The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:24 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:22 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:18 pm Mafia need to do more than get mislynches to win Dragomir they also need to prevent their own. Avoiding civ wagons is a good way to do just that. A civ wagon that forms incorrectly is almost always formed by civilians. It's the ones avoiding it that I look at. Invariably people immediately pick through the people that form the wagon to look for bad guys which Creature himself did already ironically.

I get what you mean here. It would be bad if they're avoiding the lynch BUT, if a player is actively trying to get a new wagon formed and completely stop the progress of another lynch cause they believe it's a mislynch(and it really is) then I find it hard to believe that the person is mafia.

The Mafia player has no choice but to make their counterwagon building look sincere. Why wouldn't they try hard to create a counterwagon? The sweet spot is looking like you're trying hard but the original lynch goes off anyway.

Anyway conjecture. Let's await the Creature flip.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:18 pm Mafia need to do more than get mislynches to win Dragomir they also need to prevent their own. Avoiding civ wagons is a good way to do just that. A civ wagon that forms incorrectly is almost always formed by civilians. It's the ones avoiding it that I look at. Invariably people immediately pick through the people that form the wagon to look for bad guys which Creature himself did already ironically.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:13 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:09 pm The only way Nutella and I are mafia is if Creature is mafia as well. Like if Creature is town, then we can't be mafia as I find it bullshit that mafia would try to stop a mislynch and start a new wagon. That makes no sense. Mafia needs to get mislynches, and they just stop one for town cred? Nonsense.

Call this wifom, I don't care.

So you think Mafia don't attempt to cash in on civwagons by refuting them? Never before seen that?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:06 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:02 pm Can't believe how quiet an end of the day that was though. Bizarre.

Well we can agree on that. It is weird that creature went silent and never defended himself, maybe you are right about him after all and he gave up

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 2:51 pm Meh, stupid website.

[VOTE: Dr. Wilgy] aubergine

What say you, sir?

Rej wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 2:18 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 2:07 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:19 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:39 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:53 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:51 am I'm a little concerned about how easy of a lynch creature seems to be rn. The low level of conversation/lack of anyone objecting makes me wonder if he's a mislynch and the real scum are sitting back contented with it.

Same here, that's why I expect people to switch and I am ready to switch once there is information, as I will actively check the thread the upcomming 6 hours and people will for sure build a case on the lynch. Who initiated it was it MacDougall?

Wait, so you're just going to sheep?

Rej is scum #2.

So are you going to answer my question or naw. Your play this game has seriously been scummy.

behave
I am not sheeping, I dislike the play of certain people (Mac) and don't bring up the stuff from N1.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:26 pm Oh yeah, I definitely see a scum in Long Con here. His posts last DP lacked any real substance and game solving. They were flat posts that didn't do anything to move the cart(make town progress in getting scum). He's way too agreeable with everything imo, especially with Creature. Makes it even worse as I believe scum wants this lynch to happen and he's fitting the bill of that scum.

Lastly, his iso on Sabie felt fake, forced and disingenuous. It was like "let me iso the person everybody suspects so it looks like I have actual reads and I ain't just sheeping."

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Rej wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:19 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:39 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:53 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:51 am I'm a little concerned about how easy of a lynch creature seems to be rn. The low level of conversation/lack of anyone objecting makes me wonder if he's a mislynch and the real scum are sitting back contented with it.

Same here, that's why I expect people to switch and I am ready to switch once there is information, as I will actively check the thread the upcomming 6 hours and people will for sure build a case on the lynch. Who initiated it was it MacDougall?

Wait, so you're just going to sheep?

Rej is scum #2.

Rej wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:53 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:51 am I'm a little concerned about how easy of a lynch creature seems to be rn. The low level of conversation/lack of anyone objecting makes me wonder if he's a mislynch and the real scum are sitting back contented with it.

Same here, that's why I expect people to switch and I am ready to switch once there is information, as I will actively check the thread the upcomming 6 hours and people will for sure build a case on the lynch. Who initiated it was it MacDougall?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:51 am I'm a little concerned about how easy of a lynch creature seems to be rn. The low level of conversation/lack of anyone objecting makes me wonder if he's a mislynch and the real scum are sitting back contented with it.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:22 pm [VOTE: long con] aubergine he was too eager to join in Mac's party

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:15 pm This lynch is look too easy.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:02 pm Great there's definitely scum in here:

Rej, Oreki, Dragomir, DrWilgy, Long Con, MacDougall

atleast we don't need to go elsewhere for today.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:54 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:51 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:49 am And I don't think there's a janitor it's just usually standard on our site for nks not to flip.

Why do you guys do that?

Old ways. I think it makes more sense and adds a bit more mystery/sleuthing work to the gameplay

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:49 am And I don't think there's a janitor it's just usually standard on our site for nks not to flip.

