The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:18 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:10 pm Im telling you right now, i aint attempting to save anyone in this game but myself, i believes in flips over saves.

Are people gonna have to spend another 2 rl weeks begging you to read the rules post

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:37 am Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:58 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:42 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:37 am Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Falcon says he's town when he's mafia as well.

I don't know or care about the role claims.

I don't really think he's suspicious, but he doesn't have a "I'm town" truth tell.

I don't care if you don't care.

This game has no vanilla town roles. Falcon said he doesn't fake claim roles. He claimed a town role. So unless we believe his previous statement about having that meta was a lie, falcon should be treated as confirmed or nearly confirmed town.

I'm not saying falcon has a "no lie" meta. I'm saying he has a "no fake claim" meta. Those metas exist, I've met people with them in other sites before.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:07 pm Gullo is town.

I keep agreeing with everything he says.

Michelle's entry was yucky and Dizzy feels weird, yeah.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:56 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:46 pm Guillotine is mafia

Eh...

I could agree if I hadn't spent day 1 mindmelding with him.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:19 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:12 pm I would kill creature, Sig, or Falcon today probably.

I wouldn't kill Sig out of those.

Creature is feeling ok this phase too.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:26 am I feel like sheeping Guillo but I don't wanna sheep.

Help.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:38 am I have no idea what to think of Marmot and that scares me, usually I have Marmotopinions soon enough, he feels a bit contained here. Lean scum.

falcon looks a little better after I made the post where I said he looked bad, like I can't read him well but he feels somewhat similar to last game?

Did Urist do anything besides math

GTH scum team is hollow, Urist and Marmot.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:31 am Guillo I see a nonzero chance Nanook shoots you out of annoyance that you keep saying he's sheeping you.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:28 pm I caught up most posts since my last one but this game is making me angry. I'm making a lot of effort not to flame Urist and NAA for the fact they apparently signed up just to troll people.

I need time away from this game.

I guess if you guys need some reads, Sig looks like classic tinfoil Sig. Do not shoot there. Urist/NAA could be mafia and I don't care. Hollowkat probably mafia. Guillo def town. I like Creature and Marmot now. No opinions on the rest. Me not having opinions on someone is a worse sign than otherwise, but not strongly.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:19 am guillo if you and creature can stop fighting we can form a towncore plz and thank you

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:04 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:35 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:19 am guillo if you and creature can stop fighting we can form a towncore plz and thank you

I cant form towncore with someone who both “suspects” me and townreads me because that is an indication of fabricated pushes.

Why is Creature good for you?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:06 pm Quote above broke.

But the answer is he just feels right tbh.

Also the thing you are describing can be easily explained by Creature not being sure of his reads, which is well, normal.

[VOTE: hollowkat] aubergine

For the towncore.

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 6:36 pm Just kill falcon so that dunya doesn't have to replace imo

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Feb 19, 2022 11:45 am falcon replaced out of RoP, just kill him here so dunya doesn't need to get a replacement. He's in the poe anyway.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:58 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:12 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:23 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:22 pm Okay. This kill surprises me.

Wolfy.

Falcon. Give me your top 3 scum, who you’d shoot today?

Space Daisy, Creature, Urist and Wilgy



I figure 4 is better than 3, and I feel there's at least 2 Maf in that POE

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:47 am My PoE at the moment is basically anyone outside of me, Guillo and Nook.

I have a slight town lean on Urist.

I have no read at all on Wilgy.

I have a fluctuating read on falcon so I'd say slight wolf lean.

I don't trust Creature or DDL.

If the shot was in my hands I would shoot DDL.

This all comes with no ISOs yet. I'm about to get sleep now, so I will go ahead and vote on DDL at the moment, but it could still change before the shot gets taken, I'm not sure.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:12 am Alright, I've looked over to Guillo to see if I may feel differently about him. Here is what I've got:

First, on Day 1 there were so many mistakes. Just so many. I get he could be a wolf faking them. But some of them just would even open him up to suspicion rather than getting him a town read. Specifically where he put forward a plan that would sacrifice Nook, which would result in an immediate loss, but didn't seem to realize that. I don't doubt Guillo's ability to lie here, I just get a genuine vibe from these.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:53 am I would never kill fingersplint if I was a wolf, I would kill me, I would kill DDL if they are town, Dyslexicon if they are town or at the very least a loud voice. That kill was simply a doc dodge, but that's good because those slots like that are PoE so the wolves are helping us box them in with those kills.

