The Syndicate

So I just went and read back over the lynch of LC so I could better understand what happened. And considering how it all went down and the question now about Ketterman, I would be more inclined to think he was drawing attention from someone who might be Tyler. Why would an unrecruited civ react over the top like you guys are talking about? So my question is, who might he have been drawing attention from?

thellama73 wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:

"Practically confirmed civ," huh Keterman?
True, but it tells me a heck of a lot about Keterman now.

Also, llama, do you feel any different about your theory now? Or are your thoughts still the same?
My thoughts are still the same, and I think the wave of civilian death confirms my views and the important distinction between "quiet players" and "people not attracting suspicion."

The recruits with BTSC made sure to show up and post. Spacedaisy is an obvious example. She had barely posted at all,her head was on the chopping block, but she made it in to meet the challenge just in time. Could she have been motivated by her BTSC partners telling her to post? I think so.

The only thing that weakens my theory is that we now know at least one of the police was recruited, which means that Tyler would be likely to get the rest as quickly as possible, regardless of their posting style.

You are wrong. I was motivated by not wanting to disappoint Alex.

bea wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Also, ugh. I al so far behind I was thinking we were still choosing two fighters. We are now in the lynch. I need to vote like now too. I am going to random a vote because I am obviously too out of the loop to adequately choose...

Kyle it is. *votes Kyle*
And - ok - I hate to do this to you - as I did read about your losing your staff and I KNOW what a week and such you've had because all of us know that you are newly engaged to our host and he is in the process of moving.

But - and this has gone the same for me and BDH and I'm sure Elo/Epi have felt it and I am sure LC/BR feel it all the time. You can't have it both ways.

You lived with the host.

You KNOW you had extended time. Lots of extended time. We should have completed a whole cycle by now.

You KNOW you missed LOTS. Like LOTS. Why when you were playing catch up - wouldn't you realize you were *that* far behind? Why wouldn't you look at the most recent stuff first - at the least, to know you were in a lynch phase? It's right there - in bold red at the top of the forum.

Put yourself in my shoes for just a minute. You come out when your name is called for being gone in the game. You spend LOTS of your catch up time defending someone you know IRL on something that has *ages* past EXCEPT for the fact that I brought up the point that Leo has also been missing this very long cycle and I was MORE than curious about her reaction to svs dropping her case then her OMGUS vote.

Leam has not been around during this very long day/night cycle too when she said she'd have time after her mom left during the weekend. It's now Wed morning. And the vote is closing and no Leam. No reaction. No nothing. But you found the time to defend her. Not catch up on the most recent info, but to look at old stuff and defend her.

Unless MR says something really convincing in linki - I'm voting Daisy.

LC - if you're looking for a place to truncate vote posts - anything above - I'm ok with - anything below and I will srrsly think you are baddie mcbadderson.

I DO NOT WANT OR EXPECT ANYONE ELSE TO VOTE THE SAME WAY. IN FACT I WILL LOOK ACTIVELY AGAINST PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW MY VOTE.

But Daisy - you are too good of a player to be doing these sorts of things. If the tables were turned your flairs would be up. I'm voting you because I'm putting you on notice. I *know* being busy. And I *know* wanting to help your love. But if you are too busy to play, replace. Watch the game on the sidelines with your love. (that's great fun btw.) I truely love you girl. I can't believe how much it actually hurts me to vote this way. But today, I feel it's the best placement of my vote. Step up sista.

Yes did live with the host. And yes I knew I had extended time. And yes I should have completed it with no problem. But put yourself in my shoes. I just got engaged and my fiancé is moving across the country and I a, staying here for the time being. Add in the fact I have zero second shift staff which means I am working the first shift, leaving for a couple hours and then coming back to help close out the second shift. What little free time I had I was spending with Alex. I refuse to make an apology for that. I would do it again the same way because my real life will always come before mafia.