Rej wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:48 am

SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:19 pm So I find myself in a quandary. Sorry this conversation stood out to me for the overnight. I'm still looking into the other post but wanted to get my thoughts out.

I still have my reservations about Creature but this conversation with Rej and Dragon has pulled my focus. The entire thing unfolded rather interestingly to me. I don't feel like anything was resolved aside from a bunch of accusations being tossed about.

Rej professes and says he's new to the game, how true is this? He started out the game making posts that would lend to that effect. The post about not knowing where the "voting" thing is. Questions about mechanics and such. But then this showed up:

Rej, you've played multiple games with me where I just out of the blue stated that I am town. I flipped town in all of them. Also, you've never questioned me doing this nor thought of it as a scum tactic so I'm not sure what you're doing here.

- said by Dragon to Rej

While I'm sure there are differences in mechanics between sites I feel like this kind of shines a light that you know more about the game than your trying to portray.

Dragon came in like a wrecking ball a couple of times. I mean his first post in the game right of the gate was to vote for Rej. (You two got a bone to pick with one another?) but without any context. But then played it off in his next vote for Rej. But hardly any activity before this? You made no case, you didn't ask questions. Just bam, voted rej. Not going to quote that ball of mess that was your back and forth with him, but you finally came out and started giving reasons but you slammed him hard for semi-trivial posts. I get that he's new, and could be using that as a crutch against us. But I feel like this is an axe to grind and maybe not even a legit game mechanic. I feel like your posts went literally no where, just posturing and name calling. And then they just ended. Abruptly.

You both were pretty silent early on in the game for whatever reason, and then Bam the conversation to end all conversations. So I feel like all of that was either for our benefit in some way, you two teaming up to try and make yourself look good as bad people, or Rej is playing "New" while he's not and or he is actually new and was caught off guard and put back on his heels and went hard into that conversation out of a misguided attempt to defend himself and got baited or your both Townies just posturing I'm really confused by this conversation because there was a lot of other themes brought into it.

I don't have a full opinion just yet, but it certainly makes me curious about the two of you. I don't really know the two of you or your play style with only 4 games under my belt now.

Hello to my defense: I only played on ONE forum right now, while I know Dragomir and Oreki and others (Juliet and more) do play on multiple platforms. I went into this forum with the promise of meeting experienced and crazy players having next level plays etc. That's why I consider myself "new" even tho I am experienced. I also stated it that I have already some experience. I play mafia totally for...some months I dont know, maybe 3 maybe 4. So yeah...that's all, I just try to make next level plays (what I consider myself next level play), go into depth and find stuff out etc.
Me vs Drago was just because of comfort, I was a comfortable target for Drago, he almost knew how I would react when he nitpicks me and our discussion faded off because as I understand it, it's not healthy to focus way too much on it, so glad you are here and objectively add your opinion to it.

I still can't trust Mac and Drago this game. But at this point my assumption is correct or am I paranoid?

Rej wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:42 am [VOTE: CREATURE] aubergine

This DP is low on reads I figured out, it also just started so it's fine. I reread the beginning of the last DP up to the middle and then scrolled the end.
I understand the reasoning behind Creature's vote. And I go along with it in hope that it might become more dynamic.

I also totally townread birdwithteeth11 after rereading because he actually tried to do more game solving than anyone else and he is not agressive enough to be scum.

Also the nightkill has been janitored? Do I see it correctly?

Also I must say that Oreki is also experienced as me, even more I guess.
I got quoted brb.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 5:39 pm good LORD please stop with the long ass quote pyramids

Literally there's no need it's just fucking obnoxious

SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:23 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:52 am

SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:25 pm Kylemii's - Thank you for that information. Buy why not come out with that from the get go? Why did it have to be coaxed out of you? Shouldn't you open with that instead of just dropping a random vote and an obscure note?

Why is it such a bid deal for you over how he presented his read on Creature? Is this some indirect worry and defense to your scum buddy? Though you did vote Creature up later on so hmm.

I was trying to understand his method. I look at someone who just drops a vote on someone with high suspicion when they don't explain it. It looks like a fishing expedition but clearly they have a reason. OR at least I think they should. I guess the way I play is more deliberate, I only vote when I feel I'm certain. With the exception of day 1 and 2, because were still feeling things out.

Also, you have to ask questions to get a response in order to get a read. Or you can just lurk in the background and hope your questions are answered by someone else stepping up to cause a ruckus.

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:48 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:45 pm Rej is >rand town

What does ">rand" mean?

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:51 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:33 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:20 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 12:45 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:54 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:33 am

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:24 am

PEPE
You pick on something that has already been resolved, Juliet hinted to me that people use to do it on this forums, another guy said it's ok because of lie detectors. It's all reasonable. It's similair to I/G and how it's purpose is completely unrelevant. Tbh I evolve I rly dislike how certain stuff is done.
That guy literally entered, townclaimed not only himself, but also the others. This fact was involved in my casemaking. He then left off and we almost never came back to that topic. And you tell me you don't find it sus?

