The Syndicate

obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:00 pm alrighty

i will give you that [Jack, Neon, Wilgy] is likely to have a wolf if you're a villager.

Just realized this

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:15 pm Thank you all for playing. I did not anticipate this game dragging on for as long as it did. I should have included an extra killing ability somewhere in there.

Excellent play, everyone. @Neon you were brilliant in defeat!

I would've added a couple extra kills for mafia because 13v4 is usually the normal alignment distribution and this game was 16v4 and included two masons + a fair bunch of town roles that could've hindered wolves.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:01 pm I'm not outing Nook town... Nook just is fucking town and your the obvious wolf that somehow is going to win despite every neonsign in the world pointing bright flashing lights at you screaming HEY THIS IS A WOLF

And it's unbelievably frustrating. I couldn't have possibly been more towny and I'm still going toget wrongfully miskilled.

At this point ig I just hope Creature votes with me and let's it rand or whatever since Nook is wolf siding and Porscha is a wolf.

tbh this post really scared me off and thought it was a loss

Thanks for preventing me from making huge mistakes

Holy shit NANOOK

obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:44 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:41 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:37 pm finished Wilgy ISO

basically, Wilgy is soft pushing Falcon all game

then, does an ISO of falcon after Jack dies, switches, says Falcon looks spewed town, rides on this - also says porscha and anne look bad from jack spew

this is probably not a great look for Falcon, because a "powerwolfy" mindset which Wilgy did seem to have would point more towards Falcon being a wolf partner than Porscha.

NANOOK/Neon I'm still very set on being town.

i need to reread Porscha ISO and organize some of my questions/see if the stuff i was confbiasing from her is as bad as i originally thought
I will flip green.

What does your worldview look like then? Is it just Porscha, or what other possibilities do you realistically see?
I'm still torn on whether it's you or Porscha. I could see either.

Creature is clear, not him.

Neon is beyond spewed + just town.

NANOOK I really don't think is mafia anymore. For one he's not vanilla, and the last mafia is very likely vanilla based on the OP. His claim has also checked out. For two I just think he believed his read on Wilgy and that he's spewed.

I'm still voting Porscha. I just want to get it right between you/Porscha today because this game has been going on for over 3 weeks and I'm tired. I would say I am 60/40 toward it being Porscha > you, but I was like 90/10 start of day on her.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:12 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:06 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:57 pm I mean, you can sell me on porscha maybe, if you feel strongly ill still consider it

I just mean I'm not reaching a different conclusion on my own
Thing is I don't feel strongly about anything. Hell I can't even be sure you're town.
I mean we've gone over why im confirmed lol

Prob too late to go through this again. I just don't buy that it's confirmed there's at least one mafia vanilla.

Ugh I hate this silence. Am I failing Mac and obscurity?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:57 pm I mean, you can sell me on porscha maybe, if you feel strongly ill still consider it

I just mean I'm not reaching a different conclusion on my own

Thing is I don't feel strongly about anything. Hell I can't even be sure you're town.

Welp I guess that's gonna be it then. I just couldn't find time to play today.

Meh I thought Neon's posts today seemed convincing.

Once again would suggest sleeping to give you three more time if we aren't ready.

Yawn I'm pretty annoyed.

NANOOK, tbh I kinda expected town!you to be pretty quick to vote considering this is pretty much an F3 scenario and I saw you were quick to vote in plenty of games where you were town.

Neon, Porscha, do you have any wolf game I can look into? I know at least one of you is saying to have a pretty bad wolfgame but I don't know the extent of how bad it is.

Anyway, I may suggest sleeping today if I feel like we aren't ready for this decision.

Alright, I think DrWilgy is mechanically competent and if he was wolves with Porscha he would've probably tell her to not kill me so I don't give a track. Therefore we can't count on NKA so much although we can still question whether Porscha would kill obscurity here or not.

Strategically, I think Neon makes the most sense as wolf here because then she'd set herself pretty good by bussing an already-dead DrWilgy. Mac has been shielding her though.

NANOOK scares me though because he has heavily wolfsided votewise this game. We still don't know whether a jack-of-all-trades (voyeur, motion detector, tracker) makes more sense as town or as wolf.

Porscha it is said her wolfgame is bad and she can't keep volume. However, I have never seen an actual wolfgame from her.

Anyway, I am probably not voting anyone. You three should probably treat this as an F3, seek who is town and who is wolf among the other two and then decide like an actual F3 LyLo. I'll be giving some takes alongside to help the two town of you to make the correct decision (I might try rereading the entire thread tomorrow).

Yeah last wolf did an optimal nightkill last night considering nightkilling me would result in someone receiving a track.

