The Syndicate

I do think it’s kinda suspect that so many people would dump shit like they have tbh. I dunno if this is tinfoil but I bet there’s a scum counting on reduced risk of nightkill or certain protections amidst the Dumpers.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:40 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:36 pm Folks, change your votes. I didn’t want to out myself so early but fuck it.

Last night I saw mommy kissing Santa Claus.
What? Where?

I can’t tell you which spot on the grid, but I have good reason to believe it’s near a Battleship.

Why would I listen to a old madwoman who lives in the woods? Doesn’t sound like a paragon of wisdom tbh, she probably doesn’t even have indoor plumbing.

Folks, change your votes. I didn’t want to out myself so early but fuck it.

Last night I saw mommy kissing Santa Claus.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:53 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:51 pm Why is Kyle town?
click

I read this and struggle to see how you walk away with a townread. I agree with the 90% where you say he looks middling to sketchy, and disagree with the last portion where Kyle apparently is redeemed. I think that whole post Kyle made actually looks kinda fake — I disagree with his assessment of wolbre’s post and think he’s making a big deal out of things (saying “???”) that need not a deal made.

This has solidified my suspish on Kyle, so thanks!

Yeah I looked and I deffo used world-building differeny but it’s the same principle — saying things to be referenced later, for a better understanding of the game as a whole, to town’s benefit

Why is Kyle town?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:50 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:49 pm It’s a gut thing.
This is not going to convince me.

And I have never once had a read on Quin. Not even “I think he’s scum” or “I think he’s town”. I just can’t read him.

It’s a gut thing.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:25 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:23 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:31 pm Onto Sloonei's ISO's:

I read the Kyle one and nothing jumped out at me as bad.
I'll read the Luna one but I've given my thoughts on Luna.

Reading the G-Man one now, I'll post this here but I'll continue to read:

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:30 pm Knowing the epic nature of Long Con & Black Rock games, the fact that the baddies kill range increases as their numbers wain shouldn’t surprise me, but oof. Clever way to keep everyone else from getting overconfident.
Sloonei remarks that this is an odd thing to fixate on first, and I agree,
This post actually changes my mind on G-Man more than Luna’s vouching does. Why does a scum G-Man go in the thread to taunt the town with a mechanical quirk benefitting his team? Because taunting is fun, I gues, but this looks more like worldbuilding than anything.
Colin, like I said, I'm extra dumb this afternoon. What do you mean by world building?

I believe Speed used the term in Hogwart but it’s basically when a civ comes in the thread to share an observation about the game that isn’t a read or a theory, for the sake of enhancing knowledge/getting the town on the same page. Speed also noted that people here are unusually hostile to it, and I agree with him because I get flak for it all the time.

Wanna hear more from sprit but if I have to pick from the rest of Sloonei’s list I pick [VOTE: Kyle] aubergine

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:31 pm Onto Sloonei's ISO's:

I read the Kyle one and nothing jumped out at me as bad.
I'll read the Luna one but I've given my thoughts on Luna.

Reading the G-Man one now, I'll post this here but I'll continue to read:

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:30 pm Knowing the epic nature of Long Con & Black Rock games, the fact that the baddies kill range increases as their numbers wain shouldn’t surprise me, but oof. Clever way to keep everyone else from getting overconfident.
Sloonei remarks that this is an odd thing to fixate on first, and I agree,

This post actually changes my mind on G-Man more than Luna’s vouching does. Why does a scum G-Man go in the thread to taunt the town with a mechanical quirk benefitting his team? Because taunting is fun, I gues, but this looks more like worldbuilding than anything.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:54 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:22 am I have reason to think Sloonei is telling the truth about at least some things, and if we have to go from his list, my pick is either G-Man (for reasons others have stated) or Luna (for reasons I have stated). Considering how poorly I read Luna, I will follow in Dana’s footsteps and pick [VOTE: G-MAN] aubergine.
What if sloonei is bad. Why are you so willing to trust another player's reads?

It’s not about Sloonei’s reads. If Sloonei says he has a pool of people who did something, I have reason to believe him. Another player has also referenced this reason in this thread, but I don’t remember who so good luck finding it.

I have reason to think Sloonei is telling the truth about at least some things, and if we have to go from his list, my pick is either G-Man (for reasons others have stated) or Luna (for reasons I have stated). Considering how poorly I read Luna, I will follow in Dana’s footsteps and pick [VOTE: G-MAN] aubergine.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:13 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:03 am [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

A hunch, i want to pursue later.
So as of right now I am the only person spirityo has accused the entire game. I don't even see a vote from them in the first lynch poll. They haven't even really shared any thoughts on anyone yet. I'm all for speculating about gameplay and roles and everything because I also do that but usually by this point in the game some of the speculation is regarding players and reads on players. Just find that interesting.

