The Syndicate

vote: Spacedaisy

Might as well vote myself, seeing as I have no chance anyway.

Epignosis wrote:

Polo wrote:Noice! Time to lynch Spacedaisy, then!

I may join you. Her reason for not voting me didn't prevent her from voting S~V~S, and it was the same reason. That makes no sense to me.

Speak of the devil.

Stop twisting things around Epi. I did not vote you because I don't suspect you. My saying that I don't believe I have ever suspected you was my way of saying I don't suspect you, I have never found anything you have done to be suspicious.

My reason for voting SVS was because there were two people in particular on that lynch train that I trusted to know what they were talking about when they said she was a cylon. That coupled with polo's insistence about her specific role, well it was pretty damning to me. So don't overlook my very good reason for voting SVS and pretend like it is in any way comparable to why I didn't want to vote you.

Did I miss the step where Nero adequately explained why he would come in and say all the F5 were Cavil aligned and everyone is just cool with It? Because I'm not, and should I have not voted SVS in the lynch before last he would have been my second choice. If I have simply missed this, someone please point it out to me?

So say we all ....?

Omg, I'm so sorry. I have been trying to keep up and was going to vote when I got home from work tonight but I didn't get home in time! I'm so fail these last few days.

Wish I could claim that I knew it, but truth be told I was following a couple people who I felt fairly certain knew what they were talking about. My gut has been shit.

I've been struggling a bit here between two things.

1. I don't like Nero's comment earlier and I do believe some of the F5 are bad news. Right now I suspect him the most of the returned

2. there are some very confident people in those SVS voters, some of whom I am inclined to believe.

I don't believe I have ever really suspected Epi during this game yet, so I'm not inclined to vote that way. I'm going to take a shot here and follow in the SVS vote.

S~V~S

Ok, I got the go ahead on this from Golden too, so it should come as no surprise (considering two others have already answered the exact same way, lol) when I say that yes when I began the game I knew my alignment in so far as I knew my win con.

Post #3

Rico, you're welcome because it is true. And you are more than welcome to look at my previous life because my alignment hasn't changed. But I certainly do suck, lol.

Nerolunar wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:Post #2
Nero, can you please identify your wills for us?

I only made one will because I forgot to make a second. It was something like " I am alive, kill Cavil asap. Im not following the thread so I have no reads." Paraphrasing.

DrumBeats wrote:#3

Dex wrote:#5

DrumBeats wrote:I do not think I am comfortable with believing that both Wilgy and Epig are civ after the Glorf flip. Dex, what do you think in that regard? .

I am comfortable with that. What makes you uncomfortable?

Numbers. One more question, and this applies to all four final five revived people, how many of the final five do you believe are likely Cavil-aligned? Just take a guess

I think it's 2/2, and I also believe the last final five has yet to die. The Final five are definitely aligned with Cavil and not independent I think.

Dex wrote:#4

In which case, I'm back to defending Epi, based on lore. Athena was never mafia.

I think Dex is aligned with Cavil and Athena/Epi. Given the events with Glorfindel/Boomer and us labeling Boomer as evil due to the lore barely leaves option for Epi to be civ. I just can't see him be, the two Sharons are dual and cannot be civ together. Using lore as an argument yet again seems bold but still something I could see mafia doing.

3#

Did you just admit to being Cavil aligned here? If you were not Cavil aligned then you should know that some of us are civ aligned....

DrumBeats wrote:Post #4

Interesting. If what Nerolunar says about the F5 being told of their new allegiance post-death is correct then we can examine these death posts a bit. I am noticing that juliet's post about Epi is rather odd imo. This was before Glorf was revealed to be town, and Juliet's 180 turn about Epi strikes me as odd. It could have easily been that Juliets was given a new alignment and wanted to throw some shade on Epi or possible distancing between the two if the mafia F5 were told who their partners were. Nero's death post too pings me a bit. Assuring us that he's not evil in the death post and then assuring us that he's civ on his first post isn't a good look imo.

@ Dex
@ juliets
@ Spacedaisy

How many people in the F5 do you believe are mafia?

I believe unless I missed something it was myself and Juliet's that said this. Nero almost seems to be acting as if he isn't F5 which I find... Odd. It's the only way I can understand that comment I responded to above.

I would guess 2-3 based entirely on my guess about how he would have to keep the game balanced. Even that is difficult to say for sure given how ambiguous everything has been. I would be surprised if it were more than three or only one. So, yeah 2-3 probably.

@ Rico, I want to check with Golden before I say anything regarding the alignment question, I have accidentally tread too close to it before. I'll get back to you.

