The Syndicate

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:48 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:56 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:55 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:49 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:45 pm malakim2099 would you please do me a solid and describe your past mafia experience, to whatever extent you're comfortable with?

I suggest you take a look at the street fighter game: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... alakim2099
He was scum here.

Your link is broken. You accidentally mentioned yourself while typing it.

Also the forum is trying to force me to mention you too. It has had this kind of bug for weeks now. Spacedaisy

When ever you try to quote a post that has an @mention in it, you have to delete the @mention to avoid that problem. Otherwise it sees the original @mention and gets confused.

Why is this not in red

Because I was responding as a Tech mod, not as a former player and because it was OT.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:55 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:49 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:45 pm malakim2099 would you please do me a solid and describe your past mafia experience, to whatever extent you're comfortable with?

I suggest you take a look at the street fighter game: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... alakim2099
He was scum here.

Your link is broken. You accidentally mentioned yourself while typing it.

Also the forum is trying to force me to mention you too. It has had this kind of bug for weeks now. Spacedaisy

When ever you try to quote a post that has an @mention in it, you have to delete the @mention to avoid that problem. Otherwise it sees the original @mention and gets confused.

son of biscuit...

I wasn't feeling defensive, I was feeling curious about your purpose.

And almost every suspicion I have had, has been talked about and the more we talk about it, the more I question any of my suspicions. You have a different point of view because you read the majority of the thread in a big chunk, perhaps it doesn't seem so muddy to you. Or perhaps it is just something I struggle with, it's not unusual for me to find that the more talk that happens, the less clear my suspicions get. I don't know, I don't have a different or better answer for you.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:16 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:19 pm The same question can be directed towards @Spacedaisy for voting Dom.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:13 am
I'm not above voting an inactive player. I really think this is a discussion that should be had outside the confines of a game sometime, because I think "the maths" support lynching inactives when you don't have a firm lead taking you elsewhere. This is why my vote is currently on Dom. Despite everything we have had go on in these first two cycles, we have no solid information and we have been talking in circles around every little thing for so long that I feel like my reads are getting super muddy in my mind. So I am ok with voting out Dom who has done nothing at all.

I wasn't really asking why people voted for Mesk/Dom, I was asking "didn't you have anyone you thought was scummy who'd actually contributed to the 2600 posts?". So buy reading your explanation, are you actually saying you don't have any stronger leads than Dom at this point in the game?

I point you again to my explanation of my vote. It's not that I don't have suspicions, it's that I feel like everything has been so muddied in my mind with all the back and forth that I didn't feel confident enough in a vote for any of them at that point. But again, I was pretty clear about this in the post I quoted, so I am wondering why you feel the need to push me to answer it again? What more are you hoping I will say?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:21 am Wow! I cannot believe so many of you stayed up til 2am for mafia. Five pages from 10pm-2am. I looked at the poll, I read a few posts, but tbh, not enough to really understand how y'all came around to mesk. I thought I was the only one who thought she was bad. Y'all know not to listen to cooky eloh, shoot.

Mesk, I hope you join us again sometime soon. You seem like a fun person tonplay with when you're here.

I'm not gonna lie. Even if the lynch was a townie, I'm still happy someone is gone. It helps me form better opinions of others. Dunya... I think you're alright imo now. It eases my mind because I hated that nagging feeling that you were bad.

Alright... it's Thursday and you know what that means... I won't be around. Don't talk too much.

To the highlighted portion, why?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:06 am Like in here, Quin started pushing the Mesk lynch before everyone. He pushed and he pushed until people took the bait. If one of Jay or New Dom is bad, Quin looks terrible. On the other hand, it is a risky play for a baddie. He more or less took the lead on it.

Or did he? He was the fourth one to vote in the poll (can we trust the pool order, btw? This site changes too much). That means he kept suggesting it until some people voted for her, then jumped on the wagon himself.

