The Syndicate

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:11 pm
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Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:00 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:57 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:43 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:38 pm @Everyone, Elephant wants me to screw the logic of my reads and this is a scum tactic.

let's lynch scum today, thanks for understanding
How does the post below factor into the idea that Elephant and Dragomir are teammates?

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:39 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pm

I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?
Could you please roleplay your character? A paragraph should suffice.

How can you town read him for a meaningless post?
An invite to roleplay is nothing shading or distancing, I see there a normal convo I would never consider AI.
Can you roleplay your character? Like, maybe post an avatar and a few lines of dialogue?
nah i saw the movie ages ago and I forgot almost everything so no RP from me about flavour.
[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
Dragomir was the Forger, an actual character in the movie. He refers to a character to be roleplayed, and that pinged me. You see, I'm not a character, I'm the subconscious aspect of elation. Every town player is the subconscious aspect of something and not a character. This question is a trap, and you just got caught.

respectfully bullsit sir, i am so bad at game mechanics that i didn't fully read the op. not that i can read it with that colour. Ask Juliets when we wolfed together that she had to explain me the mechanics. Your trap is nothing because mafia should have fake claims.

@evenstar stop self voting if you are villager. If you are wolf or 3rd part you may continue that nonsense.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:06 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:58 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:55 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:44 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:41 pm I made succesive attempt to provoke Dom today. No succes. My scumread on him is totally shaking.

I need help here, i need to reread something. brb
I'll take an honest look at Dom later. He's kinda flown under the radar from my perspective.
His D0/D1 is super short. I wish I knew what he did on the days we didn't see him.
Board game days
Dnd
Forum mafia (Just tgis game and ine mash that's done)
Hosting my homesite as I am the most active mod
Getting to know new people on my home site
Drama
Sleep
Eat

That has been my week elephant also cooking atm
I wanted to know what Dom did in the dream levels that we can't see.

what do you want to know from the dreams levels? Ask Dom, he can quote, if I copy paste the quotes will broke.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:04 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:57 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:03 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:37 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:31 am Jackofhearts2005 tell me please where is your head at today
Towncore
Jack
Nutella
Mac
Michelle (beyond my original sheeped reasons, I like the Elephant push)
Juliets (but like the green ranger, she’s not quite as core as the others but this feels better with five people and there have been no pings)

Probably Town
Eva (mason?)
Iaafr
Sprityo

Probably town but I’m tinfoiling
Dom
Epi
Radishes (I’m aware I have all of the final 3 in probably town and it is a problem)

Nullish
Quin
TL
Colin

Scumish
LLD
Elephant

Scum
LC
Pawn

I’m sure I’ve forgotten somebody but there’s no poll on the full reply.
Thanks, now I see why Dom pushes you. I have a TR on Quin who is nullish for you and Pawn who is your top scum because of their behaviour in the dream thread.
Elephant is lock scum for me after today's interactions and after the day in the dream level with him I gave him high scum equity
I wish for a consensus wagon for scum today.
Tbf to Pawn, my rainbow isn’t really in order.
can you please vote for Elephant? I want a scum lynch today. All my scum meters are alerted in his presence.
K. [VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

Thanks

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:58 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:55 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:44 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:41 pm I made succesive attempt to provoke Dom today. No succes. My scumread on him is totally shaking.

I need help here, i need to reread something. brb
I'll take an honest look at Dom later. He's kinda flown under the radar from my perspective.
His D0/D1 is super short. I wish I knew what he did on the days we didn't see him.
Board game days
Dnd
Forum mafia (Just tgis game and ine mash that's done)
Hosting my homesite as I am the most active mod
Getting to know new people on my home site
Drama
Sleep
Eat

That has been my week elephant also cooking atm

I've read your posts but I will not make a case. You come in my town lean based on Iso, feeling and general behaviour. This is from someone who TRed you in many games with succes.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:57 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:03 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:37 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:31 am Jackofhearts2005 tell me please where is your head at today
Towncore
Jack
Nutella
Mac
Michelle (beyond my original sheeped reasons, I like the Elephant push)
Juliets (but like the green ranger, she’s not quite as core as the others but this feels better with five people and there have been no pings)

