The Syndicate

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:57 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:52 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:49 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:49 pm I think Marmot's vote is the most justified here, although I'm not sure where to lean on Marmot. I voted igno mostly because of what Marmot pointed about igno and falcon. Esooa is probably my strongest townread rn. So if there's wolf in there, I'd look at Gavial and Wiml.
why me
I have wolfed with you and this game doesn't resemble your wolf game.
wiml is basically playing the exact same game as me. What do you think of that?

I'm not sure on Wiml. I had them as town earlier because of some of their unpopular stances, but Mac has been telling me Wiml can easily do that as wolf while I don't know Wiml's wolfgame.

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:50 pm Mac and HK are my towncore

Why on both?

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:33 pm Personally I was surprised with the Igno!Green flip.
Also makes me believe potentially 2 scum were on the wagon and I suppose WimI would fit that spot.
Although I still think Syn is scum.

Did you ever answer why you had Syn and igno as aligned together?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:49 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:49 pm I think Marmot's vote is the most justified here, although I'm not sure where to lean on Marmot. I voted igno mostly because of what Marmot pointed about igno and falcon. Esooa is probably my strongest townread rn. So if there's wolf in there, I'd look at Gavial and Wiml.
why me

I have wolfed with you and this game doesn't resemble your wolf game.

I think Marmot's vote is the most justified here, although I'm not sure where to lean on Marmot. I voted igno mostly because of what Marmot pointed about igno and falcon. Esooa is probably my strongest townread rn. So if there's wolf in there, I'd look at Gavial and Wiml.

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:56 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:55 am If igno is a wolf, then falcon is probably town. Falcon looks like igno's top scumread, and imo, it doesn't look like distancing.
Actually the opposite. This is exactly how igno plays as a wolf and I picked them up as likely partners before I scumread either.

Vote Count 1.4.5 (Unofficial)

ignoramus (2) - MacDougall, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
falcon45ca (6) - Esooa, Marmot, hollowkatt, Wiml, Deli, Gavial
Wiml (2) - Syn, Creature
Deli (1) - falcon45ca
hollowkatt (1) - Kami

Not Voting (1) - ignoramus

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:57 am Meh.

[VOTE: ignoramus] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:58 am [VOTE: Ignoramus] aubergine

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:58 am [VOTE: igno] aubergine

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:59 am [VOTE: Ifno] aubergine

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:59 am[VOTE: igno] aubergine

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:03 pm Vote Count 1.Final

ignoramus (7) - MacDougall, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Creature, Marmot, Esooa, Gavial, Wiml
falcon45ca (2) - hollowkatt, Deli
Wiml (1) - Syn
Deli (1) - falcon45ca
hollowkatt (1) - Kami

Not Voting (1) - ignoramus

Day One Final Post Counts

Esooa - 50
Wiml - 50
Deli - 48
Gavial - 46
Creature - 42
falcon45ca - 41
MacDougall - 41
hollowkatt - 40
Marmot - 33
Kami - 25
Syn - 23
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - 19
ignoramus - 8

Aw fuck. I'm not even sure anywhere anymore. Also insomnia sucks.

Kinda meh about everything but let's see

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:56 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:55 am If igno is a wolf, then falcon is probably town. Falcon looks like igno's top scumread, and imo, it doesn't look like distancing.
Actually the opposite. This is exactly how igno plays as a wolf and I picked them up as likely partners before I scumread either.

Vote Count 1.4.5 (Unofficial)

ignoramus (2) - MacDougall, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
falcon45ca (6) - Esooa, Marmot, hollowkatt, Wiml, Deli, Gavial
Wiml (2) - Syn, Creature
Deli (1) - falcon45ca
hollowkatt (1) - Kami

Not Voting (1) - ignoramus

Doesn't correlate with the poll

Meh.

[VOTE: ignoramus] aubergine

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:46 am gth gavial is town

Thinking the same.

Oh shit it's almost deadline.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:37 am [VOTE: wiml] aubergine

Lead me mac daddy

Meh

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:37 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:25 pm Pretty confident townreads

hollowkatt
Esooa
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Moderately confident townreads

falcon45ca
Syn

Not sure, kinda towny maybe

Creature
Gavial
Kami

Kinda scummy but I have a sense I might be reading these people wrong

Marmot
Deli

Just wolfy

Wiml
ignoramus

Don't even bother trying to townread me, it's a waste of time and you'll conclude wolf anyway.

Okay.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:44 am we're still killing Flacon today btw

Why?

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:45 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:44 am we're still killing Flacon today btw
I personally think both Falcon and WamI are town.
Probably at least 1 scum on one of those wagons.
I still think Syn/Igno are aligned with each other.

