The Syndicate

I think you balanced well the roles with the misinformation or ambiguity or red herrings or whatever you want to call it in the thread. You gave us enough reasons to doubt that we could ever actually know anything. I like that in a game. I really appreciate you guys taking the time to run this and I had a lot of fun! Probably my best (and maybe my only) 3P win, definitely my first GoC win!

[mention]DharmaHelper[/mention] You can get him back tonight by having Sully shoot Johnny again.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:32 pm Also whoever *was* responsible for giving Golden and Juliets the list of eligible players and left me out, causing me to embarrass myself when I PMed Golden and he said (paraphrasing) "First you gotta win a game then you can play"? I joke but that one was rough to swallow :P Come on man!

I thought initially "Oh cool, a first-phase fool role with a bonkers win condition (who in hell is going to survive long enough and consistently get votes and consistently be in the lynch wagon to make 7 votes/lynches?) that'll morph into someone that can actually do something once I inevitably die. So I had some wind in my sails at least, poking the bears and futzing with the game a bit while I waited to die. Then I died and the role stayed exactly the same in a game where it was explicitly in the rules that everyone gets two roles and the wind from those sails vanished and you can probably see that in the thread :P

Anyway it was a fun game, thanks for (almost kind of) inviting me Golden/Juliets. You guys did a great job.

That embarrassment was due to my list, but it's because in the past we had not included Heists in the GoC. So my list was correct, but we realized that the reason we hadn't included the Hejsts was we originally were going to do a smaller All Star Game for the Jeist MVPs. When you signed up it caused us to re-evaluate the process of Heists and GoC qualifications. So don't be embarrassed, you were a force for change. Anyway, all that to say sorry and it wasn't anyone's intention to embarrass you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:15 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:55 am Why the hell would you have a button that changes people's roles anyway? That's asinine.

Even in this, if I got lynched or whatever and found out I was bad round 2, I would be pissed.

My biggest, and really only fear about being lynched was that I might come back bad after all the work I’d put in as town. It made me realize that scenario probably wasn’t actually in the cards for this game. That’d just be cruel.

That and I’d be separated from Sister Daisy.

This is what terrified me too! I figured, if anyone was likely to change alignments it would be a 3P. I was so afraid of being lynched or killed and coming back bad when I had been playing civ so hard for the whole game.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:48 pm LONG LIVE THE BROTHERHOOD

It was so much fun being on an Indy team with you. I picked you basically because you were saying literally the same things as me during Day 1, even though our suspicions were different. Who knew it would last that long?

Wilgy's flip reinvigorated me. I was a little disengaged when we got sent into Pikachu, mostly because I didn't have time to read the whole thread before our arrival and I didn't understand what was going on.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:33 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:28 pm were the Strex on one tribe to begin with on purpose or was that a weird coincidence

One of the most interesting things to me was how hard it was to get people to believe the word 'random'.

The first post literally said they were randomised.

So yes, all the Strex ended up on one tribe. Bad luck, but I also never expected LoRab to sit on the button for as long as she did, even though she didn't know what it did.

This is historically how it happens. The button's first appearance was in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy hosted by myself and Merlin. aapje had the button originally I believe and he held it FOREVER. We never anticipated that. We figured who can resist pushing a big red button with unknown result? appje ended up gifting it to G-Man late in the game. G-Man pushed it fairly soon after he got it and by then we were nearly to end game, we were like oh shit the players are going to be so pissed when all the role get randomized fresh...

Moral of the story: never think that you can anticipate how your players will respond because you just never know.

[mention]S~V~S[/mention] I'm sorry I was beating a dead horse with you but I couldn't honestly figure out what you felt about Speedchuck and after we figured out what your role did, I felt like I needed to know in order to sort what I believed about your alignment. I had a feeling that you were trying to avoid getting in trouble with Golden's strict role claiming interpretations. I got a stern talking to at one point for something that wasn't actually even a role claim at all, but could be interpreted as such. I hadn't even meant it that way, lol. But it was me trying to push conversation in a direction that we hoped would help make people back off Sloonei. So what can you do? Anyway, sorry if I was driving you crazy, but I had a reason, I swear!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:57 pm If Boomslang is bad and the game isn't over, lynch DDL, the evil independent who finds it necessary to thin the herd.

