The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:23 am

Rej wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:16 am I thought Nanook was town in the end, but I had the same Paranoia about them as I had with novas, maybe that's why I got killed?
I tracked Sabie in the end meh...

I rly loved this game, the mechanics, it was awesome, thanks for the game everyone and well played both mafia and town! <3

They checked your role, I believe that’s why you were the chosen kill.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:12 pm There will be four left tomorrow. I don't know which four it will be, so I'd like to hold off discussing who the most townie person is until tomorrow if that's cool?

Otherwise we're just giving mafia a road map to the best kill.

Also I'm not working tomorrow :P

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:03 pm I think sabie was the designated counterwagon before they slipped their role. FMPOV the creature wagon looks pretty pure.

It’s tough for scum to really push a second viable counterwagon when one member hasn’t really been around much

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:08 pm Unless calculon gets told they were targeted then there’s nobody with TMI about it, yeah? I assume scum aren’t told why their kill failed

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:42 am Well I missed a lot.

Role-wise, is it known what caused the missed kill on N2? I see people Calculon theorizing, and I'm wondering why everyone knows his vest is still here.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:59 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:52 am

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:50 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:49 am

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:48 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:45 am in a world where the theories I made are correct, who out of both of you is more likely to be scum?

That's a garbage question

no question is a garbage question, only answers can be garbage at this state

Why are you scum?

Why are you scum/town?

Role PM

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:58 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:51 am

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:50 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:48 am

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:47 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:45 am so if a single town votes me, then mafia can CFD me.

The day only ends in 8 hours, there's no way to lynch earlier

so you say mafia wont be there to CFD a towny?

I mean you're wrong on your "mafia is trying to cfd" thing

why? mafia can passively rolehunt and generate a mislynch + win with the night

I think you got the meaning of CFD wrong

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:50 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:49 am

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:48 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:45 am in a world where the theories I made are correct, who out of both of you is more likely to be scum?

That's a garbage question

no question is a garbage question, only answers can be garbage at this state

Why are you scum?

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:50 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:48 am

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:47 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:45 am so if a single town votes me, then mafia can CFD me.

The day only ends in 8 hours, there's no way to lynch earlier

so you say mafia wont be there to CFD a towny?

I mean you're wrong on your "mafia is trying to cfd" thing

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:48 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:45 am in a world where the theories I made are correct, who out of both of you is more likely to be scum?

That's a garbage question

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:47 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:45 am so if a single town votes me, then mafia can CFD me.

The day only ends in 8 hours, there's no way to lynch earlier

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:42 am I don’t think it’s equal odds that creature and sabie are scum, lol, but ok

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:35 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:29 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:26 am I think it’s better to leave calculon alone.

I’m willing to bet the game on it.

then let's bring it further

new theory:
The Sabievoters (me and Sprityo) are town based on my, spirityo's and others PoE.
And I rather trust that one right now.

This would mean that one of the Creature voters atleast is scum and it is either a placeholder vote or a powerwolf vote.

I agree that you and sprityo are town.

I’m pretty much in a speedchuck/Enrique and creature world

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:26 am I think it’s better to leave calculon alone.

I’m willing to bet the game on it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:23 am They can in MYLO not in LYLO IIRC

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:21 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:20 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:15 am Her post only makes sense if she has a vest cause she’d die overnight

Its better for town's PoE tho if we trick MyLo with Calculon I would be less emotionaly if I were a Calculon vest about to be lynched.
The only way I would become emotional is when I would have crucial info that might be lost upon lynch/NK and this would give town hard times.
So with Sabie being resigned she more likely is to have no information for towns PoE and she doesn't care about being lynched. Also brb gonna check something.
We are close to a tie again...

I think it’s a mistake, but ok

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:17 am

Rej wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:40 pm @Tedexter

viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1807

here you can see both me and scum novas, novas bsused me D2
okay correction: I was bussed D1 in the game before I think. I got no clue, but I know I was bussed twice here on TS.
A wolf Rej gave his everything to turn a mafialynch into a townlynch D1. I made it to D2 then got bussed while I had the chance to turn around another wagon. Novas in the end won for mafia and hence I won too.

This one here

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:15 am Her post only makes sense if she has a vest cause she’d die overnight

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:14 am I read Sabie as being more resigned than mad tbh

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:11 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:07 am

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:06 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:54 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:47 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:12 am WAIT

SABIE IS CALCULON, EVERYONE MOVE

isn't lynching Calculon equivalent to a no lynch at this stage?
the only possibility is that Calculon was shot N2 and this gave us the no kill, this means Calculon wouldn't be of any help.
But tbh our doctor was in good hands tho.