I tell you why your move was bad from my perspective: You make a case on another case, you nitpick me but don't make a parallelcase on Mac? Cmon dude a mafiaplayer can do better. Why are you tunneling on me just because I do something new? You know for yourself that I try out new things and new approaches every game, I even told it to you when we chatted after I left the Hogwarts game. You Sir, what you are doing is obviously tunneling and you protect Mac. And that right now is not professional. BEHAVE SON!

Already been resolved doesn't change how bad it was. The meta or reasoning for what Mac did is irrelevant to what I'm talking about. Yes, it's similar to I/G so you know him saying I am town means nothing so why in Jesus were you trying to make it a big deal.

Nope. Nothing wrong with that. I've seen worse on OJ not being called out for so why is this even a bid deal. I do not care about how bad you're finding my case against you was. That is absolutely irrelevant to my entire. I just want you to explain to me why you're making a big deal out of something trivial especial when I've done shit like that as town and you never questioned it. You keep dodging actually addressing this point and defending yourself properly. All of this is irrelevant as fuck and just stalling. I don't know why the hell I should be making a parallel case on Mac when I'm coming at you for how you're coming at him. That makes no damn sense.

So what Rej? I don't care if I'm chainsaw defending Mac. All I want you to do is address my original. All this is meaningless and just a bunch of whatever. It's so irrelevant to what I want to get across. You want to call my play unprofessional when you're literally hopping, ducking, and dodging my actually point and trying to talk about something irrelevant.

As said you are tunneling and overread multiple paragraphs from me. I will tell it a last time: He not only called himself town but also all others from the lynch-nerfed players and then he disappeared. And you tell me it's not worth making a case?

About claiming oneself town:
Okay you got me but your reasoning is totally shit. You should have went after me like this: No role-claiming is allowed, which means invest roles can't tell us their results and won't be able to discuss them. It is my bad I realized it later on, but actually saying oneself is town is only profitting a lie detector and seriously I played over 20 mafia games or so and saw the lie detector only once in a one-shot version. So at this point it is not rly my fault, maybe one of my reasonings against mac wasn't that perfect, but dude I achieved my goal. I contributed, other people also went for it. I don't have to justify myself more. I have already been mislynched for trying out new approaches and behaving out of my own meta and that's actually my goal, having NO META at all, just playing mafia and sometimes you gotta use your gut feeling in combination with your aspects to start off something. So how long do you want to pick on me? You won't find a single slip just defense and genuiness.

Nope. I honestly do not care about what he did as there wasn't much wrong in it.

I don't even what in Jesus name this big ass paragraph is. So again, address my point and explain to me why you came after Mac the way you did because your entire read on him is trivial and a lot of has been done on OJ, but you never questioned the ppl there.

Stop this bullcrap bruh and give me the behave emoji now!
And I explained myself, can you please show who the heck on OJ did townclaim himself and others (based on results of misdeciding via mechanics) without further reasoning it? Please the heck tell me...I found it distracting, that's all. I found the whole townclaiming distracting, because of the lack of information he gave together with it.

Me.

How in bloody name is that distracting? This is literally just like the I/G nitpick. Ppl not doing it is nothing big but of course it's sus for something and they want to say you're wasting town's time. Only ppl wasting town's time are those attacking it, just like you're doing here. It's not distracting, just leave it alone. It bothers NOBODY.

Dude he claimed himself and the others town without a guarantee. Going into DP like "I am civilian, everyone have a nice game." is totally fine. But he came with a list and other players name. He involved others into his town claiming. And if noone would have mentioned it that person would have just totally go invisible. I had multiple reasons like not having the case of a person going invisible once that person enters the DP. It is quite townish from my side to keep discussion up without an agressive push.
Your tunneling on me is still overly agressive. Or either I am autistic enough to get distracted by that guy. Then I sincerly apologize for my autism behaviour.

Anyway our future is bright Drago I love it.

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:20 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 12:45 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:54 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:33 am

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:24 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:14 am

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:03 am Gosh Drago are you acting so tardy because you are scum? I know this kind of ego of yours, you used it when we swiped town in Novas One Piece game.
First of all Drago I wanted to relax on you, and I wanted to be genuinly cooperative.

So, did you see me going overly agressive against Mac? No, I just brought up a topic and if you have read the other pages, then you see that other people also had similair reads. I think there was nothing off of my play there, nor did I slip, FOS, WIFOM or fluff in any way. I wasn't stealthy and I have nothing to hide, while being in a new enviroment. I am genuine.