Agreed on this one.

I am quite enjoying the run of duck jokes that have been happening here.

[VOTE: Boomslang] aubergine

Absence of kill really clinches it

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:09 am What makes you say there's a recruit?

You can answer after you rest.

That was my exact thought when I read that.

Since there were four Strex, I believe there is likely to be a 4th Even, unless LC used his ability on someone and their death reveal was false. I don't see any reason to believe that though. Even so, we lynch Kyle and we will know for sure if we have another out there or not.

I personally think the kill of DDL by the Evens makes me less inclined to suspect him. Was he under suspicion at that time?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:57 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:42 pm No, Kyle voted for Boomslang. I want to know if he did so after sprityo's penalty votes were announced. If so he knew Boomslang would still be safe even wth hs vote. So t does nothng to convnce me that they might not be teammates.

Yes I know who he voted for. I said that no one voted for anyone after Golden announced sprits penalty votes except Niju. So if no one voted except Niju that would mean Kyle voted before the penalty was announced.

I apologize, I mistook what you said because of the way it was phrased.

No, Kyle voted for Boomslang. I want to know if he did so after sprityo's penalty votes were announced. If so he knew Boomslang would still be safe even wth hs vote. So t does nothng to convnce me that they might not be teammates.

regardng Kyle's vote for Boomslang. Did it come before Golden announced Sprityo had extra votes for crossing the info dump line?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:12 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:09 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:09 pm Didn’t Golden say that we would be told when a team was eliminated? Or was that just when the game is over?

If the former...we...uh....have 5 Strex members.

*at least

He heavily implied we would not find out if a team is eliminated.

Oh you’re correct, he did imply that. Good call.

If Kyle is the lynch switcher (I don’t know who else would have done it) I would believe him to have an innate ability or at least very quick reflexes to PM golden, since Sloonei and I voted like 30 seconds before the EoD.

Either way, I’m down for lynching him tomorrow.


Now to see if there is a kill tonight..

I doubt Kyle had a lynch switch, I think he has a teammate with one or else a civ who really believed INH was bad did this.

Was DDL eliminated as a possible Even? I can't remember. But his reaction to Kyle's survival pinged me a bit.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:02 pm wait do you guys read my posts and think "cool it's my good friend ky.... le mii"

Ky-lem-ii
At least that is how I hear it in my head, lol.

For example: I [VOTE: Ky-lem-ii] aubergine

It has nothing to do with how Kyle may or may not have used his role. I am not swayed by a role name that looks civ. It is akin to a host providing a false role claim. I still believe that Kyle is an Even.

I hate that your next go to is me, because you are wrong. But it is what it is.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:22 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:17 pm The only way Epi could be the Even we are looking for is if mafia could cross tribe kill. Which we don't know if that is the case or not.

not necessarily.

There would still be a partner on Bidoof 1.0.

His name is Boomslang.

Fair enough. And it could also be that Boomslang was an Even, killed you and you went from 3P (which I believe your role implies) to Even. But am more inclined to go with the simpler solution at the moment. Kyle.

The only way Epi could be the Even we are looking for is if mafia could cross tribe kill. Which we don't know if that is the case or not.

I do not regret my vote on Kyle. I would place a vote on him again to take his second life. Does that tell you what my opinion is on Kyle's first life alignment?

How? I am included in this extremely small pool of PoE.

I want to catch an Even and see if they game ends. How does this not make logical sense?

I'm with DDL on this one. Don't get caught up in paranoia Quin, SVS is civ for sure. There are certain things she has done over the course of the game that I think point to this. And her behavior recently (though I disagree with her decisions) read like civ SVS to me totally. Let's not pull a Sloonei type lynch again.