Probably Town
Eva (mason?)
Iaafr
Sprityo

Probably town but I’m tinfoiling
Dom
Epi
Radishes (I’m aware I have all of the final 3 in probably town and it is a problem)

Nullish
Quin
TL
Colin

Scumish
LLD
Elephant

Scum
LC
Pawn

I’m sure I’ve forgotten somebody but there’s no poll on the full reply.
Thanks, now I see why Dom pushes you. I have a TR on Quin who is nullish for you and Pawn who is your top scum because of their behaviour in the dream thread.
Elephant is lock scum for me after today's interactions and after the day in the dream level with him I gave him high scum equity
I wish for a consensus wagon for scum today.
Tbf to Pawn, my rainbow isn’t really in order.

can you please vote for Elephant? I want a scum lynch today. All my scum meters are alerted in his presence.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:57 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:43 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:38 pm @Everyone, Elephant wants me to screw the logic of my reads and this is a scum tactic.

let's lynch scum today, thanks for understanding
How does the post below factor into the idea that Elephant and Dragomir are teammates?

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:39 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:05 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm

Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.
So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.
I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?
Could you please roleplay your character? A paragraph should suffice.

How can you town read him for a meaningless post?
An invite to roleplay is nothing shading or distancing, I see there a normal convo I would never consider AI.
Can you roleplay your character? Like, maybe post an avatar and a few lines of dialogue?

nah i saw the movie ages ago and I forgot almost everything so no RP from me about flavour.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:49 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:43 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:38 pm @Everyone, Elephant wants me to screw the logic of my reads and this is a scum tactic.

let's lynch scum today, thanks for understanding
How does the post below factor into the idea that Elephant and Dragomir are teammates?

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:39 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:05 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm

Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.
So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.
I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?
Could you please roleplay your character? A paragraph should suffice.

How can you town read him for a meaningless post?
An invite to roleplay is nothing shading or distancing, I see there a normal convo I would never consider AI.
I don't agree that it's a meaningless post if you read the exchange fully. Elephant essentially shot down Dragomir's biggest angle when there would have been no reason to do so (unless you think someone would look back and give you credit for it like I'm doing, but I don't think that was Elephant's angle).

Epi, Elephant is a smart guy. Was he voting Drago? No. Why? because they are team mates.
That one line post is making him villager?

Why don't you observe his behaviour all game, his shades and non town posts, the refuse to share reads and all he did?

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:44 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:41 pm I made succesive attempt to provoke Dom today. No succes. My scumread on him is totally shaking.

I need help here, i need to reread something. brb
I'll take an honest look at Dom later. He's kinda flown under the radar from my perspective.

If you ask me, many Syndicate players are playing less than MUers as post numbers, so what may look as flying under the radar may be just their playstyle.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:43 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:38 pm @Everyone, Elephant wants me to screw the logic of my reads and this is a scum tactic.

let's lynch scum today, thanks for understanding
How does the post below factor into the idea that Elephant and Dragomir are teammates?

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:39 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:05 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:04 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:18 pm honestly, guys, i'm just going to role-play my character the whole game and hope that through magickal energies i can help us effect a good outcome
Ok @juliets since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.

There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.
Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.
So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.
I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?
Could you please roleplay your character? A paragraph should suffice.

How can you town read him for a meaningless post?
An invite to roleplay is nothing shading or distancing, I see there a normal convo I would never consider AI.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:29 pm Here is my scum game link is to were I subbed into.

h
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ttps://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/24 ... ost3604910

scum chat was nice ^^

who wants my scum game, is there too, we were buddies.

Also his tone this game is similar with town TL.

I made succesive attempt to provoke Dom today. No succes. My scumread on him is totally shaking.