I am still not convinced wilgy isnt bad. Unless he just really doesn't care about this game at all he didn't even put up any defense about being accused or voted for. And he still really hasn't been around. It also now seems like maybe TH was defending him.

I was just speculating if TH was the trickster could he have killed nutella and someone killed him. I dont know if that really impacts anything but it would be an interesting turn of events if it did happen that way.

Can someone condense the argument on g man so I can get a better idea of where that is coming from? I didnt really get much from trying to read him before.

I know I haven't posted much there is a lot to follow and I get busy with work and things. I've been keeping up best I can though at least with reading everything.

This post gives me the heeby-jeebies. A no u against sprit, redirecting traffic away to what some may call a cop-out vote in Wilgy, and this perfect “open to lynching G-Man but also open to not doing that” twist at the end ... maybe I’m a crackpot but it feels like we can learn a lot from this if G-Man is lynched and turns out bad.

timmer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:52 am I just shoveled for the 4th or maybe 5th time today and it is still snowing....

Colin, one more question for you. I've made a lot of posts in this game and commented on write a few people. What do you think of my full iso?

I don’t have much time to do a full ISO, but I have read everything. I think you’ve looked hesitant to get involved at times and I have no strong reason to townread you.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:02 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:25 am I can get behind the Kyle suspish. That big post where he responded to all of Sloonei’s concerns point by point seems out of character for town-Kyle this early on, as if he’s going out of his way to look agreeable and eager to please. It’s not as big of a suspish than those I previously stated, but it’s a suspish.
what would be in character? i always respond when i'm mentioned or quoted

I dunno, I guess I don’t recall that being part of your game.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] this is the post that rankled me regarding timmer

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:34 am I’m a little offended that you all think I would do such bush league stuff as a mafioso.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:05 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:17 pm Actually, to be more clear, Luna's vote seems fine. I was trying to reference this POST of hers: "Sorry, but that is not a god reason to vote someone. Anything Jack has done this game to make you suspect him?"

I don't like when people try to make big deals out of anyone's day 1 vote, because frankly, to me they ALL are weak votes. Why call one specific one out?
because if you want someone lynched you need to make a case on them. that is how mafia works.

[VOTE: timmer] aubergine
I enjoyed this assessment and at this point in time would have voted in agreement.

Obviously civs make posts like that, too, but it’s easy to see why a mafioso would.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:00 pm Also slightly ot, but I hate this player salad nonsense.i don't see a problem with giving lots of reads at once if it makes sense or is asked.

People misuse the term. It’s when the reads are unsubstantiated and based on nothing apparent in context, like if I said, “My scumreads are sprit, Epignosis, Sloonei and maybe speedchuck” and offered little-to-no-reasoning (because I can’t actually supply any).

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:12 pm @ColinIsCool talk to me about timmer some more. I've been feeling better about him each time he posts, but you came in here today with your eye on him. I'd like to hear more about that.

It mostly stems from one post I highlighted earlier which I can reproduce and a lack of town reading him which I found easy to do in Hogwarts

[VOTE: TIMMER] aubergine

Hoping to see some more from Tranq but I’m gonna park myself here. I keep wavering on Sloonei so timmer rounds out the top 3.

I can get behind the Kyle suspish. That big post where he responded to all of Sloonei’s concerns point by point seems out of character for town-Kyle this early on, as if he’s going out of his way to look agreeable and eager to please. It’s not as big of a suspish than those I previously stated, but it’s a suspish.

I won’t be able to do the TH interactive analysis either but somebody should

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:18 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:54 am I think we made the best decision I was able to come up with. That's all we can ask for in any lynch.
ew. Really don't like the vibe here.

He’s joking

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:36 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:27 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:12 pm Colin's ISO gives me so many mixed feelings it's like I'm starring in a Hallmark movie. I don't like that his list of suspects doesn't have explanations. I looked back for those explanations to check on them. Two of them were simply quoted with a "LMAO" added. Another one or two were "I agree" on someone else's post.

I don't really have a sight line into Colin's think hole, but that's the very problem. I can't tell what the dude is thinking. -1 points
Lmao = “You’re deflecting to the thread to cast your vote for you? And people are giving me shit?”