Still wonder if Porscha would think enough about this because I still expect Porscha to just make the simplest nightkills (me over Ruri and obscurity) if she was the last wolf here.

Is it bad logic to believe wolf!Porscha wouldn't make this kill? I feel like wolf!Porscha would always just nightkill me who is the clear instead of big braining this. Also nightkilling obscurity would pretty much make her look bad.

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 7:53 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 7:46 pm I'm gonna read isos tomorrow and see how I feel

@Creature am I still in play for you or ? FMPOV this day should be us deciding whether its porscha or neon but i don't remember if you're accepting me as clear or not
Yeah I'm still worried you could be a wolf because you ended up wolfsiding in most final VCs.

It seems you've wolfsided in all final day VCs but D2 and D3. D2 Sabiplz was pretty much caught and D3 the Lilypetal wagon was already unstoppable.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 7:46 pm I'm gonna read isos tomorrow and see how I feel

@Creature am I still in play for you or ? FMPOV this day should be us deciding whether its porscha or neon but i don't remember if you're accepting me as clear or not

Yeah I'm still worried you could be a wolf because you ended up wolfsiding in most final VCs.

obscurity wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 5:53 pm Points For Falcon Mafia:
-Bad voting record
-Shielded hard by 2 mafia seeming to scumsided, Wilgy's flip on him potentially tactical
-Weird that he thought there was a mafia in Neon/Wilgy but voted Porscha.. without really explaining why
-Anne thought Wilgy/Falcon before she died, seemed like the only substantial team read made

Points for Falcon Town:
-Tracked nowhere
-Sort of seemed like he was being pocketed by mafia/they were vying for his vote
-Apparently, I found a post in another game him saying he doesn't post as much as scum because he dislikes lying, and here he has posted a decent amount
-Some lines feel genuine/lacking TMI.

Points For Porscha Mafia:
-It felt like Wilgy's push on Porscha/interactions with her and the way he approached her differed from how he approached anyone else
-Wilgy turned read on Porscha, Wilgy reluctant to push Porscha
-Pyxxy death, also lucy death when saying to look at her/Wilgy
-Steers away from Wilgy many EODs, big factor in the Anne ML which happened specifically EOD
-Posts just had generally seemed wolfy yesterday; seems to be pushing anywhere she thinks will take off, including attempts to push Ruri - similar agenda to Wilgy
-Partnery approach to Wilgy, pushes Wilgy when she thinks it will take off then realizes he is salvageable and backs off, no real explanation for read change

Points For Porscha Town:
-Seems towny/solvey today, came off a bit better than Falc in their initial interactions
-Looks better from WIlgy spew than Falcon
-Claims polarized scumplay
-Some potential decent spew

--The stuff against Porscha still feels more substantial to me.

tbh I trust both falcon45ca and Porscha when they say their wolfgame ain't good. If any of them is wolf here they're playing superpar.

This game is so complicated and I could see anyone but Neon being wolf here. Should I take Mac's hand on obscurity too?

Yah I still trust Neon the best because they got DrWilgy.

Oh shit it seems we're screwed

I remember last night my solve was NANOOK/Porscha, with maybe obscurity rolling us.

I guess aorn the only strong townread I have is Neon. idk how much I'm counting on falcon45ca being town.

I guess wolves probably had the common sense to kill Ruri instead of playing doc dodge for the rest of the game in hopes to mislynch Ruri when it definitely wasn't going through.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:57 am Critically we need to think why Ruri over

Me
Creature
Obs

- Ruri was never getting mislynched after a roleblocker flip
- Ruri could still be holding a doctor shot to use to protect me
- By killing Ruri, wolves ensure she can't protect anyone anymore
- Also now my 1-shot track I can give after death is probably useless, but idk if wolves though about that

Expecting to get out of this game tonight. I'm prob not joining DVC until postgame.

I don't have a legacy and I don't want to further burden town with a legacy I'm not even sure of.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:36 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:33 pm Ftr I just assumed Seanzie compulsively bodyguard me every night. I never asked anything about how this works with doctor though.

Anyway if I die tonight maybe shouldn't sleep tomorrow. It's gonna be even numbers but someone will have a track and wolves can't just dodge killing without giving town the odd numbers.
It's likely going to be 2v4. Sleep's not an option unless we flip and hit W in Porscha.

Yeah. If there's a track around sleeping would make it pointless as wolves can just not nightkill someone the night it is supposed to be used.

I'm still giving it to falcon45ca which would mean you all would need to find a wolf outside him. If he's nightkilled before that still narrows down the POE.

Ftr I just assumed Seanzie compulsively bodyguard me every night. I never asked anything about how this works with doctor though.