I need help here, i need to reread something. brb

@Everyone, Elephant wants me to screw the logic of my reads and this is a scum tactic.

let's lynch scum today, thanks for understanding

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:26 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:20 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:15 pm
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Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:04 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:01 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:57 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:51 pm
Sorry, hold on. You want to infolynch at this stage ? And you want it to be Dom, because it'll clear Michelle?

I have too much respect for you to think that's town mindset logic.
I'm not convincing you anyway. You're not baiting me here.
Fine, I'll try to cut down the sass. I do mean it that I respect you, though.

But we're not lynching Dom today just to see how that makes Michelle look. We are far too deep into this game, and the mafia are doing far too well, to be wasting a lynch on that. Vote for Dom if he's a wolf, not because he's an info lynch.
If Michelle is town, Dom is 100% a wolf, pending Michelle's reaction.
uh what why
TMI= too much information.
He knows i am villager and of course if we succeed to lynch scum Elephant today and proove my read, this post means Dom is indeed scum.
Would you commit to saying that your alignment is always opposite Dom's?
Would me flipping town make you reconsider?

no. I disagree. Associative reads are very bad.
I don't think a connection between any of us can be made.

You are scum regardeless, if you flip town I can hung myself.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:18 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:16 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:14 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:13 pm @Master Radishes you gave up to the Elephant wagon. what made you switch?
the fact that he never intended to lynch me today in the first place
not every player who starts with E is Eve, I don't see the connection between not lynching you and leaving Elephant wagon
oh, I thought you were talking about him leaving my wagon to go vote Elephant

I don't understand why you see Elephant as town, is your read, ok, I can live with this. But you voting for yourself, this is antitown :/
I wonder why Pawn has a TR on you and how come I myself I townlean you.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:15 pm
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Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:04 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:01 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:57 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:51 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:48 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:33 pm Elephant 4 [Long Con, iaafr, Michelle, Nutella]
JackofHearts2005 2 [Epignosis, Dom]
Long Con 2 [Macdougall, JackofHearts2005]
Nutella 2 [Lady Lambdadelta, Evenstar]
Evenstar 2 [112, Sprityo]
Epignosis 1 [Pawn Lelouch]
Hyena 1 [Master Radishes]
iaafr 1 [Quin]
Dom 1[Elephant]
Trustworthy Liberal 1 [Hyena]

3 Not Voting: Juliets, ColinisCool, Trustworthy Liberal

17 votes cast and the largest wagon is 4.

What an absolutely atrocious votal. We need to get our shit together.

(I guess it's better than "nova/jack is obvious scum, lol", but not by much.)

@Hyena
@Elephant
@Quin
@Master Radishes
@Pawn Lelouch

All of you, make your strongest case for why the person you are on right now deserves to be in contention. If you don't have a case you're willing to put time in to defend, vote someone else.

@juliets
@ColinIsCool
@Trustworthy Liberal

This may be the most important day phase in the entire game. We need your input. Put a damn vote down already.
Dom is an infolynch at this point. If he flips scum, Michelle is absolutely town, unless she refuses to commit -- and if she refuses, I need to re-evaluate her.
I have made a case on Radishes for the F3 lynch.
Lynching in my group is straight POE.
Sorry, hold on. You want to infolynch at this stage ? And you want it to be Dom, because it'll clear Michelle?

I have too much respect for you to think that's town mindset logic.
I'm not convincing you anyway. You're not baiting me here.
Fine, I'll try to cut down the sass. I do mean it that I respect you, though.

But we're not lynching Dom today just to see how that makes Michelle look. We are far too deep into this game, and the mafia are doing far too well, to be wasting a lynch on that. Vote for Dom if he's a wolf, not because he's an info lynch.
If Michelle is town, Dom is 100% a wolf, pending Michelle's reaction.
uh what why

TMI= too much information.
He knows i am villager and of course if we succeed to lynch scum Elephant today and proove my read, this post means Dom is indeed scum.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:14 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:13 pm @Master Radishes you gave up to the Elephant wagon. what made you switch?
the fact that he never intended to lynch me today in the first place

not every player who starts with E is Eve, I don't see the connection between not lynching you and leaving Elephant wagon

[mention]Master Radishes[/mention] you gave up to the Elephant wagon. what made you switch?