Post #2

So Say We All

Apparently I am back. I was asked to identify my wills and the answer is, none of them. I never submitted one because I found it exceedingly hard to keep up with a game that I was dead/not dead in. I skim read the thread once every two or three days, but I completely missed the deadlines to submit the will thing both times. I did not know I was F5 until I was night killed. At that point I was told what my alignment was, so the Final 5 don't get the option who to align with, for the record. So don't base your votes on who you think we (the player) would choose align with, it has no bearing.

It's nice to be back, but I feel at a loss because of the fact I have not kept up well and because lore has no bearing so what the heck are we basing anything on... meh.

Someone asked me about Wilgy, and frankly I think it may have been true that I was killed to frame Wilgy. I don't know any other reason why I would have been killed. Other than LC, I was way off apparently on my instincts so, I doubt I was a threat to anyone. So I feel much less suspicious of him than I did in my previous incarnation. But again, my instincts have sucked lately so I'm not sure anyone should be listening to me at all, LOL.

Post #1

Also I'm aware Gaius is human, but you could hardly call him a good character. Her was narcissistic and really only interested in his own survival. Would you call this a mischaracterization?

Let me be clear, I am not looking to hunt down Gaius, or Six, but that doesn't mean I trust them.

You can say it looks however you like. I definitely human and I am not mafia. Additionally, I believe that there is a high likelihood that win cons are fluid for various roles based on events and time in the game. Yep those two may have a win con that might be conducive with the humans, but can you say based on their earlier actions in the series that they are civilian aligned? I can't. I'm not inclined to trust them easily. I would trust Athena right now, and that is about it. This game is designed with a lot of gray area I think. Anyway Wilgy has made a request and I'll look into it, if not tonight then tomorrow. I don't feel anymore trusting of sig than others do, so we will see if it changes my mind about who to give my vote to next.

Epignosis wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:That post was in response to Wilgy asking me why I believe he is bad.

No kidding.

Quiet, you smart ass Toaster.



Linki: yes I will do that for you Wilgy.

That post was in response to Wilgy asking me why I believe he is bad.

Because there are not living Cylons I would trust at this point. Epi has the only one I would really trust to be good. People keep talking about Caprica Six and Gaius but frankly I would not trust either of those roles farther than I could throw them. I would be very willing to bet they have their own win Cons and I wouldn't trust them to be in the best interest of the civs at all. I mean come on, Gaius' only concern in the course of the show was Gaius. And Caprica Six was the one who used him to get through the defenses of the colonies. Why in name of the Lords of Kobol would I ever trust these two roles? So you tell me Wilgy, what Cylon role do you see still living that I should trust? Unless the final five have been activated, I don't believe you. And I still feel it is too early for that. So no, I think you are bad.

I am very pleased with the results of this lynch. And it makes tomorrow an easy lynch in my opinion. I don't believe for one second that Wilgy is good.

*Cylon

It sounds to me like Wilgy is implying that he is a cyclon and that he has a lynch she in his back pocket unrelated to the claim.

So you are a toaster then.

Long Con wrote:Ok, "blew up", I see it now. Think less anger-blow-up, and more suspiciometer-explosion.

Ok, gotcha. We are on the same page now.

Long Con wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:You can dispense with the sarcasm sir, my vote is cast and I am quite comfortable with it.

Where was I being sarcastic?

I don't think you are attempting to frame him, I think you are desperate to make any other case look as bad as you can in order to avoid your own lynch and that is definitely not a pro-town action.

"Desperate to make any other case look bad"?? Is that what I've been doing, really? I didn't really feel like I was getting lynched today, why would I be desperate? S~V~S, my biggest detractor, agreed to give me some time to prove myself, and I felt like that was how it was going to go.

I've done nothing at all to deserve the accusation that I'm "desperate to make any other case look bad".

And clearly you didn't read my GTHs where I believe I marked SokothQultuq as bad.

I read the GTH's. I didn't rush back to double-check what Spacedaisy said about Sokoth in the GTH's, and it's weird that you expected me to, enough to accuse me of not reading them at all just because... why? Because I didn't come flying back in your face that you are being inconsistent?? What did you expect me to say exactly to prove I read the GTH's?

Not based on overwhelming evidence, just a grain of paranoia. I'm not here to defend his honor, rather I saw your post and it screamed bad to me. And I don't believe for one second you don't get what he was saying. If you had said, I get it but I don't think he is right, or even that you thought his real reason for arguing that viewpoint was to hold onto his lynch immunity, then I would not feel the same. But you came in and argued that he was saying that literally typing I am a cylon would take too long. That is ridiculous.