GOOD JOB TRASH PANDAS! GOOD JOB! I Approve lol.

This post looks civ to me. The thing in this game is that they don't have to convince the most people, they have to convince one person. And they have literally no real tangible influence in Nook's decision. So this game even more than others, I think the wolves need to keep us from whittling down the PoE. Because otherwise, they are a higher risk that Nook taking a shot in the dark will hit one of them. The fact that Guillo recognized it was a doc a dodge, called it that and moved on looks Civ to me. Because I think that trying to paint it as some calculated kill for a reason is silly. It was N1, there were hardly a lot of hard suspicions out there. Splints was quiet enough that she likely wouldn't be protected or hard town read by anyone so she would be a safer kill for them. This seemed really straightforward to me. Guillo obviously thought the same, and I like that look on him because it doesn't look like a wolf trying to draw connections to anyone they can.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 4:25 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 4:10 pm We aren't making decisions at the end of the day other than where and when to protect. It's not on us specifically to "remove" another player from the game.

I keep forgetting that my vote is worth a damn in this game and that the only thing that wolves have to do in this game is to pocket Nanook and doc dodge every night.

But I think Michelle is in her wolf meta, how long has it been since the game started? 20 hours? with only 4 posts? Michelle has a post volume wolf tell, I remember I had to bus her for it in Spider-verse because others knew about it and knew I knew about it and I would look suspicious if I didn't bring it up. It's how Mac and I keep catching her at Mafia Universe. I think Nanook knows about this too but knowing him, he will probably let her live just because I'm sussing her but mark my words, I host a lot for her and her town meta vs her wolf meta difference is that STARK!

Given the flip, this is a town look.

Alright, I'm not quoting more, I feel pretty confident in my read of Guillo.

The things I mentioned above, plus the fact he has a high degree of OMGUS suspicions (not all, but the majority), and the fact he has tunneled so hard. All of these would not be beneficial to a wolf in this set up, I don't believe. And they read very town to me.

Guillo is town.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:48 am Falcon

When I read the quick vote on DDL, followed up by the response he got from DDL, my first thought was is this distancing?

But what I find interesting in that exchange is that falcon doesn't even acknowledge what DDL was saying about him. That seems odd to me. it reads like someone who doesn't want to attract attention to themself.

Then I read on and realized that falcon hasn't really contributed a lot. Like... he asks a question of someone once in a while, usually generic like, "what do you think of this person?" or "who do you suspect?" But then falcon only lists suspects with no real reason to suspect any of them. Even weirder is pairing me and Creature as teammates.

I would definitely leave falcon in my PoE and would even say this is a wolf read.

The question is, if falcon is bad what might that say about DDl? Just something to ponder.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:25 am Alright, to recap, here is my trust list in order from top (person I'd be least likely to shoot if I were Nook) to bottom (someone I would shoot most quickly if I were Nook)

Guillo
DDL
Wilgy
Urist
Creature
falcon

I'm moving my vote to [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:52 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:50 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:12 am Because I think that trying to paint it as some calculated kill for a reason is silly. It was N1, there were hardly a lot of hard suspicions out there. Splints was quiet enough that she likely wouldn't be protected or hard town read by anyone so she would be a safer kill for them. This seemed really straightforward to me. Guillo obviously thought the same, and I like that look on him because it doesn't look like a wolf trying to draw connections to anyone they can.

Creature is doing exactly that right now.

I know.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:49 pm I mean, I believe we have three wolves among Creature, falcon, Urist, and Wilgy. I like the odds of shooting any one of those. I just feel more comfortable with either falcon or Creature.

Guillo, I will look back at your ISO to refresh on why Urist. I just have to work again today so I won't have as much time.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:22 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:06 pm Maybe I'm less sure at Spacedaisy. Guillo looks horrible from his post-D1 pushes being mostly on town. falcon also doesn't seem any worried about this LyLo so he's probably wolf here. Spacedaisy looks slightly better from pushing falcon, but also her POE seems pretty lazy.

