The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:35 pm Bounce if you've been a civilian at LyLo and made the wrong vote.

Happened my first game here

sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:35 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:08 am i knew jack was bad with cbob's mislynch. killing audrey off sealed the deal for me. well played by all. was really nice to spectate, sometimes the good guys just don't win.
I literally never win ever. So I think I may disappear from mafia again for awhile. Like this just isnt the place for me.

I think I have 2 victories over the last 14 months, and I play regularly. It's not you, and it's especially not you this game. You've played a great game, and you were just in an awful position. I'd have voted Leetic as well, and I even said so in the dead chat

Thanks for the game Epi, and congrats to the Mafia.

Great game, Jack.

This is a tough one

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:41 pm Lol Nova. Why is your name in lavender?

I'm a mod now

It's for Speedchuck's 1 post Mafia to allow editing.

It's classified as a Town role in the op. Also this seals the deal,

"Can make things better
For your fellow man"

reywaS wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:44 pmlame

I think he did kill Sloon

Oh all right

What's the alignment here? Indie or Town?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:28 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:22 pm I'm really not feeling this lynch, and I hope I'm wrong lol
Why do you think its jack and rey?

Is there a "not" missing there before rey?

Hmm actually I cooled off on Jack after our interactions, my vote has just been parked there while rereading some stuff. I'm more leaning towards Leetic and possibly Bob. Haven't forgotten about you either lol.

I'm really not feeling this lynch, and I hope I'm wrong lol

I'll reread Reywas

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:41 pm [VOTE: Reywas] aubergine

I like my Bob case. But after back to back isos, I liked my Rey case better.

Plus, kinda late to start a train considering our recent activity levels and where the votes stand.

If I’m tinfoiling on Bob, I’m sure he’ll forgive me when we just win. If I’m not, we can continue this tomorrow.

Sounds like someone who isn't afraid for his life. Hmm who could that be? Perhaps the person doing all the killing

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:14 pm Rey

The Luna/Speed/Leetic scumteam in his first rainbow list is less of a good look considering he calls out 8 different wolf reads on D1 (Speed, Luna, Leet, Jay, Jack, Eloh, Sabie, Audrey). He also calls Luna and Speed town in his gth. Zero progression there. Makes the initial rainbow look like distancing.

Rey argues with Jay about Speed a bit. Concedes that Speed could be mafia but also tries to paint a picture of townSpeed and wolfJay. Doesn’t say anything at all about the Luna train. Appears to have been absent for the whole thing.

Day 2, he focuses on me and Sloonei and says he has no reason to suspect Speedchuck, which is not consistent with his eod1.

Votes Speedchuck, saying sorry and he wants to vote Sloonei. Doesn’t actually vote him. I’m not sure why townie Rey does this. Votes were 5 Speed (6 if his vote had gone through) to 2 Rey to 1 each on Leet and Sabie. Why not vote elsewhere if he didn’t suspect Speedchuck at all? This makes the most sense as distancing.

Rey can have my top suspect slot over Bob.

I've been running away from that rainbow list of his. Took it as just him messing around, not sure how I feel when it's being read to either give him town points or suspect him. It's like a plot device, mafia style lol.

I'm guessing in case there are some changes of minds, and he's still close to Speed. The further the better. Interesting though, that he didn't actually commit the vote.

What's your take on why would he kill sloonei?

I'll have to reread when I get a minute. I could vibe with a Bob lynch possibly

I'm all over the place in my head

But yeah outside of that, I like Leetic's effort.

I'd think they'd have chatted and introduced themselves a bit. It's also kind of too small of a thing to fake, so that's why I think it was genuine

Oh yeah, the age thing was one of good points in Audrey's favor for me

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:31 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:21 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:19 pm I had to switch to mobile so this isn’t going to be as pretty.

Leetic votes Luna and townreads Speed D1. He considers voting for me instead but ultimately stays on Luna, which is a good look.

D2, he reevaluates Speed and comes to the same conclusion I did, that Luna’s reaction to the Speedwagon point to Speed being mafia. He starts giving out townreads, too. It’s not good mafia strategy to bus on D1 and D2 and shrink the POE.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:51 pm tldr:

People who look better because of Luna's flip: Jack, nova, bob, JJJ

People who look worse: speedchuck, Reywas, sabie
He follows up this summary with ISOs of Sabie and Rey and concludes that they are both compatible with Luna and Speed. His iso of Sloonei also puts him as potential partners with Speed. His Speed iso puts him as scummier than Rey.

