The Syndicate

Well played wolves, congrats for the win!

Thanks for hosting Jay!

I am sorry SVS, I couldn't get to you town until Eod1

Fingers crossed

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:57 pm Y'all saw Michelle in here bullying me. Just sayin'.

From all my

I am sad day ends in 7 mins and Wilgy is not here

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:52 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:51 pm Guillotine
4
33%
Voters: cat, Seanzie, DrWilgy, Epignosis

@Epignosis explain
I said I lost my coin.

Take another one and do it again

Guillotine
4
33%
Voters: cat, Seanzie, DrWilgy, Epignosis

@Epignosis explain

cat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:56 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:27 am Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players
This does not sit well with me. The moment this guy is called out for passivity he amps up the agression and votes the person pushing him? Plus the logic doesn't make sense to me, but that part is just personal preference.

Sus on Guillotine

Back to this post, Cat didn't really vote but the post kind of pocketed me because he said Guillo had a bad logic and that was my thought as well.

@cat can you tell me more about that bad logic?

Who posted - The Late Bronze Age Collapse [Day 1] - 582 replies
User NamePosts
Guillotine174
Michelle99
DrWilgy88
LinearPoint70
S~V~S38
falcon45ca36
Epignosis33
Seanzie18
Master Radishes13
cat8
JaggedJimmyJay5
Scotty1

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:40 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:37 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:32 pm Ya'll ought to know better. I've got a bourbon in my hand. Not no damn quarter. Who sits here with thirty minutes to go with a quarter in his hand? What am I? Two-Face?
The sized text looked for me like I said
Your sized text commands went in between two words.

Forgive the phone poster sir, it happens

Thanks Guillo

Where is everyone?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:37 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:32 pm Ya'll ought to know better. I've got a bourbon in my hand. Not no damn quarter. Who sits here with thirty minutes to go with a quarter in his hand? What am I? Two-Face?
The yellow text looked for me like I said

Ebwop

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:32 pm Ya'll ought to know better. I've got a bourbon in my hand. Not no damn quarter. Who sits here with thirty minutes to go with a quarter in his hand? What am I? Two-Face?

The sized text looked for me like I said

Otoh Epi is right. Eod presence is town indicative

@Guillotine a legacy read is important because if you want someone to understand your reads by analising your while ISO that means a too big work for town, so it's better to do it rather than say 'read my Iso'

Your suspicion on LP is logical fmpov and I couldn’t give them a full town read yet and I am affraid I have to ISO them overnight to check why.

3 tied wagons of 3 players, one cop claim, one low active and our dear SVS.

Is this dead air dead villager?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:18 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:17 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:15 pm In 45 minutes I shall be 40.
Happy birthday Epi!!!!!
SHH

Not yet!

Jesus.

My bad

Spoiler: show

VC

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:15 pm In 45 minutes I shall be 40.

Happy birthday Epi!!!!!

I was scared when Guillo said Eod is in 30 mins but I looked at the time of the post and it was at 3:30 my time when Eod is at 7 am

Lol Guillo tbh

I don't mind letting Mr.R catch up tomorrow but he is lower in my Poe because he said he will sheep me today.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:18 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:18 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:08 pm @Guillotine tell me what do you want to work at
i want you to keep me in check if I start acting like I'm losing control, I'm very paranoid and stupid pushes that could very well come from town cloud my judgement, I need you to be my compass.

I will consider this when it happens

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:22 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:16 pm All right, Guillo is now ahead of me now. I'll vote for cat rather than making a vanity vote as I would prefer not to yeet him.

[VOTE: cat] aubergine
This is kinda LAMIST @Michelle

What do you think?

I am affraid I don't want to leave the wagon. I see only self defence from SVS but not a real solve.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:58 pm [VOTE: Cat] aubergine

Both Cat and Epignosis seem a good execute for me.

I've not liked Cat all day and of the two I want to go with my gut first. Plus SVS seemed unsure of their read on Epi and I fear voting Epi might bait SVS into switching to a wagon they are not super confident in.

Cat is Poe by inactivity, but I veto a wagon on Epi.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 8:10 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:52 pm I believe one of these is correct. Assuming the low posting Radish not being wolf.