But let's go back to you and compare you to me:
Last minute jump, nitpicks on me, while for 100% sure you haven't cought up with the whole thread. That is absolutely unprofessional and clumsy and this should lower the credibility of any argumentation of yours against me.

Tbh I even didn't do anything great...to summarize:
- a bit of gamesolving
- pointing out a case/questioning a person
- some game related quotebacks

Sry for being new, but heck what's going on with you, the way you approach me (even before the game started) was so scummy. So either you wanna test me or you rly push against me because you know I am not scum and probably "newish". As one of my mentors it is not clever to waste energy and your own authenticity to just instajump on me. If this has been your plan all along, then thank you for training me.

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________///

So one town is down it's not a dilemma but I think real scum can be read through the pushes at the end of D1, at this point I rly NEEEEED to reread it multiple times because that way I get to know you guys better. (Note: I just came back from work, went sleep -> work, just to justify my 16 hr absence)

Are you purposely trying to ignore what I'm coming at you for?

I don't care about FoS, ego, aggressiveness fluff, WIFOM none of that shit. You were coming at Mac for something that was trivial and you've seen others do before but never done anything like this. You know damn well him calling himself town is not a big deal but you were trying to make it seem like it was. Only like one person shared a similar read.

You think I give a shit of whatever "last minute" jump I did? I didn't even know the DP ended, I just saw your posts and had to comment in it. By any means it does not lower my credibility in my argument.

Rej, I just love how you try justifying your play as townish completely ignoring the entire point of my questioning against you. You straight dodged when I hit you with and tried talking about stuff that don't even matter. You gotta do better.

Don't even try to act like you being a new player to the forum has anything to even do in this conversation. You know damn well it ain't.

PEPE
You pick on something that has already been resolved, Juliet hinted to me that people use to do it on this forums, another guy said it's ok because of lie detectors. It's all reasonable. It's similair to I/G and how it's purpose is completely unrelevant. Tbh I evolve I rly dislike how certain stuff is done.
That guy literally entered, townclaimed not only himself, but also the others. This fact was involved in my casemaking. He then left off and we almost never came back to that topic. And you tell me you don't find it sus?

I tell you why your move was bad from my perspective: You make a case on another case, you nitpick me but don't make a parallelcase on Mac? Cmon dude a mafiaplayer can do better. Why are you tunneling on me just because I do something new? You know for yourself that I try out new things and new approaches every game, I even told it to you when we chatted after I left the Hogwarts game. You Sir, what you are doing is obviously tunneling and you protect Mac. And that right now is not professional. BEHAVE SON!

Already been resolved doesn't change how bad it was. The meta or reasoning for what Mac did is irrelevant to what I'm talking about. Yes, it's similar to I/G so you know him saying I am town means nothing so why in Jesus were you trying to make it a big deal.

Nope. Nothing wrong with that. I've seen worse on OJ not being called out for so why is this even a bid deal. I do not care about how bad you're finding my case against you was. That is absolutely irrelevant to my entire. I just want you to explain to me why you're making a big deal out of something trivial especial when I've done shit like that as town and you never questioned it. You keep dodging actually addressing this point and defending yourself properly. All of this is irrelevant as fuck and just stalling. I don't know why the hell I should be making a parallel case on Mac when I'm coming at you for how you're coming at him. That makes no damn sense.

So what Rej? I don't care if I'm chainsaw defending Mac. All I want you to do is address my original. All this is meaningless and just a bunch of whatever. It's so irrelevant to what I want to get across. You want to call my play unprofessional when you're literally hopping, ducking, and dodging my actually point and trying to talk about something irrelevant.

As said you are tunneling and overread multiple paragraphs from me. I will tell it a last time: He not only called himself town but also all others from the lynch-nerfed players and then he disappeared. And you tell me it's not worth making a case?

About claiming oneself town:
Okay you got me but your reasoning is totally shit. You should have went after me like this: No role-claiming is allowed, which means invest roles can't tell us their results and won't be able to discuss them. It is my bad I realized it later on, but actually saying oneself is town is only profitting a lie detector and seriously I played over 20 mafia games or so and saw the lie detector only once in a one-shot version. So at this point it is not rly my fault, maybe one of my reasonings against mac wasn't that perfect, but dude I achieved my goal. I contributed, other people also went for it. I don't have to justify myself more. I have already been mislynched for trying out new approaches and behaving out of my own meta and that's actually my goal, having NO META at all, just playing mafia and sometimes you gotta use your gut feeling in combination with your aspects to start off something. So how long do you want to pick on me? You won't find a single slip just defense and genuiness.

Nope. I honestly do not care about what he did as there wasn't much wrong in it.

I don't even what in Jesus name this big ass paragraph is. So again, address my point and explain to me why you came after Mac the way you did because your entire read on him is trivial and a lot of has been done on OJ, but you never questioned the ppl there.