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:03 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:08 am From my catch-up, one thing that I think might not be clear is one reason people were looking at TLib as possible scum is because several of us read GH's article Stopping the Juggernaut after we kept mislynching people.

The article is about what to do when from a town perspective the game is going horribly wrong, i.e., how to find the wolves. In it he says "Firstly, we have the player quietly in the POE but isn't really pushed. What makes this archetype so important is that it has a high chance of flipping wolf." (There's more about this but this line sums it up.) This described TLib pretty well. He didn't have much to say most of the time but we could see that he was in the thread, he was generally toward the bottom of our list, and we had not pushed him hard. This wasn't the only reason people were looking at TLib but it was one of the reasons I was looking at him.

I urge @Trustworthy Liberal to get more involved today and give his thoughts if he is town. I would like to be able to town read him like I did at the beginning of day 2 after he voted Drago.
Okay am online now and going to try to play for a bit but you are already wrong in this post. The bolded I completely wrong I've been pushed multiple times and been one of the main counter wagon this game also you bringing the article and using I to push me I retrospect is slightly sus I my opinion.

I've had a bad weekend and every time I was able to play people were fighting and seemingly attacking each other I posts some getting personal which I extremely aganist how i ever want to play and why I kinda just walked away for yesterday sorry just now playing with that kinda attatude.

I am strongly against TL lynch today, this post shows no agenda, while scum with visible agenda have town points and free pass.

Time for me to keep my word, i will Iso TL from now on.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:37 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:31 am Jackofhearts2005 tell me please where is your head at today
Towncore
Jack
Nutella
Mac
Michelle (beyond my original sheeped reasons, I like the Elephant push)
Juliets (but like the green ranger, she’s not quite as core as the others but this feels better with five people and there have been no pings)

Probably Town
Eva (mason?)
Iaafr
Sprityo

Probably town but I’m tinfoiling
Dom
Epi
Radishes (I’m aware I have all of the final 3 in probably town and it is a problem)

Nullish
Quin
TL
Colin

Scumish
LLD
Elephant

Scum
LC
Pawn

I’m sure I’ve forgotten somebody but there’s no poll on the full reply.

Thanks, now I see why Dom pushes you. I have a TR on Quin who is nullish for you and Pawn who is your top scum because of their behaviour in the dream thread.
Elephant is lock scum for me after today's interactions and after the day in the dream level with him I gave him high scum equity
I wish for a consensus wagon for scum today.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:21 pm Elephant:
If you are town, why do you have four votes?
Who is scum on your wagon?

Long Con, iaafr, Michelle, nutella:
Why are you voting for Elephant? What is the scummiest post in his ISO?

Firstly i deleted the @s -_-

And secondly I'll say I posted all I had on Elephant since day 1 today. Shady behaviour since day 1, scum logic and tactics, interactions today with visible intent to shade me and switching to pocketing for towncred, not to mention his wishy washy reads for Nutella, refuse to cooperate by sharing reads.
His scummiest post? There are many for me but read his Iso and don't look elsewhere than your own logic on the game and you will know why I consider him scum.

work time for me for real.

cya later

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:58 am Dom is site staff, that's why he can quote. Jimmy wrote it would be disabled, but it apparently isn't.

I missed out on some besoke tantrums last night. Evenstar calming the waters is a good look for her.

yeah this works like our democracy here

@Dom please requote your post 99 from dream level. thanks

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:28 am
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Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:24 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:15 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:07 am
Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]
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by Michelle » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:09 am
Dom's Iso is a chain of shades adressed firstly at Iaafr who is my top TR since day 1 with Nutella and Radishes that to mention 3 players.

If we have or not night 2 kills we have no infos, but Nova and Nanook goes to other creepy dream level distinct by this one. No words about everyone else but that isn't worrisome, we know since Boo was mislynched that a thread with normal lynch mechanics still exists and there mafia succeded to push it's narrative.
Dom wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:59 pm
...i'm quite frankly sick of this discourse and want to play the game.
And he played a lot, like we see below:
Dom wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:59 pm
Yeah, I don't love radishes' posts at all.
And that is his last post. What a scum play!