I know it's ridiculous. His whole paragraph about it was ridiculous. I picked the most ridiculous part and focused on it, but when you blew up over it, I went through each part and explained why it, as a whole, was ridiculous. The fact that you want to focus on me for pointing it out, and are ignoring Sokoth's post entirely, despite being suspicious that he's bad, says something about you. It says you are more interested in getting rid of me than discussing a suspicious post by your supposed suspect.

You are a bad Indy IMO. And I think we will need to be rid of you.

Lynching me would be a waste of a lynch, which will only help the Cylons.

There you go. You said I blew up over it, which led me to believe you thought I was emotional about the whole thing. Thus I wanted to clarify I was not upset or emotional, I just very strongly believe you to be a bad role. The whole comment about me not being upset was not an argument in the case, it was me letting you know, I'm cool, I'm not emotional, because honestly a lot of people can't read me correctly emotionally speaking unless it was like my melt down earlier this game. Then it is very clear I'm emotional. Generally speaking, swearing or heated debate does not equal emotional Daisy. I just enjoy debate, and I may get frustrated but it doesn't mean I'm angry or upset. So all that comment was intended to do was to make sure you knew we are not wandering into emotional Daisy territory, that's all.

LC, I responded to the GTH portion here but apparently the word GTH got lost before posting so you probably didn't know that wS what I was referring to. I wasn't accusing you of something in that statement, I was saying that you are implying I think Sokoth is good when I have said nothing of the sort and actually slightly lean bad.

Spacedaisy wrote:Also, I didn't mean anything by the comment regarding except that you were saying I don't think he is bad when I've actually already said I kind of do.

You said he was looking for reactions. I don't think I picked that statement up in any of his posts, could you please quote this? I saw where he said he was fishing for reasons, but he has been saying that all along, so I don't see what you are driving at.

Linki: you literally used the phrase blew up. I will go back and pull the quote after I post this one.

I understood him to mean it is clearly a waste of time to participate in a plan that he perceives as being full of holes. He has been saying this same thing over and over for some time now. His point did not seem to be the time, his point seemed to be that it was a futile plan. Whether or not I agree with him, he has been pretty clear in what he is saying and he has said it several times so your behavior with him and now me looks increasingly manipulative to me.

I hate phone posting...

The first paragraph was to SVS, the second to LC

S~V~S wrote:

Matt wrote:

Long Con wrote:Linki: Yeah, so basically what Rico said.

I think you were joking haha.

Can't tell for sure, but it looked like Rico said what I was alluding to, that Epi isn't what he appears to be.

Rico, smile for yes, frownface for no.

It looks tome like you are spitballing,tbh. Trying to find reasons to suspect people.

Based on his behavior, I have no reason to think Epi is bad. I have no reason to think the sorties are anything but random.

@Daisy, I did not back off. I said I would give him time. I don;t have to vote until the end, or close to it. I still think the other shoe is going to drop. Golden would not make the secret role a benign kinda-townie role, IMO. The Secret Role is probably very awesome and I am jealous of LC for getting it (presumably & imo). But this role is not just a counterweight to Cavil & Cylons, i would think; it is probably also a counterweight to Adama.

I will be voting for either Wilgy or LC. I think of everyone with votes, Wilgy is sketchy as all fuck, WAY sketchier than OA for sure.

I apologize if you felt I meant something by how I phrased that. I didn't mean you felt any better about him just that you seemed to be ok backing off him to allow him the time he was asking for to prove himself. I was not trying to imply anything about you, just responding to what LC said.

Also, LC, you seem to be under the mistaken idea that I was blowing up or somehow upset at you. I am not upset in anyway. You are free to accuse Sokoth or anyone else you want, butt I found the point you chose to attack to be a weak and somewhat manipulative point to go after him for and it sent off my alarms. It still does. You can they too make this about Sokoth, but it isn't. It I'd entirely about the idea that a town minded LC would ever come in building a case against someone based in the absurd idea that you actually believed when he said it was a date of time that he mean it literally took too much time to type I am a cylon. This is not a civ minded LC that I'm seeing. This is done kind of manipulative and twisty LC.

Also, I didn't mean anything by the comment regarding except that you were saying I don't think he is bad when I've actually already said I kind of do.

Long Con wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:You can dispense with the sarcasm sir, my vote is cast and I am quite comfortable with it.

Where was I being sarcastic?

I read the statement "I'm sorry my perspective is not the same as yours" as a sarcastic comment. I'm not upset or anything though even if it was.

