The Syndicate

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jun 30, 2018 1:01 am i think as a general rule, if you don't already have a read on me by day 4 i'm probably town.

This is 100% just a post you want us to remember when you’re scum

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:27 am speed are the role descriptions somewhere? I can't find them.

They’re in one of the Quicktopics he linked

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:51 pm JHC you guys were lucky to get your kills off every night after reading your deadchat and seeing that Epi and I were coordinating our doctoring efforts so well.

Yeah I have no idea how we didn’t fuck everything up, every night. In reading the chat back I definitely thought I could weaponize Epignosis against you but ... we see how well that worked

The hubris is all mine.

Lmao, what can I say. It was a team effort but I play cheerleader when necessary!

Yeah I can see that. I actually do gravitate toward anti-indie mindsets as a townie though, I think it’s a culture difference. Every other place I’ve played Mafia I only ever saw very anti-town indies. I don’t remember if any RYM games I played had any.

Mac’s mother in law should get a banner too tbh.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:39 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:37 pm Also, I didn’t intend to actually criticize TH’s wincon as a flaw in the set-up, I just seized on it as something to attack in an attempt to thin the numbers/give Luna some time if possible. I hope you can forgive me Turbup.
That was actually the moment I really thought you were bad, because if you were honest about your role it made turnips an extremely coincidental lie if it was one.

Well, I was kind of honest about my role ... and kind of not

I could not figure out a way to get Kyle lynched. His stance on the Turbup Tragedy was just so ... believable.

Also, I didn’t intend to actually criticize TH’s wincon as a flaw in the set-up, I just seized on it as something to attack in an attempt to thin the numbers/give Luna some time if possible. I hope you can forgive me Turbup.

*doctor

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:28 pm Also Colin, well held nerve killing Quin instead of me. I used every trick I had to bait you into killing me so I could scum-firm you.

I was really wary of the Scotty relationship and all the dictor shenanigans, it really felt like 5D chess at some points. More luck than anything.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:17 pm Also if I sub out and spend all my time giving you a legacy case before I go - trust it! I knew Colin was bad, it was so evident in that Luna vote!

I gotta admit that it’s pretty funny how our downfall came from being teammate compatible with sig, who was nothing but his usual civ self through and through.

Also, I was lying about my role, but I didn’t know it. I just forgot what my role actually did and thought I was telling the truth.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:12 pm You played well Colin. Before MacDougall came back, I would have voted for Kylemii over you.

I appreciate that. You may have felt useless but your explanation of the breadcrumbs you dropped was the moment I knew without a doubt I was sunk.

Congrats to the town!

I already told speed this, but I had fun and liked the craziness of the set-up. Even though every phase was in some respects me wondering what development or mechanic I had to skirt around now, I felt pretty good about our chances until Mac came back and gave me a good smack. Sorry I couldn’t bring home the bacon, sprit and Luna, but I reaaaaaally couldn’t find a way out of this one.

I think it’s up in a few minutes

Yeah, I’ve never had that. I think I’m gonna help myself to a Guinness or two tonight actually, beer’s on my mind now.

I don’t know if I’ve ever had it. I need to get a batch or two of some summer craft brews while the getting is hot, there’s a really great raspberry one that a local brewery puts out.

If you think I’ve got you fooled, wait until you hear about Epignosis

Maybe.

(Or do I?)

No, I’m definitely town, just don’t have the energy or knowledge to come at this.

I’m having pizza.

What’s everyone having for dinner?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:29 pm tinfoil extreme fear: spacedaisy is mafia and her gun was actually just a regular murder gun and she just mopped the floor with us all

I don’t see it.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:02 pm I can’t reconcile the idea that Epi targeted Juliet’s as him being anything by Doctor. If I put my tinfoil hat on, the best I could come up with there is that my tracker I got was a trickery type item, intended to make him look good. If that’s the case, and the game doesn’t end after Colin dies then I’ll consider Epi. But I highly doubt at this point that he’s bad. I’m fairly certain lunching Colin will end the game.

I don’t know either and I hate it.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

My role really is what I’ve said it is, I just suck at using it

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:58 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:54 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:29 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:34 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:19 am Just shoot me.

You won’t do it
I won't do it because you think I'm too scared, or you think I won't do it because you clustering.

I won't use it on someone unless I am fairly confident in their alignment. Because I don't particularly want to end up dead.

But that is hardly a way to convince me of this sprityo. I'm town, it would be better if you convinced me you are town too. I can see a mafia utility in your role, and I can see how Colin's claims seem weak. I'm leaning you too, but I'm not ruling out Kyle or Epi 100%.
I adamantly believe sprityo is bad. My concern lies in if Colin is bad, would he be able to predict the next election and give himself a double vote for Day 6?