As far as why I didn't do the recent stuff first, because I a, tired and didn't think it through well. All I was thinking was that Alex and I just had a conversation in which he told me that he wasn't going to be upset with me if I didn't make my required twelve posts in time. If I died, I died. It's just a game. But I really didn't want to die or go out of this game that way, so despite him saying that I decided to give it my best effort. My goal was not to die, which means I jumped in and was skimming through and commenting on anything that caught my eye. It was not well thought out because it was at midnight to one or one thirty and I had to be back up at four thirty. So yeah, I'm a better player than this, but it is what it is and if you all want to think I'm bad for it, feel free. I don't care, I play mafia for fun so it will never be my top priority. If that gets my lynched so be it.

Now I am taking my tired butt to bed so I can do it all over again.

Also, ugh. I al so far behind I was thinking we were still choosing two fighters. We are now in the lynch. I need to vote like now too. I am going to random a vote because I am obviously too out of the loop to adequately choose...

Kyle it is. *votes Kyle*

S~V~S wrote: I also had a theory about dying in a fight, but when i looked back, I saw I was wrong. My theory was that it had nothing to do with who the dead person fought, it had to do with participating/not participating in the fight. I saw that Eloh did not post at all since before it was announced that she was a fighter. So I figured non participation was a no brainer for DP1 (DP2 where are you???), but when I went back, he HAD posted after his fight was announced, and I think that he did likely participate. So my theory lasted about 45 minutes. So I would like to hear other theories, too.

I think, knowing Alex, it is likely not going to be something clear we can figure out.i would be willing to bet there are various factors and he has some algorithm that determines the result. He has done that sort of thing before in some other game. I can't recall which one. I doubt it will be possible to say exactly what determines fights without having that algorithm.

Mister Rearranger wrote:Balls, I missed the 3 sentences stipulation of MP's post on the previous page. Reading-comprehension fail. :/

Probably best for me to fight anyways then. If I die here, it might save me the trouble of dying by the end of the day tomorrow. However, I'd like to at least try to survive.

This seems like as good a reason as any to vote for someone. If he does in the fight, we won't lose a participating player. I'll cast my vote for MR and Ketterman as well.

Bullzeye wrote:
Sorsha wrote: And I don't care.... I'll fight again. You or whoever else.
I don't think you should. I don't really think anyone who has already won a fight should be allowed the chance to become more powerful than the rest of us until everyone who has never won a fight gets to and we're all back at the same level. Letting people get ahead in level might be a bad idea, we could end up making Tyler and his recruits more powerful than the civs.

I have to agree with this reasoning. I don't know how heavily the skill levels factor into fight results, but I would personally rather not give another shot at becoming stronger to the same people over and over. Why would we possibly hand an advantage over to our opponents?

Ooh, I got eight done, wow did not seem like that many, well I only get three hours of sleep now so I am going to try to sleep and post three more tomorrow.

I will leave it by saying this. I think the analysis of DH as a recruit is interesting but it unfortunately is not telling enough. As Canuck pointed out, he is a well known player to both old and new crowds. Plus he is a pretty well known player as at as his experience and ability. I'd pick someone who was as good as him any day, so I don't think his recruitment is a huge surprise and doesn't indicate a suspect to my mind. I'll revisit more in the thread tomorrow morning. Goodnight all

Mister Rearranger wrote:^Glad to see you again as well, Russ!

See, I'm just of the opposite perspective. Eliminating BTSC between a baddie team essentially makes them all SKs for the purposes of in-thread behavior. Personally, I tend to have a better track record with suspecting solo baddies; however, I can never convince enough other players to believe me lol

I like SVS's notion of a baddie leader that simply PMs anonymous instructions to his cronies, regardless of if it's true or not. Just sounds like it'd be a cool role and make for an entertaining game.

I think I skipped one thing in my reading catch up. Why are we is cussing how the baddies might utilize BTSC? Why would it be anyway other than the norm for these games, I mean I have only ever seen chat rooms for the most part. Or is this a question about how/if BTSC works/exists for the recruits and Tyler? It would seem pretty disabling to the baddies to not allow them BTSC if you ask me. I can't see Alex crippling a team this way...

