I straight up don't understand this question any time anybody's asked it. Because the things you do in the day phase affect how the mafia perceives you and if you get nightkilled on day 1, you don't live to day 2, and you can't contribute useful information/win the game? Is there a difference in fundamental game mechanics between this site and everywhere else in the universe Mafia is played that I'm not getting?colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:22 pm @ColinIsCool the only thing I don't get is why you brought the nightkill into it when we were barely halfway into the day phase?
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Ah, btw, when I said "voted for him" in my last point I meant "voiced suspicion of him," that was a typo.
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Oh my God there were so many new posts just now. Give me a minute in case anybody asked me anything that I didn't address ...
- Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:13 pm
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1) I don't understand why you think I'm worried about that. I know that doesn't happen. But what might happen if I came into this thread and said, "hey, I have a great idea to take down the mafia, but the mafia can't know about it." I'd probably be a target for the following night phase. Why not lay a little lower?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:54 pmI don't intend to be condescending, so please don't take offense. I simply don't believe the argument you're putting forth here.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:49 pm Y'all, this condescending stuff is not gonna fly, I don't need to be in this game.
I don't see what I'm not communicating here. It is really, really strange for a townie, no matter the phase, to come into the thread and advertise themselves alone as a threat to the mafia. If you really think you have an ace in the hole or a way to get a leg up, you want to disguise it innocuously. You don't want to say stuff like "if the Mafia knew what I was doing, they'd try to stop me." Well, now they know they have a good reason to try to stop you either way, so it's USELESS.
1.) Epignosis has a zero percent chance of being night killed on Day 1, so that we're talking about this at all is already goofy.
2.) Where is this brazen advertisement of being an imminent threat? Epignosis said he isn't going to tell you what he intends with his exercise because it would render the exercise pointless. Maybe it even is pointless. You haven't given it a chance though. Before it has ever developed, barely halfway into the day phase, you have discarded it as nothing. Why not give Epignosis time to do whatever he's doing before you make that decision? Maybe it's an hour to EOD and he still hasn't done shit. Then you can make this case more validly. It isn't that hard to fathom why this exercise might have value. First and foremost, what is the core source of this current dialogue? It's right in front of your face.
3.) The entire premise that a civilian inherently must play timidly to avoid night kills flies in the face of common sense. If you're an alignment cop, sure, be careful. Otherwise who gives a damn? The objective of this game is not to survive. It is to lynch mafia.
2) I've given my reasons for why I've "discarded it as nothing." I think it's an unhelpful distraction from real scumhunting. I'd be glad to be proven wrong, but his conduct doesn't give me any town points.
3) Those of you who are OG RYMers will remember that I was a cop who sussed out 3/4 (or maybe all of, idk) the mafia team in one of the earliest games. I did a lot of behind the scenes engineering to make those lynches happen. What I did not do was do engineering in the thread, saying things like "I can't tell you what I'm up to or the Mafia will ruin it" to pique their suspicions. Show me one instance of Epignosis being helpful in this entire game and maybe I'll reconsider, but I bet you can't.
Yeah, despite what Jimmuy said I think this kinda happened. This was when everybody was throwing around metas as the extent of scumhunting and I had no idea wtf I was doing. I wanna say maybe it was communism themed but honestly I have no idea. And I have no idea what my alignment was either. I didn't start RYMafia but I was on the ground floor of it, never hosted.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:23 pm Jimmy re. Colin.
Since you are the encyclopedia of RYMafia can you help me. I seem to recall that despite starting the RYMafia craze (unless I am conflating him with someone else) Colin had a large break at one point and upon return we had evolved the game so much that he came across abnormal and caught heat for it and also felt like everyone else was very foreign and playing a different game to him and vocalised it.
If you can recall in which game that was and what his alignment was that would be super because it feels like he is doing the same thing here and I feel like it might just be his focus on how the game ought to be played that is attracting all this suspicion.
Colin you might recall too?