What he looked to me was like someone tunneling, which is more likely to come from a town than a wolf. If our votes counted for something, it might be a different story, but in this setup I think it benefits wolves a lot more to keep us from getting any kind of slim PoE, because it lowers the chance Nook might shoot one of them. Tunneling won't help that. Especially given Nook hasn't seemed interested in his tunnels after his D1 Michelle kill. In the end Nook makes this call, not the vote. You can bet the wolves recognize that and have to play to that setup. Normally, big tunneled cases might convince lazy players to vote someone. Here it doesn't matter who votes, it only matters what Nook thinks and wolves can't predict that if Nook doesn't say anything. Which he rightfully hasn't. So the best bet for a wolf team is keeping spreading as much suspicion around as possible rather than tunneling one or two people they know are going to flip town. This is part of why Guillo looks town to me, among many other things.

Could he have me pocketed? It's not beyond the realm of possibility, but I don't believe it is the case. I think he is genuinely town. I have to be able to start from somewhere, so I'm going to trust my instincts and read on this. If he fooled me, kudos to him.

Regardless, in the end what I believe about Guillo doesn't matter. Nook's opinion on him does.

P.S. Thanks for the compliment on my skill, even if you were trying to shade me with it.

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:46 pm Guillotine is mafia

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:34 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:07 am

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:43 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:31 am

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:02 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 9:11 am

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 9:08 am

Don't claim your shots.

Who says im not lying.

It doesn't matter. Just don't claim.

So you are saying im town now?

I'm saying if you are town, don't claim.

Do you have any opinions on anything that are not mechanics?

Of your 25 posts, only 1 talks about people's alignments, and it's from yesterday, so for Day 2 you are at zero. If participation in scumhunting was to be used as a criterium for who to yeet, you are the first option.

i already said that guillotine is mafia, what more do you want from me

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 8:51 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:55 pm Guillotine could be a bus, but I think he is fine for now.

hollowkatt looks bad for softdefending her.

Just added NotAnAxehole in for reference.

I guess from an outside point of view I would look bad for defending her, but I brought up reasons why I gutread Michelle town.

Dyslexicon looks bad, arguably more than hollowkatt.

Dragon D. Luffy looks good.

Daily reminder that guillotine is mafia.
It's likely to be a bus based on how he claimed credit for the michelle kill.

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:17 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME i'm pretty sure ddl & wilgy are town, so if you're right about spacedaisy then the scumteam is just guillotine, creature and falcon.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:25 pm Creature
Dragon D. Luffy
DrWilgy
falcon
Guillotine
Spacedaisy
Urist

Four giant pandas and three trash pandas here.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:26 pm I think Guillotine is wolf.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:28 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:23 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:22 pm Okay. This kill surprises me.

Wolfy.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:24 pm I always found your RD 1 town read on me as pockety



[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Not sure if I am fan of this entrance.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:29 pm Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

I like to think I'm open minded.




Tunneling scum is towny btw

but I'm not wolf so your apparent overconfidence on me looks staged af

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:37 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:34 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:29 pm Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

I like to think I'm open minded.




Tunneling scum is towny btw

but I'm not wolf so your apparent overconfidence on me looks staged af

Hmmmmm, gonna have to disagree with ya there and say this looks staged.



How is sus of your slot overconfidence?

It doesn't look like you have any reason to wolfread me. Instead, it looks like you're resorting to pressing the same key and using smug cowboy lines as if that's going to make your non-case compelling.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:43 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:41 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:37 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:34 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:29 pm Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

I like to think I'm open minded.




Tunneling scum is towny btw

but I'm not wolf so your apparent overconfidence on me looks staged af

Hmmmmm, gonna have to disagree with ya there and say this looks staged.



How is sus of your slot overconfidence?

It doesn't look like you have any reason to wolfread me. Instead, it looks like you're resorting to pressing the same key and using smug cowboy lines as if that's going to make your non-case compelling.

This kinda just reads like a wolf who's upset they're being SR when they think they've been playing a strong town game.




Also ignore the fact that I rarely make "good cases"




Let's pretend your POE isn't 50% OMGUS right now. Who else is in your POE besides Guillo?