Anyway if I die tonight maybe shouldn't sleep tomorrow. It's gonna be even numbers but someone will have a track and wolves can't just dodge killing without giving town the odd numbers.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 8:33 am Realisticqlly im just gonna end up voting whomever creature does at eod lol

I ain't voting anyone, but atp it's very suboptimal to lynch anyone but DrWilgy. I regret not keeping the tie yesterday.

atp if DrWilgy is town and Neon is wolf then everybody's legacy this game was utter crap.

This is why I should just refrain from voting at all.

obscurity wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:58 pm I mean he should do that

I think we should flip Schia still

Alrighr you get your Schia lynch then

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:47 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:46 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:43 pm I mean sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss if you guys wanna flip wilgy go for it I just can't do it myself
Feel free to move your vote to Schiavetto and let it rand. I would move out but I'm afraid of the Neon wagon taking over.
I am screeching like a majestic eagle b/c I dont think it's wilgy or schia I am quite stresst

Nightmare case scenario it's falcon45ca and pyxxy and both alternated kills to avoid being tracked by two different players.

I still believe should be at least one wolf in DrWilgy/NANOOK/Schiavetto.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:43 pm I mean sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss if you guys wanna flip wilgy go for it I just can't do it myself

Feel free to move your vote to Schiavetto and let it rand. I would move out but I'm afraid of the Neon wagon taking over.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:42 pm Again, I'm more confident in Falcon being town this game than even Nook.

Like, maybe Ruri flash wagon makes sense? But outside of Ruri/Neon/Shia I don't think we catch a wolf.

I wouldn't consider lynching Ruri until I'm dead.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:42 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:40 pm I'm giving my track to falcon45ca. If falcon45ca gets lynched before I die then I'm giving it to pyxxy.
cuz pyxxy also in your poe?

Yes, pyxxy is also in POE, although looks slightly better if NANOOK is town and telling the truth.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:42 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:40 pm I'm giving my track to falcon45ca. If falcon45ca gets lynched before I die then I'm giving it to pyxxy.
cuz pyxxy also in your poe?

Yes, pyxxy is also in POE, although looks slightly better if NANOOK is town and telling the truth.

I'm giving my track to falcon45ca. If falcon45ca gets lynched before I die then I'm giving it to pyxxy.

I'm kinda waiting obscurity. I don't want to screw up again.

obscurity wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:17 pm Like I do think it's reasonable to say not to ignore them though but also they should not be the only reason

The Neon wagon at this point feels like the worst possible thing and I hard veto that. I think Wilgy is town but the flip should 100% be in Wilgy/Schia. or we should've talked about that earlier I don't want Anne crap again

Yeah I wouldn't do Neon, but that's mostly because I trust Mac's read on her.

I hope to not defy you again.

I'm honestly afraid of us mislynching outside DrWilgy and then we'll have to deal with DrWilgy tomorrow again.

DrWilgy was pretty much the top lynch pick for yesterday prior anne and lucy died with DrWilgy/obscurity/anne as her suspects.

Perhaps I should just follow Mac's principle of resolving counterwagons:

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Ironically this also means NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME may need to be resolved too.

Anyway I believe DrWilgy/NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME/Schiavetto should contain at least one wolf, otherwise we really fucked up hard.

Is 1-shot empowerer a claim wolf!Schiavetto would make up?

Meh. Seanzie wanted DrWilgy dead. I dunno if I should fill his wish or NANOOK's.

I'm trusting Mac on Neon and obscurity being town.

I guess Ruri gets to be kept alive for now.

Porscha I still believe to be town? I have never seen her wolf though.

I guess that leaves DrWilgy, falcon45ca, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, pyxxy and Schiavetto.

pyxxy would maybe look good in the world NANOOK is town and telling the truth about his role.

Should I stay on the Schiavetto wagon or should I move out and let it rand between them and DrWilgy? Also I'm scared the wolfteam could be NANOOK and pyxxy.

I'm thinking about giving my track to falcon45ca so he either gets nightkilled and clears the POE or he gets to cop check someone if there's one wolf left.

Ok

[VOTE: Schiavetto] aubergine

I'm undecided which of DrWilgy and Schiavetto I want lynched today.

I kinda think DrWilgy is the most optimal lynch because of yesterday and because he prob needs to be cleared before LyLo.

However, I find the Schiavetto wagon a lot more solid than the DrWilgy wagon. I kinda trust NANOOK and obscurity to have better reads here.

Also yeah I'm planning to give it to POE because either wolves nightkill POE or one another POE gets cleared (or last wolf risks getting caught). Anyway the 1-shot track shouldn't be used until there's one wolf left.

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