The Syndicate

Personally, I believe Turnip Head deserves more votes. They did a very good job of hiding their spew.

However tied votes are resolved, that information ought to be public.

It is Hammer Time.

Epignosis-speedchuck-TSP

In your opinion, what is the best way to cook an egg?

yes, we certainly need to hammer epignosis before deadline.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:26 pm Epignosis currently has three votes: Long Con, speedchuck, and ts account.

His teammates want this day to be over more than the civilians do.

This is probably the correct read. I cannot help but be worried about Tony but it certainly does no good worrying about it today, in my mind.

I am lynching epignosis. That is where I am. Tomorrow, I am leaning towards lynching speedchuck, but the strange case with Tony has made me want to re-evaluate tomorrow anyway.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:33 pm Who gives a crap?

...Well, I do.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:33 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:30 pm Then I do not want to play this game yet...
Why not? What's to lose? It's a post with names in it.

I could be wrong.

Then I do not want to play this game yet...

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:26 pm If y'all had to give a final answer right now for the team of three, who ya got?

Can I give two?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:08 pm Maybe this was all a lesson from Nanook that he's been right all along that if we have firmly decided on a confirmed scum lynch we should just take the hammer and that further discussion time just leads to confusion and opportunity for mafia to screw us up. :goofp:

There is a sweet spot. You can definitely miss out on meaningful discussion, but not hammering after the thread has drawn its course can lead to problems.

I believe the world we are in is one in which finding Desmond is the only winning line Mafia have. Therefore, I suggest we continue with the Epignosis lynch, and if we lose in the night I will take responsibility. We cannot play around scum Tony if they are telling the truth here unless we lynch them, and I personally believe that is not the course of action we should take.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:49 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:48 pm LOL ok I'm a bit confused. Tony says his role is to kill Desmond. He targets a player every odd night, and if they're Desmond, then they die. No?
No, he said that he kills the role and he doesn't have to know who they are. If he's not lying about this, it's a very broken role.
I really don't think it's that good

It is more broken in the sense that it is nonfunctional.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:27 pm oooooooooooh, what if tony wants to know who desmond is because they have to know who's desmond to kill them?

we have mechanics like that on ffr

...I just said that.

Here is what I think.
Tony is mafia, and their kill is not tied to killing Raymond, but will kill somebody if they are Raymond. This is possibly mafia's only out to not be chain lynched, and so Tony made a last ditch effort to find Raymond to win tonight. Is this plausible?

What does linki: mean, by the way? I have seen it a lot and I can not imagine what it could represent.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:03 pm I have doubts that the claim is even true, so that threat rings hollow.

It is even possible that Epignosis is the scum with the second kill, and Tony is outting to save them. There is too much uncertainty around Tony to comfortably lynch them instead of Epignosis.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:59 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:38 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:34 pm Note that, if Desmond is town, wolves achieve parity.
note that the only way this can be stopped if I’m scum is by lynching me over Epi.
uh
hm

Unfortunately after thinking about this I think we are still forced to lynch Epignosis today.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:55 pm could you tell us your secondary abilities tsp?

Yes. At this point, trying to hide the rest of your role will not help town prepare in the night.

JJJ- do you think it is time for a massclaim, then? Given... all this.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:45 pm Without actually claiming your roles, I have a general question:

Does anyone else out there have a role that made them question how it can even make mechanical sense -- i.e. even using it would potentially screw you?

Not exactly, but my role is exceptionally underwhelming, to the point where I do not really understand what purpose it has.

To me it reads like a fake claim from a player with a lack of understanding of the current game state and other claimed powers, but... There is always that bothersome "why?"

This game just got difficult.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:36 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:34 pm Note that, if Desmond is town, wolves achieve parity.
you're gonna have to explain this one man

It is currently 4:3. After today, it will be 4:2. If Desmond is both town and not the wolf kill, two townies die (2:2).
TonyStarkPrime asking people to character claim is in fact explicitly anti town, as far as I can tell.

Note that, if Desmond is town, wolves achieve parity.

Deeeesmond the Moon Bear.

It is better for you to out the character name you are able to kill, then have everybody claim "Not this character" if we decide you are town.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:23 pm See JJJ's post for how it works. Not revealing the name because I have time and want to think through all possibilities.

I believe you should share the name you have.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:20 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:18 pm Tony, who did you kill Night 1?
I have 1 character.
They are not dead yet. Therefore I have killed no one.

Maybe I do not understand how your role works. You have a given character name and you have the ability to kill them whenever?
What is the character name?

