The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:57 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:42 am I think Lunalee was very smart in her choices.

I didn't appreciate seeing her called out as either scum or stupid for claiming those choices. She played a great game, and Sloonei was in my PM box screaming at everyone who mislynched her because they were too caught up in the tunnel. The cop is always the hardest role to play, and people will always criticize one way or the other. It's your role, always play it how YOU think you should. they'll get a chance to play it their way whenever they should flip cop.
I really didn't mean it to come across like I was criticizing her choices or calling them dumb and I'm sorry it sounded like that @Lunalee -- it's really just that I saw more scum motivation for those checks than civ and could easily rationalize her being bad, not that if she was civ they weren't good checks. I suspected her and analyzed her picks as having a possible scum motivation but now knowing she was a real cop I think they were smart checks.

Thanks nutella.

I thought you played very well too this game. I kept wanting to suspect you, but you were just so town I couldn't bring myself to seriously consider otherwise.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:14 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:13 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:49 pm ima make a sweeping declaration for future meta evaluations and also because that was annoying as heck

I don't lie about my night actions. I don't need to.

I'm GenuQuin
Seconded. Night action claiming got me lynched too just because some people thought what I claimed was stupid, and their logical conclusion was that I must be bad.
I tried so hard

Yes, you did.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:03 pm I really needed to find Jack's partner when we did, otherwise I'dve lost probably.

Glad to have helped you out, bud.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:49 pm ima make a sweeping declaration for future meta evaluations and also because that was annoying as heck

I don't lie about my night actions. I don't need to.

I'm GenuQuin

Seconded. Night action claiming got me lynched too just because some people thought what I claimed was stupid, and their logical conclusion was that I must be bad.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:35 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:28 pm JC gots ta vote.
Sorry I was in the shower but WOWOWOW pout was bad. Nice game @poutanko now get yourself over to A World Asunder and sign up!!

I know right? I won't be able to trust Pout's town game ever again

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] I'm loving your commentary in this game. Please continue

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:25 pm Luna if you are bad you played and outstanding game, and if you are good you played an outstanding game.

Aw, you're so kind.

Would have felt a bit more outstanding if I didn't die.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:20 pm Why are you guys back on Luna after all that.

I'm too juicy of a target.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:16 pm I hope it's Luna otherwise DH is going to reappear immediately post lynch with such a smug I told you so schtick and it will piss me off.

better run now

meh, going back to Pout in case DH has a super-vote ability or something

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:15 pm Okay 7 mins. Any last arguments?

I'm town?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:13 pm If it’s not Luna I might cry.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:10 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:39 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:00 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:39 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:11 pm I looked over Luna's posts in U-Pick and Mega Man (mafia in both). It's difficult to identify any tonal differences with this game. In terms of content, I do observe that in her mafia performances she was inclined toward individualized player analysis, in the forms of large quote compilations, ISOs, or thorough reads lists, in a way that isn't quite as visible here. Her hunting activity is more reactive and less self-constructed.
Luna is definitely reactionary right now. It reminds me of my earlier mafia career where I would freak out once I realized that I was being eyed. But she seems to be flailing with no idea of an overarching goal. Vote bullz. Don't vote bullz. But vote bullz. But maybe Kara. But no bullz... it's dizzying.
This. Her 3 targets that she's focused on, Bullz, Kara, and me, have all been easy suspicions to come by, and mostly feel like her hopping onto easy suspects already mentioned by others. She criticized me for having too few/weak reads, and only providing "commentary" to the thread, while she herself has been guilty of all of that.

I always read willful hypocrisy as a scumtell. Other folks I'd be down to lynching: Glorf, Owner, and maaaaaybe JJJ. Need to read up on all of three of them before I decisively side against them.

[VOTE: lunalee] aubergine
I'd put Owner and Lunalee in the evil box. And maaaaaybe JJJ.
If Lunalee is bad with INH, I don't expect any of those three to be scum too except maybe Jimmy. That's INH saying "Imma distance but these are options I could switch to so I don't have to bus." You could argue he's not serious about Jimmy so just Glor and Owner are townies from this.