Dom goes near Elephant in my scumpile of players outside the dream and to make them a trio i will add Nova.
Quin wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:02 am
but also like when i have a minute i'll read through who's left and give thoughts now that i'm not buried in activity
@Quin don't limit yourself at the current list, you have to give your ideas for everyone in this thread for me to make a read on you. Thanks for cooperation.
this is my first post against Dom. before criticize it think at the low level of info we had in the dream level.
It says "Phase 2", but this is a day 3 post, right? Are you as certain about Dom as you are about me?
Nova flipped town, btw.
yes, how do you know? scumchat told you isn't it?
Almost.
I know, we talked today btw.
Can you please dial down the hostility? Nanook and Nova are mentioned, that's how I know.
"Almost" is not the answer I was hoping for.
The point about nova is that your read on nova was wrong. But then, you weren't very confident on them, so maybe that's ok.

the fact I call you wolf is not hostility, is game my read.

Thanks, your last sentence implies that being my confidence my reads are ok.

Elephant agrees he and Dom are scum

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:40 am
112 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:11 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:09 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:06 pm I was complaining about the weird turn of events

all out d2 is a hypothetical where we had the whole playerlist and weren't restricted by strange rules

I wasn't complaining about the threadstate given the restrictions, I was complaining about the restrictions and the playerpool getting fucked with

but sure yea double down on your bad reading comprehension dude
"my opponents are mean and critiquing me! but they are also illiterate!"

Decide if you're on the civility police task force or not. Your meaning was far from clear. Get over yourself.

You seem to have an awful lot of time to complain about me, but none to rebut Epi's claims that you have quarreled with almost nothing specifically.

iaafr let's get this guy

he's trying to beat your spirit down imo

don't fall for it
This is a bad look for 112.

how come you can quote and I can't?

taking advantage of pc to write my paper notes

D1 vote count

[10] Dragomir - Benson, nutella, vanity., Long Con, Master Radishes, Hyena, Trustworthy Liberal, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Pawn Lelouch, juliets
[7] 112 - Creature, Evenstar, TonyStarkPrime, novaselinenever, Elephant, Epignosis, Jackofhearts2005
[3] Evenstar - Texas Cloverleaf?, sprityo, Quin
[2] Hyena - Dom, Michelle
[2] No Lynch - iaafr, boo
[1] Epignosis - MacDougall
[1] MacDougall - Dragomir
[1] nutella - Lady LambdaDelta
[1] Trustworthy Liberal - 112

D2 vc
[5] boo - Long Con, Hyena, nutella, Benson, vanity.,
[5] DFaraday - Trustworthy Liberal, Creature, juliets,boo , Elephant
[1] Trustworthy Liberal - DFaraday

D3 vc
[1] Creature - NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
[2] Elephant - Long Con, vanity.
[3] Nova/Ty4on - nutella, juliets, Creature
[1] Trustworthy Liberal - Nova/Ty4on
[3] vanity. -Trustworthy Liberal, Elephant, Hyena

D4 vc
[3] Trustworthy Liberal - Long Con, vanity., Creature
[5] vanity. - Elephant, juliets, Hyena, nutella, Trustworthy Liberal
non voting - Quin, LLD

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:18 am @Michelle see above

thanks I will read it and answer at it.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:15 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:07 am
Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]
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by Michelle » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:09 am
Dom's Iso is a chain of shades adressed firstly at Iaafr who is my top TR since day 1 with Nutella and Radishes that to mention 3 players.

If we have or not night 2 kills we have no infos, but Nova and Nanook goes to other creepy dream level distinct by this one. No words about everyone else but that isn't worrisome, we know since Boo was mislynched that a thread with normal lynch mechanics still exists and there mafia succeded to push it's narrative.
Dom wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:59 pm
...i'm quite frankly sick of this discourse and want to play the game.
And he played a lot, like we see below:
Dom wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:59 pm
Yeah, I don't love radishes' posts at all.
And that is his last post. What a scum play!