Why are Syn and igno aligned?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:47 amor Igno

Not opposed.

Deli wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:37 pm igno? - I thought igno came in really towny but after some reactions I think I misinterpreted so I'm uncertain but not willing to give up on the vibes

I'm not getting the same vibes, but I confess I don't really know how to read ignoramus here.

Did I really forget syn? I must have just forgotten about them, can't think of a single memorable post

They were very present early game, but haven't seen them lately.

Marmot seemed genuine to me and game-solvey, I didn't feel like there was an agenda and their reads just made sense to me.

Fair.

Is Mac an audacious wolf? cause this page has just been him trending downward.

I suppose Mac can do well both as town and as wolf. Would rather see what happens.

idg the wiml read at all, he's playing exactly like last game

What game?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:27 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:24 pm mac what're my wolf tells
I dunno your game progresses rapidly and I haven't seen you wolf in like 6 months. You don't have all that many because you have openwolfing in your townrange. At the time your wolf game was characterised by things such as outing yourself trying to save drowning teammates, and/or pushing really obvious towny players for bad reasons. Nothing in your posting style particularly, but yeah that's mostly because you have being unabashedly anti-town in your townrange.

Based on my experience wolfing with Esooa recently, I think they're alright this game, but I should be able to better tell D2 or D3.

I feel like wolves can post pretty fine in postcapped games.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:25 pm Pretty confident townreads

hollowkatt
Esooa
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Moderately confident townreads

falcon45ca
Syn

Not sure, kinda towny maybe

Creature
Gavial
Kami

Kinda scummy but I have a sense I might be reading these people wrong

Marmot
Deli

Just wolfy

Wiml
ignoramus

I can agree with most of this list.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:08 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:03 pm Why is everyone town reading wiml?
Not sure on him. Some of his unpopular stances, like defending Gavial, seemed towny.
Audaciousness is a characteristic of a quality wolf. It's not really a towntell for someone like wiml.

Fair.

[VOTE: Wiml] aubergine

I really need to sleep.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:03 pm Why is everyone town reading wiml?

Not sure on him. Some of his unpopular stances, like defending Gavial, seemed towny.

Deli wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:34 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:13 pm
Deli wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:10 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:06 pm @Esooa is Kami mafia?
RN I'd say she's town. In the game I played with her previously she didn't really care that much and made few reads etc because she was scum and didn't really want to be. This game obviously she cares about reading stuff and is mad at HK because of what she's read
Kami’s caring is a function of her mood, not her alignment ime
Besides hollowkatt, who else are you up to lynch?
i'm almost at the point with hollow that like nah, idk that a wolf comes in and does that-- not going to clear them for being inconsistent but Idt it would make sense for hollow to be w/w is falcon and I'd rather flip falcon first.

Villa
Deli

Villa lean
wiml
marmot
igno?

Not clearing(hopefully not more than 1 wolf in here)
Mac
Esooa
Kami
Hollow
Creature

Lunch here(three wolves-- one time?!)
gavial
nanook
falcon

tbh tho it's early and this list could be very good or very bad or neither :O

Why do you townread Marmot and igno? I'm not satisfied with their content.

Deli wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:10 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:06 pm @Esooa is Kami mafia?
RN I'd say she's town. In the game I played with her previously she didn't really care that much and made few reads etc because she was scum and didn't really want to be. This game obviously she cares about reading stuff and is mad at HK because of what she's read
Kami’s caring is a function of her mood, not her alignment ime

Besides hollowkatt, who else are you up to lynch?

I'm not sure if I'll be there tomorrow, so I want to know who to leave my vote on. Not sure how much I liked that last page.

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:58 pm - Gavial is a wolf and tryharding. They are not attempting to push any real agenda besides maybe a wolf read on Syn that they aren't pushing particularly hard? They dropped off for unknown reasons. They are making posts for the explicit purpose of getting townread then, surely? But if that's the case and these posts are crafted to evict such a response from people then is wolf-Gavial really unaware of how to be perceived this way that they split their reads list into only two categories? They have categories like falcon that are completely IIoA? In this case, they must be aware that the post they're making presumably for the sole reason to look good and get towncred has content that is actually surface level very wolfy and therefore invalidated their entire game approach?

Who do you think is pushing an agenda here?

Deli wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:56 pm I’m not a nub I just play with olds who don’t use some of this lingo >.< ppl nub clearing anyone are sus imo

Yeah, that read from Gavial seemed like a pocket attempt and I'm pretty sure there have been others. Who else was nub clearing you though?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:38 pm @Creature What's your scum read on Nook?