All in all, for Leet to be scum, he’d have to be bussing super hard and putting in a huge amount of effort and forgoing mislynches (Jack over Luna, possibly Rey over Speed). Plus the Sloonei kill makes no sense for him.

Imo, Leet is never mafia and idk why he’s on anyone’s poe outside of jokes about Rey’s first rainbow list.
He didn't stay on Luna. He voted her, interacted with her over a few posts and then switched to Reywas.
Okay so...I can see how isoing a player and searching for the mafia’s names might have some downsides...like not noticing vote switches.

Was Rey in danger of being lynched D1? I felt like it was Speed with me as counterwagon and then Luna case in and it became Jack/Speed/Luna three way tie for just a moment and then it was Luna by at least a 2 vote margin. (This is mostly off memory cause some people don’t call their votes. )

What I’m getting at is “Was voting Rey basically letting Luna or Speed get lynched without bussing for cred it trying to vote for the most likely mislynch (Jack)? Or was it potentially voting the most likely mislynch (Rey)?

Rey ended up with 4 votes, 1 behind Luna. He potentially could have been lynched, so I think it was kind of both. I got it more like "Interact with Luna to give off a decent reason why I'm not voting her, then vote Rey to give her a chance to live in case someone changes their mind (1 vote swing) as well as avoiding the conversation of who bussed her if she gets lynched with being the last vote and not having suspected her prior ".

I had trouble seeing the evolution of his thought on Luna with the vote -> small interaction (forced if you ask me) -> unvote.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:19 pm I had to switch to mobile so this isn’t going to be as pretty.

Leetic votes Luna and townreads Speed D1. He considers voting for me instead but ultimately stays on Luna, which is a good look.

D2, he reevaluates Speed and comes to the same conclusion I did, that Luna’s reaction to the Speedwagon point to Speed being mafia. He starts giving out townreads, too. It’s not good mafia strategy to bus on D1 and D2 and shrink the POE.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:51 pm tldr:

People who look better because of Luna's flip: Jack, nova, bob, JJJ

People who look worse: speedchuck, Reywas, sabie
He follows up this summary with ISOs of Sabie and Rey and concludes that they are both compatible with Luna and Speed. His iso of Sloonei also puts him as potential partners with Speed. His Speed iso puts him as scummier than Rey.

All in all, for Leet to be scum, he’d have to be bussing super hard and putting in a huge amount of effort and forgoing mislynches (Jack over Luna, possibly Rey over Speed). Plus the Sloonei kill makes no sense for him.

Imo, Leet is never mafia and idk why he’s on anyone’s poe outside of jokes about Rey’s first rainbow list.

He didn't stay on Luna. He voted her, interacted with her over a few posts and then switched to Reywas.

Why are you not asking me about not clearing Sabie?

I like your bob stuff though.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:12 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:08 pm I'm at a Jack/Leetic/Sabie PoE

Seriously? Why are you clearing Rey and Audrey?

Why are you not clearing Leetic and me?

I just don't see it being Audrey. Feels like she's being suspected more by default that anything she's done. I remember some interactions with Luna D1 or D0 that made them look not really incompatible.

Rey isn't really cleared, but I have you 3 over him and Bob on top of my head (his D2 behavior especially).

I think the last mafia is a deep wolf. I think it'd have been the sensible choice seeing the Mafia's fate during D2, and they went all in. Our interactions D1 are still at the back of my mind, it felt like you were guiding everyone to the luna/speedchuck connection. There was something off about how you saw it, and the lead up to Speedchuck's lynch. It really feels like an elaborated buss.

Leetic's really compatible with Luna, and it's something that I expended on D1 or N1 I think. You should reread his EoD1.

[VOTE: Jackofheats] aubergine f

I'm at a Jack/Leetic/Sabie PoE

I'm back.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:07 pm Without having time to catch up as yet I'm tossing a vote on leetic. Eloh train seems a decent one.

Why?

Oh already 5 votes on her, lol

Hmm I don't like Eloh's defense

This was a quick read

I'm back.

Hmm I think I'll be voting Sloonei as soon as the sun rises.

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:58 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:57 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:56 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:55 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:53 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:29 pm There’s a big part of me that wants to vote speedchuck for the sake of a terrible pun I’ve been sitting on all game, but I like the balance of the vote distribution right now and I don’t know if I’ll be around for the end of day.
Yeah, I don't like the looks of this post. It reads like "I'll stay in the reg wagon in case it takes off but create a plausible reason for me to switch to the speed wagon in case I need to make myself look good"
Or I just had a joke to make.
That's not the point. The point is, you joined the speed wagon at a very convenient time.
I disagree.
I mean, it was right before the phase end, and right when it was almost guaranteed speedchuck was going to be lynched, thus a low-risk time to bus.