(A) may be too quick to discard. But Epignosis' insistence on doing it, without offering even a lazy reason why, is strange to me.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:37 pmOld timey Syndikats who are accustomed to survival win conditions might. I generally don't give a shit about avoiding kills. Granted, I rarely seem to get killed.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:31 pmSome civs like to avoid night kills no? I'm sure we have had that conversation before.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:29 pmIt may not be irrelevant, because I am sure the intensity of this brand of Mafia is not the same as what Colin was accustomed to in the early games on RYM. I don't know if that culture shock is a good reason for him to assume Epignosis should be hiding from night kills though. I just don't get that argument.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:28 pm My whole point is irrelevant because I mistook him for sinagog. Moving on.
The structure of the argument, as I see it (correct me if it's a misinterpretation, Colin) is this:
A. Epignosis is employing an exercise which doesn't look especially productive.
B. Epignosis is not giving details about the purpose of the exercise or what he hopes to do with it because it might tip of the Mafia team to his intentions.
C. This means Epignosis is admitting to being a threat to the mafia and thus a potential night kill target.
D. A civilian shouldn't make himself so openly a night kill target.
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I think (A) is too quick to discard the exercise when the day is young enough that there's no urgency for Epignosis to have any perspective other than (B). Moreover, I don't understand how (C) follows from (B) -- a gap in reasoning is being crossed and it makes little sense to me. Playing some exercise in the thread and keeping its purpose under wraps is not equivalent to having some unique power role which should terrify the mafia team. That logic is bizarre. (D) can be a matter of culture shock/clash. I think it's an overly simplistic portrayal of a broad strategic concept, but some people probably do avoid night kills even to the detriment of their own civilian team.
As far as (B) to (C), look for where Epignosis said this as I quoted earlier:
"You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing."
Damn good reason. If there's a damn good reason to not tell me what he's doing, then I think there's also a damn good reason to not hammer the fact that he is doing it. It is daring townies to be suspicious, and daring mafia to suspect they may have a reason to worry. Chalk it up to different playstyles, maybe, but that's not a great look if you wanna have your master townie plan come together.
1, I never implied you weren't mafia, and have already said so. 2, burden of proof's not on me to be convinced. 3, y'all shady.
Adjust behavior accordingly ... as in, maybe night kill him? Weren't you just saying you don't understand what I was saying about that?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:01 pmHere. This. This is what I find so gross. There's such an obvious interpretation that Colin is not acknowledging.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:49 pm I don't see what I'm not communicating here. It is really, really strange for a townie, no matter the phase, to come into the thread and advertise themselves alone as a threat to the mafia. If you really think you have an ace in the hole or a way to get a leg up, you want to disguise it innocuously. You don't want to say stuff like "if the Mafia knew what I was doing, they'd try to stop me." Well, now they know they have a good reason to try to stop you either way, so it's USELESS.
Epignosis doesn't want to tip off the mafia team. It isn't about their "wanting to stop him". It's about their understanding of his intentions and reacting accordingly. If there's something he's looking for, or some overall purpose under the surface -- saying what it is in the thread prevents it from working. The mafia maneuver their behavior to improve their appearances.
I have been that guy so many times. It's the exact reason why the first few times I ran those gun-to-head reads exercises, I was as vague as possible about what I was doing until the last second. Tipping off the mafia team to your moves is foolish, and that Colin demanded that of Epignosis with this bolded bullshit in hand strikes me such crap.
I think it looks suss, but I don't think I ever called Epi scum; I said his vote against me looked like a "defensive scum move." Epi has not done any scumhunting and, when confronted about his exercise, is over the top antagonistic about it. And he voted for me, literally because I voted for him, check the ISO. So yeah, not big town vibes here all things considered, but if I really thought he were scum I would have voted for him a few hours ago. My main bad vibe also comes from the point I made earlier in this post re: "damn good reason."dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:16 pm D. this is not exactly the whole story, because he's also calling Epi scum for doing it and not just scolding a civ Epi. I wouldn't say this exercise has helped me decide whether Epi is scum or town yet, but what I don't like in this (unlike your reasons), is Colin's handling of the argument which points to WHY a civ SHOULDN'T do what Epi does, the whole argument reliant on a civ Epi to make sense, then call him scum. Unless he believes Epi is being really contrary? Idgi.
- Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:49 pm
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Y'all, this condescending stuff is not gonna fly, I don't need to be in this game.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:43 pmAbsolute crap.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:40 pmNo. He could say something like, "I think it'd be useful to see what people say." Or he could say "There might be patterns in who's picked." If he has a real strategy here that needs time to pan out, he shouldn't be daring the Mafia to kill him for it by saying he has a "damn good reason" to hide his intentions.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:36 pmNo thanks. You're telling me that Epignosis should be broadcasting his intentions, whatever they may be, thus neutralizing their potential, all so he can avoid a night kill which is by the numbers already unlikely?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:32 pmI mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?
I hate this reasoning.
Simple question, Colin: what is the current phase?
I don't see what I'm not communicating here. It is really, really strange for a townie, no matter the phase, to come into the thread and advertise themselves alone as a threat to the mafia. If you really think you have an ace in the hole or a way to get a leg up, you want to disguise it innocuously. You don't want to say stuff like "if the Mafia knew what I was doing, they'd try to stop me." Well, now they know they have a good reason to try to stop you either way, so it's USELESS.
- Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:44 pm
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Those of you who are asking me to name names need to go back and see where I said I'd pick random names, because I don't know you. I said this directly in an exchange about all of this explaining why I thought it was suspicious.
- Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:40 pm
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No. He could say something like, "I think it'd be useful to see what people say." Or he could say "There might be patterns in who's picked." If he has a real strategy here that needs time to pan out, he shouldn't be daring the Mafia to kill him for it by saying he has a "damn good reason" to hide his intentions.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:36 pmNo thanks. You're telling me that Epignosis should be broadcasting his intentions, whatever they may be, thus neutralizing their potential, all so he can avoid a night kill which is by the numbers already unlikely?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:32 pmI mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?
I hate this reasoning.
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As I said before, I think it's just a WIFOM rabbit hole and easily manipulated by the mafia to send us in the wrong direction, lynch the wrong people. And I supplied my answer, which was the same as yours, IIRC.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:34 pmDo you think his exercise, even if pointless, has any potential to do harm? If not, why haven't you given some names?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:27 pm Epignosis, I have no reason to trust you and even less when you refuse to answer my questions. I think you can understand that because you think I'm suspicious for not answering yours, no? Whatever you think my post implies, what I am saying is that I am suspicious of your exercise and of you. And I'm not the only one, so saying that it's manufactured is just plain not true.
I don't see the value in your exercise. The burden of proof is not on me when it comes to changing my mind there, it's on you to show that it's useful to the town. And while, yeah, someone could protect you in the night phases, it's also weird to me that you're openly advertising that you have some scheme that we don't know anything about rolling that would be detrimental to the mafia, because wouldn't they then want to kill you?
- Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:32 pm
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I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?
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Epignosis, I have no reason to trust you and even less when you refuse to answer my questions. I think you can understand that because you think I'm suspicious for not answering yours, no? Whatever you think my post implies, what I am saying is that I am suspicious of your exercise and of you. And I'm not the only one, so saying that it's manufactured is just plain not true.
I don't see the value in your exercise. The burden of proof is not on me when it comes to changing my mind there, it's on you to show that it's useful to the town. And while, yeah, someone could protect you in the night phases, it's also weird to me that you're openly advertising that you have some scheme that we don't know anything about rolling that would be detrimental to the mafia, because wouldn't they then want to kill you?
I don't see the value in your exercise. The burden of proof is not on me when it comes to changing my mind there, it's on you to show that it's useful to the town. And while, yeah, someone could protect you in the night phases, it's also weird to me that you're openly advertising that you have some scheme that we don't know anything about rolling that would be detrimental to the mafia, because wouldn't they then want to kill you?
- Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:19 pm
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The main thing I don't like is broadcasting the indecision that much, but that might be a meta I'm unaware of. Looking through the ISO I gotta say I don't like either the vote for Mac or for TSP, though. They seem like shaky cases. I am sympathetic, though, to being confused about the roles because I am too. Unfortunately I can't make up my mind.
- Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:05 pm
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To clarify my suggestion earlier was that moving forward when we vote, instead of bolding or whatever we just say something like
Aubergine
Vote Ronald Reagan
so that the admin can easily find votes and tally them that way instead of having to sift through page after page to verify whether we got the count right.
Aubergine
Vote Ronald Reagan
so that the admin can easily find votes and tally them that way instead of having to sift through page after page to verify whether we got the count right.
- Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:54 pm
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Well, maybe, but they're also the remaining four who haven't said anything re: Epignosis' request, so I want to know why nutella thinks they need to answer it and why not answering it makes them seem suspicious.
- Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:51 pm
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Thanks for this post. The whole Mac thing rubbed me the wrong way as I voiced before and I forgot nutella's post was a big reason why. There is definitely something to be said for being as careful not to commit as all that.gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:48 pm I looked at nutella's ISO because of that post and to me, it's characterized mostly but non-commitment. So far she's made two votes this one for Mac, which demonstrates my point nicely. Look at these phrases: "Can't decide how to feel," "Maybe it's excusable," but apparently it's enough for her to place a vote. Looks like she's trying to dip her toes in the water with a case that was already floating around, but trying not to commit too much in case it didn't pan out.
Which it obviously didn't. Here is the one strong stance nutella seems to take. And she backs down from it 2 hours and 2 posts later here. Again, very very noncommittal. And only because you don't think Mac would fake not knowing his alignment as scum? I can certainly imagine Mac doing that.
All this trepidation combined with that weird post on giving Tony shaman is enough for me to VOTE NUTELLA
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I pretty much retired from RYMafia before analyzing metas were a thing so I don't know. It's an odd statement to make but it's also an odd statement for a scum to stick their neck out on.
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As I have said before, and as you have not addressed, it looks to me like it's "participating." Distracting, building up a resume of contributing in a pro-town direction without actually pushing things in a helpful direction. You might as well be asking "Hey Mafia, are you Mafia?" and expecting something good to come of it. Even if it is a matter of seeing which names pop up and addressing the biggest "threats" somehow, this whole thing just adds another dimension of manipulation by the mafia if you're town, or it's your attempt at manipulation if you're mafia (because to be clear, I never said I thought you were town, that statement pretty easily indicates a suspicion).Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:23 pmThis is the third time you've criticized or questioned what I'm dong. How can you judge the usefulness of this before I've gone through with it? Your initial criticism of what I was doing was this:ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:14 amDunya: mostly positive, actually, but strong players ought to be kept under scrutiny. Excitement scares me in Mafia because I know I’m always more excited when I get to lie. Then again she was excited enough to invite me before roles were called so it also seems genuine.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:51 pmWhat are your reads on the four people in question?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:50 pm Nope, not on RYM that I can recall, other games on other forums where I got my ass handed to me by some really manipulative “supertown” SOBs.
dunya
Kylemii
Dragon D. Luffy
colonialbob
Kylemii: not a lot here for me, but I can’t agree with your read because it’s based on a meta I have no knowledge of. Nothing seems particularly scummy but nothing seems particularly towny.
DDL: I’m not sold on the case against Mac that people were all aboard for a little bit ago. The vote against him here struck me as capitalizing on his post with a rationale that looks good at first but not really under scrutiny. I don’t think a scum would offer himself up so easily on Day 1 as a sacrificial lamb when there’s slight momentum against him, but a townie might. I don’t also see anything in the hunting style that’s particularly better than anybody else’s.
Colonialbob: again, not a lot of feelings here but see the above re: hunting style
(In general the interactions between Mac and others are not adding up, including to Mac himself, and pursuing something there, between those players, might be the best route to go.)
The main theme here is that your rationale is based on intuitions I don’t share or information I don’t have access to, which isn’t your fault.
Also, I really want to know why Epignosis wants to know who we would pick?
How can you know what the mafia is being "invited" to do if you don't even know what I'm doing?I also think the exercise about asking who we would pick to be on our team is a little odd, it’s basically inviting the mafia to throw you off, no? Doesn’t seem to me like there’s a lot to gleam from it so that begs the question, why ask it?