Dom goes near Elephant in my scumpile of players outside the dream and to make them a trio i will add Nova.
Quin wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:02 am
but also like when i have a minute i'll read through who's left and give thoughts now that i'm not buried in activity
@Quin don't limit yourself at the current list, you have to give your ideas for everyone in this thread for me to make a read on you. Thanks for cooperation.
this is my first post against Dom. before criticize it think at the low level of info we had in the dream level.
It says "Phase 2", but this is a day 3 post, right? Are you as certain about Dom as you are about me?
Nova flipped town, btw.

yes, how do you know? scumchat told you isn't it?
Almost.
I know, we talked today btw.

btw I made these posts very easy on computer because I came to work for few tasks. Wow being on PC <3

After I will go and vote (election day in my country for president) so if I am not answering I am busy irl.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:01 am Did....did anyone else (besides juliets) read my day 4 post wall or did I just get ignored again? :/

I hadn’t heard anything about it is all. Especially for anyone with Radishes or Evenstar in their scum list or is currently voting them @112

link it please, I am in other Iso rn

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by Michelle » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:09 am
Dom's Iso is a chain of shades adressed firstly at Iaafr who is my top TR since day 1 with Nutella and Radishes that to mention 3 players.

If we have or not night 2 kills we have no infos, but Nova and Nanook goes to other creepy dream level distinct by this one. No words about everyone else but that isn't worrisome, we know since Boo was mislynched that a thread with normal lynch mechanics still exists and there mafia succeded to push it's narrative.
Dom wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:59 pm
...i'm quite frankly sick of this discourse and want to play the game.
And he played a lot, like we see below:
Dom wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:59 pm
Yeah, I don't love radishes' posts at all.
And that is his last post. What a scum play!

Dom goes near Elephant in my scumpile of players outside the dream and to make them a trio i will add Nova.
Quin wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:02 am
but also like when i have a minute i'll read through who's left and give thoughts now that i'm not buried in activity
@Quin don't limit yourself at the current list, you have to give your ideas for everyone in this thread for me to make a read on you. Thanks for cooperation.

this is my first post against Dom. before criticize it think at the low level of info we had in the dream level.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:53 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:49 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:44 am Since TLiberal is discussed, did @Long Con ever show us perspective in TL's ISO? I know at least one other player promised an ISO, it was either Epi or Michelle, I think?
I did. My SRs comes first, TL will be Iso-ed later.

Logically because he asked me this has a slight TR from me.
I noted that because you doing an ISO on TL tells me if you are doing it from a towny or a scummy perspective. That is why I would like you to do it. It's not even very large.

I can only do it from towny perspective, your shade is useless.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:08 am Does everyone know that this game is based on the fact that we lie about each other?

I like you agree you can lie

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:23 pm ....That's not what I asked.

What makes her vote record worse than mine-- someone you were convinced was bad just two days ago?

agreeing you had bad votes. noted

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:25 pm Jack didn't produce much of substance until things boiled over on him in the lower dreams.
He stopped producing, buddied nutella and followed epi's vote on her with zero reasoning.

yuck

time for me to check Jack too.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:25 pm Jack
sprityo
eva
pawn
iaafr

there be baddies

Whom though? I don't see much content at you.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:44 am Since TLiberal is discussed, did @Long Con ever show us perspective in TL's ISO? I know at least one other player promised an ISO, it was either Epi or Michelle, I think?

I did. My SRs comes first, TL will be Iso-ed later.

Logically because he asked me this has a slight TR from me.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] tell me please where is your head at today

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:23 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:03 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:57 am
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:55 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:54 am
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:39 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:34 am
what do you think about Elephant?
I see someone playing illogically.

