current "election" for who we will lynch. I would never actually vote to give anything to TH during a night poll.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:34 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:27 pm I have a feeling like I'm going to win this election.
I'm going to be campaigning hard for you to not win.

I don't understand why Golden. I really don't like his claim.

:o I didn't realize TH and Kyle had that kind of relationship...

I have pretty much no read on Choutas at this point, which bothers me but I am willing to give you a chance to do your own thing. Especially since I like what you just said about the wait and see plan for dealing with TH. I was beginning to think I was the only one who could see the danger in this plan.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:40 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:23 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:01 am
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:27 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:18 pm Do we really think there are three town-aligned doctors in this game?
nah
This bothers me too. Wasn't it MacDougal, Scotty, and Epi? One of them may get my vote today.
It looks like Epignosis walked back his claim as trying to attract a night kill
I officially suspect Lunalee for that post. "One of them may get my vote today" is a way of leaving her options open without specifying a preference for any one of us.

I agree. Given what was presented about her and then her response. I don't feel good about Luna. I am considering moving my vote to her.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] can I get your opinion on TH? I've probably read it at some point and just don't recall, but I'd like it now. How do you feel about this, let's wait and see what happens plan?

[mention]sprityo[/mention] I don't think the suspicion of Choutas is that heavy. I don't remember much at all about Choutas actually. Wait, you are replacing Choutas, right?

lapluie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:26 am This is not a real vote but I always default for Choutas to see who voted who sorry

Why is Choutas this go to default vote?

lapluie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:19 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:30 am @lapluie Can you give me your opinion on the following people:

TurnipHead
Kylemii
ColinisCool
Choutas
Lunalee
insertnamehere

Is there anything that you've seen that stands out to you?
Reading their post histories starting with turnip & downwards
~I feel like his posts aren't game related just a bunch of jibberjabber about random topics that have no contributions to the game whatsoever, pretty monotonous read. (If I'm wrong pls correct me sorry if I've offended you turnip).
~has put in thought & opinions, good read from kyle to be honest, he seems genuine. Have no bad feeling about him.
~he's fun to play mafia with when he's drunk & sober, mostly drunk. good guy... sometimes... still vague to read it's either good or bad. His posts give me the same opinion like last game, idk if it's a good or bad thing help.
~churro boi!! He's too quiet, pls post more & give more thought, I think he's capable of doing more but he seems reserved, his posts indicate some WiFi trouble & request a replacement so idunno, neutral!!
~good stuff, but some reason I feel like she's hiding something or is too worried to say but overall , neutral
~that long as heck weird font essay convinced me he's town..
that is all ... thanks

Thanks lapluie!

Nope. And Golden, after a second read through I could be mistaken in what I thought I saw about Epi. I could see it the way I thought or the way everyone else seems to have accepted that it was.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:59 am @Spacedaisy you voted for me earlier, and don't believe TH's claim then why wouldn't you just assume that i am also lying and TH's teammate

I can see a baddie team putting one player at risk, that is acceptable. I can't see them putting two people at risk for the same lie. I find TH less believable.

I put my vote on TH for the moment. i'm not sure it's staying there. [VOTE: turniphead] aubergine

[mention]lapluie[/mention] Can you give me your opinion on the following people:

TurnipHead
Kylemii
ColinisCool
Choutas
Lunalee
insertnamehere

Is there anything that you've seen that stands out to you?

You aren't irrational. I can understand your hesitance to trust anyone. I will defend Golden at this point though because he could have ignored it and thrown me to the wolves but he didn't. It confirms to me I am right in my belief he is a civ. Baddies don't eliminate people as lynch candidates if they can help it.

Now my problem is who do I not trust?

Right now I lean TH.

Epi

Epi, I will endeavor not to use the OT green to communicate something I need a prompt answer regarding in the future, because I understand how it affects the way you will read both parties. I apologize for reacting as I did.

But Kyle how likely is a win con like that for a 3P? It's too easy! He wants us to wait, which makes me worry then it will be too late. He is putting us off until the time when it best serves him. And I have exactly zero reasons to believe this is not to the civs detriment.

Golden, if I am right then yeah I would rather not draw attention to it. I'll read back again and see if I misread or it changes my opinion. but right now my vote would not be on Epi.

Quin, I didn't.

I think there is a good reason why Epi is not a good vote though Golden. I believe there is a good thread based reason to think Epi is civ. Emphasis on believe, I don't know anything for certain, but it looked pretty straightforward to me.

That was a catch up post where I put all my thoughts as I went. Have I voted for you? No. In fact I said that what I think sig's alignment is would affect the way I felt about you. You are getting defensive of me off an old read.

However, I do think people should be more wary of claims they can't prove.

Quin, if I wanted to vote you, i would. My point is that there is no way for me to be sure of anything. We don't even know for sure sig WAS bad. The reason I'm not voting you is because I lean toward the idea that sig probably was.

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