I suppose the way your gun works is that it functions as a free lynch (either your target or yourself).
I am going by the assumption that Colin completely made up his role mechanism actually. Especially given he has apparently failed to predict an election yet. I believe he has a function based on prediction but I don't think he gets a double vote. I think it's more likely that it gets him one shot abilities such as strongarm kills etc.
Just to clear things up, I've never targeted you. The Night you departed I had protected Spacedaisy, beveling that surely one of she, Scotty, or Golden/juliets would be the target.
FYI if anyone has any doubt that Epignosis is town, I think this almost clears it up. There is no reason for a Mafia Epignosis to post this. There's no way for anybody to disprove that he targeted me, so it would be in Mafia Epi's best interest to let me believe there are strongarm kills.

He’s playing you completely Mac. He has no reason to make that post except that it portrays him so strongly as town. I have no idea what he does in reality but I am not bad so it has to be him.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:23 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:20 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:17 pm @ColinIsCool same question
I’m looking at Sprit and Epi, if there are 2.
Well of course you are, sweetie. Whom else is there to look at if nobody gave you a mirror?

Mac’s mother-in-law

If you shoot me, we lose. I don’t know what else I can say to convince you of that but I would really really really hate for the game to end that way.

Wait so is the desperado what got INH?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:17 pm @ColinIsCool same question

I’m looking at Sprit and Epi, if there are 2.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:41 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:23 pm As far as bussing goes I voted also for all those people so I’m not sure why you think Epi wouldn’t do that while I would. If sprit isn’t the last one it HAS to be him.
You also pushed back against their lynches. It's incomparable. Epi drove the bus off a cliff and then set fire to the wreckage.

Can you show me where I “pushed back”? Because I don’t agree with that assessment at all. I feel like the TH business aside I’m pretty much with the rest of town and I’m really confused by this

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:40 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:01 am The points you raised against him I felt were salient and quin did too. But for them to be valid Lapluie must be a civ and he was using her as an easy lynch to buy a day because there is no reason to bus her the way he did. Possible that he just went after the easiest civ lynch that was left, but I don't think she was a civilian based on her interactions with sig and based on POE. There is too much evidence that Epi is town. The suggestion that he bussed his entire team in a game that there's no value in doing that just doesn't stand to reason. Epignosis as scum here would have done what sprityo has tried to do (and tbh what you have tried to do as well) except he would have been far more effective at it. Yes he tinfoiled golden a bit but that is on his civ meta to do so and he never actually got anywhere with it. He got heated with another prominent civ player ... that is par for the course for Epi.

Epignosis might be playing 4D chess in the hopes that someone would make this case. Is it possible? Ehhhh he is a good player yes but it would be just insane to think that he did that.

If you want evidence look at his treatment of sig straight out of the gate, as well as Lunalee and Lapluie. Make a case that they are town because I sure as fuck can't. Now that I am so sure on sprityo you can add his treatment of sprityo to that pile.
You really think lapluie was scum? I have trouble saying confidently myself either way but you feel confident she was?
To be honest no, but it sounds more and more like you know who the scum actually are with posts like this.

I’m just trying to figure out who the scum actually are.

As far as bussing goes I voted also for all those people so I’m not sure why you think Epi wouldn’t do that while I would. If sprit isn’t the last one it HAS to be him.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:01 am The points you raised against him I felt were salient and quin did too. But for them to be valid Lapluie must be a civ and he was using her as an easy lynch to buy a day because there is no reason to bus her the way he did. Possible that he just went after the easiest civ lynch that was left, but I don't think she was a civilian based on her interactions with sig and based on POE. There is too much evidence that Epi is town. The suggestion that he bussed his entire team in a game that there's no value in doing that just doesn't stand to reason. Epignosis as scum here would have done what sprityo has tried to do (and tbh what you have tried to do as well) except he would have been far more effective at it. Yes he tinfoiled golden a bit but that is on his civ meta to do so and he never actually got anywhere with it. He got heated with another prominent civ player ... that is par for the course for Epi.

Epignosis might be playing 4D chess in the hopes that someone would make this case. Is it possible? Ehhhh he is a good player yes but it would be just insane to think that he did that.

If you want evidence look at his treatment of sig straight out of the gate, as well as Lunalee and Lapluie. Make a case that they are town because I sure as fuck can't. Now that I am so sure on sprityo you can add his treatment of sprityo to that pile.

You really think lapluie was scum? I have trouble saying confidently myself either way but you feel confident she was?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:53 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:51 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:48 am If we lynch Sprityo and the game continues then Colin is the last bad guy btw. He's just done a hell of a job to the point where I struggle to build a case on him. Epi is out as a candidate despite that weird shit with the doctor. Kyle looked even better as it pertained to the Lap and Luna lynches.
No sir. Why is Epi out?
I analysed him. He would have to have bussed the entire scum team to be bad based on my deductions. There is no inherent value in bussing in a no flip game. He is 100% not scum.

