The Syndicate

Wisp wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:48 am wait no I am staying, nvm
[VOTE: Sabie] aubergine

fuck this site

Guess sabie has a chance to prove her role after all.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:46 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:46 am How about you leave the vote as it is, you can Use your 3x and chop sabie and we will know if your claim is true.

it's a night action

You choose to use your 3x the night before you vote. I see...

Hm

Wisp wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:46 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:45 am LET IT RAND * assuming sabie is lying which could be the case

Why would u say this if you are town...

See what I’m saying? He says stuff that just leaves a Wolf impression, but the soft evidence is in his favor. Meh.

How about you leave the vote as it is, you can Use your 3x and chop sabie and we will know if your claim is true.

I’m talking about this. You say set up a tie and we will see if she is a tie breaker.

But you have a three x vote, you could use it and it would look like a tie but it’s not. There is too much opportunity for vote manipulation for this to work.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:39 am

Wisp wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:38 am hmm a tie could prove Sabie's ability?

just get a tie on Sabie *shrug*

But you claim a three time shot, we have no way of knowing if you or her mess with the vote.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:38 am Spacedaisy, don't you speak TonyStarkPrimese?

Are you two friends?

I barely speak English

We are just caught in linki

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:35 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:34 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:32 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:31 am people are voting for me for the very suspicious reason of "he was only copped as town once". C'mon, we have like three people who haven't been copped at all.

Tony voters should respond to this.

Puts on JJJ voice

The things he says sound so bad.

Yeah I had a town check.

I also have a flawed check, it’s not foolproof.

It’s in his favor but it’s not hard evidence since someone could have messed with my results especially since I claimed.

what the hecka I am the epitome of purity
also you failed to vote for jay

I did before you said this but I engaged in more conversation before I actually moved my vote.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:33 am jay is probably worse than sabie, no?
this is not what I said earlier today

I don’t know what this means.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:32 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:31 am people are voting for me for the very suspicious reason of "he was only copped as town once". C'mon, we have like three people who haven't been copped at all.

Tony voters should respond to this.

Puts on JJJ voice

The things he says sound so bad.

Yeah I had a town check.

I also have a flawed check, it’s not foolproof.

It’s in his favor but it’s not hard evidence since someone could have messed with my results especially since I claimed.

Alright, I’m moving to Jay.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Yeah during the night. But with wisp claiming now to have no lore ability I’m probably about to die tonight.

I’m not arguing his role makes sense or not.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:23 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:22 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:06 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:02 am Ugh, but I’m back to feeling like the claim he made doesn’t make sense for a wolf.

It's a fine fake claim.

A townie whose vote could be controlled at any time by the wolves? Wouldn’t that make him someone we would need to eliminate?

My argument is that he's lying about that.

My point is not that it is or is not true, it’s why would a Wolf choose that lie? It wouldn’t keep him safe all game. However, he has adjusted by saying he can choose to not obey and die as a consequence.

Putting a vote on Tony atm, but i am not sure I’m staying there.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:06 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:02 am Ugh, but I’m back to feeling like the claim he made doesn’t make sense for a wolf.

It's a fine fake claim.

A townie whose vote could be controlled at any time by the wolves? Wouldn’t that make him someone we would need to eliminate?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:00 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:59 pm I’ve hit the point where I have some concerns about Jay. It’s not that he’s done something wrong, it’s that I don’t have anything solid to say he is definitely civ though.

I've seen jay do the super townie schtick as a wolf before, in GOC this year. My suspicions are as of yet not completely alleviated, but his effort in this game is outstanding and I think most of his D2/D3 progressions seem in earnest.

How do you feel his claim jives if he’s bad?

Ugh, but I’m back to feeling like the claim he made doesn’t make sense for a wolf.

I’ve hit the point where I have some concerns about Jay. It’s not that he’s done something wrong, it’s that I don’t have anything solid to say he is definitely civ though.

OHHHH. I was like I don’t remember that

Jay claimed Jack Ryan??

Wisp wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:54 pm If Nutella isn't like about his actions, then my check on epi, and Daisy's check on Nutella is correct

If she’s lying... we have a problem.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:07 pm I'm also hesitant to trust that Daisy's check was even on Tony. If the mafia have a redirector, how does that not get used on one of the checkers?

Look, I don’t even trust my own checks at this point. The forgetting part is what gets me as well. However I did believe his initial claim, also he did say it was conditional at the start, AND he questioned why I checked him if he claimed miller. I think that’s in his favor.