Stop this bullcrap bruh and give me the behave emoji now!
And I explained myself, can you please show who the heck on OJ did townclaim himself and others (based on results of misdeciding via mechanics) without further reasoning it? Please the heck tell me...I found it distracting, that's all. I found the whole townclaiming distracting, because of the lack of information he gave together with it.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 12:55 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 12:50 pm

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 12:42 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:22 am

Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:02 pm MacDougall, sabie12, Sokoth, maybe indiglo if we decide to follow Epi.

Am fine doing any of these.

A pretty big salad here. I'm surprised nobody called him out for it, at least from what I've read, since salads are an apparent scum tell in this forum.

I'll fully read the thread when I wake up.

I saw you reference a salad quote and went back to find it. I understood the sabie and indiglo (not as much) ones, but the other 2 baffled me. I mean, I guess MacDougall was kind of absent in the sense that indi was too, but then why not just include all people who were pretty absent for D0 and D1? Sokoth still feels weird to me, since I'm reading him neutrally right now.

I'll give you a tip of the hat for sure. This looks much more interesting in hindsight now.

Wait, why are you trying to explain his player salad for him?

I'm not doing it for him. I'm doing it for myself and explaining why I was thinking the way I was thinking when I made this post:

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:12 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:02 pm MacDougall, sabie12, Sokoth, maybe indiglo if we decide to follow Epi.

Am fine doing any of these.

I would be fine with sabie12 or indiglo. Why Sokoth or MacDougall though?

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 12:35 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:29 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:24 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:22 am

Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:02 pm MacDougall, sabie12, Sokoth, maybe indiglo if we decide to follow Epi.

Am fine doing any of these.

A pretty big salad here. I'm surprised nobody called him out for it, at least from what I've read, since salads are an apparent scum tell in this forum.

I'll fully read the thread when I wake up.

indeed, good catch. I will have to reread how that EOD went down to decide how I feel about creature. I don't know much about him as a player so I may have initially given him a bit too much credit just for high volume of participation. I think something fishy might have gone down with the counterwagons at the end there but again I'll have to reread to figure out what the dynamics were.

Or how about this tinfoil? You're scum buddies with him so you ignored it on purpose?(I'm not being serious with this). Though you might be if you're not gonna pay much attention to a player because they're posting a lot. Pretty lame excuse.

But I can believe that you just genuinely missed that as you did state that you were busy in an earlier post but we'll see. Though, I still don't like that excuse.

Hmm, interesting read. I'll be looking forward to see if this FoS develops into something bigger.

I think I agree with your conclusion, but not your logic. I get people not posting a lot through a phase or two if they're busy, but nutella's post came off to me more as "I don't have time to fully catch up now, so I better vote for a bandwagon-y candidate so it seems like I'm participating!" If you're busy that's fine if you don't make a good Day 1 vote. How she addressed it though is why I think her excuse is possibly BS.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 12:39 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:45 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:13 pm my reasoning is that he seems anxious, he made posts about how there's been nothing going on and how it's bothered him but hasn't made much personal effort to stir discussion up himself. he's made offhand comments but no running comments until basically an hour ago. that's not to say he's the only one in that boat but he sticks out to me because of that/ it seems disingenuous.

Good post here, y'all should have lynched Creature.

What makes you say that? Because this post was one of the ones that made me draw the opposite conclusion.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 12:42 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:22 am

Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:02 pm MacDougall, sabie12, Sokoth, maybe indiglo if we decide to follow Epi.

Am fine doing any of these.

A pretty big salad here. I'm surprised nobody called him out for it, at least from what I've read, since salads are an apparent scum tell in this forum.

I'll fully read the thread when I wake up.

I saw you reference a salad quote and went back to find it. I understood the sabie and indiglo (not as much) ones, but the other 2 baffled me. I mean, I guess MacDougall was kind of absent in the sense that indi was too, but then why not just include all people who were pretty absent for D0 and D1? Sokoth still feels weird to me, since I'm reading him neutrally right now.

I'll give you a tip of the hat for sure. This looks much more interesting in hindsight now.

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:54 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:33 am

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:24 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:14 am

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:03 am Gosh Drago are you acting so tardy because you are scum? I know this kind of ego of yours, you used it when we swiped town in Novas One Piece game.
First of all Drago I wanted to relax on you, and I wanted to be genuinly cooperative.

So, did you see me going overly agressive against Mac? No, I just brought up a topic and if you have read the other pages, then you see that other people also had similair reads. I think there was nothing off of my play there, nor did I slip, FOS, WIFOM or fluff in any way. I wasn't stealthy and I have nothing to hide, while being in a new enviroment. I am genuine.

But let's go back to you and compare you to me:
Last minute jump, nitpicks on me, while for 100% sure you haven't cought up with the whole thread. That is absolutely unprofessional and clumsy and this should lower the credibility of any argumentation of yours against me.