I think DDL is my only non-NANOOK townread so almost everyone is in my POE. I'm trying to sort names and so far I think Guillotine fits as a wolf here.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:41 pm Guess I'm only seeing Guillotine + falcon rn. Not sure who can be the third.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:48 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:10 am I want Urist head but for some reason you guys rather keep her around, my only hope is that Nanook sheeps me this time.

The second next best thing is Creature, if you change your mind about Urist, i will switch there. @Spacedaisy , you asked why? ISO me again.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

I feel like this is spewing Urist town.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:49 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:54 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:39 pm Where I'm at right now


I do not want to shoot today: myself, DDL, Guillo

I do not want to shoot today, but would not complain if Nanook shot them: sig, Spacedaisy, falcon, hollowkatt, NAA

I would be ok with shooting today: Creature, Dizzy, DrWilgy, Urist

Let me level with you all, specially Nanook. I got the feeling Marmot got killed for this legacy and it's the very reason why I think Urist and Creature as scum

Marmot was one of the towniest players at the time and I think their kill was just getting rid of townread players like NAA and Dyslexicon.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:53 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:50 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:12 am Because I think that trying to paint it as some calculated kill for a reason is silly. It was N1, there were hardly a lot of hard suspicions out there. Splints was quiet enough that she likely wouldn't be protected or hard town read by anyone so she would be a safer kill for them. This seemed really straightforward to me. Guillo obviously thought the same, and I like that look on him because it doesn't look like a wolf trying to draw connections to anyone they can.

Creature is doing exactly that right now.

It isn't a calculated kill. I just doubt wolves would kill N1 a player they don't even know and wasn't posing a danger D1 and wasn't townread either. It's pretty reasonable to believe the fingersplints kill seems to come from one oldschooler or a player familiar with fingersplints.

Also you're now doing the same with Marmot.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:54 pm DDL/Guillo/Space being all town looks weird fmpov.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:57 pm Guillo and Space look wolfy in this page. DDL at least doesn't seem to be participating of this wolfy circlejerk. Perhaps falcon is the third wolf here as both DrWilgy and Urist seem town.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:06 pm Maybe I'm less sure at Spacedaisy. Guillo looks horrible from his post-D1 pushes being mostly on town. falcon also doesn't seem any worried about this LyLo so he's probably wolf here. Spacedaisy looks slightly better from pushing falcon, but also her POE seems pretty lazy.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:52 pm I don't have anything groundbreaking right now. I think my preference is at falcon > Guillo > Spacedaisy. Being wrong on hollowkatt still gets me though.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:24 am

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:26 pm I think Guillotine is wolf.

Didnt i tell you yesterday that your “Guillo is town FOR NOW” read looked like you were setting me up for a mischop later?

Today is the day you explain why im a wolf or im gonna bury you.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:27 am

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:35 pm From what I have right now:

Town:
Creature
Dragon D. Luffy
NANOOK

Null land:
DrWilgy
Spacedaisy
Urist

Wolves:
falcon
Guillotine

Oh fuck no. This guy is a wolf.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:30 am

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:49 pm I probably have to study for an important exam I have tomorrow and then I'll have another exam thursday. My week is pretty busy yet I am wasting a lot of time trying to salvage this game (or at least help NANOOK to in some way).

I don't know how to make it obvious I am town because I feel like most players here haven't played with me or don't seem to know me well enough and I don't have any recent wolf game to be used as a reference. I hate being read by standardized tells that mostly seem just playstyle indicative than actually wolf indicative, but sadly I am too lazy to bring all my games to show it's just playstyle. Guess I am forced to trust NANOOK's dictatorship because democracy here clearly isn't working.

My reasons for townreading Dragon D. Luffy come mostly from sheeping Dyslexicon atp I guess, while the other part makes me just hope DDL is town because they're the only other player that seems to be playing and trying to make themselves readable enough.

I demand that you tell everyone why I’m a wolf. I dare you!
If you don’t you are a chicken.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:34 am Bruh, i scum read Creature on day 1 and i forgot why, but im gonna find out again. By the way i have all my doctor shots so i may or may not self defend tonight, but most likely Nanook. So better use your double kill on me tonight scum.