Not sure if it's bad, or just illogical.
Could you please point out to me where I've been illogical?
You're voting for Michelle right now, that's a start.
Ok. I like to use my vote at this stage to indicate where my mind is at, and perhaps to get reactions. I haven't been able to put a complete case together, because I am still (!) catching up, but I don't think Michelle has a solving attitude towards me at all, and I scumread that.
I think she's just town who has misunderstood a lot of your replies and part of that is probably just language barrier and part of it is she hasn't had time to look through your whole iso. I don't like that she's so confident on you when she has a flawed and incomplete understanding of you, but I think she's probably just town
I am not a meta person, and I haven played with Michelle as scum (I think), but I believe Michelle is normally not this confident. There is a reason for that, but I agree with you that it might be a towny reason.

I want to trust my gut reads not like in the previous game when I lost in f3 :/

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:22 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:04 am I can't make much sense of Michelle's D0/D1 ISO, but I found these two gems.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:19 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:13 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:12 pm kill Michelle she's not Towny
yeah i'd expect to have a townread on michelle at this point if she were a villa

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine
wait you voted me before reading my Iso? -_-

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:34 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:31 pm i guess michelle is posting more than i know of her scum meta but uhh

no townread still

defaults to a wolfread
omgus suits you
I'd vote Radishes over Sprityo and Evenstar right now, but it's still earlay in the day.
what to do with this gem? What do you see here?
1) You scumread vanity, yet you blame me for the same thing.
2) You criticize vanity for voting without reading the ISO, yet you do the same with me.
3) You shade him for omgus'ing, but he is town; but me omgus'ing makes me a wolf
4) vanity wolfread you.
I will put it as clearly as I can: Vanity is our redirector; I'd bet he redirected your wolf kill onto Tony or Texas, and because you couldn't kill me, you have been pushing this agenda-y lynch ever since.

1. that is old d1 story. reading in d4 I saw he should be saved.
2. I've skimmed it. I have a life tbh.
3. again old d1 early stages
4. so what? village can make mistakes
This is a lie. There is never knowledge from me about Texas until Sod 5 you are spouting nonsenses no offense :/

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:19 am @Michelle what makes you SR Dom?

his day on the dream level, I hope I can make a case if I have time.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:38 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:10 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:07 am think we see the game differently

wish you'd be a bit more respectful and not repeatedly imply youre obviously right and im obviously wrong in everything
is disagreement a lack of respect?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:36 am Nutella my english misunderstandings are often happening, this is my problem and I know they look odd for natives. My wording lack force sometimes because i have to express myself with the words I know and who are not enough. I am a latin languages specialist because all the language I learned in school are latin based like my native language. English is different and I never studied it, i learned it by reading. So to take posts and say what I feel about them is always hard for me. Regarding Elephant I choose posts I can talk about, I know he has many posts more relevant for a scum case against him.
I think you do a pretty good job, tbh.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:19 am That was 13 pages that were barely worth reading.
Cool!

Can I just say that these posts are kind of just as worthless as the posts you're complaining about? You have control of what is in the thread. Change it if you don't like it.

I struggle to land on someone who isn't Eva. Elephant v. Michelle seemed civ v. civ to me. Can someone explain why it's not?

Thanks for encouragement.

I will tell you why the bolded is wrong. Giving my step by step reads I made in this game, I have Pawn as town and Pawn saying Eve is villager, I would never lynch her today.

aand me vs Elephant is civ vs mafia. Which I think you know because I SR you too.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:39 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:27 am I've seen Pawn's name appear at the bottom of my screen. Hi Pawn. I actually have to leave now though.
Perfect, I can go back to sleep guilt free!

that was funny

Yes sir I will post my reasons for town Pawn.

Just a logic before i will reread.
When you think at his drop of scum read for Drago you can also think at why he started the scum read so early to attract attention to Drago if he was wolf. As wolf you don't need distancing in day 1 in such game. And he still voted scum isn't it?
Please let the Drago wagon for later in the game and focus on the counter wagon i bet we have wolves there.