And if you are not mafia, and you don't really believe I'm mafia (because you differentiated between me and the mafia by saying I was inviting the mafia to throw me off), then I cannot fathom why you wouldn't answer my question in good conscience.
I think I will vote after all.
Vote: ColinisCool
Another reason why I think it's not helpful is because of my own answer. I don't know who I would pick because I don't know anybody here so it would probably be random. Thus, there is nothing you can gleam from my answer, so you might as well be asking people ITT "what's your favorite kind of sandwich?"
Lastly, your vote really strikes me as a defensive scum move, voting for me just because I'm voicing suspicions against you while you refuse to clarify or address any question posed to you (and not just by me.) It doesn't help that there's momentum against you as of your post.
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I sort of get what you're saying but I think most of us are here because we want to play the game and not get kicked out as soon as it starts, no?rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:12 pmWhy preserve yourself? A townie would accept his fate.sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:08 pm [1] DrWilgy - Marmot
[1] lapluie - JaggedJimmyJay
[1] rabbit8 - colonialbob
[1] TonyStarkPrime - nutella
[1] sprityo - Dragon D. Luffy
[1] Quin - dunya
[2] Epignosis - Kites, Marmot
[2] Marmot - Long Con , RunDontWalk
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Not Voting: ColinIsCool, Dr. White, DrWilgy, Epignosis, gwilikers6, Iron_Dwarf, Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie, MacDougall, Quin, rabbit8, sig, sprityo, TonyStarkPrime
Yknow i really dont want to vote without feeling confident, but ill vote ddl out of preservation if i need to
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I think that the nation assignments (the ones we see anyway) are all random so I don't know if that's such a good course to go down, it's not like other games where there are guaranteed x number in a certain faction.
- Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:11 pm
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Do we find out that the Don is the Don if they’re killed? Because that’s the only way it would be useful, but even then, we’d still have to roll the dice with the list the Don posted publicly and that’s just asking to get played. That’s why I think it’s a guise of participating.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:05 pm I won't say more until Epignosis explains the exercise himself, but I can conceive of some productive applications of it beyond these obvious count-based ideas being fielded.
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I agree, leaning towards a vote here unless there’s a good defense or argument against someone else (still wary of that Mac situation)Kites wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:48 amwhat do you mean by this? it was obviously an answer to epignosis’ question.gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:40 pmThis post is so scummy you've gotta be town.Kenway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:38 pm Oh wait, Sloonei isn't in this game, I have to pick another one up.
JJJ is the likeliest candidate but putting him and Dunya on a scum team is probably predictable, so I'll choose MacDougall instead. I don't know why but I always want to be on his good side. Also, I've been scum with him before, so there's that.
speaking of epignosis, he’s the most suspicious person imo. i don’t know if this ”who would your mafia mates be” survey is a common thing on this site but i don’t remember people doing it in rym games. it doesn’t give any useful information, cos the answer is so easy to fake it might actually help scum mislead people i dunno
i think he’s just tryna make a false impression he’s contributing sth valuable to the game
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This is poorly phrased; when I say “to Mac himself” I mean that Mac is not absolved of all suspicion, but the whole thing is fishy.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:14 am (In general the interactions between Mac and others are not adding up, including to Mac himself, and pursuing something there, between those players, might be the best route to go.)
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Dunya: mostly positive, actually, but strong players ought to be kept under scrutiny. Excitement scares me in Mafia because I know I’m always more excited when I get to lie. Then again she was excited enough to invite me before roles were called so it also seems genuine.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:51 pmWhat are your reads on the four people in question?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:50 pm Nope, not on RYM that I can recall, other games on other forums where I got my ass handed to me by some really manipulative “supertown” SOBs.
dunya
Kylemii
Dragon D. Luffy
colonialbob
Kylemii: not a lot here for me, but I can’t agree with your read because it’s based on a meta I have no knowledge of. Nothing seems particularly scummy but nothing seems particularly towny.
DDL: I’m not sold on the case against Mac that people were all aboard for a little bit ago. The vote against him here struck me as capitalizing on his post with a rationale that looks good at first but not really under scrutiny. I don’t think a scum would offer himself up so easily on Day 1 as a sacrificial lamb when there’s slight momentum against him, but a townie might. I don’t also see anything in the hunting style that’s particularly better than anybody else’s.