Current thoughts: I still struggle to hear Kyle's voice when I read his posts. I've been trying to figure out what that means exactly and I think that I'm just not reading his posts as genuine. And I think this is something I feel more on a gut level. I don't have a god reason for it. I definitely did not like some of his posts after yesterday's lynch but it could be partially due to my frustration over the day's result.

Scotty is the opposite, I look at a lot of things like his first role and things he has said and I think he makes more logical sense to me than Kyle. Most recently that he seems to be trying to keep the field open rather than trying to pursue the Even PoE. Is he afraid the net is closing on him? Despite this, my gut is saying Kyle over Scotty. I'm not sure I understand why exactly.

Short of hard and fast proof of someone else my vote will go to one of these two today.

Dom, why would you chase down another avenue with far less solid leads? I have no desire for this. It gives baddies a place to hide or a way to avoid a lynch. Additionally, we don't know for sure if there are three or four baddies on each team, we could be chasing phantoms. We will know more if we lynch an Even and see if the game ends or goes on. It is the most logical course of action here to follow our best lead to try and lynch an Even.

I'm tossing my vote on Kyle for now, but could be persuaded to switch to Scotty possibly.

[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

Kyle, I am increasingly ready to lynch you. Your arguments make no logical sense to me. Why would Sloonei include himself in considering who his personal PoE pool has been limited to? That was what Sloonei was doing, not posturing, he was the playing the game. Neither Civ nor mafia in their right mind would ever include themselves as possibly being a contender in their own personal PoE pool of suspects.

Just waiting the night out. And I've said all I think I need to say right now.

respectfully dsagree wth you Ep but you stll won't get my vote because 'm feelng pretty cv about you.

It's Kyle's current discord name, I couldn't get my K to work and I thought it might be clearer to him that I was talking to him.

follow three not four... I can count

Let's say Sea Salt that you can only vote for one of the followng four Me Epi or Scotty. Who is it going to be? Because feel confdent that one of us s an Even and am not afrad of beng part of a four PoE pool because I know t's not me. I'd rather put my ass on the lne and get us movng n the rght direction than let the tinfoil lead us off trac. So who is it in your opinion yle?

SVS did I tae myself out of the group? No, I did not. Focus on this group and 'm certan we will get an Even.

Look guys we know that there is an Even among the group left from pikachu 2.0. That at this point should narrow your list down to Epi, me, Kyle and Scotty. You are going to get a badde out of one the four of us. Please don't fuck around outside of this group. Let's lynch an Even and see if the game continues and reevaluate from there. This is why I voted Kyle. I could vote Kyle or Scotty again tomorrow. I won't be putting my vote anywhere other than one of those two.

Sorry I couldn't stop the lynch train Sloonster.

Ugh.

Seriously this is the wrong lynch.

SVS you did not say you thought we were trying to save Sloonei. You said we came in and tried to start a lynch train on cbob. So tell me, why would we do that if we were baddie teammates together?

Please don't do this guys!

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:42 pm I'm not tinfoiling.

And It was really kinda funny, Boomslang at 5:01, "Bob", then you at 5:02, "Bob". I never said I thought you were on a team with Sloonei.

And as I have said all game long, we are all working on supposition, we don't actually *know* anything. In light of roles like Nutellas and LC's, we can't even be 100% on flips. And I strongly dislike people discounting thread work becasue it does not fit a mechanics construct that is only hypothetical. One of the games I hosted, Dogma, is a game that I know to have been one of Goldens faves (and that Juliets co hosted). It included an entire dead team the rest of the thread knew nothing about, it include merged bad teams, it included a shitton of chaos. Golden likes the mystery, not the predictability.

So if I think someone is bad, I don't appreciate it being blown off becasue it doesn't fit someone elses hypothetical construct. I will take the constructinto account, but it won't trump threadwork in this mechanics scenario.

Why on god's green earth if were on a team wth Boomslang would we try to save Sloone unless he was on our team. You absolutely are tinfoiling right now.