Small one, but I think their popins are more likely to come from wolf. There also has been too much brushing off on him for ??? reasons.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:16 am Creature - One thing I really dislike about Creature thus far is their post saying ""I think I townread..." and two posts later saying "I currently feel fairly good". I have 2 issues here. 1) Creature uses two adverbs to describe the second opinion. 2) Nothing really happened to support such a confidence change. I don't mind a bunch of townreads early, but I see this a means of doubling down when being questioned about it since the reads began as soft ones.

There was no confidence change. I use "fairly good" for smaller confidence as opposed to "pretty good" when I'm more confident. Also the adverbs I choose to use don't mean shit on reading me.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:47 am Creature @Creature
Other then my pop out, is there any other reason you have your vote on me?

I heard someone say your readslist seemed more a narration of events than real reads while your GTH reads look inconsistent with the explanations you used.

Also I'm not sure where else I can move my vote.

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:23 am Pretty sure hollowkatt is town.

I agree.

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:48 am Esooa focusing on meta reads is towny for her (regardless of the accuracy of the read) and probably not partnered with falcon. Doubt she comes in this way as a wolf.

Generally she's also pushing the game in a good direction and that's town-indicative of her. Agree with her takes on Deli (and also that she pointed out Deli as being somebody likely to get mistakenly misread is accurate and I +1 that).

Yeah, Esooa looks good so far.

Aw man, I can't stand any more wall as both seemed weird.

I'm concerned about how NANOOK is being this brushed off.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:18 pm Mac Dongull - Comes in first thing with the sheep vote, boy what a play!
Smacks em up next with that double deal town read.
Retracts that baby into the triple!
I question that guy about having those triples in mind for later and this boy hits me up with the “bad memory” excuse. Prob Town.

This looks so cringey.

WimL -
I like the 2 in one combo! Entrance + Reaction post.
Doesn’t really show signs of survival as told Syn straight up they wouldn’t be mad if WimL got hammered.
Calls my entrance post bad but has good justification for it. I’m just trying to go try hard this game though in my defence.
Gives Falcon a Town Lean and puts Esooa/Deli Town. I like how they are going about these early reads ignoring the fact they are susing + voting me.

I don't see how these are really town indicative.

Falcon -
Doesn’t like being third and wishes for more is what I’m getting from his entrance post.
Claims to Nanook he is town which from what I remember in a previous town game of his probably means he is town.
Has an issue with 5 town reads at once.
Well then he’s probably not going to like this post lol.

So why are you townreading Falcon again?

Deli -
Ah the good ol “I’m Nub on this site” approach.
Claims WimI spews himself later on in the game which is notable.
Other then that I don’t really notice much else except maybe the joke post regarding Kami with HK’s readslist.
Prob Nub town if I had to take a shot in the dark.

Pretty sure Deli is not a nub.

Nanook - Being Nanook

Here’s my solve:

GTH Top 7 Town:
Mac Dongull, Falcon, Hollowcat, WimL, Creature and Deli
6-Man PoE Scum Pool:
Syn, Ignoramus, Kami, Marmot, Esooa and Nanook because leftover.

Falcon and Deli townreads look kinda weird because it felt like you were wolfcasing them initially.

Kami wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:03 pm its easier to catch people slip day 1 or be wolfy in general than to indentify town, so no having so many reads kindaindicates they aren't real reads tbh

I strongly disagree with this. Wolves can very well do decent-looking posts especially in a postcapped game the enough to not look wolfy, but it's a lot harder for them to make posts that transpires town. Hence early townreads are stronger than early wolfreads.

Deli wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:22 pm
ignoramus wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:00 pm Good morning, folks!
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:59 pm I solemnly vow to hammer any wagon on any day

for the memes, you see
I volunteer as tribute!

It me, oof now I see why this kinda thing is annoying but it is towny af

Not vibing w/ Esooa and wiml pocket attempts— idk Esooa null for me rn I’m trying not to tunnel again >.<

Slow game is slow, idk this is tough for a spammer like me. When do things pick up??

Meh, this looks town!Deli.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:57 pm town
creature
wiml
esooa
falcon
mac
nanook
igno
syn

wolf
gavial
deli
kami

not posting
marmot

Why the townreads on Mac, Nanook and ignoramus?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:58 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:52 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:48 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:46 pm no about literally anything in the thread
Yeah, Creature has way too many players in his town list
does that make him mafia?
I don't know, we'd have to flip him and see

Sure, but that would mean wolves will be one mislynch closer to their wincon so let's not.

ignoramus wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:16 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:21 pm 3rd.

Do I get a prize better than Bronze?

I'm Vanilla btw, it says so on my rolecard
Already claiming stuff like this first thing is Not Good
Like
I dunno if they do this a lot irregardless of alignment but gun to head this is a mafia making a claim they can fall back on when they need to

I disagree with the last sentence.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:16 pm Moment I realize this game has a 50 post cap....
Reeeeeeeee
That won’t stop me!!
Gun to head feels like someone spamming posts early so that they have less posts later on so they can't spew/say as much
Very useful especially if as wolf they have a hard time controlling what they say

Looks NAI imo.

