The Syndicate

um, the mod begged me to stay because apparently two other people are also subbing out and they can't find anyone

so... i guess i'm going to keep playing until they can find a sub for me

i need to sleep so i'll read up in the morning

eod2 votal if anyone wants it

Soneji (7): JJJ, speed, Mac, nova, DDL, Gemma, Jack
Dragomir (5): Luxurious, Epignosis, Owner, rdw, Jessie
DDL (1): Dragomir

i don't think there's any point in posting my reads given how disconnected i've been

am glad i was right about epig at least, that was the only read i felt in my soul

rip mp7

i'm gonna replace out sorry, the only reason i joined was to play with him

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 7:31 pm
Gemma wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 7:18 pm
JessieKruger wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 6:31 pm Hi nova you are right i initially agreed drago on that post however i read back owner iso post . I did not like his push on jjj in day 1 phase thats it i guess.

Since i think owner has role claimed as tracker in one of his post and he is consistently playing better in this day phase.

I dont like how dragos wanted a desperate vote on her. Just doesnt feel right if he flips green i am opened to be questioned.
Townie mindset imo
We're on different planets I believe lol

Idk I guess it's not the exact "if they flip town lynch me" thing that you see from newbtown but it's kinda close :v

Plus like, why does this guy think he needs to be wrong about Dragomir before he can be open to question?

Oh well I have no idea what my reads are this game rip me

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 6:48 pm [VOTE: Soneji] aubergine since I trust everyone on that wagon, even if I personally suspect Drag more.

Apparently I didn't read this post lol

Idk, I don't think I can vote Dragomir here over Soneji when Soneji has been super no show. I don't really think either of them are super likely to flip mafia but I have no scumreads this game so that probably doesn't mean very much

Why is Jack voting Soneji when he scumreads Dragomir?

JessieKruger wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 6:31 pm Hi nova you are right i initially agreed drago on that post however i read back owner iso post . I did not like his push on jjj in day 1 phase thats it i guess.

Since i think owner has role claimed as tracker in one of his post and he is consistently playing better in this day phase.

I dont like how dragos wanted a desperate vote on her. Just doesnt feel right if he flips green i am opened to be questioned.

Townie mindset imo

Dragomir not self-pressing is a good look I guess?

I think vigilante should always be shooting the counterwagon here if we get a green flip.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 2:26 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:32 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:36 am I kind of want to vote JJJ. I enjoy playing with him, and it has been awhile since we last played. But I also feel like I'm not quite yet seeing the Jay that I've seen before in 2 other games I played with him. Is that enough to go by? I don't know. Have I only seen his town game? I think so. Then again he might play different with a power role in hand, so maybe that's why he appears different. Or he could be generally busy, but I'm not suppose to make excuses for him. I'm just suppose to read what the thread gives me. Or maybe some games does Jay not get serious super early on? In my mind, it would be hard to maintain a talkative or inquisitive facade like every single game.

You're very wishy washy with this read on JJJ. Your approach to your scum read on him comes off as fake. You say stuff that you think are scummy about him, then immediately begin questioning and making up excuses. You're not assertive or sure about yourself at all and that is really troubling.

One could say your vote on him is assertive but meh your reasoning provided is so wishy washy that it makes the vote and the entire read itself just look like you're trying to contribute.
This isn't too bad actually. It's a fair take on what I've said there. I am wish washy on Jay; that is a fact.

Town Points for Jay include
• Going around and talking about each player's interactions with Ultra
• Being potentially "saved" in the night

Worlds with Jay in Them
1. Jay is town. Ultra left their vote on him, which clears him to some degree. Gemma protected him. Lux tried to kill Jay. Lux or Ultra or another teammate could have the jailkeeper role.
2. Jay is town. Ultra left their vote on him, which clears him to some degree. Gemma protected him. Lux jailkept Jay. Someone unknown tried to kill Jay. It didn't work.
3. Jay is mafia. Ultra left their vote on him to distance him. Gemma protected him. Gemma is mafia doctor who protect Jay in the night. Jay performed a kill on x player. Kill was stopped by Lux jailkeeping Jay.
4. Jay is mafia. Ultra left their vote on him to distance him. Jay accidentally bussed him. Gemma protected him. Gemma is mafia doctor who protect Jay in the night. Jay performed a kill on x player. Kill was stopped by Lux jailkeeping Jay.
5. Jay is mafia. Ultra left their vote on him to distance him. Jay accidentally bussed him. Gemma protected him. Gemma is a town doctor who protect Jay in the night. Jay performed a kill on x player. Kill was stopped by Lux jailkeeping Jay.