No, the order is not reflective of the order votes were placed. It has not been since we had the site reboot. I'm very sorry for this nuisance, but it's something that will have to be coded and I don't have that ability yet. So I can't change that at the moment.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:19 pm The same question can be directed towards @Spacedaisy for voting Dom.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:13 am
I'm not above voting an inactive player. I really think this is a discussion that should be had outside the confines of a game sometime, because I think "the maths" support lynching inactives when you don't have a firm lead taking you elsewhere. This is why my vote is currently on Dom. Despite everything we have had go on in these first two cycles, we have no solid information and we have been talking in circles around every little thing for so long that I feel like my reads are getting super muddy in my mind. So I am ok with voting out Dom who has done nothing at all.

To wait and see the result or not to wait and see the result... hmm

I'm mildly sick and very tired. Not sure I can wait around for Marmot.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:46 am Spacedaisy has moved to Dom.

Yes apologies, I did this in the car and my phone was nearly dead so I was waiting until I got home to say anything about it. I am now home. I feel like I keep flipping back and forth on some people. My difficulty is sometimes when another player passionately tries to argue something that just seems so out there to me, I have trouble deciding if I think they are bad or just seeing things differently than I am. Especially when the way I see it has been laid out clearly (either by me or in some cases by other people as well). That is the difficulty I am having with Jack, Quin, and even sig to a lesser extent. It's why I feel like I keep flipping back and forth on them.

As far as Eloh, if I took what she said alone I would probably think she was bad. But as Epi pointed out, most of the things that would be baddie tells for other people are just how Eloh plays. Until we start getting some info and we can evaluate how she has interacted with others, I am not sure I could say for certain where I fall on her.

I'm not above voting an inactive player. I really think this is a discussion that should be had outside the confines of a game sometime, because I think "the maths" support lynching inactives when you don't have a firm lead taking you elsewhere. This is why my vote is currently on Dom. Despite everything we have had go on in these first two cycles, we have no solid information and we have been talking in circles around every little thing for so long that I feel like my reads are getting super muddy in my mind. So I am ok with voting out Dom who has done nothing at all.

Linki @ Epi: I'm not afraid of lynching Jay. My belief in his town alignment is starting to wane a bit.

I agree with that assessment of this back and forth Quin.

Oh my word, in this back and forth with Kyle I am feeling like Jack's tone is very sincere... this is why this extended Day 1 situation is bad for me, the more stuff thrown at me the more indecisive I feel... I'll re-evaluate when I get home later tonight. I may change my vote.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:46 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:43 pm I'm voting Jack.

well now I'm tempted to go back to bob for the time being just to preserve the closeness of the poll. I don't like runaway trains early(ish) in the day.

Feel free, if I was not getting ready to go out for a while this evening I might hold my vote, but I don't want to risk getting busy while out with friends and forgetting. And I feel most confident with a vote on Jack.

Linki: I don't think pushing Jack to answer something he feels is too close to the role claim/info dump line is fair or right. You know what the possibilities are out there, now you decide based on the whole picture where you fall. What do you believe happened? Roll the dice, cast your vote. Either you believe Jack's tone, defenses, content, etc. or you don't. Don't ask him to do something that is not in the spirit of the game that the host created and that the host has specifically warned against. I respect your conviction here Jack. I'm almost sorry that I still suspect you, but I do. Even so, I respect your stance here.

I'm voting Jack.

A tie wouldn't result in a lynch any Day outside of Day 1. So someone survived a lynch. Either by vote shenanigans or by having a role that can either stop a lynch or survive it's first death. Speaking of [mention]Marmot[/mention] I still have not had an answer to my questions, not even to say you won't answer it. So I will ask again, I assume you being absent means you didn't see it.

1. How will lynch stops be written?
2. Does Anawhatsever (I think that's the role that survives it's first death attempt) survival apply to either lynch or NK or just NK?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:34 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:09 am Ugh. This night. Now to go see why I was almost lynched.

Jack made this post in the time between the poll closing and Marmot's host post. The poll was tied between the two of us.
Sutter Buttes has the ability to decrease a player's vote total by 1 on a given day. I believe this notion was entertained as a possible scum slip by some in the immediate aftermath of the day. I don't think it would be too outrageous to consider. I'd like to ask Jack why he thought he was "almost lynched" instead of just plain lynched in that moment.

^ This

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:59 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:17 pm if someone explains the jack thing to me then I will be eternally grateful

@Spacedaisy ?