That said I townread Luna* so I tend to think it's actually one of Owner, Glorf and Jay that's teamed with INH. If INH is serious about this vote, the other folks bit would include some distancing.

*I do need to reread Sonjei's case on her knowing that it's something he actually believed.

Regardless, there's no more than one wolf in Luna/Glor/Owner.

Is this for an "I told you so" after the lynch? If so, save yourself the embarrassment and put it back in your pocket.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:10 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:09 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:08 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:08 pm wow the fact that Colin got it and likes it looks bad for him
Lol that's clutching.
just giving any input I can before i go
Yeah no I think it could be a valid point. if you flip town that looks pretty bad on him.

CFD Colin?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:09 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:04 am Lunalee says she wouldn't have, rather than didn't have or do not. Wouldn't have. Strange choice of words there. I am sure that if I was making that statement I would have said:

"I don't know about anyone else, but I don't read anything at all into Quin saying that, and the fact that Jay does is a little weird."

or

"I don't know about anyone else, but I didn't read anything at all into Quin saying that, and the fact that Jay did is a little weird."

lol, of course I didn't say "didn't have"

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:08 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:08 pm wow the fact that Colin got it and likes it looks bad for him
Lol that's clutching.

just giving any input I can before i go

wow the fact that Colin got it and likes it looks bad for him

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:06 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:02 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:21 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:10 pm I'm going to have essentially zero time until Tuesday night or Wednesday. While I'm not here y'all best find excuses to do work and not excuses to do fuck all. Epi's recent grumbles are valid.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine, because he said some shit I didn't like earlier. He provided a token response to Epi's dig at juliets which just looked like "this is where I am supposed to interject with this here comment" instead of "this is a problem and I want to address it".
This is the post in question:
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:29 pm juliets and I are not teammates.

There. Go. Find bad guys.
so you know you're on different teams
I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't have read anything at all into Quin saying that, and the fact that Jay did is a little weird.
You know what, I think that this is a scum slip.
Nobody liked this?

I didn't really understand why you thought it was a slip

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:05 pm I am moving to Luna. I just can't stick with pout since she still isn't here.

But really. You guys should probably look closer at a Colin lynch tomorrow

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:03 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:02 pm Everyone back onto Colin yea/nay?
No I like my Lunalee vote. I think it is most likely her for reasons I have progressively outlined all of day 7.

*sigh* okay. I tried.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:01 pm Juliets and Nutella have put themselves well out of scum range during this EOD as they are obviously trying to gamesolve even though they have no pressure.

Lunalee would be doing this either way probably.

Colin and DH are around but just letting things unfold which I don't like. Pout is not around at all.

but pretty sure Pout is in a very different time zone and probably asleep

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:00 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:30 pm From what I have read and analysed in this game holistically I would have Luna as my top choice with much doubt. Colin is still second. Everyone else is tied as tinfoil candidates for me.

Linki: The problem is if I was going to pick someone to defer my vote to you wouldn't be it. This Pout wagon only exists because you tried to save yourself. That alone makes it flawed.
I'm still trying in this game because I'm not dead yet. If I were scum I would have given up by now.
This is the fakest sounding post I have read all game. I am sorry if you are town Luna but no part of me believes this. I am not moving my vote.

Apology accepted.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:58 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:55 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:32 pm Go ahead and lynch me if you want but spend some time this phase looking at other people because when I flip town the numbers are going to be significantly less better for the civs than they were an hour ago.
like would scum Colin say this?
That is an excerpt from "How to Scum by Darth Sloonei". I have six copies.
Yup, I appreciate the cred but this is not a great argument.

Okay, cool. So we should lynch you?

I really should be doing stuff other than mafia rn. But you guys are keeping this too interesting

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:57 pm Of course if your argument is just "I dunno it's hard" or some such then that is your argument and I cannot argue against that.