I don't think you are attempting to frame him, I think you are desperate to make any other case look as bad as you can in order to avoid your own lynch and that is definitely not a pro-town action.

"Desperate to make any other case look bad"?? Is that what I've been doing, really? I didn't really feel like I was getting lynched today, why would I be desperate? S~V~S, my biggest detractor, agreed to give me some time to prove myself, and I felt like that was how it was going to go.

I've done nothing at all to deserve the accusation that I'm "desperate to make any other case look bad".

I disagree, I think the way you went after Sokoth reveals your mind set, and I don't believe it is pro-town at all. Just because your biggest detractor backed off didn't mean others are all leaving you alone too, you've been a top candidate since Cain appeared and even before you were up there.

And clearly you didn't read my GTHs where I believe I marked SokothQultuq as bad.

I read the GTH's. I didn't rush back to double-check what Spacedaisy said about Sokoth in the GTH's, and it's weird that you expected me to, enough to accuse me of not reading them at all just because... why? Because I didn't come flying back in your face that you are being inconsistent?? What did you expect me to say exactly to prove I read the GTH's?

Not based on overwhelming evidence, just a grain of paranoia. I'm not here to defend his honor, rather I saw your post and it screamed bad to me. And I don't believe for one second you don't get what he was saying. If you had said, I get it but I don't think he is right, or even that you thought his real reason for arguing that viewpoint was to hold onto his lynch immunity, then I would not feel the same. But you came in and argued that he was saying that literally typing I am a cylon would take too long. That is ridiculous.

I know it's ridiculous. His whole paragraph about it was ridiculous. I picked the most ridiculous part and focused on it, but when you blew up over it, I went through each part and explained why it, as a whole, was ridiculous. The fact that you want to focus on me for pointing it out, and are ignoring Sokoth's post entirely, despite being suspicious that he's bad, says something about you. It says you are more interested in getting rid of me than discussing a suspicious post by your supposed suspect.

i don't find it out of character knowing the person behind the screen name. I suspect him a bit for other reasons, but not this one.

You are a bad Indy IMO. And I think we will need to be rid of you.

Lynching me would be a waste of a lynch, which will only help the Cylons.

Forgive me if I don't take your word for it.

You can dispense with the sarcasm sir, my vote is cast and I am quite comfortable with it. I don't think you are attempting to frame him, I think you are desperate to make any other case look as bad as you can in order to avoid your own lynch and that is definitely not a pro-town action. And clearly you didn't read my GTHs where I believe I marked SokothQultuq as bad. Not based on overwhelming evidence, just a grain of paranoia. I'm not here to defend his honor, rather I saw your post and it screamed bad to me. And I don't believe for one second you don't get what he was saying. If you had said, I get it but I don't think he is right, or even that you thought his real reason for arguing that viewpoint was to hold onto his lynch immunity, then I would not feel the same. But you came in and argued that he was saying that literally typing I am a cylon would take too long. That is ridiculous. You are a bad Indy IMO. And I think we will need to be rid of you.

Long Con wrote:

SokothQultuq wrote:So Say we all!

So I'm still waiting to hear a real argument on the "Claim your a Cylon" to stop the immunity thing here and not one of you has still managed to give me a good reason with provided evident reason to do what your asking. You want me to Claim Cylon in order to stop a cylon from using immunity. It does not work that way. So on my logical though process it is a waste of my time to claim something that potentially saves no one. Your asking me to go against my moral compass and jump on the band wagon for the greater good? I don't see this as for the greater good or bad.

I understand that there is a chance that a civilian/townie will get Lynched, but a bunch of you seem so certain that some people are who you think they are but yet you've not banded together to commit to a common cause.

Basically all I've gotten so far is "Save me, Save me" from getting lynched. What incentive do I have on saving you? Jumping on your band wagon. For all I know your a Cylon trying to manipulate everyone. To what end? I have no idea. Its a good way to stay hidden that's for darn sure.

You can Lynch me, but I can tell you that your most certainly Lynching a Human! To be honest with the pressure and lack of evidence I feel like I should hold firm to my position and tell you where to go. But I'm looking for something that actually makes sense to me. Until I see it, I'm not going to claim. As I stated, I stick to my convictions until proven otherwise in a way I understand. So help me! Or not! Your choice.

I will vote for you any time it looks like that vote will contribute to your lynch. You are bad. The pink line up there is a lazy lie. "Waste of time", WTF????? "Waste of time"??

How slow do you type, that "I am a Cylon" is too much of a waste of your time????

