The Syndicate

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:23 am I think there’s a low chance of timmer being bad, if at all

Certainly think it’s between Colin and Luna

If I have the time I’ll look between the two of them to see who I dislike more, but for now I’m gonna [VOTE: colin] aubergine

Just to get you started:

Assuming sprit is town (which I think he may be), Colin took confirmed baddie INH and paired him with 5 townies to make his "scum team"

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:24 pm Remaining scum are in this pile: INH, Speed, Sloonei, Quin, Luna, sprit. Objections?

Then there's this. This pings me the most. It's like Colin knows Long Con is bad, and is preparing to use that as a spring board to get me lynched next.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:35 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:27 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:26 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:04 am Long Con is sure being quiet while we try to hash out why he's still alive. Makes him look like a baddie lying low. I revise my rainbow read on him and say he's bad.
If LC is bad, remember this post.
Why? You think we're teammates and I'm bussing him?

How do other people feel about the initial quote?

(I realize theses are out of order, but still)

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:14 am Colin sounds to be genuinely frustrated. I remember someone saying he's usually cool under pressure.

@Lunalee can you point out which post of Timmer that make you think he might be bad? Saw you saying his claim sounds believable but your vote is still on him.

Going to watch Grindelwald tonight ~

I've considered timmer might be bad from process of elim. But looking at his posts he looks town, and I'm moving my vote off him. Perhaps to Colin. Nutella brought up some of his interactions with/about Long Con, and he really doesn't look that great.

[mention]nutella[/mention] what do you think of Poutanko as an option since you've eliminated sprityo and timmer?

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:12 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:58 am
timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:53 am As for bullz... if the baddies aren't necessarily baddies... ugh, I may retract my vouch of bullz. Nova being bad was the centerpiece of my thoughts on that.
If there is even a single reason to believe in this stuff, then it needs to be stated clearly. It would define the entire civilian approach to the game. I have no clue whatsoever why we're talking about this. It's bonkers.
Alright, fuck it. I've been hesitant because I suspect that there is a counterpart to me in the game and I didn't want them to freak out and identify themselves. I'm an odd night vig. I tried to kill bullz night 1. I never considered that I hadbeen blocked, but I saw a kill that didn't happen and a dead BAD nova. I interpreted from the items and spells that bullz must have had the thing that lets you bounce night actions to someone else and he hit nova with it. I further concluded that if bullz was bad he obviously wouldn't have done that. It was the only thing that made sense.

In light of this I could for him.

After realizing I had been blocked I assumed that the mafia had targeted bullz instead because nova was obviously not their target, and somehow nova was dead, and I hadn't killed anyone.

But then another night goes by and another dead baddie ave iI and well hey there is probably an even night version of me and they succeeded yay them.

But now this what if they aren't bad idea, and THEN I realize wait, who the fuck has the second kill night 1 if it wasn't me? And here we are... there must be a third killer of some sort.

But now I'm totally exposed, which sucks, but it's really my own doing.

Idk guys. Does this sound like someone making up a story to you? Maybe I'm just too trusting, but I think Timmer's claim is believable.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:44 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:43 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:20 pm @Lunalee why did you pick DH to check on Night 4? (I think it was night 4)
I thought DH might be scum, and if he was it would be nice to know since he was a pretty strong voice in the thread.
Was there any particular reason you suspected him that you can share?

Part of it was his dogged suspicion of owner, who I knew day 2 was town. DH posted this on day 2:

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:39 pm Gonna be real fun looking through everyone bending over backwards to defend Owner if she flips bad.

And it looked like scum hopping on an easy town wagon.

Also the way DH jumped on my case day 1 and didn't really let up.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:54 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:12 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:19 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:15 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:01 pm Yeah I've gotta be real with yall unless somebody outright fucks up and slips or somebody builds a damn good case, I'll probably default to a no-show as well.
The funny thing with this game is we might get some magnificent ties. Because if you're on a townie lynch that goes through, your house looses 2 points. So especially on day 1 if I don't have a good scum read, I would rather be a single vote on someone who's not going to die.
Oh good someone already fucked up. Thanks Luna :P
This looks juicy. Explain?
Luna is focused more on the House Cup mechanic, like in Firefly with TH and everyone who was so focused on Yun Qui being the best ship that they let themselves lose the game.

Also, how would she know her options are "Town lynch" or "put a random single vote on someone who isn't going to die".

Weak ping but a ping.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:26 pm Alright lads I’ve come down with the flu so I’ve been throwing up all day and feeling like shit.

I’m quite surprised at my rapid wagon, but more surprised people just ignored mac

Oh no! Hope you feel better.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:20 pm @Lunalee why did you pick DH to check on Night 4? (I think it was night 4)

I thought DH might be scum, and if he was it would be nice to know since he was a pretty strong voice in the thread.

Voting Sprityo for now because he just seems most likely to be scum out of who is left.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:16 pm Aw shucky Ducky.