Cat-Epi
Cat/Epi/SVS-Wilgy

I don't see a world where it's SVS-Epi. Their interaction does feel rather 1-sided from Epignosis. There is a very niche world where SVS was just blindsided by an allied wolf hardpush.
Im confident that it is SvS now.

SvS/Cat
SvS/Wilgy

Is where the money is at in my opinion.

Why?

Because maybe Cat was pushing for my elimination to save SvS
The same i could say about Wilgy but in reality my scum read on Wilgy is more on the individual level

A case on Wilgy scum will help if you have time

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 8:24 pm If you want i can lolcat so you dint feel bad lynching me.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 8:51 pm Also if SvS is scum, Michelle is def lock town as she does not bus on day 1, if not ever, i have not seen her bussing on day 1 though.

I am town regardless.

Also good morning everyone!!!

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:10 pm You accused me of a shade.

What was the shade?

@ Svs

You accused me of a shade.

What was the shade?

@Guillotine tell me what do you want to work at

*if it’s Nai

Sorry

VC

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LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:03 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:01 pm Epi: SVS and Michelle are scum
SVS: Epi and Michelle are scum

?
I feel like you're trying to imply something here, but it's NAI for 2 people to sus each other and a similar person.

Time will tell of it's NAI

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 5:58 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 5:50 pm [VOTE: Cat] aubergine

SvS feels like Dead Air, Dead Villager
I feel like dead air.

I'll vote Epi for now, I'll be back after dinner, I'll skip the couch tonight. So I'll [VOTE: Epi] aubergine.

linki @Michelle thanks for the reply, I'll read it. Appreciated, you understand why I got pushy about it?? I explained it up there ^^^ (heh) it almost felt to me like Epi was setting up a preemptive town clear of you, it felt TMI to me, and whether or not you were associated with that

It just felt to me like a way for him to say, after I died, "Well I guess I must be wrong about Michelle too". kinda thing.

I need the answer for the cyan text pls

Epi: SVS and Michelle are scum
SVS: Epi and Michelle are scum

?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:54 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:20 am If I recall correctly, all that's left of Ozymandias is an inscribed pedestal and his feet, right? Maybe I'll save the despair for some other game.

This is an awkward start time for me, I'm unlikely to be here EOD. I guess I expected overnight catchup to be more time consuming. I should have time to watch the video instead.
I do not mind this sort of entrance post. I think the word "instead" is weird, but I think I get it.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?
Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.
Nothing wrong with this post in a vacuum either.

In context, I think Michelle's question is a little too much to take seriously. Michelle has played a long time and even said of playing with S~V~S: "Yes, of course. Many times but I never counted."

I believe Michelle would know the number is "two" and never one or three.

The question and answer happened so quickly together.

]I think a civilian S~V~S would have waited it out to see how others would have responded to Michelle's question before weighing in (or responding at all). It's such a softball interaction.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:20 am LP
Seanzie
Cat
Epi
SVS
MR
Michelle
Guillo
I get why Guillo, but why Michelle? I don’t associate snap votes with bad Michelle, do you think she’s bussing him?
I sense a moment of panic here.

The tactic is to try to clear a teammate on the back of someone else's lynch. If Guillotine (who has the most votes) is a civilian, then obviously Michelle couldn't be "bussing" him.

]More importantly, I don't see S~V~S trying to understand DrWilgy's other colors. No questions about me (I certainly have done nothing to warrant being green) or anybody else. This means that S~V~S isn't trying to understand DrWilgy, which means S~V~S already knows DrWilgy is not mafia.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:28 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?
Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.
Why would be 3 unbalanced?
With only 10 players? That’s almost a third of the players list?

His Solar System game had 11 players, 2 mafia. With fewer players more wolves seems unlikely?

This is rather a debatable point to get aggro about?
]I don't understand this at all. At what point was Michelle getting "aggro?"

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:39 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:28 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?
Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.
Why would be 3 unbalanced?
With only 10 players? That’s almost a third of the players list?

His Solar System game had 11 players, 2 mafia. With fewer players more wolves seems unlikely?

This is rather a debatable point to get aggro about?
Did I put enough question marks in this ^^? Maybe I need a few more?

@DrWilgy mathematical balance is not my strong suit; I was working on the premise that he wouldn’t have more wolves than in a game with more players than this. Hopefully he chooses to tell us, but if not, not.
Nothing wrong with this, but quoting it for later.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:44 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:29 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:27 am Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players
2 is a bit town sided.