I mean there’s no point FMPOV, it just clears up my POE and we have our scum team on a platter. Plus it’s better for calculon to have their protection tonight if possible (it’s possible they don’t, but I’m gonna hope it was a doc save and not calculon that cause the no NK).

If sabie is calculon then it is Rej and speed

What a compliment, so I soloed town the past DPs...LMAO

It isn't that hard when town is killing each other

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:54 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:47 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:12 am WAIT

SABIE IS CALCULON, EVERYONE MOVE

isn't lynching Calculon equivalent to a no lynch at this stage?
the only possibility is that Calculon was shot N2 and this gave us the no kill, this means Calculon wouldn't be of any help.
But tbh our doctor was in good hands tho.

I mean there’s no point FMPOV, it just clears up my POE and we have our scum team on a platter. Plus it’s better for calculon to have their protection tonight if possible (it’s possible they don’t, but I’m gonna hope it was a doc save and not calculon that cause the no NK).

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:06 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:54 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:47 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:12 am WAIT

SABIE IS CALCULON, EVERYONE MOVE

isn't lynching Calculon equivalent to a no lynch at this stage?
the only possibility is that Calculon was shot N2 and this gave us the no kill, this means Calculon wouldn't be of any help.
But tbh our doctor was in good hands tho.

I mean there’s no point FMPOV, it just clears up my POE and we have our scum team on a platter. Plus it’s better for calculon to have their protection tonight if possible (it’s possible they don’t, but I’m gonna hope it was a doc save and not calculon that cause the no NK).

If sabie is calculon then it is Rej and speed

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:04 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:12 am WAIT

SABIE IS CALCULON, EVERYONE MOVE

Sure

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:59 pm Day 1:
Creature (2) - Enrique, Nanook
Long Con (2) - TonyStarkPrime, Creature
Tedexter (1) - Novaseline
therealet (3) - Epi, Dom, Sabie
TonyStarkPrime (2) - Tedexter, Rej
No Lynch (1) - Sprityo
No vote: Long Con, Mac, Sig, therealet

Day 2:
NANOOK (2) - Mac, Creature
Rej (1) - Tedexter
Sig (1) - Nova
therealet (6) - NANOOK, Epi, Sig, Dom, Sabie, Rej
Not voting: Sprityo, therealet, Enrique

Day 3:
Dom (5) - Tedexter, Mac, Creature, Sabie, Sig
Enrique (1) - Epignosis
Nova (1) - NANOOK
Sig (2) - Nova, Dom
Not Voting: sprityo, Enrique, Rej

Day 4:
Nova (1): Nanook
Sabie (2): sig, Sprityo
sig (6): Nova, Sabie, tedexter, creature, epi, rej
No vote: Enrique

Day 5:
Nova (4): Sabie, Nanook, Epi, Sprityo
Sabie (2): Nova, Rej
No Vote: Enrique

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:31 am I don't know why rej is town cleared to people. He's voted all civilian no vote or sig. He also made it a point to link to another game and be like see I vote for mislynches when I'm bad.
Creature had been sliding by on people thinking he was bender. He helped get the cop killed off early game.

Whatever [VOTE: rej] aubergine

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:12 am WAIT

SABIE IS CALCULON, EVERYONE MOVE

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:59 pm Day 5:
Nova (4): Sabie, Nanook, Epi, Sprityo
Sabie (2): Nova, Rej
No Vote: Enrique

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:48 pm what would really suck is if enrique is the director, thats four items we dont get to use

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:55 am final 5/final 6

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:08 pm Ok, so we go to f6 MYLO, no-kill so that we negate any voting shenanigans, and we have a normal f5 LYLO.

I'm not gonna say who I think should be the kill for obvious reasons but yeah I think it should be fairly obvious.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:37 pm As there was some talk about this today, I would like to submit a ruling: all abilities which are capable of vote manipulation will be deactivated at LYLO, but not MYLO.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:07 pm Welp, this is the end of the road for me here. Pretty lame how there was no case presented against me so that I can at least defend myself, but it is what it is. It might actually be for the best 'cause this should clear a lot of stuff.

@Rej @sprityo and @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, I trust all three of you to be town, so don't fight please lol. Good game if one isn't. If Mafia kills successfully tonight, we'll have a 4v2 next phase. Firstly, don't no lynch 'cause Mafia has a one-shot silencer and it's obvious that it hasn't been used yet. Secondly, don't split vote 'cause if Enrique is civilian and continues to be absent, Mafia may try to pull a fast one on y'all and silence one of the active players this upcoming night, making the next phase a 2v2 voting power wise.