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Day 7: Dom's Demise

Dom has been lynched. He was an unrecruited Civilian.

Canucklehead has won the fight. Elohcin has been killed in the fight!!!! She was an unrecruited Civilian.

It is now Night 7. You have 24 hours to send in your PMs and vote on tomorrow's new fighters.

Ok does anyone else think it's weird Canuck pushed so hard to fight someone and then her opponent ended up dead?

she must have quite the skill level there. And I would assume she knew it going in. Did she replace someone?

Boomslang wrote:Throwing my vote at Leamiteo to discourage revenge voting. Seems like an unnecessarily aggressive action.

Lol this statement makes me giggle because she is the farthest thing from an aggressive person that I know of. I took her to be saying not that she was revenge voting but that SVS clinging to this theory on her was starting to make lea suspect her. Plus, I personally find it hard not to suspect someone who is wrongfully accusing me, so I could easily see this being the case here.

S~V~S wrote: the fact that Llama keeps saying "trust the police", when this has been previously discussed, kinda paranoids me out. And the fact that he called Unfurls thoughts "nonsense" feels like he's trying to discount her opinions, which have been prolific and insightful. I don't like it, tbh. Does not mean he is bad. But it does not make me feel good about him.

This is a very interesting point about llama. I didn't pick up on him saying that about the cops, but it does seem strange that as thoughtful a player as llama has not considered the possibility of cops being compromised. But he would not be the first person who did not seem to consider it, I suppose. I just wouldn't expect it from him.

Keterman wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:Will be busy graduating tomorrow! Voting Vomps. Only someone who's been recruited would say they wouldn't mind being recruited.
Um...no? That's not true at all? What?

Perhaps not a sure thing but I suppose I can see how it might look like a clever move to subtly appear more civ. if one implies they would like to be recruited they are essentially saying they have not yet been recruited. Also, they would seem like an obvious choice for a check for the policemen, which in turn would seem too obvious and perhaps make them a safer bet or recruitment, because who old recruit someone who openly asked to be in thread? I feel like I am picking one of two glasses of wine right now... Lol

Canucklehead wrote: Re: who would want to recruit DH: I am very much of the opinion that DH was recruited precisely for his loudness/obnoxiousness (Love you, girl/wackyness, and my hunch is that Tyler was seeking these qualities because s/he is NOT naturally disposed towards that jokey/dominant gameplay. For example, I know for sure that if I were Tyler (and assuming I'd matured from my previous mafia policy of rewarding hilarity.....which I totally have NOT matured from, by the way ) my strategy would be to recruit a player who was sweet/nice, took the game seriously, was very involved in theories and suspicions, and was a fairly high-poster. I would do this because my style is usually to be bitchy/horrible, to never take anything seriously, very rarely contribute to the paranoia/suspicions/etc, and post only two or three times per day. To be quite honest, I would recruit Bea or unfurl as my first recruit because they are both the polar opposite of my playstyle (That's totally a compliment, chicas. No one wants to play like me )This is because I would want my teammates to be always at arm's length from me, and the best way I would have of doing that would be to eliminate even the subconscious connections that players could create between us due to similar playstyles/tones.

Long story short: I think we're looking for a Tyler who is fairly quiet/fairly serious/fairly thoughtful. I think further recruits will possibly be similar to DH in that they are experienced and confident, but perhaps a little more serious in tone.

I know many (most) of you will dismiss this theory as silly, and possibly even be upset by the fact that such a theory seems to punish prominent players just for being prominent.......but I really think that this dynamic (of attempting to guess how the recruiter is going to operate, who they would want to choose) is an inherent part of a recruitment focused game....so there! :P

I find this analysis kind of weird personally. If I were Tyler I would not be going to great lengths to recruit a certain kind of player. I think it is odd that you went into such detail to describe exactly what kind of player you would recruit and who they would be. Almost struck me like, hey see, it's not me because this is what I would do if I were Tyler, but obviously I'm not because I wouldn't have recruited DH. What? I think it is much more likely that discussion about who would be likely to recruit DH would be based pon association to him than anything so meta as all that.

juliets wrote:Lea, there is no bandwagon. At this point there is SVS saying she is suspicious of you and me saying there was a conversation with you and DH that I thought was odd and I will probably take a look at your posts. You sound more defensive than this amount of activity calls for. Is there something I'm missing?