As long as everyone knows I have cop abilities and I continue to survive, I can take suggestions of who to check next.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:10 pm Do either of the two cops that aren't Jack have anything to add lmao.

I checked Kara, so no.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:01 am I really do understand if everybody wants to lynch me, I bungled Jack pretty badly but if you have any direct questions you’d like to ask, shoot

I don't want to lynch you Colin

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:16 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:15 pm Lol remember when jack tried to convince me kara wasn't bad because the mystery vig wasn't killed lol wild.
You’re a liar, too.

Who else is a liar, Jack?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:03 pm Up/Down chances of Jack/Sloonei actually being a team?

You think I got a rigged cop check on Sloonei?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:03 pm For realzies though my teammate(s) probably get vig killed tonight because that’s just the kind of game I’m having.

So Jack, why did you buddy me so hard? I thought we were friends.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:01 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:59 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:58 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:57 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:56 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:55 pm wow, good one DH. So does the Horcrux still protect Jack or was it a one use thing? I'm just super dumb this game.

tons of linki
It protects him until we find his teammate is how I read it.
So what was your thing against Timmer about?
Tone read him as a teammate pissed/confused that Jack got outted.
Well I for one take your suspicion seriously.
Probably because you've known me since I was a wee babe and you personally witnessed the mafia Gods come down from the heavens and bless me as their one true chosen son.

DH I'm glad we hit a baddie, but this was really bad for your ego.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:56 pm That was a pretty good fakeclaim tho rite?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:38 pm Oh shit wait

I thought you wanted Jack to get lynched. Too late to back track now

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:35 pm Moving back to jack what the heck

but why??

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:30 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:28 pm Here's my final thoughts.

1. DH wouldn't do what he did today without a reason.

2. Poutanko had a bad read, yes, but I can tell you that DDL is hazy as fuck about whether some actions worked like you think, so it's plausible.

3. Jack seems to have no unique result to speak of, which is a very convenient sign ofa baddie using thread info for false claims.

And Christ DH, get off of that.
I claimed Sloonei towncheck and Luna towncheck before Luna claimed.

Wait what? You're saying I didn't have to claim today??

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:28 pm no no no, jack and DH contradict

yes, very much so. I know DH is town, but I also want to think Jack is good and DH is mis-reading him

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:26 pm i see luna/jack interchangeable because yknow, cop claims but DH sounds convinced it's jack

not to mention

they ALSO said the other the was lying.

so many lies this game

linki: a teensy bit

linki2: no, jack is my most trustworthy

(yes that is correct)

You think Jack said i was lying and I said Jack was lying? Because that didn't happen.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:20 pm oh right [VOTE: jack] aubergine if that wasnt obvious

linki: look at who's voting poutanko

Colin?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:10 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:08 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:07 pm OK then fuck it lol
I mean we could all switch to MacDougal, who looks pretty scummy to me, and one of the many cops in this game can check Jack tonight. How about that?
You voted for Mac right before all of this happened and any chance at discussion about him got smothered.

What's the quick version of the case against him?

I just remember him jumping into the thread and tying to stir up suspicion on me, and being shut down by Jack. Also he hasn't been super active with any discussions.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:09 pm I volunteer to cop check myself.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:07 pm OK then fuck it lol

I mean we could all switch to MacDougal, who looks pretty scummy to me, and one of the many cops in this game can check Jack tonight. How about that?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:03 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:01 pm I'm very hungry but I also want us to lynch a baddie I'm conflicted.
go eat, we've got this

Actually change your vote to pout then go eat.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:01 pm I'm very hungry but I also want us to lynch a baddie I'm conflicted.

go eat, we've got this

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:57 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:55 pm Still want that explanation from Luna though.
What do you want me to say to you nutella? You already called my targets shit. I chose them because it seemed like a good idea at the time. Take it or leave it.
Please explain what the hell made them seem like a good idea. Why did you choose them

Only if you ask nicely

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:55 pm If Jack were bad, there would be no reason to pretend "cop" me and stick up for me. I'm one of the easiest mislynches he could have pushed

@DharmaHelper then why this? If you look at Jack's posts he very clearly thought I was town and said so.

If Jack were bad, there would be no reason to pretend "cop" me and stick up for me. I'm one of the easiest mislynches he could have pushed

Sorry but I'm switching to Pout

@DharmaHelper I think there's a chance that you've misread Jack. Is that possible?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:50 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:33 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:32 pm Jackofhearts2005 when did you get your town ID on me?
N2
Aight. Why did you check me and luna? What exactly happened in the floo chat with DH?
I checked you cause everyone was all over Owner and I didn’t really get it. Cop peek respolves the issue.

Copped Luna cause she was in my poe and tends to get mislynched. Easy to get her lynched if she’s bad without outting even if DH doesn’t help. Could result in a prevented mislynch if she’s good.

Also checked DH n1 after being ripped to shreds by him in O31 but I got no result. He couldn’t explain that but I let it go. N3, I used a different ability.