I can't speak for everyone else, I can only speak for me. I find it highly unlikely it was town/town when the lynch was Sloonei/Jack. One of them is most likely bad imo and I am leaning Jack. They both said things that seem to indicate they knew there was more there than meets the eye. I believe Nutella is civ and who I think she is after the Day1 non-lynch. So that leaves me with questions about what Jack said before the lynch non-flip. Then you add in his defense of LC's arguments against Epi Day1 and I just feel like he is most likely bad. The arguments are ridiculous and I feel like they keep trying to paint Epi as bad when in fact I think they are the ones twisting what Epi was actually saying. That's just me talking about where I am coming from, I don't know everyone else's case against him.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:10 pm If Jack is bad, then he has slipped twice.

Not necessarily. You can be bad and get caught out for stuff that isn't actually a slip or scumtell. It's annoying as hell, but it happens, probably frequently. Pure dumb luck.

linki Kyle: Sloonei said stuff much more blatantly, and before Jack did. So technically they both made that kind of claim. Jack seemed to imply he knew vote shenanigans were at work for him to have not been lynched. Sloonei just implied it would be a waste of time to lynch him, period. So Sloonei's claim seems more believable to me. In order to believe Jack's claim, I would need to believe either Nutella is not who I think she is, and judging by her behavior I don't think this is the case, or that he is the role that borrows power from a mountain taller than itself and used it to double his vote value. This last one is possible. I just have trouble buying it when I consider the whole picture of Jack.

Stupid phone posting! Invert = about

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:16 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:49 pm I'm realizing very quickly just how few people I trust in this game...

Someayall judgy as hell. Am I supposed to pretend the mafia could be s billion people?

Nope, but what you should get out of it is that Daisy doesn't feel convinced invert many people's civieness. Also when I am in doubt I usually go withbad and when I have zero read because they are absent I go with bad as well. And in a game with two full cycles under our belts and no death, I think that's a good way to approach someone with no activity or next to no activity.

It has nothing to do with you, sorry.

I'm realizing very quickly just how few people I trust in this game...

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:47 pm ELOHCIN
KYLEMII
SPEEDCHUCK
QUIN

Bad
Good
Bad
Bad

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:45 pm INSERTNAMEHERE/GLORFINDEL
SPACEDAISY
DOM

Bad
Towniest Town there ever was or will ever be
Bad

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:42 pm MOVINGPICTURES07/JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
LONG CON
MESK514

Good
Bad
Bad

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:40 pm SLOONEI
DRAGON D. LUFFY
COLONIALBOB

Good
Good
Bad

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:38 pm SPRITYO/DUNYA
SIG
EPIGNOSIS

Bad
Bad
Good

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:35 pm Yeah fuck it.

JACKOFHEARTS2005
NUTELLA
DRWILGY

Bad
Good
Good

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:36 pm please don't flip on me daisy, i'm still going through post by post again and ISOing everyone. So give me till tomorrow before I vote and then you can flip on me.

I don't know what you mean by flip on me...

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:27 pm I thought he said he was climbing a mountain so i was worried he'd been eaten by a bear or a big lizard

I must've missed him saying that.

I assume he is with family for Thanksgiving but I don't know...

That's what you think.

Yes.

See, I can do that too.

Well no offense Quinbut Eloh did to you exactly what you were doing to me. You pulled my request for ISO's and an opinion on sig from Jack and completely ignored the post (which unless I am recalling incorrectly was directly before the post you were questioning me about) from Jack asking me to give him something else to do other than just defend himself. So yeah.... hello pot, meet kettle.

I don't like the look of him, but I don't have enough reason to vote him next. I think ifn you did that ISO of me you talked about you, you would already know my opinion of him. I haven't been secretive about it.

I'm simming so I will keep this brief. I asked Jack because Jack asked me to to ask him for ISO's and while I was at it I asked his opinion of sig as well. I don't see what is unnatural about it given I was directly asked to interact with Jack. I didn't particularly want Jack's opinion over everyone else's.

Bummer, was hoping to see a Night post. Well, off to work.

Have you already ISOed someone? If no, then how about sprityo, Kyle or speedchuck.

Also, I'm curious your opinion of sig atm?