Wisp wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:48 am or Daisy made this whole shit up for shit and giggles, which I still dont believe

I wish I was that creative

Yeah so why would he come back town?

I checked TSP, he came back town. Didn't he claim miller?

Awe shit that was a tough day...

I’m doubly sorry for not being here.

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:05 am sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
@Spacedaisy
do we just follow Alison's legacy and double check Epi here?
or are we splitting?

I’m so sorry guys!!! I’ve been so tired after work I fell asleep and slept through the deadline!

I don’t think we should stick together, because it won’t cause less confusion if one of her resirected. We might as well split up and cover more people and then the whole group can talk about what we believe about the results.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:59 pm hmm, nutella passed the test, meaning to say wisp wasn't redirected. why? was the redirection one-shot, and we're looking at something like a mafia JOAT? is it not a redirect, and in fact a more specific role that can fool spacedaisy but not wisp?

I think the thing to remember here is we don't know for sure that Wisp's role is impervious to fuckery. I still think there is a chance he gets the fake role cards. I mean with the level of screwing with reads already present in the game, I find it difficult to believe he has a role that can't ever get an incorrect result. There is the slim possibility I was redirected and he got a fake role card. But Occam's Razor makes me feel like it's probably a good assumption she is in fact town. This is why we really needed hally in there too so we could be sure whose actions went through properly.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:36 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:32 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:29 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:13 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:11 pm all I want is to wake up and read that the correct night actions were performed and nobody went rogue

I will absolutely NOT be investigating someone publicly announced. I know we have a role director and all three of us investigating the same person makes it so easy to fuck with our results. There is a very obvious way that can go wrong and I won't go down that path.

it is becausae of the role redirector that you have to investigate the same person, so we are guaranteed to get a result on the person you double investigate, since the role redirector can only redirect one person

I direct you to my actual action taken last night.

???

I;m saying I already get it, and I did check nutella

Back to homework, need to submit by midnight.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:29 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:13 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:11 pm all I want is to wake up and read that the correct night actions were performed and nobody went rogue

I will absolutely NOT be investigating someone publicly announced. I know we have a role director and all three of us investigating the same person makes it so easy to fuck with our results. There is a very obvious way that can go wrong and I won't go down that path.

it is becausae of the role redirector that you have to investigate the same person, so we are guaranteed to get a result on the person you double investigate, since the role redirector can only redirect one person

I direct you to my actual action taken last night.

hally, what went wrong?

So, I figured the last thing they would expect is for me to go ahead and check nutella anyway, though I really was dragging my feet on doing this and I'm still not convinced it was the right move. And don't count on me doing it again. Sorry if it wasn't. I got a town result. I'm a little worried about the fact hally couldn't use hers too apparently, because we needed that third to tell which one was accurate... What do you have Wisp?

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:11 pm all I want is to wake up and read that the correct night actions were performed and nobody went rogue

I will absolutely NOT be investigating someone publicly announced. I know we have a role director and all three of us investigating the same person makes it so easy to fuck with our results. There is a very obvious way that can go wrong and I won't go down that path.

I've got homework to do. So I'll send my pm and be back after flip.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:54 am Btw I have about 7 pages left to catch up on, but .... I’m a miller

Indeed.

Well, perhaps I'll have to move up to maybe Epi, TSP, sabie or possibly even Jay.

Interesting that a lot of our POE have claimed miller.

linki [mention]KitsuShel[/mention] well, you've got time to change my mind. I've only got you at a null because I acknowledge the vibe I felt before based on your miller claim could be inaccurate. Unless something drastic changes my mind.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:01 am I hard claim miller too by the way. Not a joke claim. I'm serious.

Yeah I won't be checking you

You've gone hard for Jay is the biggest that sticks out in my mind, I would have to go back and search for what else it was that gave me that impression, I am fairly certain that wasn't the only thing but honestly I've read a lot, so suppose there is the possibility of being mistaken. I just realized I forgot about the millers. I'll have to check and see who claimed it the first day again...

If Jay was bad, his role claim would be a terrible one. He knows we will have to get rid of him before End Game, unless we mercilessly kill all the mafia one after another right now. It's practically guaranteed death.