You know LC, right up until this post you had me feeling like you were genuine but this was absolutely the most ridiculous thing you have said so far. You know damn well that he did not mean literally the act of typing.

You've made my decision today very easy.

Vote: Long Con

So say we all.

ObscureAllure wrote:SD and Juliets - it's that people are saying "I don't see it, she didn't say anything what did she say?" Just because you didn't notice it doesn't mean it's not there.

Question for the thread. So I have this guard dog who was up barking all last night. Suddenly in the middle the night it stops. What do you guys think? Do you think the threat went away? Do you think the threat was actually a friendly neighbor? Do you think there was never any threat to begin with and I just need a new guard dog? Do you think someone tranquilized my dog to make it shut up? Do you think the dog was abducted by aliens? These are the things that keep Me Up at night.

OA, I think we are talking at odds here. There is a missed connection in my point. I'm not arguing there is nothing there and in fact until you came in to seemed to deny having said that you were punished for something you said, I had no issue with what you said. And even now I think you are just not understanding what I was suspicious about. And I have no frakking clue what the second paragraph was even about....

Matt wrote:I know Polo posted a list, but just wanted to post my updated list... (they might be the same, probably are, derp)...

a2thezebra
DrWilgy
Epignosis
Glorfindel
OA
Ricotech
sig
Sokoth
Vompatti

9 players. Is that correct? Someone said 7 earlier, so I don't know if I'm missing something somewhere...

Of the names above, I am most curious of the red. Oh, and OA. She def not civ, right?

Daisy, Sokoth seems to be a friend of yours. What do you make of him seeing you claim Cylon but he won't do it himself? As a noob to Mafia, I'd assume he'd look to your lead in situations like this where the town is conflicted.

sig - I'm not down with anyone not claiming but I find you most curious because you have been legit asking others to claim but you won't do it yourself. Wtf?

Anyway, off to work. Peace

Just because he's my friend doesn't mean he just blindly does what I do. He is an intelligent guy, and so far this game he has not seemed to rely on my opinions at all.

Silverwolf wrote:I also feel like everyone should claim cylon but it's obvious there are some who are not going to-Epi, Sokoth, OA and I am not going to push to lynch people for having minds of their own. So in any case, I'd like everyone that is willing to claim, claim and if you don't, just tell us why as these 3 already have. Even if they get out of a lynch down the road and are cylon, I still don't want to force anyone to go along with group think. We are not a cult here. I'm o.k. with them saying no. I think we've wasted a lot of game time trying to convince people to do it who are not going to.

^This! I'm done listening to the yelling and carrying on to try and convince everyone to claim. Would you really suspect those last nine who balked any less now than you did? Even if Sig claims it won't matter now because it will look like he was holding it until it could save him. Drop the plea for them to do it and start building cases on them if you suspect they are cylons. But stop caps locking about it, because it doesn't do any good.

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Linki, lol, how much time?

And couple of days. Can you just lynch Cylons until then or something? Is your win conditions going to be resolved in that time? You don't need Cain gone until it is time to end the game. I swear to you that you are better off and will have a greater chance of winning if you let me be. Unless you get lynched instead. But thats obvious.

Epignosis wrote:"I can write my name."

"Can you now?"

"No. I need time."

Crappy comparison. Don't do that. It's not that simple, you don't know what's going on.

Oh, no, you're absolutely right. I don't. Over my head. Pardon me while I fuck off some galaxy.

Wait, LC confirmed he is Cain?

Coming into this thread feels a bit like unknowingly wandering into an insane asylum. You think everything is cool and normal until you see some guy talking to his sock puppet and a woman rocking in the corner and all you can think is, "what the fuck is going on here?" That is how I feel reading this thread. I do not understand what most of you are doing. People I have played with for years are suddenly acting insane. I just can't even...

Sig claimed? Let's lynch him first, test him out. If he is as bad as he looks he will survive and we will know he is cylon for certain. but just not voting him because he claimed and it would be a wasted vote is silly. If you still suspect him and will vote him tomorrow anyway, we might as well just coordinate the second place vote winner to cover his claim giving him immunity. Give Bea or Wilgy the second most votes. Personally I prefer Bea because I honestly am suspecting her the most right now. That's my opinion at the moment. Not sure if I'm alone in this though.

Fwiw OA, I don't think you are bad, but that doesn't mean I think you are good either. If I was forced to call you one or the other as in GTH I put you good, but let me be clear I have some serious misgivings about you and some suspicions about you. But i don't think you are cylon.

ObscureAllure wrote:

juliets wrote:

Dex wrote:

juliets wrote:I saw something in her posts that I believe would have got her punished but I don't think it is wise for me to repeat it. So, I think she's telling the truth.