Conclusion
I still think Jay and Gemma are town.

I think Lux's explanation of how mafia should think might have been argument she had with a partner about night kills. She adjusted to my claim well, so there is still a world where she is actually town. (so I still don't know what lux identifies as. I keep thinking she because of the avi, but idk.)

So maybe I should move my vote back to lux as, lux turn tail and is voting for dragomir might be a bad sign, and Epi is on this vote too.

I still don't know if I should trust Epi or not. Epi trusted myself and DDL's reads on nova yesterday.

So like Nova with Dragomir? idk my bff jill... I just don't have all the answers. I see too many different possibilities.

I don't want to be wrong on Lux. But I did still track them because of their interactions with conversations that brought up ULtra's name and me stating that lynching Jay wasn't likely to happen. But that also could have generated concern to save jay though, so derp... i don't what to think.. I have too many thoughts, not enough decisiveness

Owner, it's entirely possible that all 4 of us are town and none of our night actions actually impacted the night kill.

Goodnight.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 11:01 am Someone talk to me about Jesse

He seems derpy, and I guess I associate that with town.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 10:58 am
Gemma wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 10:43 am Why do you like Dragomir?
His tone reads genuine. I particularly liked the way he was stumbling through his reads, felt like a civ having trouble expressing how he was feeling and trying his best to put his thoughts into words than a baddie dealing with contrived reads.

I also don't think the flip-flopping he's been doing is awful. It's not inherently a bad thing, and I can see Owner's claim giving him pause not because role claims are indicative but rather how he read the situation with Owner coming out of no-where with a result she thought is incriminating.

I sorta liked the mood of his early push on DDL tbh.

Why do you like Dragomir?

I just had a weird moment where I thought I had an antialign between Ultra and DDL, then I reread to go over it again in my head and realized it wasn't between DDL and Ultra, it was between DDL and speed. Go me.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 12:43 am The bird comics suck. I'm sorry. They aren't funny. They'e shit.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 12:40 am
Gemma wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 12:24 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:51 pm What would you do Gemma?
Shoot Jack 3 times.
Michael, is that you?

I just want to save my son.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:51 pm What would you do Gemma?

Shoot Jack 3 times.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:28 pm
Gemma wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:25 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:21 pm
Gemma wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:15 pm Also can you post a readlist please nova?
Careful. Last person to ask me this got lynched
Please post readlist
Ask me about someone

Scenario: mod confirms for you that there is at least one mafia in {Speed, Lux, Owner, JJJ, Mac, Epig, DDL, Jack}. You have 3 shots, and if you don't hit at least 1 mafia then you lose. Additionally, for every mafia you shoot, the mod will confirm the alignment of a random townie in the grouping. Who do you shoot, and in what order?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:25 pm
Gemma wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:22 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:16 pm
Gemma wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:14 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:09 pm I have no objections to a Soneji lynch, but I moved back to MP as a placeholder.
I just voted Jack. Come back to this wagon. Competing wagons are fun.
What is your grievance? I would consider such a thing.
Does he hasn't really done anything count as a grievance?
Jack is a frequent blind spot for me. I was hoping someone with fresh peepers could come in and tell me what they see. Jack said he's playing multiple games, so I don't doubt that.

Oh. I don't really like writing words.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:21 pm
Gemma wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:15 pm Also can you post a readlist please nova?
Careful. Last person to ask me this got lynched

Please post readlist

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:16 pm
Gemma wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:14 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:09 pm I have no objections to a Soneji lynch, but I moved back to MP as a placeholder.
I just voted Jack. Come back to this wagon. Competing wagons are fun.
What is your grievance? I would consider such a thing.

Does he hasn't really done anything count as a grievance?