Fight me, I am bored ^^
@falcon45ca even she thought she was sounding a bit aggro ^^ eh?

Although she might have been shading me, she made this post after the one I made implying she was sounding a tad aggro.
]Good S~V~S engages with Michelle to find out what Michelle meant rather than talking to someone else about it and then assigning her own meaning to Michelle's post.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:51 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:48 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:44 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:29 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:27 am Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players
2 is a bit town sided.

Fight me, I am bored ^^
@falcon45ca even she thought she was sounding a bit aggro ^^ eh?

Although she might have been shading me, she made this post after the one I made implying she was sounding a tad aggro.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?
Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.
Why would be 3 unbalanced?
@S~V~S is this the post you are referring to as shade in?
No the one I quoted, where she said “fight me” to someone else since she said that after I called her aggro lol

More making fun than shading, maybe like :P

That was: Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:51 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:00 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:50 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:44 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:29 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:27 am Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players
2 is a bit town sided.

Fight me, I am bored ^^
@falcon45ca even she thought she was sounding a bit aggro ^^ eh?

Although she might have been shading me, she made this post after the one I made implying she was sounding a tad aggro.

@Michelle Are you aggro?

We all have heard players say 'fight me I'm bored', and we've all seen players actually get aggro....the two are not the same

SVS is making mountains of molehills

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine
Am I?

I don't intend to. I have no idea how that is an aggression.

The ^^ is an emote sign, similar to so for me it had a joking tone.
That was: Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:00 am

Nine minutes later.

I noted multiple "^^" in S~V~S's posts. They just stood out to me. It's almost like an inside joke between Michelle and S~V~S knowing they don't have a chance in this game, so screw it, have fun. I believe S~V~S is gassed as mafia. I believe Michelle doesn't like to be mafia.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:54 am @falcon45ca nah

You’re reading too much into one word. I’ve noticed you tend to do this with me.

Do you think Michelle is town?
I don't know what word S~V~S is referring to. She doesn't say. Again, there's nothing to figure falcon out and a weird question about Michelle.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:35 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:58 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:54 am @falcon45ca nah

You’re reading too much into one word. I’ve noticed you tend to do this with me.

Do you think Michelle is town?
I mean, I kinda saw it too.

I think assumption of aggro from Michelle was somewhat overplaced, I do think W's are immediately more aware or easier to perceive pushes against them. i.e. aggro.
The staccato way she said it felt almost accusatory to me, it’s how I read her tone, I’m a tone reader

It’s not something I necessarily associate with bad Michelle (for me my bad Michelle reference point was Anni, where she was not aggro). This was more an observation as I was a bit taken aback by how she got in my face over it. She asked a throwaway question (unless the host clarifies, who knows?) I gave a throwaway answer (again, who knows?) and she got in my face about it.

In the last game I played with town Falcon he susses town me for word choice. I mean, this is all over one word which tbh I still find valid in the context in which I used it.

In any case I don’t think I’m the one mountain/molehilling.

@LinearPoint havent read your post just kinda skimmed, I’ll get back to you after work.
I believe S~V~S and Michelle are mafia.

The yellow parts I agreed with

Now that I reread please explain the cyan text

I ceased to read at the fuchsia sentence and I started laughing. Still, I think Epi has a towny approach.

@S~V~S here it is what I liked

I'll go to sleep, see you in the morning

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:50 pm @S~V~S Do you believe Guillotine's Parity Cop claim?

If so, who do prefer to be your counterwagon?

This question is so weird. I think I know the answer because she implied it, but why do you asked about her choice for CV instead asking for her reads?

VC now:

Guillotine 4 Voters: cat, Seanzie, DrWilgy, falcon45ca

S~V~S 5 Voters: LinearPoint, Master Radishes, Epignosis, Guillotine, Michelle

Let's make it more close then

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:34 pm SVS please vote

Ebwop

@S~V~S

SVS pleaee vote

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Vc

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:55 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:53 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:50 pm Harclaim Parity Cop
Ok, you have my attention

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine
Can we finally work together or not. Im gonna die soon, i dont think im gonna see the day where i can reveal a parity check now that i claimed! Thanks!