Tony, who did you kill Night 1?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:48 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:02 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:58 pm Coffee? Pathetic. Real men start their mornings with A&W (tm) Root Beer, fresh from the tap.
root beer is actually the worst soda ever

a close second is dr pepper

beer tastes better than root beer, and beer isn't supposed to even taste good
definitely scum

Now I see you are lolcatting as well.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:08 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:01 pm i'm gonna design a mafia game where players need to communicate via pheromones.
cumming soon
Wtf this is from a year ago and I didn't know it existed. Foul. There are children on this website. :disappoint:
How do you think they got here?

I spit out my root beer.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:58 pm Wagonomics is terrible.

Equity is terrible.

EV is terrible.

Sticking an exclamation mark into a two-word phrase to indicate a hypothetical e.g. scum!JJJ is terrible.

"____ is always mafia here" is terrible.

WIM is terrible.

Lingo is terrible.

Mafia is a terrible game, so I see no problem with this.
Due to wagonomics, Epignosis is always mafia here. We have higher EV from lynching them over any player with partner equity.
I agree with the exclamation point thing, that always has struck me as weirdly over-the-top.

Coffee? Pathetic. Real men start their mornings with A&W (tm) Root Beer, fresh from the tap.

Things? As in, you have given other players items?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:46 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:45 pm Sorry I did not refresh in time. But yes, you mentioned it in the thread. If you had not, how would I have known you had an apple? Unless we were scumbuds...
I have reason to believe the mafia team was aware of the apple before I used it.

Clearly they are not as Tony just said what apple ;)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:44 pm If ts account wants Sloonei to be a mafioso so bad it hurts, then ts account is a civilian.

This is subject to interpretation, obviously. So: interpret.

If there is room for me to be right, then I will squeeze right in there.

Sorry I did not refresh in time. But yes, you mentioned it in the thread. If you had not, how would I have known you had an apple? Unless we were scumbuds...

Okay, so Tony is likely not referring to the apple here then. Rats.

And did they know the apple was a kill?

When exactly was Sloonei given the apple?

Is that actually a slip?

Maybe Jay and nutella decided to prank us by saying we are in lylo, when there really are only three wolves, for some reason. That would not be too unusual, I think.

I have no clue how that translates to somebody being a wolf, but hey, it is certainly a thing that exists.

Tony, somewhere: "So clearly we should lynch speedchuck instead of Epignosis/Funnygurl!"

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:54 am
ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:52 am epignosis- Potential for a scum mechanic to exist that gave funnygurl false results. Could actually be a traitor or something of the sort.
Funnygurl- Dunked on a (all but guaranteed) wolf, has had genuinely towny tone all game.
Long Con- The self vote as a counterwagon to a town flip is all kinds of unlikely to come from scum, and speedchuck came in day 2 hard tunneling them.
Sloonei- mechanically confirmed town. If sloonei was a wolf, they could have used the given vigshot to achieve parity.
speedchuck- They like, have a page of posts that showed they were trying, for that page.
TonyStarkPrime- Their day 1 was unassuming but comfortable.
ts account- Has behavioral associatives that prevent them from being linked to any other potential wolf in the game.

I do not know if I fully did this right but I saw what you folks were doing.
You've done it right so far. The last step is reflecting on which of these reads you believed in the most, and which you believed in the least?

I found the speedchuck line to be laughable at best. Epignosis' argument was better than that. My best argument is for sloonei.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:48 am
ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:42 am I have signatures disabled. (As well as avatars, emotes, and image embeds.) What is it?
First of all how do you read anything/distinguish who posted at a quick glance, second of all and more important you are so missing out on our amazing emotes

I have dyslexia but for pictures. So it is easier for me to tell who is who by tone or by glancing at their username.

epignosis- Potential for a scum mechanic to exist that gave funnygurl false results. Could actually be a traitor or something of the sort.
Funnygurl- Dunked on a (all but guaranteed) wolf, has had genuinely towny tone all game.
Long Con- The self vote as a counterwagon to a town flip is all kinds of unlikely to come from scum, and speedchuck came in day 2 hard tunneling them.
Sloonei- mechanically confirmed town. If sloonei was a wolf, they could have used the given vigshot to achieve parity.
speedchuck- They like, have a page of posts that showed they were trying, for that page.
TonyStarkPrime- Their day 1 was unassuming but comfortable.
ts account- Has behavioral associatives that prevent them from being linked to any other potential wolf in the game.

I do not know if I fully did this right but I saw what you folks were doing.

I have signatures disabled. (As well as avatars, emotes, and image embeds.) What is it?

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