I'm not going to go over the Sabie case again. She is obvious Mafia, there is like no doubt about it whatsoever in my mind lol. You can refer to Ted's case on her, or her play this phase. There was absolutely nothing townie about it, her only goal was surviving and chaos. Please lynch her the next day. Now as for the third mafioso. It's between Creature and Epignosis, that's something for you to solve. There is a strong case against both of them, and some ties to Sabie.

Creature -

My flip is going to reflect badly on Creature. I believe that a Civ Creature would have been a tiny bit more proactive in defending me this phase, and the last. He seems to be shying away from this lynch, and the reason is going to be obvious after my flip. I think a scum Creature isn't too keen into bringing the wagon any closer knowing what he knows. A 3v4 vote distribution is bad news for a Sabie scum teamed with him. That fits what he's been doing this phase.

Spoiler: show

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:33 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:06 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:57 pm Meh, I'm undecided rn

I'm confirmed to you though lol.

Okay, I get it

Reading this post, it's obvious he knows.

His entrance this phase and surge of activity pinged me as well. It felt extremely choreographed between him and Sabie, it also felt like he didn't want to commit one or the other. He was playing it safe. Soft defense of Sabie with his dom wagon stance, but then arguing the other way with the Et wagon. That whole vote analysis felt fake, it was very shallow and he didn't seem to care to actually figure out anything with it 'cause it went nowhere. Going through his interactions with Dom, the tone and attitude of the latter stood out to me as well. Creature is someone that is often scum read and pushed around, seeing Dom's accusation against other posters I feel like Creature would have been a very easy target. Here he was pretty friendly and it was awkward how there was no intent from him to push Creature especially since he was weirdly trying to figure him out.

With all this being said, Creature's got a few good points for him. Mainly the whole day phase when Dom got lynched. It was a good timed vote and with how Dom came back scrambling to save himself, it'd have been selfish. Especially since he didn't seem to actually work it at all to get some points for it, he basically just followed the lynch. It's not very efficient. There was also his D1 and push on LC that was alright, the way he kept coming to him is townlike, could see a townie lost in their thoughts always coming back to a strong scum read while doing other stuff.

Do not lynch him immediately because of my flip. LYNCH SABIE FIRST!

Epignosis -

I'm running out of time to finish this post so this one's going to be brief. It's also given pause by Nanook's unwavering confidence in Epi being town which feels mechanical in nature.

My main grippe with Epi is his handling of me. There was a change of gears that is very scummy, and his whole in your face attitude doesn't strike me as someone trying to figure me out at all. There was like no progression whatsoever there, just an agenda, painting me and Sabie as teammates. He was also arguing with me in bad faith, see the point about Creature's potential role and my take on it. The "Your guess?" shut down he gave me is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not sure what he'd expect in a game except someone's opinions and guess, let alone one with no info dump. There is also Sabie's handling of him. He's the only that hasn't been no u'd by her, she's been doing it to anyone that pushes her. It's also interesting that while doing so, he's trying to guide the lynch onto me rather than on Sabie who should be the stronger case between us two. It made me tinfoil about the Mafia silencer and Enrique being absent if the latter is civ and continues to be absent after my lynch and a successful kill, the voting power would be 2v2 by next phase if one of the other townies is silenced. That's a situation to steal the win easily.

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:47 pm I don't take kindly to someone acting like the lynch is over when there's still plenty of time. That reeks of an independent who needs certain people alive at the end to win. You know...the hypnotized.

A civilian would be more interested in shaking things up rather than encouraging the dust to settle as early as possible.

Then there is this post. I'm not sure this is coming from a townie, it doesn't read uninformed. Someone doing the opposite of what a civilian should be doing is branded scum. It's a general thing. It reads extremely specific and it's just the wrong mindset 'cause Mafia encourage the dust to settle as early as possible, just the same as an indie. Mafia wants to survive, same as an indie. It's the wrong observation to ping someone as an indie for.

He has a few good stuff as well. I ain't got time to go over them right now, you should go through my ISO where I've had a few posts about them.

TL;DR - Lynch Sabie. Solve Epi/Creature and get us the win. Good luck.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:26 pm Got my last will coming up at 5pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:35 pm Upside to TKing Calculon is we (likely briefly) get a confirmed town if it doesn’t just slip to the next player in votes.

Downside is then we’re at odd numbers and might have to deal with f5 where only two townies can vote, in other words a 50% chance to win.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:56 pm Why this game gotta be so complicated?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:55 pm How can you be voting Sabie, saying you trust Ted as well, and want to go after Nanook after this phase? Like what?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:14 pm I thought I was open wolfing by the end but ok lolol

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:47 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:25 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:23 pm GTH who's the third? Creature or Epi?

Epi made a push in drunken state, it is weird...
Why is Nanook lock town?

Dom's handling of him.