That's actually the highest-risk time, especially in the context of this game. A mafia of 3 that lost a member on D1 and with another one starting the day with heavy heat, will usually distance itself the furthest possible. A necessary sacrifice to have a well hidden wolf inside the town core as their last hope. Or, defend heavily, trying to nip the suspicions in the bud by throwing and throwing some poo in another direction. Speedchuck's D2 play doesn't really scream option B.

I'm a sucker for it though

It isn't since it's riddled with wifom.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:10 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:08 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:04 am @leetic why are you clearing reywas?
Revealing the entire rest of the mafia team, even as a joke, just seems like something the mafia wouldn't do. speedchuck's targeting of him looks in his favor too. Plus, there were a few towny moments of him in my ISO. Overall, it's very unlikely he's scum.
When was the entire mafia team “revealed”?

Freudian slip

Good job

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:10 pm Consolidating votes on the speedwagon. I can’t fight this feeling anymore!

And yet I'm still afraid to let it flow.

Elohcin throwing her vote when there are 2 competing wagons

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:35 pm @AudreyTheTattletail
@Elohcin
@novaselinenever
@nutella
@sabie12

Where are your heads at? Who are you considering voting for?

I'm at looking at a Leetic/Speed/Jack/Reywas group for today. I've been missing for a while now so that hasn't helped, but I should present forward.

I'm putting my Sabie's suspicions on hold for a bit.

It's been a while. I'll start working on catching up

Speedchuck:

>Luna is good on gth
>Nova is bad on gth
>Votes Nova
>Follows Nova's vote on Luna

Nova:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:54 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:50 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:36 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:33 pmLeetic is too high
Tell me about your suspicion of him.
They stem from our butting heads about "defensiveness" and "information". I find his use of them very cheap, not unlike Luna and "opportunistic". I've been reading his posts and enjoying his efforts, however they haven't fully clicked with me. I haven't had that moment where I read a player's posts, understand their thoughts in and I go "that's a civilian right there". I get a certain calculating vibe from them.

I think his EoD posts reflects poorly with Luna's flip. Reads to me like he was guiding Luna through the thread and telling her "give me a reason to not vote you". His angle of Luna voting Jack to tie the vote is pretty weak, it's as if he didn't want to completely ignore the discussion around her and took an easy way in, and easy way out as not to be in the discussion of "who bussed Luna/which vote looks worse?".
I'll think over the second paragraph there. It warrants consideration. I'd also like to know what other non-leetic players think of this and of leetic in general.

Regarding the "information" bit, does Audrey's alignment have bearing for you on that front? He was resisting her lynch after all, and I think she looks good now. Does that mean something to you?

It does. If Audrey were to be bad, my point doesn't stand. The fatalistic tone of his post, and the its context (a mostly joke/half-serious proposal from bob out of the blue) isn't really akin to teammate defense.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:38 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:19 am Haha you guys trying to accuse me because I said hi its gonna be a good group? I didn't have any chatter because no one was on to chat with when I was here. My accusation is nova and Jay must be teammates trying to stir the pot together and get all the suspicions off of them.
Nevermind Jay and Nova. Seems like they are strong-arming everyone at the door with their check-in posts. It's simply a power show.

I've sent this post to the lab

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:36 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:33 pmLeetic is too high
Tell me about your suspicion of him.

They stem from our butting heads about "defensiveness" and "information". I find his use of them very cheap, not unlike Luna and "opportunistic". I've been reading his posts and enjoying his efforts, however they haven't fully clicked with me. I haven't had that moment where I read a player's posts, understand their thoughts in and I go "that's a civilian right there". I get a certain calculating vibe from them.

I think his EoD posts reflects poorly with Luna's flip. Reads to me like he was guiding Luna through the thread and telling her "give me a reason to not vote you". His angle of Luna voting Jack to tie the vote is pretty weak, it's as if he didn't want to completely ignore the discussion around her and took an easy way in, and easy way out as not to be in the discussion of "who bussed Luna/which vote looks worse?".

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:07 pm Based on interactions with Lunalee:

colonialbob
novaselinenever

AudreyTheTattleTail
nutella
leetic

speedchuck
Elohcin
Sloonei

Jackofhearts2005
reywaS
sabie12

Consider the bottom six a current POE.

