The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:42 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:42 pm I'm between Falcon and Porscha ftr. Could also do Jack.

Not Rondo?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:24 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:35 pm Now that Alison wagon is something: a bunch of players I would vote + Lilypetal.

@Creature Given that your characterization of my wagon is "a bunch of players I would vote" (ie. a bunch of players you find scummy), why is your read on me being influenced by them all thinking there is something scummy about me?

arogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:20 pm Gotta go, but I'm gonna sheep Mac and Creature on this one and give the benefit of the doubt :/

Rather I would work with my towns than stay on a vanity wagon now tbh

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:15 pm @Creature you have your own independent reason for scumreading Falcon. Why did you just push Alison onto me for answers. Fucking antagonist.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:11 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:59 pm Why is RondoDimBuckle voting himself? SPF being there is also kinda meh for her.

i dislike that i am the only person in this game (save for possibly mac) who has posted any type of suspicion against the misspsarkles slot in spite of the fact that they are the easiest low hanging fruit in the world for wolves to push on. i decided to park my vote there for a while and see if it would gain any kind of momentum

also i am positive that he wasn't self-voting when i originally voted him, so he must have done it within the last hour without posting lol

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:11 pm Why are we wagoning Falcon over Porscha? Does anyone have a summary/case?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:06 pm LAMIST is Look At Me I'm So Town, just another way to say performative basically.

Its a dumb term

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:01 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:00 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:59 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:58 pm I have reservations about Mac but meh he has one night to nightkill me before I express them.

Why? Has Mac done something to worry you or is it irrational fear? I'd say he's my strongest tr as of rn and I think he's sounding like and playing like every town game I've seen him in

He feels kinda LAMIST.

is that an acronym?

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:59 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:58 pm I have reservations about Mac but meh he has one night to nightkill me before I express them.

Why? Has Mac done something to worry you or is it irrational fear? I'd say he's my strongest tr as of rn and I think he's sounding like and playing like every town game I've seen him in

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:38 pm "150" postcap

arogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:58 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:57 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:47 pm i am getting mildly tilted by the gamestate but it's because i am partly grumpy and tired so im trying to hold my tongue

this gamestate is really quite horrible though

We'll prob end up (mis)lynching falcon45ca D1 again.

aren't u on Falcon rn tho? I am confused.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:47 pm i am getting mildly tilted by the gamestate but it's because i am partly grumpy and tired so im trying to hold my tongue

this gamestate is really quite horrible though

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:34 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:25 pm How many does it have to be to be salad?

I could yeet SPF, Alison or maybe Mac.

This is ... like completely suboptimal in a level 1 way.

@arogame123 @Boquise you have both capped by +1

The chaos merchant within appreciates this Alison wagon. I think Alison has potential to be the deep wolf of the 3 for sure. But never do the wolves job for them. You have to give her a chance to get night killed lol.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:31 pm agree on creature playing too clearly
play like this more @Creature

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:27 pm Everybody promise to not vote past 8:00.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:08 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:04 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:54 pm Also Creature, I saw you went from Porscha to likely not being a hit to now having Porsscha in top 2 in ur wagon. What is the main reason for that?

Idk how to read Porscha tbh. I feel like I am biased to wolfread her every game and I got bothered when she got six votes at someone. She's in my top 2 because apparently reputable players (like Alison) seem to be wolfreading her so that improves her chance to be a hit.

Hmm I see, but what's ur read on Alison? I didn't see u tr her, unless ur just putting faith in her for today and giving her the benefit of the doubt.

For what it's worth, I found it interesting that Alison reversed her read on Neon but then I saw her also push on Porscha and I'm like hmm interesting.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:54 pm Also Creature, I saw you went from Porscha to likely not being a hit to now having Porsscha in top 2 in ur wagon. What is the main reason for that?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:21 am Townasferkkkkk

Lucy
Neon
SPF
Seanzie
Aro

Lil Bit Towny

Lilypetal
Creature
Nanook
Falcon

Wolfy

Boq
Porscha
Alison

Everyone else

Jack
MissSparkles (who is essentially outed by virtue of having been pushed by nobody)

Postgame guess for cred

MissSparkles
Alison
Boquise

I will be posting once every couple of hours copying this template and updating based on how the game is panning out. If you have any questions you wish answered I will answer them in bulk.