I’d be damn if all my day 1 suspects are actually all scum and they are voting me right now. Creature and Urist lol

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:11 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:57 pm wtf are you on about falcon? I literally have said I don't see the point in me repeating a stance I have made clear throughout the entirety of three days and the person holding the shot doesn't agree with. I have said zero about any other interactions with anyone else. How am I stifling anyone? I'm not. In fact, the opposite, I've said that once I'm past my night of work, I intend to do some ISOs on others instead because I'm done taking about Creature.

Nook, as pointed out I have all of 40 posts, an ISO isn't difficult. And if you have questions aout my stance after that, you can ask me. I have no problem answering questions, but I am not going to go on about this one person anymore when you don't agree. If what I said before didn't sway your opinion I wouldn't expect repeating it ad nauseum would somehow make a difference. And I don't have more information than you, so if you don't believe it and you have the shot, whatever man. I can't control that. I'd rather do something else today.

I agree Creature is a wolf and i plan to case him. Im gonna ISO you too because i dont remember much about you.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:33 am

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:41 pm Guess I'm only seeing Guillotine + falcon rn. Not sure who can be the third.

What? You scared to spew someone else town?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:37 am

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:17 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME i'm pretty sure ddl & wilgy are town, so if you're right about spacedaisy then the scumteam is just guillotine, creature and falcon.

So let me get this straight, you see Creature’s treatment of me and Falcon/Creature interaction and deduce that we all are a team?

Bruh our scum theater must be really dope huh.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:47 am

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:46 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:24 pm The big things that do stick out in my head is the fact that Day Creature had 29 posts, of which 19 were mech discussion posts. Then at the end of the day he bemoaned that today was such a bust because all people talked about was mech and the wolves can hide in mech talk. Despite the fact that he was one of the driving forces of that conversation.

I agree I was part of it. I said wolves would most likely make mech talks because it's way easier than faking solving and I don't think that contradicts with myself being part of it. I was mostly pointing out that, despite me being part of it, wolves could very well be talking about mechanics.

I also recall feeling like when NAA and Marmot were took out, it was likely an opportunity for the wolves to try and come in and control conversation. I waited because I wanted to see who seemed to come charging in. The two who came in were Creature and DDL. Creature also came in with wall posts reads. I didn't care for the look, but not something by itself that was bad.

When I saw NAA and Marmot killed, I was first frustrated because they were such obvious favorite targets and they were killed right under eight doctor noses. I was surprised no one bothered to protect them. Also, the day starting at 7 v 3 with only one mislynch being available increased my sense of urgency to do the solving and get the game home before it was too late. You say wolves were going to take that opportunity to control thread conversation but a town can very well decide to step up after their two top townreads and most trustable players just dropped dead this cleanly.

I cannot fathom why anyone would have thought Dizzy bad. There is no world in which a wolf makes the post he did. It makes literally no sense to believe that he was wolf. Yet Creature and DDL were on him. It was beyond me, and the only reason I can see that someone would do it is because they would want to keep as many question marks out there as possible.

I was initially pushing Dyslexicon because their posts felt mostly empty, devoid of reads and I thought they were raising their postcount to look like they were doing something. I later changed my read on Dyslexicon when they came in and started making towny posts and showing no real care for how their posts looked like.

Not gonna lie. I like this post, i think it’s townie. If Creature is town we are so fucked.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 2:59 am

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 10:09 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 10:05 pm I'm gonna shoot at 24 hour mark every day, first person to complain about it or call it anti-town gets shot today

Not opposed to this. Waiting 48 hours for a flip feels unbearable.

I can see scum loving the idea of short days, less information for us, less chances for town to reevaluate etc.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:36 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:47 am My PoE at the moment is basically anyone outside of me, Guillo and Nook.

I have a slight town lean on Urist.

I have no read at all on Wilgy.

I have a fluctuating read on falcon so I'd say slight wolf lean.

I don't trust Creature or DDL.

If the shot was in my hands I would shoot DDL.

This all comes with no ISOs yet. I'm about to get sleep now, so I will go ahead and vote on DDL at the moment, but it could still change before the shot gets taken, I'm not sure.

I dont see DDL being a wolf tbh.

Creature is a rollercoaster with an ISO mix of scummy and townie posts.

I dont know about Wilgy, Nanook will have to shoot blindly there if he shoots there.

