Get ready folks, this is a doozy of a post...
So I was reading tonight and felt pinged by something but did not immediately write anything down about it. Later I was trying to remember what it was and who said it, I incorrectly thought at first that it was Nutella, so I did an ISO of her posts. As a result I will share thoughts on her next. But first I remembered who it was that pinged me, unfurl. So here is my impressions after reading all her posts.
First, the two posts that pinged me big time:
unfurl wrote:Also Bye Bass
I think this is become an elitist game tbqh, where the people who arenot hard core player will going to be lynched, my prediction, less see in an a fortune teller
unfurl wrote:First, I think you people have too much free time to be posting a lot :P I really have no idea how you guys can talk so much, so Im just skimmed around cause today I have lesser time to be reading
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birdwithteeth11
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 73#p170173
read my post, I did not say RIP I said Bye, good thing you said you read my posts, makes point you did not
Too bad you dont think I have contributed much to the game, thats your opinion, great way to encourage players to keep playing in this site!!!
I was not around when you finally answered your questions to me
Perhaps my reasons for votting for you were not the strongest or the clearest but that was it at the moment, maybe I need to learn to make better cases
can someone teach me?
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Votting for choice 2 again
These two posts felt like they were disproportionate to the situation. What I mean is that low posters, though they have been discussed have not taken any serious heat until bass, and his lynch was a result of the content of his posts, not the quantity. Additionally, the comment about encouraging players to keep playing felt like emotional manipulation. Like, "don't come after me it makes me feel unwelcome here," kind of thing. It felt seriously underhanded. Now, as to her level of contribution, I don't think I agree with the idea she hasn't contributed much. In the first cycle she did not contribute, I'll touch on that more later, but from there she has asked some insightful questions of the hosts and made some accusations and stated clear suspicions for grounded reasons. So I don't think she is a non-contributor. I just really didn't like the feel of the statements she made here, they feel like emotional blackmail , so to speak.
Now going back to the beginning, I am not the only one who noted these comments from her:
unfurl wrote:Trying to figure out who "could" be recruited so early is a witch hunt imho
Is just guessing, but part of this game is just that at the end
Based in just guessing, I dont have suspects for leaders or recruiters. at this point, is finding a needle in a haystack unless you are a mind reader, then good for you, but discussion is good so there
Golden-Epig back in forth, intersting (haha I noticed Epig hates the word intersting!!!! :P)
Both of them talk and argue a lot, thats pretty much my conclusion
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something as a general request
Please, use the green off topic color, for the people who dont have a lot time, to be reading/posting a lot, it helps to skim those parts
She has a very dismissive attitude of the idea anything useful can be learned from any kind of investigation or discussion here, I don't like this. It is not so much that she doesn't seem interested in helping, it is that her dismissive attitude comes across like a discouragement to others from doing anything other than just guessing, because we can't really figure anything out now anyway. Needle in a haystack and all. I don't like this.
Then MP brought up low posters, she immediately joked, that was fast looking forward to seeing these comments. And MP engaged her in conversation about it. This was her response to him:
unfurl wrote:I think Im going to be very sarcastic this game, I dhould problably lear to use the orange color, but see I can use the green color
so proud of myself!!!
linky MP
I do understand your point a little bit, and ofc no one likes to be talking a lot, and get lynched or NK for it, while others just fly under the radar and a lot times win because of it
in a set up like LMS I agree, is usually good to get rid of people that are not even playing cause it gets boring
And that was fast cause I was around at this moment in my pc, and I found it amusing
Note please that she says two distinct things here:
1. she understands his point and you're right, it is a good idea to get rid of people not playing because they make the game boring
2. She calls it a LMS set up
Note also: she did not make any kind of clear stand against the idea of voting low posters. In fact as the conversation between them continues it is obvious that MP is discussing with her the fact she doesn't
want to talk about
anything, not the low poster issue.
MP notes that she has been unwilling to talk about golden vs Epi, and now is unwilling to talk about low posters so he invites her to share what she is interested in talking about and this is her response (including their back and forth conversation):
unfurl wrote:MovingPictures07 wrote:unfurl wrote:MovingPictures07 wrote:
So what do you want to talk about?
I already talk what I wanted to talk about, I said my 2 cents and I feel good about it
Freedom of choice, everyone is free to talk about whatever makes then feel they are playing
Of course. That's why I asked what you wanted to talk about. If you didn't want to discuss low posters, then what did you want to discuss?