I personally was hoping you would say that you did it because he was suspecting you but you tried to make it sound like you suspected him. The former would have been a real nice green peek of honesty because I really think that it is why you did it. That you didn't admit that means you have a guilty mind about it.

Can i not have multiple reasons for suspecting someone? I gave you both in thread and apparently you only saw the one you wanted to see to make me out to be scum.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:56 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:55 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:32 pm Go ahead and lynch me if you want but spend some time this phase looking at other people because when I flip town the numbers are going to be significantly less better for the civs than they were an hour ago.
like would scum Colin say this?
my experience is scum would say anything.

so you want to lynch Colin over Pout?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:32 pm Go ahead and lynch me if you want but spend some time this phase looking at other people because when I flip town the numbers are going to be significantly less better for the civs than they were an hour ago.

like would scum Colin say this?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:49 pm Even if Luna is town this Pout wagon is a rush lynch and Pout hasn't even been here to defend. It's pretty characteristic of a mislynch.

If we are counterwagoning it really should be Colin.

But why is Colin scum? He looks town to me. Especially his reaction to almost getting lynched before.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:47 pm INH was the source of most of your doubt during day 2. Why did you not cop check him?

I don't remember my exact thought process. But if Epi had been scum then I would have made a good choice, because we were able to lynch INH anyways. There were too many options for cop checks, and I know you would have probably made completely different choices in my shoes.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:45 pm Luna you voiced no suspicion of Epi during day 2. He did however voiced suspicion of you. In fact you ignored his prods for the most part. You actually had great suspicion of INH on day 2 as well as Bullzeye. Yet you cop checked a player who suspected you rather than you suspect. A suspect that died that very night and flipped mafia btw.

To me this is the best case we have.

Then I wouldn't have accomplished much by checking him if he died before he could get lynched. Believe me, it's not easy choosing who to check each night. Everyone looked guilty to me.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:33 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:30 pm @nutella do a thought exercise please and plan out what you're going to do when I flip town. Who will you go after next?
Pout. Maybe Colin.

I'm still deciding don't worry.

cool, thanks

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:40 pm But then perhaps Epi targeted you with something n3 since he suspected you and the hippogriff killed him.

oh I see.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:39 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:53 am I won't have much time today to post, but you guys really shouldn't lynch me. I'm civilain. I have Divination, Arresto Momentum and Hippogriff. I've used Divination as previously claimed. Night 3 I used Hippogriff to protect myself, and I have yet to use Arresto Momentum. I don't know if this gives anyone any helpful info, but I'm laying it all out in hopes that it changes things. I'm town, and this lynch train on me is stupid.
Oh right you said this I forgot. Hmmmm. Hippogriff could explain a kill but it's also an easy thing to fake claim if you actually killed someone.

how?

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] Also because of this. I know I'm town, and also knew Owner was town at this point.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:24 pm Mafia:

Owner
Lunalee
JJJ

That's a player antipasto.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:32 pm Luna please take me back a ways and explain why you targeted Epi on night 2?

Because I thought he was being careful and quiet and if he was scum no one would realize it for a while.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:32 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:30 pm From what I have read and analysed in this game holistically I would have Luna as my top choice with much doubt. Colin is still second. Everyone else is tied as tinfoil candidates for me.

Linki: The problem is if I was going to pick someone to defer my vote to you wouldn't be it. This Pout wagon only exists because you tried to save yourself. That alone makes it flawed.
I'm still trying in this game because I'm not dead yet. If I were scum I would have given up by now.
Why would you have?

I'm less forceful as scum. And have more of a "you've got me" attitude when I get cornered.

This day has come down to seven very town looking players, but we know one is scum. You all should know that my town game is not pretty. I always come out looking a bit strange, and end up getting lynched. My cop role claim has let me last this long, but when I'm up against six other very good looking players, it makes since to lynch me. I get it. But just understand that it is not the right choice here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:30 pm From what I have read and analysed in this game holistically I would have Luna as my top choice with much doubt. Colin is still second. Everyone else is tied as tinfoil candidates for me.