Also can you post a readlist please nova?

Gemma wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 6:37 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 11:22 am
Gemma wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:39 am Nova, why the switch to Soneji?
Severely underwhelmed by his presence in the closing hours of D1. The few reads he have are pretty shallow, and especially the stance on DDL/Dragomir seems particularly contrived.
I meant more why do you not want to lynch JJJ anymore?

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention] did you respond to this?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:09 pm I have no objections to a Soneji lynch, but I moved back to MP as a placeholder.

I just voted Jack. Come back to this wagon. Competing wagons are fun.

If I find out post-game that mafia shot at JJJ last night, I'll be sure to lock you as town for the rest of the game.

Owner claimed tracker.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 6:38 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:53 pm Oh also @Owner of a Lonely Heart what made you watch JJJ last night? Did you also have the assumption he would die?

I get the feeling that’s a very Off Siter player kinda analysis there
I tracked you. I didn't watch him. You seemed concerned about Ultra's wagon, but wasn't sold yet at the time you voted for me yesterday. I thought Gemma was the watcher because she said the bird stuff day 1, so I thought she was softing bird "watcher". That's also why there's a semi meh town read on her day 1. Because, I suspected she was softing to bring that up later on. But, it appears that she is in fact not the watcher, so there goes me reading into something that wasn't actually there.

Haha that's amazing. I would never soft my role like that, I really just like birds!

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 7:34 pm Damn, seeing Owner's claim, he might be fine then. Off to DDL it is then.

I believe Owner identifies as a woman.

Lux, help me understand your night action. I don't really see anything super indicative of a townread on JJJ in your day 1, so at what point did you get there? If you thought JJJ was town enough that you thought he would get shot, why is he only probably town in your day 2 readlist?

Why were you concerned about my night action initially?

Talk to me about what you think Owner's result means about her alignment and JJJ's alignment at this point, all things considered.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 12:45 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 11:43 am Are you really going to start making me do them?
I have exams to proctor, a playoff hockey game to attend, and another game with an earlier deadline. I’ll get there when I get there.

By all means do your own. I’m usually the only one who bothers and thus it becomes my obligation instead of the civilians’ obligation.

I bothered, I just didn't talk about it :P

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 11:23 am
Gemma wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:47 am I think I'm townreading all of these people to some degree.

Owner
Speedy
Mac
Epig
DDL
JJJ
Why Epig?

His slappy slap with Mac is inane and predictable in a particular way that I recognize as town on town fighting.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 11:22 am
Gemma wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:39 am Nova, why the switch to Soneji?
Severely underwhelmed by his presence in the closing hours of D1. The few reads he have are pretty shallow, and especially the stance on DDL/Dragomir seems particularly contrived.

I meant more why do you not want to lynch JJJ anymore?

Did you not read them?

I think you'll have a hard time convincing me that she's mafia after her posts today.

I'm around if you'd like to chat as you catch up, jessie.

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JessieKruger wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:37 am Hi i am really i keep missing the status. I am new to the forum and i have not received alert about Day 2 phase.

Also i am extremely sorry to the host i was absent on D1 i had no idea when the game was about to start.

Now i am here i will look into the read of the game.

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I think I'm townreading all of these people to some degree.

Owner
Speedy
Mac
Epig
DDL
JJJ

Nova, why the switch to Soneji?

Mac, where are you at with townreads atm? Want to talk about someone other than Epig?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:35 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:55 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:53 pm I don't care what happened last DP. I'm talking about the now.
That's a load of BS.

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine
I do not like this vote

Why is Dragomir town?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:26 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:20 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:17 pm Lux I suspect you are getting bias from your initial sight of Jay exploding a thread.

If you look around you, you'll notice there are people who think Jay is not exploding the thread hard enough.

He does that every game. He posts a lot. The man is a tryhard. That is not super indicative of civilian status.

(Though Jay himself does have a theory that if he makes more than 200 posts a day he can't be bad)
I’ve never played with Jay before so my bias isn’t based on meta
No, your bias is lack of meta.

You are seeing Supatown JJJ for the first time and it's like you are seeing Captain America.

