The Syndicate

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:25 pm I believe Colin's claim
And I'm sorry for the complete mixup, I'm gonna have to keep backreading to figure out why I thought someone claimed a role thief

No need to apologize. You probably saw nutella speculating as much here?

risiinq- wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:29 pm ok so that means there's another 3p besides colllin?

I lol'd

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:29 pm
DeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:29 pm oh sick Colin did you get a hood with nut last night ?
Thought he said he got redirected to Chelsea

Correct.

The neighborhood is for days but I got to be in it with Chelsea during N2 because d2 was skipped. I'm currently in the same neighborhood.

Also, while we're on the subject, if anybody wants to tell me their role next day phase ... let a brother know

Anyway, [VOTE: sabi] aubergine total malarkey cooked up overnight in scumchat to make me look bad, sheesh

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:33 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:26 pm Can someone else read Mungbean's ISO and tell me I'm wrong for walking away thinking that something is extremely off about it?
requoting for visibility

Mungbean has seemed blendy.

DeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:35 pm - If Colin is telling truth, Nutella targetted Chelsea n1, meaning she chose to target a player who she lightly scum read for what I assume are town friendly actions; e.g. the heal we anticipate went on Nutella, any watchers who might watch Nutella etc. I can't see why Nut would do this. seems stupid for many reasons and creates confusion

What if she saw it less as giving away good night actions and bouncing off bad ones? Then it makes perfect sense why you would target someone you scumread.

*more as bouncing off bad ones

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:36 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:34 pm Anyway, [VOTE: sabi] aubergine total malarkey cooked up overnight in scumchat to make me look bad, sheesh
I veto this
I think Sabi is spewed clear by their Guillo push

This may be true, but I don't remember anything about who was pushing Guillotine when, so ...

DeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:40 pm
DeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:37 pm So to get to bottom:

What results did you get windy, and why do you think you were redirected? If you were redirected, then, so was Colin and he should have a hood.

If you weren't then ...bad.
@WindwardAway why do you think you were redirected?

Because I know that you targetted Nut. Colin is claiming too too

If you were redirected Colin should have a hood

If they dont they are just scum.

If the do...then you two are clear and I probs out some other ppl

Chelsea can confirm that we have a hood

DeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:46 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:44 pm
DeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:40 pm
DeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:37 pm So to get to bottom:

What results did you get windy, and why do you think you were redirected? If you were redirected, then, so was Colin and he should have a hood.

If you weren't then ...bad.
@WindwardAway why do you think you were redirected?

Because I know that you targetted Nut. Colin is claiming too too

If you were redirected Colin should have a hood

If they dont they are just scum.

If the do...then you two are clear and I probs out some other ppl
Chelsea can confirm that we have a hood
Did Chelsea tell you her role

No

Y'all act like you've never seen a godfather get bussed before ... just saying

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:48 pm Just kill Colin, a confirmed non town player

See I don't even totally think you're scum but this is exactly what wolves harp on when there's a ep they want to get rid of. "He's not even town" blah blah blah we know find a new slant

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:48 pm In nut's case she targeted a specific player, which we know was Chelsea at least on N1, and if Colin didn't get a new hood on N2 then it mightve just been Chelsea again

This was my reading of it based on nutella's flip but I will admit this is starting to get beyond me

I wish nutella was still here to tell you all I'm not smart enough to make all this shit up lol, I can only fake claim if somebody else claims and I just copy their claim

Schiavetto has also been pretty adamant about wanting to get rid of me

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:52 pm Hey Colin, if you want someone to talk to you about their role, feel free to pick me since I'm already outed

me trying to understand the mech solve going on in this game

Do we think there are more than one vote canceller? Because I learned the identity of one night 1

This role also will reveal the alignment to a person if they target the same person twice. Does that sound like a possible scum role?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:13 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:12 pm This role also will reveal the alignment to a person if they target the same person twice. Does that sound like a possible scum role?
You mean it would reveal the alignment of the vote canceller?

Yes

To the person who has been cancelled twice

IBA wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:14 pm Going to just park my vote on Colin while I try to do a flowchart of this bullshit because that's probably just the correct answer

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Valentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:15 pm i'm the vote canceller is this not clear lol

This is what I learned night 1.

DeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:15 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:13 pm To the person who has been cancelled twice
So what you are saying is chelsea claimed vote cancellet to you

No Chelsea didn't tell me her role yet.

DeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:17 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:16 pm
Valentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:15 pm i'm the vote canceller is this not clear lol
This is what I learned night 1.
What how

Valentine chooses from someone voting for them who then learns their role. If it happens again they learn Valentine's alignment

Kinda can't figure out if it's a town role or not tbh

Valentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:19 pm im confused

mine's a day action and it fired off at eod1 as far as i know

This tracks with what I know.

I voted for Valentine, was vote blocked as a result (Valentine selected me before day's end) and learned Valentine's role as a result.

Nobody would have been blocked day 2 because there was no day 2.