Here's a rainbow list for all you wondering:

hally
wisp

long con
jaggedjimmyjay

sabie
kitsushel

epignosis
nutella

Alison
TonyStarkPrime
ColinIsCool

this took me a bit to make. Here are a few comments:

nutella, TonyStarkPrime, Alison concern me because I feel like they have fought the POE by trying to keep us from coalescing through pushing off candidates at times. I give Nutella a little more leeway here because she just joined the game.

I could theoretically put Jay lower, because what we have seen is a lot of pro-town hunting, but it has yet to produce evidence that he can't be bad. That said, I lean town on him. But I am open.

sabie and kitsu are falling because I need more than what we have so far. I can only go so far on vibes.

Colin, feels kind of blendy to me. I could be off, because I've had to read the last like fifteen pages quickly in the last 24 hours, but nothing stands out about anything he has said so far, and that concerns me. Also, just POE has him in the lower group, so those two combined have me feeling like a wolf lean on him.

I will likely try to clear out some of the lower mid reads Maybe Epi, Alison, or Colin I suppose. But I won;t tell you who exactly, sorry.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:03 pm It's striking that I have nothing at this point to tell me that Epignosis is a civilian. I could have given vague tone credit for the earlier portion of the game, but that hasn't held.

I agree with this assessment. i am becoming more and more wary of Epi. Not because of his lack of involvement. I know he has other more important priorities than mafia. But when he is here, I don't feel like he is really here even then, if that makes sense. It's why I asked him for his reads.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:37 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:35 pm The only people that can't be mafia are those that are mechanically cleared. I believe at this moment we have Long Con, Spacedaisy, and Wisp in this category, and that's it. Anybody else/anybody who shouldn't be included?

I don't view Long Con or Spacedaisy as mechanically cleared. I view Hally and Wisp as mechanically cleared unless you put them together as mafia. I think all four are civilians anyway, and only have a sliver of doubt about LC.

This is fact. I believe LC is good, but truthfully Wisp might be given the fake claim role card rather than their real one, we have no way of knowing that for sure. I do think that LC is good though, so I'm inclined to take him out of POE. I could possibly be fake claiming, the problem with that is it doesn't do me any good as wolf. if I don't die within the next couple nights there is a good chance my claim gets doubted and I die anyway.

I fully trust Wisp and hally atm.

Regarding my peek. I am not going to say who I am peeking tonight, then it makes it difficult for the baddies to know if they should redirect me to someone good or bad. I will likely die tonight anyway because if there is a protector out there you should definitely protect Wisp. I might announce like right before deadline who I peek, I dunno. But I don't want to make the baddies job any easier for them...

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:26 am Subtlety is not my middle name!
but u also could have not forced me to completely out, since LC was just 3p in your check anyways? its not like that was our main priority.

i wasn't blaming you. I didn't catch on at first you were claiming but after my initial caution against town clearing him it became clear and by then hally was on me thinking i was lying so I had to lay my cards on the table. I didn't intend to force you to out your role.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:20 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:18 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:14 am @JaggedJimmyJay I didn't understand why you felt a townie spark from daisy so early on, I didn't really

It's difficult to qualify beyond that spiritual level of feeling the right way when I read her posts. She struck me as earnest and genuine in a way that she has tended to strike me when I have correctly viewed her as a civilian in the past.

Is there a reason you think she'd have to bother with all that claiming stuff at the start of Day 2 as a mafioso?

i probably need to reread it. had she seen wisp's claim of town!lc or did she post her 3p result unprompted

I saw Wisp's apparent and sudden determination that LC was good, directly after I had a 3p read on LC. Which made me feel it was necessary at that point to try and temper things, because I knew something was wrong with one of our reads. As things progressed in the discussion it required me claiming, which i had no intention to do until i thought I might have a solid scum read. But here we are, with two outed cops and no red checks yet.

Oy actually... Hally, Wisp and LC have all voted elsewhere.... and I trust them the most atm.

I’m not ready to vote Jay at this point.

I’m going to follow Hally and Wisp instead.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

I’m really sorry guys. I was out sick from work, yesterday was my first day back after like ten days. So I was so tired by the time I got home I didn’t have the energy to do much beyond read. Today I woke up with a crazy headache I haven’t been able to shake. I’ve been keeping up until today so I’ve got like four pages left to catch up on. I see the majority are voting Pawn. I get the basic POE reasoning. Also I trust the town core atm. So I’m putting my vote there as well.

[VOTE: Pawn] aubergine

Now to catch up.

I’m back to work today so I won’t be able to post much until this evening