You did better than I did. Like SD, I couldn't find anything even remotely punishable in her posts prior to her smiley phase. I couldn't find anything that looked like a trigger, either, and I consider her specific claim - that she was punished for triggering an event - just bizarre.

Of all the excuses for not declaring cylon remaining, this may be, to me, the weakest, and therefore the most suspicious.

Even though I saw something for which I see she could be punished I agree that her using that punishment at this stage is the weakest of the reasons. Many of us have claimed and no one has sent out a warning to the others that punishment will come if you claim. Nor has Golden stepped in and given us all a warning quoting a rule and telling us that counts as breaking the rule. I believe one of those things would have happened if punishments go with claiming.

If OA is saying it's because of her specific role that she would be punished for claiming I don't know what exactly to think of that.

If someone gets in trouble for saying TOO MUCH, why do you keep demanding that she say MORE?! I mean, seriously people? Why are you actively *trying* to get me in trouble?! Shit in your inbox isn't allowed to be said or directly hinted at. I'm not going to point out to you what I said because I'll get I trouble again. I'm not going to clarify what it was that got me in trouble because I'll get in trouble again. Inbox she it off limits. THE END.

Linki: I don't think what Bea did constitutes punishment regardless of her role because she made a general statement wifom (If I was final five...) and Golden's rules are to not quote inbox or info dump inbox. To me what she said is neither. I'm not golden so that's not my decision, but I don't see how others are saying she role claimed or info dumped. (And I actually think she's a mafia and I'm saying this, so it's not a defense of her role ... It's a defense of her post.)

Two things.

1. Neither I nor Juliets asked you to say more about what got you in trouble than you have already said in thread, si don't see the relevance in that statement. Neither of us were asking you to make the claim or to give us more details about why you got in trouble.

2. I appreciate this answer it helps me in my consideration of Bea.

S~V~S wrote:@OA, a lot of people are looking poorly at bea based on things said inher posts vs.things said in YOUR posts.

Since you are the only one who really knows what you were punished for, do you agree or disagree with suspicion of bea based on that comparison?

Lol, I don't know if I count as a lot of people, but I do appreciate this question being asked.

And I never said you role claimed that I am aware of either. I was saying that you said you got in trouble for something you said because it got too close to something about your role. At least that was what I meant, if I said something different, it was not my intention. But what Bea has done is claim be a role that can be one of the final five. My question is why would you get fussed at for something you said (that apparently I am not the only one who does not see) but Bea might be allowed to do this?

Long Con wrote:You guys will be wasting a lynch that could get you an actual baddie if you lynch me. You will literally be wasting a lynch and you will be one lynch behind come endgame when it matters. I can prove it if you just give me a little time. You seriously do not need to lynch me for any reason unless you are a Cylon.

What is your opinion of what I said earlier regarding Bea and OA?

Dex wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Tomorrow (if alive of cors) I'd like to lynch Long Con.

I'm on board with that. Moreover, anyone of a like mind should cast their vote early. If LC is Cain, as I believe, he has the authority to order a premature jump. Making him the leader in votes before the day is half over will prevent that from happening.

Now this is a statement I can understand. I can see LC possibly being Cain. I marked him as good in my GTH reads, but I can see getting rid of him based on him being Cain. I don't think he is a cylon though. I don't like the change in my win con as a result of Cain.

Polo wrote:I'm not ever going to give people a civ pass for claiming, but be damn sure that the evil Cylons aren't okay with losing their first lynch immunity.
Most people have already used up their claim; do you want to let Cavil and his toaster pals get the upper hand? Frakking hell.

I just find your logic to be too closed minded. They have the upper hand no matter what and I am not going to waste precious time just spending my votes in an effort to get people (whose alignment I don't know) to use up their lynch immunity for the rest of the game, while giving others time to sit back on their rumps and let us do so. I'm still going to baddie hunt, I'm just not going to limit myself to just those who haven't claimed because I am not convinced that everyone who has claimed must be civ and everyone who hasn't must be bad. I'm not sure they all are. I know why it looks bad for them, but it won't be the only factor I base a vote upon. And I think it is damaging for us to all do so. Because then you effectually give them a lynch immunity anyway because you may be wasting time on the wrong people. All I a, asking is take their whole game into account instead of this one little part and asking us to just vote for someone who hasn't claimed. I may do so, but you can be damn sure it won't simply because they didn't claim. It will because I've looked at the whole picture and I suspect them as a result. That is all I am saying polo.