Tbh I even didn't do anything great...to summarize:
- a bit of gamesolving
- pointing out a case/questioning a person
- some game related quotebacks

Sry for being new, but heck what's going on with you, the way you approach me (even before the game started) was so scummy. So either you wanna test me or you rly push against me because you know I am not scum and probably "newish". As one of my mentors it is not clever to waste energy and your own authenticity to just instajump on me. If this has been your plan all along, then thank you for training me.

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So one town is down it's not a dilemma but I think real scum can be read through the pushes at the end of D1, at this point I rly NEEEEED to reread it multiple times because that way I get to know you guys better. (Note: I just came back from work, went sleep -> work, just to justify my 16 hr absence)

Are you purposely trying to ignore what I'm coming at you for?

I don't care about FoS, ego, aggressiveness fluff, WIFOM none of that shit. You were coming at Mac for something that was trivial and you've seen others do before but never done anything like this. You know damn well him calling himself town is not a big deal but you were trying to make it seem like it was. Only like one person shared a similar read.

You think I give a shit of whatever "last minute" jump I did? I didn't even know the DP ended, I just saw your posts and had to comment in it. By any means it does not lower my credibility in my argument.

Rej, I just love how you try justifying your play as townish completely ignoring the entire point of my questioning against you. You straight dodged when I hit you with and tried talking about stuff that don't even matter. You gotta do better.

Don't even try to act like you being a new player to the forum has anything to even do in this conversation. You know damn well it ain't.

PEPE
You pick on something that has already been resolved, Juliet hinted to me that people use to do it on this forums, another guy said it's ok because of lie detectors. It's all reasonable. It's similair to I/G and how it's purpose is completely unrelevant. Tbh I evolve I rly dislike how certain stuff is done.
That guy literally entered, townclaimed not only himself, but also the others. This fact was involved in my casemaking. He then left off and we almost never came back to that topic. And you tell me you don't find it sus?

I tell you why your move was bad from my perspective: You make a case on another case, you nitpick me but don't make a parallelcase on Mac? Cmon dude a mafiaplayer can do better. Why are you tunneling on me just because I do something new? You know for yourself that I try out new things and new approaches every game, I even told it to you when we chatted after I left the Hogwarts game. You Sir, what you are doing is obviously tunneling and you protect Mac. And that right now is not professional. BEHAVE SON!

Already been resolved doesn't change how bad it was. The meta or reasoning for what Mac did is irrelevant to what I'm talking about. Yes, it's similar to I/G so you know him saying I am town means nothing so why in Jesus were you trying to make it a big deal.

Nope. Nothing wrong with that. I've seen worse on OJ not being called out for so why is this even a bid deal. I do not care about how bad you're finding my case against you was. That is absolutely irrelevant to my entire. I just want you to explain to me why you're making a big deal out of something trivial especial when I've done shit like that as town and you never questioned it. You keep dodging actually addressing this point and defending yourself properly. All of this is irrelevant as fuck and just stalling. I don't know why the hell I should be making a parallel case on Mac when I'm coming at you for how you're coming at him. That makes no damn sense.

So what Rej? I don't care if I'm chainsaw defending Mac. All I want you to do is address my original. All this is meaningless and just a bunch of whatever. It's so irrelevant to what I want to get across. You want to call my play unprofessional when you're literally hopping, ducking, and dodging my actually point and trying to talk about something irrelevant.

As said you are tunneling and overread multiple paragraphs from me. I will tell it a last time: He not only called himself town but also all others from the lynch-nerfed players and then he disappeared. And you tell me it's not worth making a case?

About claiming oneself town:
Okay you got me but your reasoning is totally shit. You should have went after me like this: No role-claiming is allowed, which means invest roles can't tell us their results and won't be able to discuss them. It is my bad I realized it later on, but actually saying oneself is town is only profitting a lie detector and seriously I played over 20 mafia games or so and saw the lie detector only once in a one-shot version. So at this point it is not rly my fault, maybe one of my reasonings against mac wasn't that perfect, but dude I achieved my goal. I contributed, other people also went for it. I don't have to justify myself more. I have already been mislynched for trying out new approaches and behaving out of my own meta and that's actually my goal, having NO META at all, just playing mafia and sometimes you gotta use your gut feeling in combination with your aspects to start off something. So how long do you want to pick on me? You won't find a single slip just defense and genuiness.

Oreki wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:31 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:05 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:05 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:57 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:52 am

Creature wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:14 am That's not a mafia tell.

Nice try, though.

Naw fam, it's worked several times on this forum. So it's legit.