I hate you all for making me nearly cap in a game I was trying to slank and shitpost in.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:31 am Then againnnn...

I am an expert at wagonomics and due to the wagon spread the below holds very likely to be 1 wolf in each grouping (removing myself because duh).

JOH, Alison, Creature - Strong because it's ro4 not 3 so 1 wolf being in this group is very likely. All of Alison/Creature/Mac voting a town is relatively unlikely, but offset by the fact that I think we're just voting Jack because he's rand, but then there are no wolves voting someone who is easy to push? So there is very likely a difference check between Jack and one of his three voters and it's most likely Jack himself because of the lack of wolves voting (and if one of Creature is a wolf voting, it makes him >rand wolf for bussing tbh).

Creature, Neon, Lucy - Not strong (given I drove it and was probs wrong and Neon/Lucy are sheeping). If there is one here I think it's always Creature because of strength of read on Neon/Lucy.

Porscha, SPF, Boq - Strong. Similar to the first grouping, it's relatively unlikely that town SPF and town Boq would not be voting a wolf. That is just a read on their town quality. I think Porscha is approaching the limit of her scumrange in this game though, and SPF is a beacon of town virtue here so Boq is looking like ass in this grouping.

Seanzie, Nanook, Falcon - I feel like Seanzie is very towny. Falcon isn't really out of his scumrange and is just being given a pass by Alison for bad reasons. Nanook voting seanzie here just feels like something town Nanook would be doing so I can give him a pass for it. Town Nanook and town Falcon voting town Seanzie should have attracted a bad wolf vote by now so again I think there is probably 1 here and it's probably Falcon.

I would tend to think the mafia is composed in some formation of the below

JOH/Alison
Porscha/Boq
Seanzie/Nanook/Falcon

And I am thinking right now it's probably Jack, Boquise, Falcon.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:54 pm I thought both were pretty townie early on and Boq's frustration of his town reads on him not defending him felt pretty townie as well. I feel like he has been attempting to push the game in a direction and his getting sr for "fear of potential powerwoflers." Additionally, I think the way Boq handled Porscha was pretty townie and explained his issues that he was having with Porscha but also noted some parts of townieness that he found. It didn't seem like he was just sr Porscha to just hop on her wagon.

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:39 pm Like i said, spf, alison, mac in that case.
I guess I will have to reconsder Seanzie since he is hellbent on this being in his wolf range but i have more often than not found his approach come from a town or not.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:39 pm i'm contractually obligated to become a wagon on d1 for horrible reasons every time i roll town

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:34 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:31 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:29 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:24 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:21 pm The more Creature baselessly calls votes shrug yeets and implies that they are essentially =rand when people have dropped entire cases on them and called them outed etc. the more I think he is partners with Porscha and was caught with his pants down.

I'm challenging people to come up with cases. I pretty much started with wolfreading Porscha but got concerned I was myself just confbiasing her and others were jumping in for easy mislynch.

I have been dropping cases on Porscha ever since I came back. Have you read them?

I read the one with two paragraphs. The second paragraph is fair. Though the first paragraph seemed like a gamestate read yet I feel like I was the main component of your gamestate read (the one calling Porscha an easy vote). Am I missing someone?

You missed the one where I argued that SPF and Boquise being run up for unclear reasons EOD1 is >>rand likely to be the result of evil intentions, and that the most obvious reason for it is relieving pressure off Porscha.

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:33 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:30 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:26 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:24 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:23 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:20 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:18 pm

my most concrete scum read has been porscha - but she has also done a thing that I have mostly seen by town. Alison's case made me reconsider again.