Colonialbob: again, not a lot of feelings here but see the above re: hunting style
(In general the interactions between Mac and others are not adding up, including to Mac himself, and pursuing something there, between those players, might be the best route to go.)
The main theme here is that your rationale is based on intuitions I don’t share or information I don’t have access to, which isn’t your fault.
Also, I really want to know why Epignosis wants to know who we would pick?
- Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:50 pm
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Nope, not on RYM that I can recall, other games on other forums where I got my ass handed to me by some really manipulative “supertown” SOBs.
- Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:43 pm
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Thanks JJJ. I can’t say I’m persuaded by anything you said, especially your notions about dunya’s activity (I guess our experiences with mafia just diverge here because I’ve seen it more than just once) but I appreciate it.
- Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:15 pm
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Care to explain the strong reads then?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:11 pmTiers can be translated to:ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:09 pm JJJ, what’s the difference between your tiers of green? Are you saying you have “very strong” town reads on 4 players, somehow, and “also town” reads on 10 more?
~ This is a strong civilian read ~
~ I lean in the civilian direction ~
~ This is not a civilian read ~
- Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:14 pm
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BTW, since we are already demonstrating that we’ll screw up the vote tally and the GM definitely should keep track independently, what about including a tag-word any time a person votes so they can ctrl f them all easily? Something that we wouldn’t say in any mafia context, like “asparagus.” Just a random thought I had right now
- Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:09 pm
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JJJ, what’s the difference between your tiers of green? Are you saying you have “very strong” town reads on 4 players, somehow, and “also town” reads on 10 more?
- Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:13 pm
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- Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:12 pm
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I don’t know what the conventions are here but I’ve played many games where hints about scum are buried in the flavor text; the thinking is, why else bother writing them? There’s no way for us to know right now whether that’s the case though.gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:21 pmI'm not sure I'm ready to read into story text like that. This could all be coincidental. I don't see why JOH would reveal actual bad guys' genders with a story there exclusively for flavor.dunya wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:18 pmIf you read JOH's flavor message to commence Day 1, he specifically used male and female pronouns so yes, character gender will be relevant.gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:12 pm But Kites' message there makes me think gender will play more of a role in the game than I would have thought from what I got.
"Thumb now looked exactly like the one he had killed."
"Pointer said while wiping the blood from his weapon"
"Middle was looking forward to facing the prince on the battlefield." - gender unspecified
"Ring's blade pierced a man's skull with ease." - gender unspecified
"Pinky smiled as darkness rose behind her."
We know Thumb and Pointer are male, Pinky is female and Middle and Ring are still unknown.
- Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:21 pm
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I’m gonna have to ask you to not read too deeply into my paragraph structure here because I’m on mobile and already said I made a mistake in the post anyway. As far as Mac goes he didn’t really give me a reason to suspect him, the colonialbob stuff is weird maybe but definitely didn’t read as a scumtell on Day 1, so your “interrogation” of it seems a little false.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:14 pmI find this green stuff disdainful. The first portion of the sentence should logically explain the latter. It was an interrogation. The purpose of the interrogation is not to "make it appear as if there's a semi-reasonable case" -- which is already hedging language. It is to develop a read leading to a decision after the interrogation. Moreover, this assertion says nothing about MacDougall himself, but must inherently presume his innocence if Big Bad JJJ is giving him the works. That's where I derive a perspective of TMI (too much information).ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:51 pm I don’t really feel like I can trust JJJ right now. That MacDougall line of interrogation seems like a whole lot of latching onto nothing just to make it appear as if there’s a semi-reasonable case. Although if I were mafia in this game I would probably take advantage of the set-up confusion some people are experiencing and just lay low for a little while so I dunno. What do you all think?
Then it's disqualified with the blue stuff and it becomes an Eggo Waffle.
- Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:16 pm
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Good to know on the joke then, thanks for explaining. As for the other point, like I said, I’ve seen games completely manhandled by mafioso trying to pull all the strings. I’ve been that guy pretty much.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:09 pmSupertown Jimmy is a character. He stems from RYM game #55. It's a running gag.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:03 pm JJJ: sorry, I erased a sentence in there and didn’t ever rephrase it. Your assertions of being super town and huge level of activity (note: dunya also has earned this vibe) seem sketchy. I’ve seen in almost every game I’ve ever played that mafioso/anti-town who wants to be a leader and it’s an automatic flag from me.
On mobile but let me dig up the posts re: your second point.
Every time I say that mafia members don't blow threads up, I hear dissent and I always end up right. Mafia members can make a lot of posts. Mafia members can lead the thread in posts (they rarely do, but it can happen). In over 100 games of Mafia though across about 10-12 websites, I have never seen a single mafioso completely dominate the post count of a fast-moving game to the degree that dunya has in this game other than a single instance from MovingPictures07 (Mafia Championship Scrimmage, this site).
The next time I see it from someone other than MP will be the first time.
TBH, I haven’t played in a long time and I don’t remember anybody’s playstyle so I’m definitely not trying to finger anybody with my brilliant intuition. Just trying to work out the things that strike me funny in case they’re helpful.
- Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:10 pm
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What’s TMI?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:01 pmNo, it's about his read stemming from things that don't exist or are otherwise qualified with nothing waffles.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:00 pmOf course you do. It's about how he suspects you.
I see the civvie wheels turning in that post. Sincerity abounds in the tone and I feel that his opinions are naturally derived.
I think you're a civilian, and Colin's post looks like TMI.
- Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:09 pm
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Looks like I got the idea from Mac actually so that’s my bad.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:39 pmProbably a wifom mix. Everyone would assume Jimmy would get picked so why pick him? Probably gwilikers6, RDW, you and Wilgy. You mostly so you weren't out here analysing things legitimately. RDW and gwilly for ol times sake. Wilgy because I love being mafia with him.
- Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:03 pm
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JJJ: sorry, I erased a sentence in there and didn’t ever rephrase it. Your assertions of being super town and huge level of activity (note: dunya also has earned this vibe) seem sketchy. I’ve seen in almost every game I’ve ever played that mafioso/anti-town who wants to be a leader and it’s an automatic flag from me.
On mobile but let me dig up the posts re: your second point.
On mobile but let me dig up the posts re: your second point.
- Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:51 pm
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I don’t really feel like I can trust JJJ right now. That MacDougall line of interrogation seems like a whole lot of latching onto nothing just to make it appear as if there’s a semi-reasonable case. Although if I were mafia in this game I would probably take advantage of the set-up confusion some people are experiencing and just lay low for a little while so I dunno. What do you all think?
Second point: I really don’t buy the argument “I’d never be picked for mafia, I’m too obvious!” because ... that’s about as basic a WIFOM you can get. I think JJJ used this but then again, so did Mac.
I also think the exercise about asking who we would pick to be on our team is a little odd, it’s basically inviting the mafia to throw you off, no? Doesn’t seem to me like there’s a lot to gleam from it so that begs the question, why ask it?
Second point: I really don’t buy the argument “I’d never be picked for mafia, I’m too obvious!” because ... that’s about as basic a WIFOM you can get. I think JJJ used this but then again, so did Mac.
I also think the exercise about asking who we would pick to be on our team is a little odd, it’s basically inviting the mafia to throw you off, no? Doesn’t seem to me like there’s a lot to gleam from it so that begs the question, why ask it?
- Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:47 pm
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When Mafia first started on RYM I was able to ball out and do ridiculous gambits because I had played in a lot of games on different forums for years beforehand. Now it’s like 7 (?) years later and it’s like y’all have been training in the gym every day since while I’ve been eating Cheetos on a sofa.
- Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:41 pm
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I don’t even remember how you’re supposed to confidently lynch somebody on Day 1. Just please don’t have it be me?
- Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:28 am
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- Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:17 pm
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I am so out of my element reading these role descriptions, lmao. This’ll be fun!
- Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:13 pm
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Hi all, thanks for waiting. Obviously, I pick dunya and assign the role of Thief.