I don't know if she is even still alive or not, or if nothing came of this, but I know Leamiteo pretty well and this reads more like frustration to me than defensiveness. I guess it helps to know the mannerisms of a person IRL and be able to read them through their written words. I have not at this time seen anything I found to be suspect from Leanna. But I could be wrong I suppose.

Ugh I have been so fail this past week or so. Basically, I got engaged, lost almost my entire second shift staff at my store, and then my fiancé moved across the country. Yep. It has been crazy and now I am working insane hours until they hire me some new people. Fun. And I see I have to make twelve on topic posts by eleven am tomorrow. Well crud.

I am like ten pages behind too.

Lets start with this... I just read the BR/LC thing and I don't personally consider it illegal BTSC. Mainly because I know what it is like being in a relationship with someone else who is playing the game with you. I confess I think there was once in a past game (can't remember which) I knew I could not get home in time to vote like I thought I would and Alex cast the vote on my behalf, in much the same way. He left it for me to explain so it essentially looked like a drive by vote.

I have been busy all day with engagement photos and birthday celebrations, so I am voting with the majority here and pitting hedge against boom

I feel that timmer's case against Vomps/Spaghetti is the most compelling so I am going to vote for Vomps.

So I was thinking of it like fighting would be considered being part of fight club, but it hit me today that each of those threads were fight so anyone in them, whether they fought or not were in a fight club. I don't think the fight participants thing holds water when I realized this. It was a blonde moment, what can I say? It is interesting to think Tyler could have recruited from the fight club he was in. That would make more sense to me.

I believe that Alex loves to create games that closely conform to their theme. Given that fact I think anyone who fights would be the pool of candidates for project mayhem members, not just the winners. Project Mayhem did funnel members from fight club, so it makes a lot of sense. I would guess that this will change in the new game format though, since there don't seem to be fights anymore there will be another way to recruit I'm sure.

DharmaHelper wrote:Man, I see in Fight Club Mafia the strongest and smartest players who've ever played. I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation missing votes, No-Uing; nubs with white collars. Mafia has us depending on BTSC and role powers, solving puzzles we hate so we can win prizes we don't need. We're the middle children of Mafia, man. No purpose or place. We have no WIFOM. No Linkitis. Our WIFOM's a spiritual WIFOM... our Linkitis is our lives. We've all been raised on the internet to believe that one day we'd all be civvies, and SK's, and Indies. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.

this was epic, just saying...

Sorsha wrote:I did this for my own notes but thought I'd share with all of you. These are the fights from each night, the * after the name denotes the winner.

Wilmington
Day 1 Spaghetti vs Boogs*
Day 2 Bullzeye vs Sorsha*
Day 3 LC vs llama*
Day 4 Bullzeye* vs Dom

Delaware City
Day 1 bwt* vs Aces
Day 2 DP vs unfurl* (DP died during the fight)
Day 3 inh* vs SVS
Day 4 Hedgeowl vs Nevinera*

New Castle
Day 1 DH* vs Kate
Day 2 BR* vs Keterman
Day 3 timmer* vs nijuukyugou
Day 4 bea* vs MR

Penns Grove
Day 1 daisy* vs timmer
Day 2 Spaghetti* vs FH
Day 3 johns* vs Russti
Day 4 Lea* vs vomps

I am also putting forth my crazy theory that the recruits are chosen from the winners each night. So night one boogs, bwt, DH or daisy would have been the choices that Tyler had for project Mayhem. Night 2 would be Sorsha, unfurl, BR or Spaghetti. Night three llama, inh, timmer or johns and night 4 bullz, nev, bea or lea.

And that is a theory I can completely see being accurate. I think it's our best shot at possibly finding recruits at the moment

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