Urist has been death tunneling me without any reason and so has Creature but at least creature is not afraid to speak his mind about everything else, i dont remember much from Urist.
Why is he town?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 11:18 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:05 am

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:35 pm [VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine

You know what gets me about you? You went one about mechanics. Then you turned around and said you thought talking mechanics was a way mafia was hiding (after nearly 2/3 of your posts were about mechanics). And now you are saying you want to lynch someone who wasn't all about mechanics. You are shady as hell my friend.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

P.S. Not being mechanics minded and not being math minded are two different things. I was engaged in the mechanics conversation. I deferred in the end to someone who is math minded.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:53 am

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 9:58 am One can pretty much talk about mechanics yet recognize wolves' easiest thing to do is talk about mechanics.

Yeah and what you did was complain that there was so much mech talk (you called it sad) and implied it was a bust and his wolves. Completely overlooking your own role in it. I don’t believe you.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:29 am In fact, if I am right about Guillo and wrong about both DDL and Creature, that leaves us with falcon, Urist, and Wilgy.

I don't think I am wrong about both DDL and Creature. I would be shocked if at least one of these two was not wolf. The way DDL flipped on his read of Creature makes me prefer to see him shot today. I'll ISO later.. I have like an hour and a half left and only took a break for a few minutes from work.

Yah i remember WTFing to Creature about that, it didnt make sense at the time, but we can be hypocrites sometimes, in fact townies show hypocrisy a lot more than wolves because wolves worry about not looking bad.

I will not sheep you on DDL but maybe we can take a deeper look at those 3 names i bolded? Specially Urist, whom you town lean now? I wanna see what makes you town read Urist because they give me scummy vibes.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:41 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:03 pm I'm feeling poorly today so gonna shoot close to eod.

That's great news! I mean the shooting close to EoD not that you are feeling poorly.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:04 pm ftr I no longer townread DDL and think he could be wolf. I'm not sure if I have any strong leaning read right now. Spacedaisy is the best read I have rn because I believe she isn't really trying to be influential at all.

Explain it like I'm five years old, how is not being influential alignment indicative?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:46 am

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:01 pm I have a feeling at least one of the wolves knows fingersplints fairly well to kill them N1. I think falcon, DrWilgy, Urist and I don't know fingersplints well enough. Of course that doesn't mean we're all town but would point towards one of the wolves being among DDL/Guillo/Space assuming they all know fingersplints enough to choose killing them N1.

I got no idea who fingersplints is and is not like they made a mark in this game either.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:50 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:12 am Because I think that trying to paint it as some calculated kill for a reason is silly. It was N1, there were hardly a lot of hard suspicions out there. Splints was quiet enough that she likely wouldn't be protected or hard town read by anyone so she would be a safer kill for them. This seemed really straightforward to me. Guillo obviously thought the same, and I like that look on him because it doesn't look like a wolf trying to draw connections to anyone they can.

Creature is doing exactly that right now.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:51 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:50 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:12 am Because I think that trying to paint it as some calculated kill for a reason is silly. It was N1, there were hardly a lot of hard suspicions out there. Splints was quiet enough that she likely wouldn't be protected or hard town read by anyone so she would be a safer kill for them. This seemed really straightforward to me. Guillo obviously thought the same, and I like that look on him because it doesn't look like a wolf trying to draw connections to anyone they can.

Creature is doing exactly that right now.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:06 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:52 am Falcon. Shoot there.

Nah, we should be shooting Urist or Creature today. They both are scum in my opinion.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:10 am I want Urist head but for some reason you guys rather keep her around, my only hope is that Nanook sheeps me this time.

The second next best thing is Creature, if you change your mind about Urist, i will switch there. @Spacedaisy , you asked why? ISO me again.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:54 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:39 pm Where I'm at right now


I do not want to shoot today: myself, DDL, Guillo

I do not want to shoot today, but would not complain if Nanook shot them: sig, Spacedaisy, falcon, hollowkatt, NAA

I would be ok with shooting today: Creature, Dizzy, DrWilgy, Urist

Let me level with you all, specially Nanook. I got the feeling Marmot got killed for this legacy and it's the very reason why I think Urist and Creature as scum

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:58 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:54 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:39 pm Where I'm at right now


I do not want to shoot today: myself, DDL, Guillo

I do not want to shoot today, but would not complain if Nanook shot them: sig, Spacedaisy, falcon, hollowkatt, NAA

I would be ok with shooting today: Creature, Dizzy, DrWilgy, Urist

Let me level with you all, specially Nanook. I got the feeling Marmot got killed for this legacy and it's the very reason why I think Urist and Creature as scum

So yah this is my legacy. Obviously I'm not 100% confident cause HK and Dizzy's flipping town killed it for me and killed my WIM but I don't see a world where at least one of them is not scum.