Leetic is too high

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:31 pm The interactions of Lunalee and novaselinenever

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:38 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:19 am Haha you guys trying to accuse me because I said hi its gonna be a good group? I didn't have any chatter because no one was on to chat with when I was here. My accusation is nova and Jay must be teammates trying to stir the pot together and get all the suspicions off of them.
Nevermind Jay and Nova. Seems like they are strong-arming everyone at the door with their check-in posts. It's simply a power show.

Luna dismissed nova and I for our early attacks on the game thread. I actually don't think this reflects any particular way on nova. I can come up with equally compelling arguments either way.

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:23 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:05 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:04 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:03 pm I won't bother updating the 2/2 thing I was doing unless someone specifically requests it. I had no immediate plans other than squeezing reads out of people.
I'm lazy about mafia right now, and could really benefit from someone squeezing reads out of me.
Then you should provide them. I will squeeze.

Two people you trust and two people you don't trust: go.
Don't trust:
novaselinever, mostly for his "got one" response to sabie's post, and him playing Jay's overly-excited puppy dog on day 0.
colonialbob, suspects Jay for acting very town and getting the ball rolling, inserts himself into nutella and speed's dispute with a lot a almost "fake" sounding questions, and has an issue with Jay typing "rey" instead of "nova"

Trust:
JackofHearts2005, yes he has fun, but he's getting down to business quick.
sabie. From my (limited) experience with sabie, this looks like prime town-sabie content.

nova was a "don't trust" in her 2/2 reads. The yellow portion there is a pretty severe discrediting of nova's efforts, and it echoes speedchuck's assertion that nova was just buddying me around. I think that reflects well on him.

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:47 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:46 pm NOVASELINENENVER
COLONIALBOB
AUDREYTHETATTLETAIL
BAD
BAD
BAD

Bad GTH read. It's consistent and means little to me.

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:42 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:36 pm Okay, so my vote. I don't think I have even mentioned nova this game. I have had a bad gut read on him but haven't said anything since it isn't concrete. I like to have reasons to back up my feelings.

Wait! Why is nova voting for himself? He has been really strange this game. If he wants to vote for himself, he can get one from me too. Thank you for giving me a concrete reason to vote you, nova.

linki, with Jay. That is exactly what I thought. Glad to know I read you right And I would say you don't care abotu Chuck's alignment because you know it won't hurt civs that much to get a mislynch Day 1. Even when civs win, they usually have a misllynch Day1.

there is a lot more linki...I'll read it in a minute.
You know, I wanted to vote nova, but him voting for himself just sort of dumped water on any desire I had to vote for him. I still might do it anyways.

Who cares if he voted for himself? This looks like a mafioso who is timid about taking advantage of the goofy self-voting civilian.

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:17 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:12 pm *scribbles notes in classroom notebook about immediacy of wagon shift*
I believe nova began the shift, and it looks like he has "friends" on board with it.

When I made note of how quickly the wagon shifted from speedchuck to Luna, she blamed nova. She could have as easily blamed me, but I am a harder accusation to justify. "Friends" is a vague pile of whatever too, and I have a feeling there's at least one teammate among those "friends", whoever they are.

nova gives a perturbed expression in response to Luna calling him my puppy dog.

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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:41 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:40 pm JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
LUNALEE
Good
Good

nova gives her the good GTH read. Okay.

I'm disappointed in myself.

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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:53 pm I feel the weakest about my decisions on Audrey and Luna. They are both basically 50/50 to me.
I'm getting some tiny Megaman vibes from Luna tbh. The poo throw technique is somewhat similar.

I don't really know what this means. What did this mean, nova?

The way she goes about her suspicions. She throws poo to see what sticks and mess up her facts. She's quick to go back on them and plays ignorant. Also avoids interaction when she's prodded about substantiating vague stuff descriptions like "opportunistic" and "fake"

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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:47 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:29 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:20 pm Someone tell me why speedchuck is a civilian.
He's probably not civ, and we won't realize it until the end after he's steam-rolled town. No, I'm not still bitter.
Fearmongering

Halfway, kinda, sorta an accusation. Whatever.

Why are you so obsessed with me?

Late day nova compilation of Luna posts - "This is bad."

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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:04 pm [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:05 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:02 pm Actually Nova I wouldn't follow you on Leetic, I've never played with them before and would not lynch them D1 for that reason.
Change of plans. Luna it is.
He voted Luna and brought speedchuck with him.

Also brought Jack

~~~

I still think nova is fine.

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