I think that you, alison, mac, and jack have been side-lining a lot (aside from the mac vs Alison stuff earlier) where you exist and (with the exception of jack) make posts that sound generally good and that's that.

what

weirded out by you describing me, alison, and mac as "side-lining" when we have almost singlehandedly been steering the momentum of the game but it's probably not an alignment indicative thing

if youre town then you should vote jack with me

but there is no momentum in this game, thats the problem tbh

why jack over porscha. I will sleep in a few minutes tbh

i agree the gamestate has actually been pretty slow/stagnant in general, but i wouldn't go as far as to say it has "no momentum". in either case, i don't understand why you described the few players in this game who have actually been attempting to create momentum as being the ones who are sitting in the sidelines, but i dont really care enough to pursue it further

i think the posts that jack has made so far are borderline gibberish and represent a thought process that i find it difficult to believe that he would have as town (ie: "i think SPF's description of neon is scummy but i'm not allowed to push on SPF because neon thinks SPF is town, but also, i don't think that neon is town either"), he made several posts that gestured toward solving without actually doing it (ie: asking for opinions on porscha and the never following up with it), and his vote on you was uncharacteristically lazy

i'm not really sold on him being mafia but i do think his posts are probably the worst out of everyone who has posted so far, and if he is town then i know he is capable of doing much better

okay, but i wanna explain myself some more tbh
like, yes, sure, there IS some momentum.

In my experience, when the wagons are stagnant/day feels slow, and a town (me in this case) gets pushed for just being around and trying to play properly, and a lot of lhf names are thrown around, scum is sitting comfy and just steers the game without getting their hands dirty. Thats the impression I got when playing today tbh. That a wolf is most likely located in that sweet spot tbh.

i've seen jack be lazy as both alignments, but alright. I will consider. I am currently following Alison's Porscha take and re-evaluating my own conclusion. We'll see where I land tbh

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:29 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:26 pm I wonder if Boq is frustrated at me because I called him "disappointing". That sounds towny from him, but I feel like he can fake frustration like he did in Pokemash.

im hurt in the meow meow that you decided to ignore me in three games and idk what i have done to offend the creature tbh

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:29 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:24 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:21 pm The more Creature baselessly calls votes shrug yeets and implies that they are essentially =rand when people have dropped entire cases on them and called them outed etc. the more I think he is partners with Porscha and was caught with his pants down.

I'm challenging people to come up with cases. I pretty much started with wolfreading Porscha but got concerned I was myself just confbiasing her and others were jumping in for easy mislynch.

I have been dropping cases on Porscha ever since I came back. Have you read them?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:21 pm The more Creature baselessly calls votes shrug yeets and implies that they are essentially =rand when people have dropped entire cases on them and called them outed etc. the more I think he is partners with Porscha and was caught with his pants down.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:21 pm The more Creature baselessly calls votes shrug yeets and implies that they are essentially =rand when people have dropped entire cases on them and called them outed etc. the more I think he is partners with Porscha and was caught with his pants down.

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:14 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:12 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:10 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:02 pm If Porscha is wolf good chances NANOOK is town for the TMI thing.

if porscha is a wolf then you are looking pretty bad tbh

Porscha still remains a shrug lynch and if she flips wolf then the 1/5 rand was in our favor. Unless someone has a good wolfcase for Porscha.

Whats the difference between the porscha wagon, my wagon, and jack's wagon?

What will your first post be D2 if I end up being misyeeted today tbh?

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:10 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:02 pm If Porscha is wolf good chances NANOOK is town for the TMI thing.

if porscha is a wolf then you are looking pretty bad tbh

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:04 pm At this point the number of people crying that the Porscha wagon is too easy has exceeded the number of people that actually shrugvoted them. They are being widely defended, directly ("the Porscha wagon is too auto and lazy"... as though you have never seen an auto and lazy wagon hit scum before?) and indirectly ("oh no! let's vote, uh, SPF, or Boq, for unclear reasons!"), and this occurred as a direct response to them being run up. They have not been townie since and nobody has given a concrete reason why they are. I particularly really didn't like Lilypetal randomly declaring Porscha's responses are "town indicative" with zero explanation why when she was repping a pretty strong wolfread on Porscha previously.

Porscha's actual defense against the pressure that has been put on her has been that she is being oppressed by the evil bourgeoisie of "strong players", two of which she specifically called out as not voting her. It was borderline ATE and reeked of being caught for the wrong reasons. It read more like someone venting about cliques postgame than anything. When they do express suspicion that there are 2+ strong wolves in the town they don't seem at all interested in figuring out who those wolves are or voting them despite the fact that they seem to think that town is being run over by them.

I don't know why people are defending this slot or what they find townie about Porscha's reaction to pressure so kindly enlighten me if you think Porscha is town.