And do you still feel Epi is bad?

We have still no answer from Matmot, but judging by the way the thread reads today, I'll bet the lynch was stopped.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:20 am
I was also in the Jack is/did something camp, so I can appreciate this. Some of Sloonei's posts towards the end felt more 'I don't care about getting lynched because the game goes on without me.', not 'I don't care about getting lynched because I won't be getting lynched.'

I could not disagree more with you here. Sloonei seemed to be encouraging people to question why he wasn't too worried. If it were just that he didn't care because the game would go on, he would not have done that.

I will answer the question. I believed you to be civ. I have gone back and forth on Jack and I didn't feel strongly enough about lynching him. I did however feel like sprityo was a decent option and there was actually a chance he might get the most votes so I voted there.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:32 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:23 am

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:49 amI don't like daisy going after me and sprit and other low posters that screams mafia. Targeting people who aren't around to one defend themselves and two yo lynch since you get less heat if they flip civ when lynched. Since they weren't active so no big deal. Is my thoughts regarding lynching low posters. I also don't like het posts on wilgy they seem like she's trying to spread paranoia.

1. My case against you and at first sprityo was never about low posters. It was about people who had been somewhat active but their content was so minimal that it was forgettable to me. So nice misrepresentation there.

2. I'm not spreading paranoia, I'm trying to sort through my own feelings and figure out if it's tinfoil insanity or really something. Also, if I was spreading paranoia I would not be so willing to hear other opinions and adjust based on good points in response.

This accusation was definitively a no u and it really makes me like the look of you even less.

It might've been a little no uish. However, I do see a main argument of your case being that we're low posters which is a slippery and dangerous route to follow.

2. That's something someone trying to spread paranoia would say.

linki: Jack would you mind explaining why you think you were almost lynched?

Sig, I have already said it had nothing to do with how many posts you had. I didn't even know how many posts you had when I threw your name out there. I just knew I had seen you posting, but I couldn't recall a single thing about your posts or reads. That is a worrisome place to be in, mafia want to look active without drawing a bunch of attention to themselves. Honestly if I had gone and looked at how many posts you had I would have likely not even voted you because you had less posts than I felt like you did. But I never once took how many posts you had into consideration.

In fact if I were to apply the exact same criteria to casting a vote at this very moment and taking into consideration post count, I would vote either sprityo or Quin. Quin has the second highest post count in this thread and yet I can't think of a single case he has made independent of someone else, or a strong stance I can recall. And sprityo, I did vote for him and I would be willing to do it again for the same reasons as before. Though it is nothing personal and I'm sorry you had a rough day yesterday sprityo

But your insistence that I am going after you because you're a low poster even though I have corrected this misunderstanding makes you look worse to me, not better. That tactic is a great way to paint someone as bad because around here people going after low posters is viewed as an easy lynch (even though it almost never gets someone lynched, so I think this is a really weird case to make, but that is a mafia theory discussion really).

Linki @ Sloonei: Can you please specify what you mean by people who did not. Do you mean you want to know why people chose you over Jack or do you mean everyone who did not vote for Jack (including people like myself who voted for sprityo)?

Ok, perhaps I misread your intent. It read to me like, before the lynch you were trying to figure out why people were voting for Jack. Then after the result you were trying to figure out why people did not vote for Jack. Which would give me the impression that the result of the lynch made you feel worse about Jack. But this last post seems to make that impression incorrect. Do you still feel the same way about Jack now?

And I am inclined to lean Jack.

Or the lynch was stopped.

Nothing incriminating if that's what you want to know. I fully believe you are civ and there is little to nothing that can convince me otherwise at this point.

The reason I am trying to sort through this in the manner I am is because I think Nutella's posts and behavior have reinforced the belief I held. Either she really is who I believe or she wants me to believe she is.

I think I am at a point where I strongly believe either nutella is bad or Jack is bad.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:01 am Cristobal Colon (which I somehow missed in my tally of how no one got lynched) may have had to send in a lynch-stop without knowing which of the players in the "tie" were going to be lynched. It's conceivable that Civ Sloonei just saved baddie Jack, or vice-versa.