It's not just a fun party trick either. It displays the mindset of a mafia member who wants to cast aspersion on several targets at once - casting a wide (but not too wide!) net to see what catches on. "A, B, C, and maybe D" is the recognized standard construction of a Player Salad tell. I believe that classically, one of the mentioned players is the Salad-maker's teammate. We shall see.

The way I view it is that a mafia trying to keep their options open to jump on a possible mislynch that could form without having to do much pushing or tunneling. Of course they'd put a buddy who is being incriminated in the DP in that list, but that's just for distancing.

I've actually done it myself a lot of times as mafia thinking about it now.

And Creature being so hasty to dismiss it isn't a good look either.

You're way too much passive here, I mean honestly, you keep agreeing with Drago. I'm new I don't know how you start your game but that passiveness is not really townies at all

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:24 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:14 am

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:03 am Gosh Drago are you acting so tardy because you are scum? I know this kind of ego of yours, you used it when we swiped town in Novas One Piece game.
First of all Drago I wanted to relax on you, and I wanted to be genuinly cooperative.

So, did you see me going overly agressive against Mac? No, I just brought up a topic and if you have read the other pages, then you see that other people also had similair reads. I think there was nothing off of my play there, nor did I slip, FOS, WIFOM or fluff in any way. I wasn't stealthy and I have nothing to hide, while being in a new enviroment. I am genuine.

But let's go back to you and compare you to me:
Last minute jump, nitpicks on me, while for 100% sure you haven't cought up with the whole thread. That is absolutely unprofessional and clumsy and this should lower the credibility of any argumentation of yours against me.

Tbh I even didn't do anything great...to summarize:
- a bit of gamesolving
- pointing out a case/questioning a person
- some game related quotebacks

Sry for being new, but heck what's going on with you, the way you approach me (even before the game started) was so scummy. So either you wanna test me or you rly push against me because you know I am not scum and probably "newish". As one of my mentors it is not clever to waste energy and your own authenticity to just instajump on me. If this has been your plan all along, then thank you for training me.

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________///

So one town is down it's not a dilemma but I think real scum can be read through the pushes at the end of D1, at this point I rly NEEEEED to reread it multiple times because that way I get to know you guys better. (Note: I just came back from work, went sleep -> work, just to justify my 16 hr absence)

Are you purposely trying to ignore what I'm coming at you for?

I don't care about FoS, ego, aggressiveness fluff, WIFOM none of that shit. You were coming at Mac for something that was trivial and you've seen others do before but never done anything like this. You know damn well him calling himself town is not a big deal but you were trying to make it seem like it was. Only like one person shared a similar read.

You think I give a shit of whatever "last minute" jump I did? I didn't even know the DP ended, I just saw your posts and had to comment in it. By any means it does not lower my credibility in my argument.

Rej, I just love how you try justifying your play as townish completely ignoring the entire point of my questioning against you. You straight dodged when I hit you with and tried talking about stuff that don't even matter. You gotta do better.

Don't even try to act like you being a new player to the forum has anything to even do in this conversation. You know damn well it ain't.

PEPE
You pick on something that has already been resolved, Juliet hinted to me that people use to do it on this forums, another guy said it's ok because of lie detectors. It's all reasonable. It's similair to I/G and how it's purpose is completely unrelevant. Tbh I evolve I rly dislike how certain stuff is done.
That guy literally entered, townclaimed not only himself, but also the others. This fact was involved in my casemaking. He then left off and we almost never came back to that topic. And you tell me you don't find it sus?

I tell you why your move was bad from my perspective: You make a case on another case, you nitpick me but don't make a parallelcase on Mac? Cmon dude a mafiaplayer can do better. Why are you tunneling on me just because I do something new? You know for yourself that I try out new things and new approaches every game, I even told it to you when we chatted after I left the Hogwarts game. You Sir, what you are doing is obviously tunneling and you protect Mac. And that right now is not professional. BEHAVE SON!

Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 11:03 am Gosh Drago are you acting so tardy because you are scum? I know this kind of ego of yours, you used it when we swiped town in Novas One Piece game.
First of all Drago I wanted to relax on you, and I wanted to be genuinly cooperative.

So, did you see me going overly agressive against Mac? No, I just brought up a topic and if you have read the other pages, then you see that other people also had similair reads. I think there was nothing off of my play there, nor did I slip, FOS, WIFOM or fluff in any way. I wasn't stealthy and I have nothing to hide, while being in a new enviroment. I am genuine.

But let's go back to you and compare you to me:
Last minute jump, nitpicks on me, while for 100% sure you haven't cought up with the whole thread. That is absolutely unprofessional and clumsy and this should lower the credibility of any argumentation of yours against me.

Tbh I even didn't do anything great...to summarize:
- a bit of gamesolving
- pointing out a case/questioning a person
- some game related quotebacks

Sry for being new, but heck what's going on with you, the way you approach me (even before the game started) was so scummy. So either you wanna test me or you rly push against me because you know I am not scum and probably "newish". As one of my mentors it is not clever to waste energy and your own authenticity to just instajump on me. If this has been your plan all along, then thank you for training me.