Somehow, it happened twice.
Somehow the nuance of context disappears when I ISO

Well, I don’t blame you much for not fully understanding my posts considering they were very flippant, but I do blame the whole thread as a collective for not seeing this shit.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:12 pm Colin's ISO gives me so many mixed feelings it's like I'm starring in a Hallmark movie. I don't like that his list of suspects doesn't have explanations. I looked back for those explanations to check on them. Two of them were simply quoted with a "LMAO" added. Another one or two were "I agree" on someone else's post.

I don't really have a sight line into Colin's think hole, but that's the very problem. I can't tell what the dude is thinking. -1 points

Lmao = “You’re deflecting to the thread to cast your vote for you? And people are giving me shit?”

Somehow, it happened twice.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:46 pm I believe LC and BR are planning on moving the deadline up a few hours moving forward, for those that found last night difficult. This night phase is only 21 hours long, so I would guess that it will be moving up 2 or 3 hours.

Do you know offhand what time EST that will be?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:34 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:24 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:53 am Summary of my suspects: timmer, Sloonei, Tranq, INH, Luna.
PLAYA SALAD!

(joking, sort of.)
Is it joking or is it not?

@ColinIsCool I'm not caught up, but I'm curious as to if whether you have elaborated on all of those people at one time or another or not.

It’s a summary of comments made during the preceding catch-up posts.

Juliets is playing identically to the way she has as town in every game I’ve played with her.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:15 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:11 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:29 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:58 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:53 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:04 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:55 pm
This was the main ping. Up to this point he had asked a mechanics question and said he voted for the N0 poll randomly. His first engagement with the actual game was to say he liked Epi's post on DDL, with no elaboration or follow up. Since I was going to be out of pocket all day, I figured I would rather have my vote out there and doing something than locked up tight and useless, so I voted. I didn't want to say my reason, because it gives him an easy out if he's mafia to make the suspicion go away. I wanted to see a response not based on my suspicion, and sure enough I got it. Not giving a reason also sort of forces people who jump on the wagon to supply their own reasoning, rather than just saying "yep I agree." D1 I think that's particularly valuable.
Is it scummy ... to say that I like a post?
That's certainly one way of interpreting my case
Explain like I’m really dumb
man first post about other mans is "I agree with that man". Me no like. Me vote to see what man say. Me no give reason to see what other mans do.
Okay, so I was right the first time, got it.
Literally your first and only engagement with reading players was "I like Epi's post" and you didn't follow up or extend the reasoning or vote or anything. So, yeah.

Well, I did vote for DDL, so wrong on that count. And I don’t know what explanation is necessary: I liked it because it made sense and I agreed with it, which should have been self-evident by me saying I liked it. Or would it look better of me if I quoted a bunch of posts, summarized them, did some color analysis, crunched the numbers on the last 6 DDL games played when Mercury is in retrograde, and came to the same conclusion?

Because I’m not doing that.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:29 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:58 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:53 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:04 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:55 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:58 am I didn’t say what I voted for but it was the Become More, sorry.

I like Epi’s post re: DDL’s role speculation.
This was the main ping. Up to this point he had asked a mechanics question and said he voted for the N0 poll randomly. His first engagement with the actual game was to say he liked Epi's post on DDL, with no elaboration or follow up. Since I was going to be out of pocket all day, I figured I would rather have my vote out there and doing something than locked up tight and useless, so I voted. I didn't want to say my reason, because it gives him an easy out if he's mafia to make the suspicion go away. I wanted to see a response not based on my suspicion, and sure enough I got it. Not giving a reason also sort of forces people who jump on the wagon to supply their own reasoning, rather than just saying "yep I agree." D1 I think that's particularly valuable.
Is it scummy ... to say that I like a post?
That's certainly one way of interpreting my case
Explain like I’m really dumb
man first post about other mans is "I agree with that man". Me no like. Me vote to see what man say. Me no give reason to see what other mans do.

Okay, so I was right the first time, got it.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:53 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:04 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:55 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:58 am I didn’t say what I voted for but it was the Become More, sorry.

I like Epi’s post re: DDL’s role speculation.
This was the main ping. Up to this point he had asked a mechanics question and said he voted for the N0 poll randomly. His first engagement with the actual game was to say he liked Epi's post on DDL, with no elaboration or follow up. Since I was going to be out of pocket all day, I figured I would rather have my vote out there and doing something than locked up tight and useless, so I voted. I didn't want to say my reason, because it gives him an easy out if he's mafia to make the suspicion go away. I wanted to see a response not based on my suspicion, and sure enough I got it. Not giving a reason also sort of forces people who jump on the wagon to supply their own reasoning, rather than just saying "yep I agree." D1 I think that's particularly valuable.
Is it scummy ... to say that I like a post?
That's certainly one way of interpreting my case

Explain like I’m really dumb

I’m just gonna vote for the top option every time.