But you still haven't gotten to the part where Cap. America get a three dimensional character arc and is conflicted about saving his best friend who is also a nazi. So when people tell you the Cap. is suspicious you think that betrays common sense.

lmao

Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:08 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:59 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:58 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:41 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:37 pm I caught up this morning and found myself having to realign my reads.

Nova looks super solid in light of the ultra lynch.

Epi looks a little fishy for trying to piggyback on my nova case.

Still don't like Owner.

Not getting a good vibe from Soneji. Him having a low post count is normal, but he normally comes at the end with a bunch of attacks against players and is sure of thing. Here he feels more... basic.

Mac is giving me a civ vibe. Compared to the other game where he was very tame, here he's pissed off. I like pissed off Mac.

RDW needs to come down to the playground.

Neutral on the rest.
Why is Nova super solid? I’ve played two days of another game and read most of Nutella’s champs D1 since this thread closed.
It's not like I changed my mind about the questions thing being fishy, but vote analysis > how many questions the guy is asking.

Nova was the name of the Ultra wagon. He pushed it more than everyone else. I bet he's the one mafia tried to kill tonight.
Why do you think that??? You were voting Nova at eod i’m kinda curious as to why you think mafia would kill Nova > JJJ
Cuz anyone who lynches nova is out of their mind.

While we are discussing the Jay lynch as of right now.
Okay I’ll explain to you why your answer is awful

1) Nova was a wagon yesterday, mafia would expect for town to lynch Nova eventually due to wagonomics

2)In the off chance mafia, DOESNT, expect this, they suck

3)JJJ was the highest poster, with Ultra as a scum read. While he voted Gemma, his vote ultimately ended up on a mafia.

4) While Nova DID push Ultra the hardest, JJJ wasnt at risk of being lynched, bringing it back to wagonomics of Nova

So like, why the fuck would mafia kill Nova > JJJ

I'm confused, were you not suggesting before that my JJJ save didn't make sense?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:03 pm
Gemma wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:14 pm I saved JJJ last night.

That you've blurted this out promptly despite the ambiguity of a non-kill in this setup strikes me as a genuine instinct.

This setup is honestly crap lol.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:02 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:24 pm
Gemma wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:20 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:11 pm [VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

I don't believe your progression on Ultra.
What's unbelievable about his progression on ultra?
Had him green after their early spat, reiterated by saying he liked his (Ultra) "assertive" tone. Never hit back at the bogus suspicions which had me unsettled, and he only started viewing him bad when I prodded him about further. He stated the lack of progression of Ultra's read even though, Ultra hadn't posted in between "I like his assertive tone" and my prodding of Jay I believe.
I'm a sucker for a new guy who wants to get in my fucking face from the start.

As it happened though, that was the only thing he seemed to care about in his posts. He picked me as punching bag based on that "chainsaw defense" thing and did not move from it. I made note of that here -- as a day progresses, the value wanes and it just becomes nothing. It ended up being about the only thing the guy did in this game. As EOD approached (and my own requirement to decide a vote approached even sooner), I was confronted with wagons on Ultra, nova, and Owner and decided he was my preference among them.

Hooray.

Are you suggesting we should read you as unaligned?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:53 pm
Gemma wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:51 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:44 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:39 pm If my buddy gets lynch on D1, I don’t follow up with a D2 gambit of skipping the nk, claiming doc and hoping nobody minds I’m alive several days later.

Nova and Drag going after Gemma today is yucky.
Going after Genma? What is you talking about? I was trying to find her reasoning for why she did what she did. Nowhere in my posts to her was it even implied I was FoSing her or trying to incriminate her. Cmon man.
Genmaaaaaa
In my native language "gema" means egg yolk.

So I imagine an egg every time I see you posting.

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Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:44 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:39 pm If my buddy gets lynch on D1, I don’t follow up with a D2 gambit of skipping the nk, claiming doc and hoping nobody minds I’m alive several days later.

Nova and Drag going after Gemma today is yucky.
Going after Genma? What is you talking about? I was trying to find her reasoning for why she did what she did. Nowhere in my posts to her was it even implied I was FoSing her or trying to incriminate her. Cmon man.

Genmaaaaaa

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