The Syndicate

I remember D3 prior to the TSP guilty planning to lynch away from the D2 top 8 names.

This day is so boring. If someone has something new to bring to the table that would be appreciated.

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:35 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:32 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:31 pm Perhaps I really hate myself for randing wolf day vigilante that one time and instantly freezing up.
Getting red checked is fun though because then you can just bug everyone in the thread and not care about the game at all.
I hate it lol. Nothing as bad as being cornered.

tbh I was initially bummed when I was public red checked the one game I was breaking my meta but then I had a lot of fun posting American Dragon/Pokemon gifs and posting snarky replies to everyone in thread. Ended up with 863 posts in 13 hours and would definitely do it again if I was red checked once more.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:34 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:33 pm Also I wasn't aware Sloonei was top posting?

I more so wondered if he just completely slanked as wolf. Some people are like that
Nah, I think I have seen wolf!Sloonei topposting in previous Game of Champions games.

This is one: viewtopic.php?t=1859

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:33 pm Also I wasn't aware Sloonei was top posting?

I more so wondered if he just completely slanked as wolf. Some people are like that

Nah, I think I have seen wolf!Sloonei topposting in previous Game of Champions games.

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:31 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:30 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:28 pm Most people who can top post as villagers can do so as wolf as well imo
Then why did you ask if I was volume cleared earlier?
Because of the most* people part. I didn't know if you could from experience. I've seen creature do it

Used to be famous for always getting volume cleared as town. Now I am 1.2k posting and still top wolf contender.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:31 pm Perhaps I really hate myself for randing wolf day vigilante that one time and instantly freezing up.

Getting red checked is fun though because then you can just bug everyone in the thread and not care about the game at all.

Perhaps I really hate myself for randing wolf day vigilante that one time and instantly freezing up.

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:28 pm Most people who can top post as villagers can do so as wolf as well imo

Needs an incredible amount of WIM and lately my WIM tanked a lot whenever I received a red role PM.

I haven't played wolf for a while yet I still open up my role PM in fear of it being red and I am really afraid of joining your Harry Potter mash in MU and receiving a red role PM.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:25 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:24 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:21 pm Mac has so far been the only mafia flipped that has pushed Wilgy.
But most of Wilgy's wagonis still alive: sabie12, dyachei, falcon45ca, Paopan, LinearPoint, Creature, alexa
Mac seems like someone distancing.
I think someone mentioned before that Mac has bussed a lot as a wolf. could be wrong

He bussed almost his entire mafia team in https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Game-Mash

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:27 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:24 pm creature have you ever top posted as a wolf before
From the top of my head:

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Game-Days
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Hydra-Mash

Hydra mash was like when I peaked as wolf. I don't think I can have a wolf game as good as hydra mash anymore.

EBWOP (I don't even know what EBWOP means I only see it being used a lot to edit quoted posts)

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:24 pm creature have you ever top posted as a wolf before

From the top of my head:

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Game-Days
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Hydra-Mash

Hydra mash was like when I peaked as wolf. I don't think I can have a wolf game as good as hydra mash.

I would accept being mislynched but I'm way too afraid my mislynch is the enough for wolves to win the game tonight.

I think I'm fine lynching any of DrWilgy/Paopan today. Could maybe be pressured into voting sabie12 too. Could also vote illario if we want to play safe because at least we know they aren't flipping town.

Finding one wolf at a time is a good philosophy. The only downside is being killed earlier and having to watch the remaining town (those who wolves probably desired alive) fail to find the remaining wolves (those who weren't as obvious wolves at first).

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:18 pm While yes, OK. Neeko will admit its possible to misclear people and be wrong. it's better to misclear 1 Mafia and PoE the last 2 than to PoE literally everyone.
If a Mafia gets miscleared or something it'll probably out them eventualyl just from the fact no one is killing them.

I only want to find one single wolf today. Of course that's still gonna leave us two wolves around, but I really want to make sure we don't mislynch and bring us way too close to parity the next day.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:17 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:13 pm Does Creature feel town to anyone at this moment?
I think I've been so flipfloppy that it'd be hard for me to replicate this as wolf. Usually I'm a lot less paranoid and wishy-washy as wolf.
But the way you say this makes it sound like you're being intentional with it if you know that flipfloppy is hard to do as Mafia.
Also not really, Mafia have to change reads a lot to account for new information and scum flipping.
It's kind of a trait that is universal and can be of any alignment. You just seem to be doing it in a more deliberate way to avoid clearing as many people as you can from your PoE.

I know, but it's hard to make it natural. There were points in this game I literally just grabbed anything and threw into the thread trying to make sense, like that time I tried to read into the wagons when we had like 8 votes to select our 8 lynch options D2. Of course I could change reads as wolf, but it's really hard to show all the thought process behind the changing.