Blame Alex for the typos. He dumped coffee on my laptop. Now the k and the i only work sometimes. And other times I wll press it and press it and get nothng.

Oh so how many teammates do you think are on a team now SVS? You are tnfoling hard right now and it s super frustrating to watch. cbob's sudden latching onto Sloonei looked questionable to me since he literally has sad nothing about hm before today. But as looed bac over the content of his ISO I felt like it was more in keeping with his overall behavior.

Forgve the typos my eyboard isn't working properly

SVS he sn't controlling the narratve he s pontng out that you are tnfolng. In order for your theory to be true it would mena that are fve members of the Evens. Ths s tnfoil please please pull back from this. We have a good hold on the game but we can easily throw ths away f we gve n to tnfoil.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:12 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:51 pmI don't understand why you would suspect Sloonei for giving you a surface read of civ for me, but not suspect me?

what I said about sloonei had basically nothing to do with you. my point was that Sloonei's order of operations for the process of elimination on the whole pika2.0 thing was potentially self-serving and shouldn't qualify as a reason to trust him.

him putting you high up on the list for reasons that he also applied to scotty, who was low on his list doesn't look good to me.

your being good or bad isn't particularly relevant to Sloonei's treatment of you and others in regards to the PoE. the only way Sloonei pulling you away from the fire looks bad for both you and him is if you're both evens, which seems unlikely and also isn't the point that I'm arguing.

I wasn't actually talking to you, sorry. I was really directing it at cbob mainly and kind of towards SVS as well.

I don't understand why you would suspect Sloonei for giving you a surface read of civ for me, but not suspect me?

I'm voting Kyle. PoE supports either him or Scotty, and I trust Sloonei.

[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

I don't take much about yesterday into account, we were forced into very few options none which interested me much at the time.

Mm reading his ISO though... cbob strikes me as knee jerk reaction player. This might be why...

Mehhh.

I'm back to Scotty and Kyle I think, but I really don't want to see a Sloonei lynch, I believe it to be a mistake.

There had to be an Even in Cerberus 1.0 because that's how LC was caught.

This is an interesting post to note. If I am wrong and there are four Strex...

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:11 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:45 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:25 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:42 pm [VOTE: Lorab] aubergine

What do you think of the delay in pushing the button?

I don't care about it.

What do you think about Lorab?

No reason to townread her, but I need to go check out the context you mentioned to see what I think. I also think I'd rather lynch into Sloonei/Kyle/Scotty today.

And yeah reading over his ISO I see no mention of Sloonei as in any way suspicious before today.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:05 pm I wasn't comparing them; I was using Dom as an example.

Yes as an example you compared how Dom was behaving to how Sloonei was behaving. You literally said Dom is low activity but he isn't constantly apologizing for low activity. But Dom is playing his normal game. Why would he apologize for that? Sloonei on the other hand, while more engaged than the average player, he is not playing to the same standard as he normally would.

As far as cbob, I am considering it based on his sudden interest in what appears to be an easy bandwagon to jump on because it's the big topic at the moment. I'm ISOing now.

I kind got detached from the game a bit in the last lynch because i didn't fee strongly about any of them, and now I am just getting back in here fully. So... I'm surprised by the flack Sloonei is catching. It's pretty ridiculous imo. Sloonei and Epi are my strongest town reads and Sloonei has been there since probably Day 2, he is looking pretty civ.

SVS, comparing Dom to Sloonei is like comparing apples to oranges. Dom is lower activity in almost every game he plays. Not that he doesn't contribute, but he doesn't post as much as Sloonei normally does. Why would Dom apologize for playing the way he always plays? Sloonei is someone who plays like Jay and dunya, they do a lot of legwork in the thread, analyzing and ISOing like crazy. Did you ever think that perhaps his apologizing constantly for being less engaged is because he feels like he is failing to live up to his own expectations for himself? Because that is how I've read them. Look, I've mislynched Sloonei before in the past, that is usually how I learn to read someone better, by being VERY wrong about them. I'm not interested in doing it again. Just not seeing Sloonei as bad and I would definitely oppose his lynch today.