Who do you have pegged as the scumteam again?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:48 am If we lynch Sprityo and the game continues then Colin is the last bad guy btw. He's just done a hell of a job to the point where I struggle to build a case on him. Epi is out as a candidate despite that weird shit with the doctor. Kyle looked even better as it pertained to the Lap and Luna lynches.

No sir. Why is Epi out?

I get the logic of looking for indies as a scumtell but in this specific case I disagree slightly because TH sussed me the hell out too. I know I’m a bit of a special case but I still feel like we’re lucky he didn’t bomb us or something.

Otherwise that is really solid. I’m definitely gonna dig through the ISO myself if I have the chance this phase (got the day off but I have an appointment about 1.5 hours away so we’ll see)

Sprit is a jack of all trades or something I think

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:39 am Colin, if you are Mafia, well done. You have fooled me.

Maybe next time

*about

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:33 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:33 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:31 am Colin you say you trusted me and picked me one night, you picked me on night one, at what point did you start trusting me?
No I think I picked Epi Night 1 and sorta prodded him but didn’t want to out myself yet. I started trusting you probably right around then. I have tried to stay away from picking people that I didn’t feel decent about since it’d be a kinda win-win if I was right
Sorry, you voted for me night one instead of for sig or Golden. But you picked Epi night one?

Yeah I felt pretty good at him at the start of the game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:31 am Colin you say you trusted me and picked me one night, you picked me on night one, at what point did you start trusting me?

No I think I picked Epi Night 1 and sorta prodded him but didn’t want to out myself yet. I started trusting you probably right around then. I have tried to stay away from picking people that I didn’t feel decent about since it’d be a kinda win-win if I was right

Before EOD. It wouldn’t make sense to submit one during the Night since I could just look at the poll every time

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:27 am That seems unfair. Speedchuck didn't tell you who it randomised to so you don't get a chance to push that direction?

Well, I don’t think he’s awake yet/looking at the site.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:25 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:23 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:20 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:18 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:18 am No Colin you can't win the election tonight, you are caught in PoE.

I'd like to submit Juliets for the Election.

She is universally trusted and unlikely to die since she has no night power to speak of any longer. Which reminds me, if we still have a doctor out there consider me please. II am nearing the end of my usefulness but I have one more trick up my sleeve.
Yeah I know I wouldn’t win lol. Juliets is the smartest choice.
So you have not correctly predicted an election once? Turnip Head found the same conditions so easy he managed to do it within 3 elections.
Yep ... I picked people all on the wrong days I guess. I trusted you and picked you one night, Scotty when I should have said Golden, Epi night 1 I think, just a bunch of guesses really. Don’t know how TH did it aside from rallying everyone to it and them listening.
I am not sure that Turnip Head pushed it much. Every candidate he guessed with the exception of me seemed to naturally get the nod. Are you saying that you predicted yourself tonight? How could you have expected to win this vote given the suspicion of you?

No I totally didn’t predict myself. In fact I forgot to send in my prediction so I don’t know who it randomized to.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:18 am Hmmm food for thought Mac re Colin.

Colin, sorry if I missed this but who is on your potential baddie list at this time?

When Mac asked me for town reads it kinda went in order so it would be sprit, Kyle, and Epignosis. I was skeptical of the town core for a little bit (mostly because of Golden) but it doesn’t make sense to be.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:20 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:18 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:18 am No Colin you can't win the election tonight, you are caught in PoE.

I'd like to submit Juliets for the Election.

She is universally trusted and unlikely to die since she has no night power to speak of any longer. Which reminds me, if we still have a doctor out there consider me please. II am nearing the end of my usefulness but I have one more trick up my sleeve.
Yeah I know I wouldn’t win lol. Juliets is the smartest choice.
So you have not correctly predicted an election once? Turnip Head found the same conditions so easy he managed to do it within 3 elections.

Yep ... I picked people all on the wrong days I guess. I trusted you and picked you one night, Scotty when I should have said Golden, Epi night 1 I think, just a bunch of guesses really. Don’t know how TH did it aside from rallying everyone to it and them listening.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:18 am No Colin you can't win the election tonight, you are caught in PoE.

I'd like to submit Juliets for the Election.

She is universally trusted and unlikely to die since she has no night power to speak of any longer. Which reminds me, if we still have a doctor out there consider me please. II am nearing the end of my usefulness but I have one more trick up my sleeve.

Yeah I know I wouldn’t win lol. Juliets is the smartest choice.

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