If someone targeted nutella at night with a vote block, that's a different role, per the role info I received.

DeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:21 pm
Valentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:19 pm im confused

mine's a day action and it fired off at eod1 as far as i know
Yh but weve learnt you need to use it twice for colin to find out mech

It's either a town(ish) role meant to help deter people who are on your case, or a scum role that you have to be careful to spread around

IBA wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:22 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:55 pm Schiavetto has also been pretty adamant about wanting to get rid of me
"Why would town, who also just killed the godfather, want to also kill self-admitted third party?"

Like dude you don't even go here, fellow kids somewhere else

"Wahhh this person isn't scum but they aren't town wahhhhh"

No no, you learn that Valentine is the vote blocker after one block. On the second block (which hasn't happened to me or to anybody) you would learn Valentine's alignment

Valentine isn't lying about their role being day actions unless the info I received is wrong/incomplete

Day 1 of this game is "find the scum". Day 2 is a logic puzzle where you have to get a fox, a cake, a chicken, a sack of rice, a farmer, a second fox, a robot and a gun across a river in a boat that only fits one person and that person is you

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:29 pm Colin, when your vote got cancelled, did it still show in the vote count? Or how did that work?

I think it has to show in the vote count due to limitations of forum tech but it did not count as a vote. I learned Valentine's role at the end of night 1 as a result.

I gotta dip but I am looking forward to not understanding anything tomorrow.

Pro tip: the "aubergine" tag on votes exists so that people can go back and trace the timeline of when votes were cast with ctrl + F. This would be very useful to diagramming/figuring out when the Guillo wagon became a bus!

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

IBA wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:58 pm Is it time to just do a full role claim? Gives Colin his win if he’s telling the truth anyway

I don’t get the win this way lol

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:13 pm
IBA wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:12 pm Why don’t we just feed Colin three roles and test his claim? Or is that only a night action
it sounds like from how he explained it earlier that he has have those roles revealed directly to him in the neighbor chat he creates, so us outing now accomplishes nothing for him towards achieving his wincon

it also completely exposes us to the mafia team and helps them prioritize who to kill

so you know, there's that too

Correct

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:56 am Also yes, I've been in a hood with the 3p for 2 nights and it has been quite lovely tbh

I want to say real quick that I did not get wolf vibes from Chelsea and that her not claiming to me is actually a good thing. I am assuming wolves got fake claims because I got one, so if she had a fake claim, she could have just used that and lied. It’s a guess, but I think it tracks.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:54 am Btw, did anyone successfully neighborize a player who died the same night? I assume neighborizer processes at end of day or start of night but I want to be sure. Also, if anyone has a readlist from a dead player it would maybe be useful.

It processes for me at end of night

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:56 am @ColinIsCool is Chelsea the only player you successfully neighborized?

So far

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:34 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:29 pm
risiinq- wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:29 pm ok so that means there's another 3p besides colllin?
I lol'd
lol sorry, i said that bcuz previously we assumed u were the doppelganger or smth

No I was laughing at the three Ls because I corrected Sabi earlier, all good

Is there a link to the walrus results?

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:23 am Jumping in real quick to say:

The cop result is an Town result on Sabi.

Welcome to the clear pool fufu

This is what Chelsea told me.

DeeZees wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:21 am
IBA wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:16 am Was that it? I thought there was more than that at one point. ty tho
yh I just know me n rask did

also- sabi said that Colin counts for mafia parity.

Giulio's role card doesn't specify who does or doesn't count for parity

My role card doesn’t say that either. How would Sabi know?

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:51 pm Colin, your thoughts?

I’ll do whatever people in the towncore suggest

So Mungbean, you couldn’t have sent a post where someone said “I’m not scum” because that was alignment related?

DeeZees wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:55 pm can Chelsea be a wolf here?

Why Rask is clear I find weird too and wanna know

If we ignore mech for a minute, and the potential bastardy, who has been wolfiest? I *know* that mungbean visited whoever windward away, Colin, nutella and rask visited. Mungbean being truthful means:
- He should have a chat with Colin (if Colin is being truthful)
- Rask is the vote canceller and probably targetted Colin because 3p or wolf who targetted nutella.
- Nutella redirected to claimed 3p ... which seems unlikely
- Chelsea lying about the cop result they both have confirming Sabi town (who else was involved in this?)

So I think its bordering on impossible for this all to be true unless;eess mafia have mad redirectors and bus drivers or ability to falsify results

@WindwardAway is there a way for truth teller to be your proxy cop result?

Wait, why would Mungbean have a chat with me? I’ve only neighborized to Chelsea after trying nutella.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:08 pm I could claim I'm basically vanilla now

Tell me your role in chat then too

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:19 pm And Val keeps saying they want Colin to be able to confirm their alignment tonight, and idk why scum would want to out themselves to the 3p whose wincon is literally just to rolefish and leave

So yeah, wait a sec. I should vote for Valentine now?

[VOTE: Valentine] aubergine

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