In spoiler i copy pasted from my notes the case Epi made for Pawn. The conclusion is objective imo. Spoilered in spoiler the all post because it's not well formatted :/

Spoiler: show

Pawn LeLouch

Spoiler: show

This might not mean much at first glance, but at the time, I was certainly not a main candidate to be lynched, and I said as much. Why this is significant is that it means Pawn was unconcerned with keeping an eye on the poll in order to manipulate where the votes fell during crunch time.

++++

If I squint hard I could see a Dragomir teammate, but that last point resonates with me.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:21 pm but like i will actually fight anyone who tries to lynch nutella right now

This is villagery. For who wants more proof of why is Quin town

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:09 am I'm supposed to be getting work done but I'm reading random ISOs instead.

Pawn's mafia isn't he?

I can only read Pawn villager after our dream level posts.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:19 pm nutella-- let's focus on something more productive.

is pawn bad or nah

I liked Nutellas answer at this question. Keeping in mind I have Pawn top town and I consider her town and Dom scum this kind of question means for me a shade for both.
For who is productive to instill an indirect doubt? for scum. Who you Dom asking? A consensus TR.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:53 am i just read the parts of the other layer when i was absent, with pawn summarizing the layer he spent with me. it was pretty funny and overall that was an enjoyable read. lld floated the idea that there has to be at least one scum in hyena/dom/michelle and that was her only thought that she expressed in that layer while i wasnt there

also someone for the love of god shoot colin

I agree with you here and the scum is Dom from what i felt while we were in the dream with him.

Nutella my english misunderstandings are often happening, this is my problem and I know they look odd for natives. My wording lack force sometimes because i have to express myself with the words I know and who are not enough. I am a latin languages specialist because all the language I learned in school are latin based like my native language. English is different and I never studied it, i learned it by reading. So to take posts and say what I feel about them is always hard for me. Regarding Elephant I choose posts I can talk about, I know he has many posts more relevant for a scum case against him.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:22 am calling it a night gn

good night

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:07 am think we see the game differently

wish you'd be a bit more respectful and not repeatedly imply youre obviously right and im obviously wrong in everything

is disagreement a lack of respect?

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:05 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:55 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:39 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:30 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:22 am
Spoiler: show

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:13 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:59 am

It looks like you are scumreading me because
a) I pushed vanity for three days,
b) I feel very frustrated that vanity did not turn out to be the scum lynch we needed,
c) I survived the night,
d) you had more information and a better read on Quin than I do.
Is that correct?
no
1. you succeded to finally push your narrative on Vanity
2. you are not frustrated at all. wanna know how a frustrated townie looks like? I may give you a hint but may be ban worthy.
3. You complained about that being last post, mafia usually says such things.
4. i played with Quin previously. he is not the talkative type. More often mafia overexplains like you do.

What do you think about Quin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?
1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?
1. i don't need to know if your narrative is static or dynamic tbh, i spotted it as scum narrative.
2. you are extremely relaxed and content of the gamestate
3. do you feel yourself as town core? if so, why didn't share oppinions about the players I asked at first glance?
4. Quin? i have town meta, i posted my reason to TR him. Mendel? he's not in the game. What do you want to say?
1. Why is my narrative a scum narrative for you?
2. No, I am not.
3. I felt fairly powerless for most of the game except day 4. I wanted to address your issues with me. I haven't looked at half of the players you asked me about for days, you saw my post on quin,my stance on nutella, and my stance on TL if you ISOd me. Why don't you ask me questions there if that is not enough for you?
4. You did not even ISO me for your case.
1. because is efficient
2. no need to convince me here.
3. i feel in you a powerful player. You cannot be powerless in a madness game except you are hiding TMI and want to show kindness instead of aggresivity as fake feeling. This powerless thingy you're talking about is for me a proof you are content. Town is never powerless. He has logic, votes and still numbers.
4. I will not make that on phone, i quoted the things are essential not your powerwolfing huge Iso
elephant saying he feels powerless resonates with me. it is a feeing that i think is much more obvious from a town perspective in this game.

if you're town, you're in a bad tunnel imo. you could just be scum hiding behind this tunnel though, and im starting to learn more this way.

I am town in a good tunnel.
A powerless player is never town. This is bad Ate

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