So [VOTE: Urist] aubergine or [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

bye

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:23 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:22 pm Okay. This kill surprises me.

Wolfy.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:24 pm I always found your RD 1 town read on me as pockety



[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:28 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:23 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:22 pm Okay. This kill surprises me.

Wolfy.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:24 pm I always found your RD 1 town read on me as pockety



[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Not sure if I am fan of this entrance.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:29 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:28 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:23 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:22 pm Okay. This kill surprises me.

Wolfy.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:24 pm I always found your RD 1 town read on me as pockety



[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Not sure if I am fan of this entrance.

Funny, I have the same feelings about yours

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:29 pm Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:29 pm Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

I like to think I'm open minded.




Tunneling scum is towny btw

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:29 pm Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

I like to think I'm open minded.




Tunneling scum is towny btw

but I'm not wolf so your apparent overconfidence on me looks staged af

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:32 pm Did the rest of the wolves tell you to go hard on me today?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:34 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:29 pm Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

I like to think I'm open minded.




Tunneling scum is towny btw

but I'm not wolf so your apparent overconfidence on me looks staged af

Hmmmmm, gonna have to disagree with ya there and say this looks staged.



How is sus of your slot overconfidence?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:35 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:32 pm Did the rest of the wolves tell you to go hard on me today?

No, that was my intuition saying that.



Also, Space Daisy

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:36 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:35 pm From what I have right now:

Town:
Creature
Dragon D. Luffy
NANOOK

Null land:
DrWilgy
Spacedaisy
Urist

Wolves:
falcon
Guillotine

OMGUS

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:37 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:34 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:29 pm Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

I like to think I'm open minded.




Tunneling scum is towny btw

but I'm not wolf so your apparent overconfidence on me looks staged af

Hmmmmm, gonna have to disagree with ya there and say this looks staged.



How is sus of your slot overconfidence?

It doesn't look like you have any reason to wolfread me. Instead, it looks like you're resorting to pressing the same key and using smug cowboy lines as if that's going to make your non-case compelling.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:38 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:35 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:32 pm Did the rest of the wolves tell you to go hard on me today?

No, that was my intuition saying that.



Also, Space Daisy

Spacedaisy's case was like "creature is playing like textbook wolf but i don't tell you what the textbook wolf is" and "creature is posting hence wolf".

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:41 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:37 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:34 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:29 pm Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

I like to think I'm open minded.




Tunneling scum is towny btw

but I'm not wolf so your apparent overconfidence on me looks staged af

Hmmmmm, gonna have to disagree with ya there and say this looks staged.



How is sus of your slot overconfidence?

It doesn't look like you have any reason to wolfread me. Instead, it looks like you're resorting to pressing the same key and using smug cowboy lines as if that's going to make your non-case compelling.

This kinda just reads like a wolf who's upset they're being SR when they think they've been playing a strong town game.




Also ignore the fact that I rarely make "good cases"




Let's pretend your POE isn't 50% OMGUS right now. Who else is in your POE besides Guillo?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:44 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:38 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:35 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:32 pm Did the rest of the wolves tell you to go hard on me today?

No, that was my intuition saying that.



Also, Space Daisy

Spacedaisy's case was like "creature is playing like textbook wolf but i don't tell you what the textbook wolf is" and "creature is posting hence wolf".

Oh, sorry that was an ambiguous post on my behalf.