Yes it is conceivable. But if it is the case I maintain it was Sloonei who stopped the lynch and not Jack because Sloonei predicted non-death. Also, this possibility is why I asked Marmot how he will write a lynch stop.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:09 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:50 am True there might be other vote things going on, but I feel like neither Jack nor sloonie would make sense for the mafia team to target with their minus 1. Unless we're all way off with mafia members.

I don't understand what you mean by this. Some of us think that Jack could well be a mafia member who was protected by Sutter Buttes. Why are you discounting this possibility out of hand?

Nutella's response to my out loud theorizing is interesting to me. She seems to fall in with the idea of Sutter Buttes protecting Jack making it a tie lynch when it shouldn't have been.

Sloonei has gone from, "tell me what the case is on Jack?" to "why did you not vote for Jack?" This is also very interesting to me.

I did not get an answer from Marmot so I will ask again: Marmot, When you say "Aconcagua will survive the first attempt on its life." does this apply to either lynch or NK, whichever comes first? Or does this only apply to NK?

Can you tell us how a lynch stop will be written?

Or the third, less likely option imo is Sloonei implied something untrue and got really lucky to have no death, meanwhile Jack survived a lynch and is most likely good, with a smaller chance of being Indy.

This seems the longest stretch to me.

Here are just a few relevant posts, I feel like I am missing one or two from earlier too...

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:03 am Voting for me is a waste of time. Don't do it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:44 am Anyone want to point out that if self-preservation was my goal right now I'd just switch my vote to jack and stop trying to pull people onto my preferred target? No? okay.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:50 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:49 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:44 am Anyone want to point out that if self-preservation was my goal right now I'd just switch my vote to jack and stop trying to pull people onto my preferred target? No? okay.

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It's not wifom. I just don't have any reason to care about self-preservation in the poll.

I just think that if a player preemptively implies that lynching them will not result in their death and then we have a lynch which results in no death, they were probably being truthful.

This means then that Sloonei is the one who should have died. In order for that to be true either the player who has a vote worth two voted for him, did not vote for either of them, or voted for Jack who had a vote less than it seems because of Sutter Buttes.

I am left with two options. I was wrong about Nutella being the role whose vote is worth two (definite possibility, need to look over what originally led me to believe this) or Jack is bad.

Ok it was Jack and Sloonei tied with 5. I have been operating under the assumption that Nutella has a vote worth two based upon events from Day 1. If this is true, then Jack would actually have had six to Sloonei's five. This would then mean that either Jack is the role that survives its first death, he could be one of the two secret roles which we don't know the powers for, or he was protected by the Sutter Buttes and had his vote decreased by one, making it a tie that swung to Sloonei who then did not die.

I find it difficult to get past Sloonei seeming to think it was a waste of time to lynch him. His phrasing read to me like a hint at what would happen. I'll pull some quotes for examples.

This lynch leaves me with a distinctly bad impression of Jack. But there are two questions I need to have answered because they could be hidden factors at play if I have misunderstood them.

Marmot: Two questions. 1. When you say "Aconcagua will survive the first attempt on its life." does this apply to either lynch or NK, whichever comes first? Or does this only apply to NK?

2. If a lynch save has been used how will it be written?

These answers can impact my view of this latest non death.

Now I am off to pull the relevant Sloonei statements... then going to sleep.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:56 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:21 am Read what he has said over the last lynch it will be clear I think. And I feel very confident that if the vote tally is actually tied that Sloonei is confirmed town in my mind. I won't be able to go do research until later tonight or tomorrow though. Guests over still, phone posting.

What if it wasn't tied?

Then it gets a little muddier and I need to look things over.

Read what he has said over the last lynch it will be clear I think. And I feel very confident that if the vote tally is actually tied that Sloonei is confirmed town in my mind. I won't be able to go do research until later tonight or tomorrow though. Guests over still, phone posting.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:43 am So... what options are there for this lynch not happening? Obviously stuff like the Everest extra vote aren't a factor, because ties are randomized now. So.... the Big Mountain that can pardon a lynch? I should research before I post.

I think it's very clear that Sloonei knew he wasn't going to die if he was lynched. I assumed that he was the one who was lynched but didn't die. I'd have to double check the vote tally though.

We need information to go off here people!