Also I'm not liking the opportunistic look of cbob jumping on sloonei either. I need to ISO him to see if this is a new development.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:49 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:42 pm I'm really sorry abotu my inactivity this week guys. I'm having an insane week and I rewarded myself by going to my friend's house and playing with their puppy.

I have a 12 hour conference to attend tomorrow.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:43 pm The downside with lynching Boomslang is that we could be creating more mafia by nature of the setup.

Serious question: let's say there's people with two lives left, but no mafia roles. Do you think the game ends?

Asked this already. It does.

Ohhh, clearly I missed you asking this. But I am very glad for that answer.

Uh not sure how that happened, but the part where I say "up until his death I trusted him" refers to Quin, not Blooper.

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:42 pm Serious question: let's say there's people with two lives left, but no mafia roles. Do you think the game ends?

I've been wondering that myself. I hope the answer is yes it would end, because if you were in a role playing hard to win for the team you were aligned with, and the game didn't end because of you still being in your first life, which would basically force you to lose after you had worked hard for the win con your first life needed... THAT would be a bastard role.

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:42 pm Spacedaisy, S~V~S, Dragon D. Luffy

weird list tbh

I was taking a more practical approach to the lynch. though I have at times suspected Boomslang, I have recently begun to feel like I don't find him so suspicious. It was probably just the vastly different viewpoints that he and I were taking early in the game I think. cbob, I don't know. I will do an ISO on him, but I haven't felt particularly pinged by anything there, we'll see how I feel today after I do an ISO. Blooper is a no go for me, and up until his death I trusted him. I haven't seen anything to change that opinion. That left sprityo who had claimed a bastard role. And I can see what he meant since he could possibly redirect a civ's ability, thereby confusing their results. Though I wouldn't necessarily call it a bastard role. I apologize if I made your end unfun for you Sprityo, you are a cool dude and have played hard the majority of the game. I kind of feel like Epi though, I don't think it was the worst possible result.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:24 pm Well I guess I picked the wrong time to argue a penalty. Whatever thanks for having me guys. Sorry I’m a fuckup

See you cats in the Middle East

Be safe over there Sprityo, we're kind of fond you here.

Ah! I see why I gave you that impression. No, it was directed at the fact he seemed to think me questioning what he said was a sign of me making an accusation against him. I don't suspect him. I don't trust him either.

I have floated that a couple times, but I don't currently feel an overwhelming suspicion of Boomslang.

[mention]S~V~S[/mention] I neither trust nor suspect sprityo atm. I must have given you the wrong impression, sorry.

I've been quieter because I feel less comfortable with the options on this poll sadly. It's been interesting to watch it develop though.

I would say right now I feel most comfortable with the reasoning DDL presented. If sprityo is telling the truth and he has a bastard role, then it likely will be to our benefit to eliminate it from the game. And if he is lying then we have probably caught a baddie.

I'm going to [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine because I don't feel convinced any of these candidates are the person we are looking for. As you can probably tell, I'm still holding out a belief that we only had three on each team and we are now down to one. Everyone keeps talking about the mechanics and how with two lives it makes more sense to have more baddies, but it doesn't really. We will have the maximum number in our second lives. And at any given point in the game we will never have more civs than what we started with. The numbers do not support a good balance if you give us two teams of 4 baddies each. That is 8 baddies in total. And I am fairly confident that there is at least one of two 3p roles too, judging from Scotty's first role description. So that would be what, 10/11 civs vs. 8 mafia vs. 1/2 3P? In light of this I'm optimistic we only have one Even left.

But if I am wrong and we have four per team, we will figure it out eventually. And I would say sprityo is probably the best vote. But really as long as we don't lynch Blooper I am ok with any other result of this lynch.

[mention]sprityo[/mention] I don't suspect you, what you thought Golden said is more what is usual in a game so I can understand defaulting to that. But unfortunately it is not what he said. Easy enough mistake. Best way to determine our situation now is to lynch an Even and we will know for sure.