What I mean to say is I'm sus of Space Daisy as well

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:35 pm From what I have right now:

Town:
Creature
Dragon D. Luffy
NANOOK

Null land:
DrWilgy
Spacedaisy
Urist

Wolves:
falcon
Guillotine

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:54 pm DDL/Guillo/Space being all town looks weird fmpov.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:57 pm Guillo and Space look wolfy in this page. DDL at least doesn't seem to be participating of this wolfy circlejerk. Perhaps falcon is the third wolf here as both DrWilgy and Urist seem town.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:06 pm Maybe I'm less sure at Spacedaisy. Guillo looks horrible from his post-D1 pushes being mostly on town. falcon also doesn't seem any worried about this LyLo so he's probably wolf here. Spacedaisy looks slightly better from pushing falcon, but also her POE seems pretty lazy.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:52 pm I don't have anything groundbreaking right now. I think my preference is at falcon > Guillo > Spacedaisy. Being wrong on hollowkatt still gets me though.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:52 pm [VOTE: space daisy] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:05 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:17 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME i'm pretty sure ddl & wilgy are town, so if you're right about spacedaisy then the scumteam is just guillotine, creature and falcon.

Can you explain why you're so sure DDL & Wilgy are town?



Seems everyone else is having trouble finding town, where does your confidence on them come from?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:58 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:12 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:23 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:22 pm Okay. This kill surprises me.

Wolfy.

Falcon. Give me your top 3 scum, who you’d shoot today?

Space Daisy, Creature, Urist and Wilgy



I figure 4 is better than 3, and I feel there's at least 2 Maf in that POE

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:08 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 12:08 pm Only seeing falcon wolf right now.

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

The other wolf probably is between DDL and Space.

I assume you are basing this upon the vote yesterday?

It would seem a bit obvious of me and Guillo if we were partners all that time and I hard defended him like that.

It would seem a bit obvious of Guillo if DDL is his other wolf to have suggested sheeping you.

I am returning to what I suspected before, which is Falcon, before Guillo talked me off of that. I don’t know what to do with his treatment of you and Urist. It’s weird that Urist still suspects you. I don’t know what to do with that either.

I think Falcon is a safe shot, for whatever my thoughts are worth at this point.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:59 pm We potentially have a clear but idk that any non-nanook saves last night should be claimed

@Urist thoughts

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:50 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:12 am Because I think that trying to paint it as some calculated kill for a reason is silly. It was N1, there were hardly a lot of hard suspicions out there. Splints was quiet enough that she likely wouldn't be protected or hard town read by anyone so she would be a safer kill for them. This seemed really straightforward to me. Guillo obviously thought the same, and I like that look on him because it doesn't look like a wolf trying to draw connections to anyone they can.

Creature is doing exactly that right now.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:38 am

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 2:20 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:35 pm yeah sorry i just had a c-section, can't play much.

Congratulations on your baby

my kids were born a few years ago, but thanks. i was referencing the fact that dyachei had a c-section during GoC, so comparing our activity levels was a bit silly.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:54 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:39 pm Where I'm at right now


I do not want to shoot today: myself, DDL, Guillo

I do not want to shoot today, but would not complain if Nanook shot them: sig, Spacedaisy, falcon, hollowkatt, NAA

I would be ok with shooting today: Creature, Dizzy, DrWilgy, Urist

Let me level with you all, specially Nanook. I got the feeling Marmot got killed for this legacy and it's the very reason why I think Urist and Creature as scum

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:10 am I want Urist head but for some reason you guys rather keep her around, my only hope is that Nanook sheeps me this time.

The second next best thing is Creature, if you change your mind about Urist, i will switch there. @Spacedaisy , you asked why? ISO me again.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:49 pm I mean, I believe we have three wolves among Creature, falcon, Urist, and Wilgy. I like the odds of shooting any one of those. I just feel more comfortable with either falcon or Creature.

Guillo, I will look back at your ISO to refresh on why Urist. I just have to work again today so I won't have as much time.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:01 pm I have a feeling at least one of the wolves knows fingersplints fairly well to kill them N1. I think falcon, DrWilgy, Urist and I don't know fingersplints well enough. Of course that doesn't mean we're all town but would point towards one of the wolves being among DDL/Guillo/Space assuming they all know fingersplints enough to choose killing them N1.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:03 pm I'm feeling poorly today so gonna shoot close to eod.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:35 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:04 pm ftr I no longer townread DDL and think he could be wolf. I'm not sure if I have any strong leaning read right now. Spacedaisy is the best read I have rn because I believe she isn't really trying to be influential at all.

Clarify please. You’re reading me wolf or town?