Kami wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:52 pm creature/nook lock wolves tbh
???
How? Can't read Creature very well but I don't see Nanook being one

Why do you townread Nanook?

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:18 pm Deli/Esooa probably town will explain tomorrow but tired.

I think I should be able to better read them D2 or D3, hence I wouldn't go for them today. Wiml also seems fine so far.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:34 pm I think I can townread Falcon, Wiml, hollowkatt, Syn and Deli. The rest I don't know.

I think I might have been too quick to townread Wiml and Deli here although I thought they had town energy prior to this post. Syn at least I could relate to their posts and so it was easier for me to townread them.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:15 pm creature sus, nook sus, falcon not sus, urist definitely sus

I can kind of see town have these thoughts especially on Nanook and Falcon.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:15 pm Sorry three people.

Note to self for later. Creature, Falcon, Hollowkatt are town.

I also sheeped Mac here.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:21 pm 3rd.

Do I get a prize better than Bronze?

I'm Vanilla btw, it says so on my rolecard

I find this post pretty towny for Falcon ftr.

Aw man I overslept again and mobileposting is quite difficult when I'm trying to save up posts. I think I'll look from the beginning and hope I don't run out of posts while catching up.

Aw man energy just went down (returned now) and this game looks weird. I wonder if I've been fooled somewhere as I'm struggling to tell who could be wolf.

Wished we didn't have that 50 post limit.

Deli wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:51 pm I’m sus of anyone who has this many town reads on d1 but ig I admire the confidence.

I think town has more incentive to gather that many townreads while wolves tend to leave things as open as possible as long as possible.

Kinda disagree you and Kami are wolves here. I think Gavial and NANOOK are most likely to be wolves here, but I'm still a bit unsure.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:19 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:18 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:48 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:46 pm no about literally anything in the thread
Yeah, Creature has way too many players in his town list
Am I wrong on one of my them?
Maybe? I don't know, I was only told my alignment

Do you disagree on any of them?

I currently feel fairly good about the ones I listed and having a list of players you don't want to lynch is optimal here, even if you end up needing to reevaluate them later.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:48 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:46 pm no about literally anything in the thread
Yeah, Creature has way too many players in his town list

Am I wrong on one of my them?

How annoying. We have this day and the entire tomorrow and one more half a day. Syn's avatar is my exact mood right now tbh.

I think I can townread Falcon, Wiml, hollowkatt, Syn and Deli. The rest I don't know.

Deli wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:50 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:48 pm I feel better about Wiml now. hollowkatt is fine too. I think I can do Gavial as he had like three consecutive posts and then disappeared.

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

Oh shit nvm I just have to select a button and then it works. So weird

Creature are you a regular wolf or deep wolf this time?

I know for sure I'm no regular wolf.

I feel better about Wiml now. hollowkatt is fine too. I think I can do Gavial as he had like three consecutive posts and then disappeared.

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:32 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:25 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:19 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:12 pm Meh, self-restricting myself in posting is really boring. I think I would rather run out of posts halfway in the day than allow some game stagnancy and we all should be doing the same. Like, I think there's no difference if we end up choosing a lynch and running out of posts halfway in the day except we'd have to wait a little longer for the day to end.

Only townreading falcon so far.

[VOTE: Wiml] aubergine
other than wiml any wolf reads?
Perhaps NANOOK. But I'm just looking somewhere to push. Every post must count for something in this game.
Nanook unironically? How come?

I count "could vote" as some kind of wolfread.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:19 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:12 pm Meh, self-restricting myself in posting is really boring. I think I would rather run out of posts halfway in the day than allow some game stagnancy and we all should be doing the same. Like, I think there's no difference if we end up choosing a lynch and running out of posts halfway in the day except we'd have to wait a little longer for the day to end.

Only townreading falcon so far.

[VOTE: Wiml] aubergine
other than wiml any wolf reads?

Perhaps NANOOK. But I'm just looking somewhere to push. Every post must count for something in this game.

Meh, self-restricting myself in posting is really boring. I think I would rather run out of posts halfway in the day than allow some game stagnancy and we all should be doing the same. Like, I think there's no difference if we end up choosing a lynch and running out of posts halfway in the day except we'd have to wait a little longer for the day to end.

Only townreading falcon so far.

[VOTE: Wiml] aubergine

Jesus Christ max 1 post per hour. Hopefully I don't run out of posts and patience before.

Probably means we gotta be quite efficient in our posts and try to settle quick somewhere.

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