How do you propose we uncover a recruiter today?
Like I said I have no ide how to uncover a recruiter is finding a needle in a haystack, but maybe the people who talk a lot are able to find a solution :P
She refused to engage in any kind of conversation and in fact seems to dance around it and turn the tables to make it look like he was somehow the bad guy for asking. It's a hostile tone to me, using phrases like freedom of choice as though he is somehow threatening that freedom.
MP then voted for unfurl and here is her response:
unfurl wrote:MovingPictures07 wrote:Fuck x 9001, something's come up re: PhD and I'll probably be pulling an all-nighter tonight and possibly tomorrow night to get all of this shit done. I'm sorry, folks, but this absolutely has to come first.
I'm going to just go ahead and vote unfurl in case I can't come back in time. I know this is unlike me, but I'll be lucky enough to get this done even with not sleeping tonight. I'll catch up properly whenever I can, probably Saturday or Sunday.
So according to you Im worst then a low poster? cause thats who you said wanted to discuss, and because i when against you, I pretty much became your target
So is more an easy vote to just vote for me?
MP explained his vote and this was not the reason at all. He explained it was because he believed this early in the game a recruiter would want to be careful not to say too much and make a mistake. He also said earlier that yes he was looking at low posters but of course if he found something that might indicate to him someone is a recruiter then he would vote that way instead. You exhibited an extreme desire not to talk. you made it clear you were just going to take a guess with your vote. He made it clear he voted for you because he believed you might be a recruiter who is nervous about talking too much. But you come at him saying it's because of the low poster idea and because you were standing up to him. Which you did not clearly stand up against it until after he voted, in the following post quoting me... Before that you gave me the impression of someone who is tired of this old debate, being sarcastic jokey about it. And your response to him even seemed to be in agreement with him to some extent.
Now your response to my post:
unfurl wrote:Spacedaisy wrote:
Voting low posters. Really? If you want to vote someone for low contribution, fine, but in this situation there seems like a beck of a lot of other things to consider and I think the discussion of recruit/recruiter reasoning has been an excellent example. If we can locate either a recruit or recruiter it might give us a possible direction to look next. At one point llama made a comment about not thinking low posters are a good lynch option, but if we are going to lynch them today would be a good day. I think that is extremely silly given the fact a recruitment has already occurred, and twice for at least one of the baddies it seems. It didn't give me warm feels about llama, but I read it twice and he did say he didn't think they were the best option, so I kind of out him on my back burner, suspicion wise. Anyway, the low poster people who have masse me last comfortable are MP and bwt. MP listed me in his low poster column, knowing full well what my situation is because he has been witness to my rage against the iPad.
Exactly the part about low poster discussion taht started from MP, you said it eloquent but I just I found it funny when I first saw it and made a joke about it,
low poster is an easy target, and cause people always try to go that route, and I get it in a LMS game is somewhat valid, but this is not a LMS game
Wait, what? Rewind. You said to MP earlier this IS a LMS set up. Then you say to me this is NOT a LMS set up. You never said any of this about low posters being easy targets, etc. I feel like there are some direct contradictions here from your earlier statements.
Now I want to be fair here, so I will say this is an extremely good point we need to remember. Roles can be recruited by any team, so any messages in thread should always be taken with a grain of salt. This was a very civ minded comment IMO:
unfurl wrote:About the messages posted from The Speaker of Serenity and the Keeper of Ravens
The issue that I see with roles that can post messages on the thread, is that we dont know the identity or the intentions behind it?
From probabilities is more likely early on that player is civvie-neutral, but later on it can become an old fashion witchunt
It can become very handy to help to figure out things if they are receiving extra-knowledge but also good to keep an open mind
I feel like there is a good amount of contradiction in the things unfurl has said. Additionally, she was very reticent to even try to have a conversation, which was flat out weird. And her posts after bass was lynched felt like emotional manipulation to me, and I did not like it one bit. That said, she has asked some good civ minded questions of the hosts and she has made a good point regarding message roles. So she is a bit of a mixed bag. At the moment I would call her a contender for my vote, in fact I will put it there for now since votes are changeable, but I am not 100% certain it will stay there yet.
Registering a vote for unfurl.