As for our floo talk, I explained my strategy, gave my checks and told him the code Kyle and I had come up with prior in floochat.

He said it made sense but maybe I was bad with you or wrong about you (like cloak or misdirection). We shot the shit about CC123 and some other stuff. I have a couple thread reactions cause I didn’t want to stick my neck out on thread. Iirc, it was mostly about Speedchuck’s watch claim, which I ended up basically posting to the thread anyhow.

I really have no idea what he’s talking about me fucking off instead of answering him or my results contradicting other results.

Jack did very obviously state multiple times that I was town.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:48 pm Here’s a question,

If I vote jack, will anyone vote me?

there are 4 already on Jack. You switching your vote will literally save your skin.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:45 pm Lynch Jack, if he flips civ you can lynch whoever you want.

I'm okay with this. You seem so confident and I really hope you're right and aren't missing something.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:32 pm Do not vote Poutanko vote Jack Jack is bad I'm literally going to be nightkilled for this

please tell me what Jack told you his reads were?

honestly maybe we should vote poutanko today. She's the only claimed cop with false reads, right?

@Jackofhearts2005 did you "cop" me?

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:26 pm Ugh now I'm going to get in trouble here at work ffs lol...

DH, tell me ONE FUCKING THING jack said that is wrong? All I'm hearing from you is that you think there can't be 3 cops, and you are ignoring that one of the others has had their claimed results proven false. Tell me SOMETHING beyond just that "there can be only 2 cops". I trust you, but I can't even see a single reason you've listed beyond "he must be lying?"

There can be more than one divination user according to DDL. In the unlikely scenario that three players have it, I would bet that at least one of them is scum, and using it to make fake claims. Either Pout or Jack.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:21 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:19 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:57 pm I'm not buying Luna's claim for the simple reason that her targets are shit. [VOTE: luna] aubergine
Wow, I'm sort of offended by this. This is the first time I've been a cop in a mafia game, and I've been doing my best, okay?
LUNALEE MY DEAR SWEET LUNALEE VOTE FOR JACK WHO IS BAD

Fine, sure, okay.
[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:55 pm Still want that explanation from Luna though.

What do you want me to say to you nutella? You already called my targets shit. I chose them because it seemed like a good idea at the time. Take it or leave it.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:57 pm I'm not buying Luna's claim for the simple reason that her targets are shit. [VOTE: luna] aubergine

Wow, I'm sort of offended by this. This is the first time I've been a cop in a mafia game, and I've been doing my best, okay?

poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:42 pm ...you wot

I asked DDL and it is possible for two people to have divination. That's why I didn't out myself after you claimed

Okay listen up. I have use of the divination spell and here are my results:
N1 - Owner/Sloonei TOWN
N2 - Epi TOWN
N3 - used another ability
N4 - DharmaHelper TOWN

I didn't want to claim already. But it's day 5 and I don't want to knowingly watch a townie get lynched. So @timmer @DharmaHelper @ColinIsCool @Jackofhearts2005 make a better choice and get off Sloonei.

If you need further proof, look at my first rainbow read post. I listed Epi and Owner in dark green, since I had checked them by then.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:30 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:21 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:08 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:54 am If we lynch either Pout or Colin and they flip scum, it will basically confirm the other one guilty
I have no idea what Poutanko’s alignment is, but if you lynch me, don’t take my civ flip as proof of anything but that I’m civ and that you should have listened to me.
Fine.
Question for you, if Sloonei were no longer an option who would you vote for?
Probably you or Sprit. I can easily see a world where Sprit is being bussed by Sloonei right now. Notice that he isn’t self-presing by voting Sloonei.

No. Assuming Sloonei is town, who would you vote for.

[VOTE: MacDougal] aubergine
I keep forgetting about him, and I don't think I've seen any good argument as to why he's town. Anyone else want to weigh in on MacDougal?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:16 pm Luna, I have played a lot of games with you and you were my scummate once upon a time. What does my town play look like? What does my scum play look like? I feel like you get pinged by me constantly and I’m not sure where it comes from.

I don't know how to read you Colin. Mostly you're pinging me now just by process of elimination. I would have to go back and scroll though your old games to remember what your scum/town meta looks like, and I'm not going to do that right now.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:08 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:54 am If we lynch either Pout or Colin and they flip scum, it will basically confirm the other one guilty
I have no idea what Poutanko’s alignment is, but if you lynch me, don’t take my civ flip as proof of anything but that I’m civ and that you should have listened to me.

Fine.
Question for you, if Sloonei were no longer an option who would you vote for?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:07 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:54 am If we lynch either Pout or Colin and they flip scum, it will basically confirm the other one guilty
If Pout is scum why does Colin have to be scum? Pout could have easily given us one bad and one good townie. It just seems too risky for her to be bad and give us a teammate check as good and a town check as bad.

True. The WIFOM is strong in this game.

If we lynch either Pout or Colin and they flip scum, it will basically confirm the other one guilty

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