Linki: The problem is if I was going to pick someone to defer my vote to you wouldn't be it. This Pout wagon only exists because you tried to save yourself. That alone makes it flawed.

I'm still trying in this game because I'm not dead yet. If I were scum I would have given up by now.

[mention]nutella[/mention] do a thought exercise please and plan out what you're going to do when I flip town. Who will you go after next?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:27 pm I am not saying Luna is a great lynch either really but if you are weighing up their two major civ ticks I see Luna's as more scum compatible despite what it seems on the surface.

Though to be quite honest I am not sure enough about anyone here to decide this lynch. I wouldn't put a single scum read at more than maybe 20 percent confidence. Given that I will vote consensus eventually as long as everyone really has all the cards laid out as opposed to what amounts to a CFD.

then trust me on this one and vote pout

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:25 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:20 pm Ummm idk finding the scum motivation for that is about as easy as finding the scum motivation for Luna's sloonei reveal.
Saving a civ as scum is, again, not that weird. Especially if you have divination and want to hard claim it and be trusted for it without bodying a teammate. Need I remind you that Sloonei died pretty soon after as well.
Mmmmm.......

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:23 pm @MacDougall I understand your skepticism, but literally every other player has done things/claimed things that make them look town. There's a scum here playing a very good game, and we're going to have to see past it.
...hmmmmmm.

[VOTE: luna] aubergine

The heck? I thought you were finally seeing reason. I AM NOT SCUM.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] I understand your skepticism, but literally every other player has done things/claimed things that make them look town. There's a scum here playing a very good game, and we're going to have to see past it.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:11 pm Luna's post re: Jack's point about Colin and Pout is a good find but what are you guys saying the strongest point against Pout is?

Just POE. What specifically makes her town-firmed? I'm coming up short and finding more that incriminates her.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:36 am @Quin @Sloonei

What do you think of my assertion that Colin can only be mafia if Pout is mafia and even then, it requires Pout to play in a needlessly risky fashion?

Furthermore, if this is the case, that’s probably the mafia. Pout and Colin. Your other suspects are all town.

Does this affect your scumread on Colin at all? Is a Pout/Colin scumteam plausible to you?

Anyone else who suspects Colin but is Pout agnostic or pro Pout should answer this question.

This is beautiful WIFOM. If Jack expected us to lynch Colin first, then he just town-cleared Poutanko with this post. Unfortunately for him, Jack flipped first.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:52 pm I have a really important question that everyone should answer

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:17 pm I'm kinda taking for granted here that Epi wasn't killed because Luna or Colin was specifically worried about him. Epi wasn't really making waves in the thread. If I was in Luna or Colin's shoes as scum, I wouldn't be scured enough to kill him.

Is this WIFOM or TMI? In other words, does this post make it look more like Luna or Colin is Jack's teammate or less?

Jack's post is confusing, and at this point I sort of think Colin is town, so I don't know what Jack was trying to get at if we're both town.

linki nutella, you said what i was thinking

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:49 pm But Jack wanted to lynch poutanko before I dunked on him tho is the thing

No, he wanted to lynch Sloonei. Once you outed him, he had no choice but push the vote onto another cop claimer. Clever if he meant to do it the way it turned out. I'm town, and Jack kept sticking up for me. What if Poutanko is his teammate and he bussed her for the cred, knowing she would flip scum?

Examining [mention]poutanko[/mention]'s votes. Two days look a bit weird:
Day 3 she was the single voter of speedchuck while the rest of us tied up Glorf and Long Con.

Day 4 joined the "what if" wagon on speedchuck while the rest of us lynched INH

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:44 pm It ain't gonna do fuck all but I'll vote Mac sure.

no wait. vote Poutanko

What if Poutanko v. Jack was scum v. scum?

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