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________///

So one town is down it's not a dilemma but I think real scum can be read through the pushes at the end of D1, at this point I rly NEEEEED to reread it multiple times because that way I get to know you guys better. (Note: I just came back from work, went sleep -> work, just to justify my 16 hr absence)

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:57 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:52 am

Creature wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:14 am That's not a mafia tell.

Nice try, though.

Naw fam, it's worked several times on this forum. So it's legit.

It's not just a fun party trick either. It displays the mindset of a mafia member who wants to cast aspersion on several targets at once - casting a wide (but not too wide!) net to see what catches on. "A, B, C, and maybe D" is the recognized standard construction of a Player Salad tell. I believe that classically, one of the mentioned players is the Salad-maker's teammate. We shall see.

Oreki wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:54 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:51 am

Oreki wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:00 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:52 am

SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:25 pm Kylemii's - Thank you for that information. Buy why not come out with that from the get go? Why did it have to be coaxed out of you? Shouldn't you open with that instead of just dropping a random vote and an obscure note?

Why is it such a bid deal for you over how he presented his read on Creature? Is this some indirect worry and defense to your scum buddy? Though you did vote Creature up later on so hmm.

I think It should be better if we talk during DP, players seems to be offline right now

Whatever phase it is doesn't make any difference. Ppl can still come on and start talking. I don't know why you're trying shut down discussion here.

Cuz no one seems to be online and you know that I haven't played any game before where you also can talk in the Night phase

Creature wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:14 am That's not a mafia tell.

Nice try, though.

Oreki wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:00 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:52 am

SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:25 pm Kylemii's - Thank you for that information. Buy why not come out with that from the get go? Why did it have to be coaxed out of you? Shouldn't you open with that instead of just dropping a random vote and an obscure note?

Why is it such a bid deal for you over how he presented his read on Creature? Is this some indirect worry and defense to your scum buddy? Though you did vote Creature up later on so hmm.

I think It should be better if we talk during DP, players seems to be offline right now

SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:25 pm Kylemii's - Thank you for that information. Buy why not come out with that from the get go? Why did it have to be coaxed out of you? Shouldn't you open with that instead of just dropping a random vote and an obscure note?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:13 pm my reasoning is that he seems anxious, he made posts about how there's been nothing going on and how it's bothered him but hasn't made much personal effort to stir discussion up himself. he's made offhand comments but no running comments until basically an hour ago. that's not to say he's the only one in that boat but he sticks out to me because of that/ it seems disingenuous.

Rej wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 1:04 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 12:44 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 12:14 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 11:59 am Isn't Mac just listing the people who got assessed a vote for not voting correctly? I didn't take his post seriously.

Meanwhile we have to vote for someone today and it's going to be hard if people aren't posting content. So far nobody has said anything I can make a read off of yet. Does anyone have anything they think looks suspicious?

Today is my birthday by the way and I'm in another game too so I will be in and out.

Happy birthday!
I am suspicious of this Mac guy for now, because of the way he entered this day phase. He either knows something or he plays with us. I see it as a not wisemove to list yourself as town, that way he might approach us to trust him, but the nr 1 rule is not to trust anyone. I would vote off someone like him, so I expect him to tell us why he lists himself as town and this while we have no information.

Thanks Rej!

I've given my opinion about why Mac names those names so it's probably best if others tell you what they see (it would be best if Mac explained himself but he is in a time zone where he is asleep during our daylight hours and probably will not get here until late this afternoon). I will also say that a lot of times when I see people give a list of who they think is good they include themselves, which makes no sense to me but I wanted to alert you that happens regularly on this site. Anyway, hopefully others will arrive soon and we can continue this discussion and get other discussions going as well.

linki

thanks Juliet, I didn't knew people do it, for me it's an obvious thing that you should keep for yourself because with my current expertise such statements can cause a distraction (like now for me lol). doesn't change the fact that mac claims them all to be town (those guys with an extra vote on them). As noone spills information about it, we gotta have to test our luck this DP, I will be online for 3 more hours from now on. Hope something happens where I can investigate my reads into.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:36 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:22 am

Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:02 pm MacDougall, sabie12, Sokoth, maybe indiglo if we decide to follow Epi.

Am fine doing any of these.

A pretty big salad here. I'm surprised nobody called him out for it, at least from what I've read, since salads are an apparent scum tell in this forum.

I'll fully read the thread when I wake up.

I called Creature out by voting for the bastard.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:38 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:34 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 11:54 pm lololololol

drago town

Why?

Your being oblivious that the phase had ended. I guess that's kind of angleshooting though?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 11:54 pm lololololol

drago town