What do you all think of DrWilgy btw?

I think I'm tanking in biochemistry which is a shame because the subject really interested me.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:15 pm I've always read atp as adenosine triphosphate

Just finished up a biochemistry test today. I'm so tired of hearing ATP, ADP, NADH, FADH2 and Acetyl-CoA.

I don't have anything internal that can clear me though.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:13 pm Does Creature feel town to anyone at this moment?

I think I've been so flipfloppy that it'd be hard for me to replicate this as wolf. Usually I'm a lot less paranoid and wishy-washy as wolf.

I still think Sloonei could be wolf pulling the "i have a confirmable role" shit, but I'm giving the benefit of doubt because there should have at least two wolves elsewhere.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:11 pm Neeko has been suspecting Mafia may just be saving their soup kill to ensure there is no massclaim.

Yes, I think the same. They won't use the soup kill until they have enough to guarantee parity.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:08 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:07 pm Best strategy for wolves atp is to claim they have a confirmable role because soup kill will always make claiming it very risky and so wolves can get away with it for as long as they need.
what is atp? At this point?

Yes, it means "at this point".

I believe wolves are saving their soup until they have enough numbers to guarantee parity so perhaps we can survive a mislynch. Still, it's highly imperative we lynch wolf today because we need to reduce their numbers. If we reduce their numbers maybe we can have someone safely claim without giving enough soup kills for wolves to endgame.

Best strategy for wolves atp is to claim they have a confirmable role because soup kill will always make claiming it very risky and so wolves can get away with it for as long as they need.

idk I just ain't touching JPIC because I don't want to disappoint c4e5g3d5

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:58 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:57 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:51 pm The world where all of alexa, Sloonei and I are town seem pretty complicated. Who could be wolf?

DrWilgy and Paopan?

dyachei who decided to shoot her teammate D1 when low in numbers?

ilario who decided to shoot his teammate (or claim hollowkatt's vig) and claim 3p as wolf?

sabie12 who decided to claim night vigilante D2 and shot Ender of all people?

Or perhaps crazier territories like falcon claiming red check on a wolf mate and green check on town or Belzy's and Porscha's wolf roles being exactly toxic masons?
Oh wait I entirely forgot Justplayingitcool existed.
I forget I exist too

Are you a lost wolf?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:58 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:57 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:56 pm I think this is bringing me into closing on DrWilgy/Paopan/sabie12

I just hate the implication of possibly lynching a town vigilante here.
Boy you would hate to be introduced to a role called Serial Killer.
Usually a serial killer has to kill mafia when town is clearly losing

Btw I won a serial killer game like this in 2019

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=81078

It was pretty fun but sad that I already peaked as non-town

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:57 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:56 pm I think this is bringing me into closing on DrWilgy/Paopan/sabie12

I just hate the implication of possibly lynching a town vigilante here.
Boy you would hate to be introduced to a role called Serial Killer.

Usually a serial killer has to kill mafia when town is clearly losing

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:51 pm The world where all of alexa, Sloonei and I are town seem pretty complicated. Who could be wolf?

DrWilgy and Paopan?

dyachei who decided to shoot her teammate D1 when low in numbers?

ilario who decided to shoot his teammate (or claim hollowkatt's vig) and claim 3p as wolf?

sabie12 who decided to claim night vigilante D2 and shot Ender of all people?

Or perhaps crazier territories like falcon claiming red check on a wolf mate and green check on town or Belzy's and Porscha's wolf roles being exactly toxic masons?

Oh wait I entirely forgot Justplayingitcool existed.

I think this is bringing me into closing on DrWilgy/Paopan/sabie12

I just hate the implication of possibly lynching a town vigilante here.

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:53 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:51 pm The world where all of alexa, Sloonei and I are town seem pretty complicated. Who could be wolf?

DrWilgy and Paopan?

dyachei who decided to shoot her teammate D1 when low in numbers?

ilario who decided to shoot his teammate (or claim hollowkatt's vig) and claim 3p as wolf?

sabie12 who decided to claim night vigilante D2 and shot Ender of all people?

Or perhaps crazier territories like falcon claiming red check on a wolf mate and green check on town or Belzy's and Porscha's wolf roles being exactly toxic masons?
If i have to defend myself and Porscha being town at this rate i will jump off a bridge lol

Would come roughly at the same time falcon has to explain how he didn't decide to just claim a red check on his partner.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:46 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:40 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:38 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:37 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:35 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:30 pm Perhaps we can rely on sabie12 being town and tell her to vig inside POE. We'd need to get at least one of the lynch/vig targets right to live to D5 though.
Don't trust her. She broke her promise, is two faced, only shot town, and lied about shooting Paopan who we give high scum%
It is not necessary to use such harsh personal language when making this accusation.
I am sorry, where?
two-faced was a bit strong
It is? I am not a native English speaker. Having two faces just means showinf one face here (in the thread) and a different one elsewhere (the chat with Alexa and me). How do you say that less strong in English?
That’s alright. I certainly don’t think you meant any harm. But “two faced” has harsher connotations among some native English speakers. Simply saying that sabie lied about her actions would do the trick.