I'm not. And I would say voting someone entirely on that is a bad idea. But I would consider voting for someone who has done other things that make suspicious and that as well. Don't give people who made the claim a civ pass,it would be an easy way to pick up some cred they don't deserve. I don't want to tunnel on just people who wouldn't claim.

I killed the thread apparently.

That last line should have been in OT green, sorry lol.

Ricochet wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I never said you said she role claimed. It was a reply to Obscure.

Also, I'm rather reading Obscure saying she can't afford to endanger herself to more punishments given her role, not because of giving something away about the role, but maybe I'm reading it funny.

I'd rather lynch Long Con tomorrow, as far as statements that were affirmed go.

Also, I role claimed to be Ryuk early on in the game and the Host didn't punish me.

Which implies there was in fact a first punishment for something. My point is if Golden is being quite strict, why would Bea bellowed to say, hey I'm one of the roles that might end up being a Final Five!

No answer to that, I'm afraid. Maybe bea awaits punishment, since she said it a Day ago. Maybe
Obscure's mistake was more severe than role hinting.

Ok, maybe I am the only one seeing something in this. Probably means I'm tinfoiling I guess.

*Puts on her official Matt branded tinfoil hat and goes to sit in the corner with him*

Psst, Matt, I kept this from my days of being a card carrying member of the super duper cool kids club.

Bellowed = be allowed

Ricochet wrote:I never said you said she role claimed. It was a reply to Obscure.

Also, I'm rather reading Obscure saying she can't afford to endanger herself to more punishments given her role, not because of giving something away about the role, but maybe I'm reading it funny.

I'd rather lynch Long Con tomorrow, as far as statements that were affirmed go.

Also, I role claimed to be Ryuk early on in the game and the Host didn't punish me.

Which implies there was in fact a first punishment for something. My point is if Golden is being quite strict, why would Bea bellowed to say, hey I'm one of the roles that might end up being a Final Five!

juliets wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I never said she role claimed. I said that she insisted that she said something that was too close to her role for Golden's liking. I never saw anything personally that I would have considered punishable, but clearly OA has said that she did and was. If she wishes to deny those statements now I will gladly vote for her because she is admitting to lying.

I saw something in her posts that I believe would have got her punished but I don't think it is wise for me to repeat it. So, I think she's telling the truth.

Frankly, I didn't think she was lying, I was looking at Bea for being able to say what she was, in light of what OA had already said that made it seem clear Goldenwas being super strict. So I was looking at Bea for it. But I don't like that OA is denying she intimated she got in trouble for something she said when she pretty much told us that onmuliple occasions. If I am wrong then she needs to clear it up for me. Because it makes Bea look really bad right now.

I never said she role claimed. I said that she insisted that she said something that was too close to her role for Golden's liking. I never saw anything personally that I would have considered punishable, but clearly OA has said that she did and was. If she wishes to deny those statements now I will gladly vote for her because she is admitting to lying.

Ok, my mistake you said this regarding your smilies....

ObscureAllure wrote:The last time I said something that triggered an event, I spoke in smilies for two days. And you want me to do what now?

But then you also said things like this statement....

ObscureAllure wrote:The last time I made a statement remotely close to that, I spoke in smilies for two days. You out your damn mind. In a game full of triggers for every little thing we do you want me to say that? You don't know my role. You don't know the impact of saying that in other ways. Uh uh. Ain't no way.

And this....

ObscureAllure wrote:So you would put me before LoRab? Before people who have already said it and are cylon mafia like LongCon? I've already proven I'm not Nutella's partner in crime. You want to come after me for refusing to get punished again while ignoring mafia? That's on you. I've already received golden's wrath once this game, y'all done lost your marbles if you think I'm doing it again.

Oh yeah, and this....

ObscureAllure wrote:The difference between me and them is I think everyone *but me* should do it AND I've got evidence of my punishment for the last time I got too close to the fire. And they aren't my role. Everyone else has no excuse, so it opens the door for no one else.

Not to mention this....

ObscureAllure wrote:

Matt wrote:I never once said I'd rather lynch you or anyone else before Lorab.

Do you not agree, that by YOU saying you will not do this, it opens up the door for others to come in and say "Yeah I dun wanna get punished either so I dun wanna say it" ?

I don't get how you would get punished for saying "I'm not a Cylon". How is that even punishable in any legit universe?

I disagree because A) we've called it out, B) I have evidence of what I said and my punishment.

And it's punishable because I wasn't being a good little Teapot who sticks to her role and doesn't piss off the Golden God of Battlestar Gallactica lore.