Summary of my suspects: timmer, Sloonei, Tranq, INH, Luna.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:45 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:41 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:52 am
wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:41 am I always self destruct under pressure look back at the Peloponnesian war mafia game where I was town
Imma bet wolbre's town.

Did you have an actual question about this or you just trying to throw shade?

It looks like an attempt at earning credit post-lynch. But then again, there are 2 teams, so nvm.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:59 am If Wilgy is bad I will eat my shoe

U sure u want to be making wagers bro?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:52 am
wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:41 am I always self destruct under pressure look back at the Peloponnesian war mafia game where I was town
Imma bet wolbre's town.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:42 am Ahhh
Should I break the tie on wilgy or sloonei, or just stay on colin and ignore it?

linki: the tie is gone

Lmao

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:41 am I kinda don't want to lynch Wolbre because I like him, he's hilarious and he hasn't played in ages but dude is mafia.

I’m amazed that Mac thought this. I’ve liked his jusgment a lot up to this point.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:24 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:23 am TBQH Tranq seemed willfully ignorant with his poll question and then has been kinda blendy since then IDK.
+1

+2

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:05 am It reminds me of that time when MP and I were literally the only two people in the thread in Search for Quin and he insisted that I must be scum because I was the only person in the game actively pushing any theories. Because I was the only other person bothering to do anything at all. I got lynched because nobody else was playing.

That's essentially what Mac is suggesting right now. It's obnoxious and idiotic and if I get lynched I'm gonna be annoyed and sign up for Colin's heist.

I like how playing my game is a punishment on the rest of us (if you are town here).

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:54 pm G-Man and Sloonei both too close for comfort are trying desperately to build viable counterwagons to get the lynch off them. The rest of the candidates don't gaf because they aren't Mafia.

Hot takes up in here get your hot takes.

“LIKE!”

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:32 pm Who should I vote for, G-Man or Colin? I’ll vote for whichever one the first person to quote this post tells me to vote for.

Lmao

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:52 pm Sloonei boi is town, he had a real life excuse for not being active yet he has a buttload of posts

I would contend that scum are more likely to let real life be overruled by Mafia, but maybe that’s not the case in your personal experience. (It is in mine.)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:57 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:47 pm Also, some heads are fixing to roll around here.

Spoiler: show
The Panthers just lost to the Browns.

The ending to the Pats/Dolphins game has messed me up as well.

I was at the Ralph yesterday for that clutch Bills collapse, but this, this made me feel okay about it all.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:55 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:58 am I didn’t say what I voted for but it was the Become More, sorry.

I like Epi’s post re: DDL’s role speculation.
This was the main ping. Up to this point he had asked a mechanics question and said he voted for the N0 poll randomly. His first engagement with the actual game was to say he liked Epi's post on DDL, with no elaboration or follow up. Since I was going to be out of pocket all day, I figured I would rather have my vote out there and doing something than locked up tight and useless, so I voted. I didn't want to say my reason, because it gives him an easy out if he's mafia to make the suspicion go away. I wanted to see a response not based on my suspicion, and sure enough I got it. Not giving a reason also sort of forces people who jump on the wagon to supply their own reasoning, rather than just saying "yep I agree." D1 I think that's particularly valuable.

Is it scummy ... to say that I like a post?

Wow, you guys posted a lot.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:01 am
timmer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:56 am Just reread it. You say you have a case but then the next sentences are all qualifiers and concerns about side angles which serve to weaken it. You spend more time on the side stuff that concern you about it than your actual suspicion. I don't know how else to explain your post to you, lol. I'm heading to bed, g'night. Hopefully you will see things clearly soon.
I said I have a suspicion, but that I also have reservations about the way Colin is being treated in the thread.If it’s messy, it’s because my thought process is unsettled. Because it’s Day 1. You’ve lamented yourself how difficult Day 1 often is. I wasn’t distracted from my suspicion on Colin.I was simply discussing it within the context of the game. I then laid out my case in another post shortly after, but you’re not looking at that because it’s not included in Epi’s (intentionally) bullshit case.

These colors don’t mean anything, they’re just for fun.

My read on Sloonei has progressed to more uncertain waters in the wake of this Epi case. Almost as if Sloonei is belaboring what he knows to be a bad lynch (even if I’m not on his supposed Mafia team, I presume he thinks I’m not on the other one either) so that he doesn’t look bandwagony.

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