I thought two-faced was very within mafia roleplay standards.

I think finding one wolf at a time is a lot better than getting frustrated when your POE is smaller than the actual number of wolves.

I will be quite happy already if we hit one wolf today.

The world where all of alexa, Sloonei and I are town seem pretty complicated. Who could be wolf?

DrWilgy and Paopan?

dyachei who decided to shoot her teammate D1 when low in numbers?

ilario who decided to shoot his teammate (or claim hollowkatt's vig) and claim 3p as wolf?

sabie12 who decided to claim night vigilante D2 and shot Ender of all people?

Or perhaps crazier territories like falcon claiming red check on a wolf mate and green check on town or Belzy's and Porscha's wolf roles being exactly toxic masons?

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:41 pm We are nearing 10k posts!!!!!!!

12% of them will be mine

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:39 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:34 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:32 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:31 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:30 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:26 pm LinearPoint - Dependent on alexa's alignment
how so? Don't really see how protecting a Town or protecting a Mafia are different.
All it would mean if Alexa flips Mafia would be that she lied about being shot by mafia.
imo if alexa flips town you're likely town and if alexa flips wolf you're likely wolf.
Still don't really see why.
It's like saying if Doctor accidentally healed a Mafia being shot by a Vig N1 the Doctor has to be Mafia.
I think your claim comes as pretty convenient to "clear" alexa.
True, but Alexa did claim that she got it at the start of day 2 from what Neeko remembers.
So it should be fairly obvious that she did receive it. Plus there wasn't a Mafia kill the night she said it popped.
People were talking about lynching Alexa because the vest wasn't real and as far as Neeko was concerned it was real and felt the need to clear it up.
If Neeko was wrong and stopped a Vig shot, oh well a Mafia dies today if that is the case and Neeko's fine being shot by Sabie since her usefulness has pretty much dried out.
This just feels agenday to say that Neeko cannot be Town if Alexa is Mafia. You've also been switching reads around a lot pretty much nor hard town reading many people and it's looking like you're trying to keep open as many possibilities for mislynches as possible.

Okay, whatever. I guess you will only be added to the POE if alexa flips mafia here which atp I doubt it.

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:38 pm Chopping a wolf is obviously better. but as I know for a fact that illario is not achieving his proclaimed "win con" after today, I worry about what other powers he has and how the unknown can fuck us up.

I feel like if we consider any other lynch option as too risky we should just lynch illario. I think that's one lynch that shouldn't immediately end the game tonight.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:37 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:35 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:30 pm Perhaps we can rely on sabie12 being town and tell her to vig inside POE. We'd need to get at least one of the lynch/vig targets right to live to D5 though.
Don't trust her. She broke her promise, is two faced, only shot town, and lied about shooting Paopan who we give high scum%
It is not necessary to use such harsh personal language when making this accusation.

It's pretty within the acceptable to a game of roleplay and deception.

You all think Paopan is wolf?

alexa is right we have to assume the world she is town because that's the one world we're clearly losing.

If we decide it is better to sleep then I suggest we instead lynch ilario today just to be sure.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:32 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:31 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:30 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:26 pm LinearPoint - Dependent on alexa's alignment
how so? Don't really see how protecting a Town or protecting a Mafia are different.
All it would mean if Alexa flips Mafia would be that she lied about being shot by mafia.
imo if alexa flips town you're likely town and if alexa flips wolf you're likely wolf.
Still don't really see why.
It's like saying if Doctor accidentally healed a Mafia being shot by a Vig N1 the Doctor has to be Mafia.

I think your claim comes as pretty convenient to "clear" alexa.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:31 pm How likely are we to have another night vig when you factor in Radishes flip?

Master Radishes is a day vig, no?

Damn the POE should be pretty tight and we can't even find a wolf

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:30 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:26 pm LinearPoint - Dependent on alexa's alignment
how so? Don't really see how protecting a Town or protecting a Mafia are different.
All it would mean if Alexa flips Mafia would be that she lied about being shot by mafia.

imo if alexa flips town you're likely town and if alexa flips wolf you're likely wolf.

Perhaps we can rely on sabie12 being town and tell her to vig inside POE. We'd need to get at least one of the lynch/vig targets right to live to D5 though.

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