Linki: yeah well neither does the message in my inbox (make sense) but I never watched the show so I just do as I'm told.

Linki: No, when you anger the gods of sticking to your role description, you definitely can get in trouble. I'm not explaining it much more than this because then I'll just get punished for outing my role or win con. I'm leaving it as this: this girl ain't claiming to be any robot Borg bender android looking mofos and that's final.

I am little perplexed by you right now OA. You seemed pretty damn clear that you somehow pissed off Golden with a statement that came too close to your role or something of that nature. You want to back track now?

Ricochet wrote:Obscure's smiley thing looked like an insanifier to me, I never closely followed what else she got cursed or "punished" with.

She said it was for something she said and she wasn't going to risk doing anything else to anger The Golden God host. perhaps she can clarify, am I mistakeni in what she was saying? Because it seemed pretty clear to me. Is she maybe the one who is lying?either she is telling the truth and there is good reason to question the truth in Bea's statement, or OA was lying and Bea has been allowed to say what she did because golden is not punishing people for coming near to any kind of role claim or what have you.

Ricochet wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I missed the part of bea claiming anything.

Her response to people trying to get her to claim cylon as part of the plan, look back. She basically said, well I don't know if I am final five yet, so I don't want to risk letting go of a lynch protect that I might need later.

Oh, I see it now. Is that worthy of "repercussions", as you put it, though? If the Final Five haven't activated yet and her words were truthful, it would put her in seemingly human civilian camp, where she might in fact remain, should the game's final five be entirely randomised, instead of lore driven.

Plus, she later burned her claim anyway.

I don't know if it is, but based on what OA said, I went back to see what she might have said to get punished, and the only couple things near where she started talking in smilies seemed pretty mild to me and I never would think of those as a punishable offense, so the fact Bea could say what she did without response from our host seems noteworthy to me. Yes it could be truthful, and such a statement would narrow down her role a bit, which is why it surprises me in light of OA's claim. But my point is, if she is not telling the truth (which I question the fact she might be allowed to make such a statement) then she was holding onto that lynch save for another reason. But I could be way off, I have been a lot lately.

Ricochet wrote:I missed the part of bea claiming anything.

Her response to people trying to get her to claim cylon as part of the plan, look back. She basically said, well I don't know if I am final five yet, so I don't want to risk letting go of a lynch protect that I might need later.

Long Con wrote:Cool gun to head exercise, and cool lynch result.

It's pretty suspicious that no one questioned the main Cylons being baddies until Lorab flipped... and then suddenly theories start coming out where half of them are good. Where were those people when I made my list days ago? I saw Rico tried to put a bit more suspicion my way because of it, so I hope others are noting that kind of thing as well.

I think the distinction between human-friendly Cylons and final five-friendly Cylons is important, and I imagine that the final five might play a big part of some win conditions, giving this mysterious game a lot more complications than a regular civ baddie dynamic.

So as an update of the plan that no one has commented on but I hope to God can work... the president should exempt the final five and athena from the martial law.

Linki agreed on Glorfindel

I agree regarding human friendly colons and your statement about it being more complicated than a standard civ to baddie game. It feels more like a faction game, or satisfy your own win con game, lol.

I disagree regarding your statement about the final five. Not because I think they should be forced to claim, but because more than likely the Final Five don't all know they are final five would be my bet. I think something will trigger them, but it still seems pretty early to me. Maybe it's even something we will do or say in thread, I don't know. Just spitballing. But it would be silly to exempt them because they may have throw it away already unknowingly. All it does is allow a bad cyclon to fake claim a role we aren't comfortable killing and even back it up by not dying in a lynch as a result. We all know Epi is cylon, I'm comfortable leaving him out of the everyone claim plan. But trying to exempt the F5 only opens up a can of worms.

As a side note, I find it interesting that Bea seems to have claimed one of a number of humans who could be final five. I also find it interesting that no repurcussions resulted in this claim. Given how OA claimed she was stiffly punished for getting anywhere near saying something that revealed anything about her role, I think this may be telling about Bea's own statement.

Also those numbers don't seem right with Black Rock, I thought I recall someone saying bad because it surprised me at the time. I'll have to go back and look to be sure.

Also, most of us are emotional and defensive at one point or another, as I've shown.

Silverwolf wrote:I'm a hell of a lot nicer and easy going IRL than I am in a Mafia game. Mafia makes me crazy but I love it cuz I'm crazy.

You don't seem not nice to me in mafia, only emotional and defensive. I'm sure you are quite lovely to spend time with irl.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:No MATT?

lol oops

GTH GO

MATT

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