Do you mean what exactly when you say 'work together'?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:15 pm I mean , your reaction to it at the time, you really seemed to like it.

Yes but to do the effort to reread it at 11:30 pm only to explain you why I liked it seems like you want me to focus on that and I don't see the usefulness because it doesn't change my read on you.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:09 pm I mean Mafia would be silly to attack a Parity Cop Nigh 1.
Guillotine's claim just means that they will be safe from virtually all Wolf non-Roleblocker roles and draw in Town-aligned Protective Roles.
It's a very safe claim for a wolf, I'll say that. It wont be CCed today, maybe tomorrow another Cop might CC. And most townies wont want to chop a Cop claim Day 1.

This is correct.

I am aware that the wolves may not kill Guillo even if he is town parity cop, because of wifom.

I survived until endgame as full cop in this site, go figure, and we lost because my red cheched claimed miller and played like a god, also town played bad. That's in the part of the head where I throw garbage I want to forget but these things don't let themselves flushed out, while useful infos like meta of SVS are vanishing as soon as the games end. Oh well..

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:55 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:53 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:50 pm Harclaim Parity Cop
Ok, you have my attention

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine
Can we finally work together or not. Im gonna die soon, i dont think im gonna see the day where i can reveal a parity check now that i claimed! Thanks!

Maybe there'd be a doctor in the house as well?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:52 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:48 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:41 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:39 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:38 pm Hello!

I am here, but only for a little bit. What is going on?
Have you at least read the game?
If I had read the game, I wouldn't need someone to tell me what's going on.

What's going on?
A mafia game, people suspecting/ accusing each other with various levels of confidence and agenda.
Do you want to take part?
Yes, who should I accuse and suspect, what level of confidence should I be at with respect to them, and what should my agenda be?

Well, I suspected Guillo and he suspected me, so both we had a heated argument.
SVS has low impact in the game, willing to die if she can't get out of Poe.
Wilgy is my TR but he keeps his cards close to the chest (my impression), and also Guillo's suspect. The fact Guillo wanted to turn attention to him gave me the heebie jeebies and I suspected Guillo even more.
Linear is questioning everyone and has an interesting playstyle, but I have no meta and despite his rich content I don't have any vibe read.
Radishes is towny at least.
Cat has little posts but I liked them, also no meta so take it as a vibe read.
Falcon is towny.

I forgot anyone?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:50 pm Harclaim Parity Cop

Ok, you have my attention

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:45 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:48 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:28 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:25 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:22 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:03 am If I'm wrong at any point, there's another several hours to discuss it. Guillotine called me good (I don't know why) and S~V~S has said nothing about me (I don't know why).

One thing is for sure:

Unlike Ozymandias, I will be back later.
If you still dont know why, you have not been reading or lack of reading comprehension or dont understand language or you are myopic

Why don't you think Epi could be scum here, pushing an agenda?
Because i put myself on his shoes to see from his vantage point what he saw, and i can see that my reason to vote SvS at the time looked based on poor logic. It id a townie thought.
Talking about that poor logic, why do you think someone taking advantage of your mistake, if you are town, is town motivated?
Because that lines up to what ive seen from town!Epi, he is like me, trying to catch people with gotchas

Personally I think scum Epi wouldn't let his mate without his presence so many hours after posting first in the game, and from this reason I never had Epi in scum reads.

The rest of his posts felt like he found something really suspicious, not like he has a scum agenda to push.
Also, i liked what he said.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:41 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:39 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:38 pm Hello!

I am here, but only for a little bit. What is going on?
Have you at least read the game?
If I had read the game, I wouldn't need someone to tell me what's going on.

What's going on?

A mafia game, people suspecting/ accusing each other with various levels of confidence and agenda.
Do you want to take part?

From the OP

1.) Claim whatever you want if anything. This game has no roles.

Thoughts?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:28 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?
Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.
Why would be 3 unbalanced?
With only 10 players? That’s almost a third of the players list?

His Solar System game had 11 players, 2 mafia. With fewer players more wolves seems unlikely?

This is rather a debatable point to get aggro about?

Here is mentioned the first time the aggro word.
But I was curious, not aggresive
That was the idea in my head.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:29 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:27 am Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players
2 is a bit town sided.

Fight me, I am bored ^^

Here is, like I explained, a not serious fight challenge.

If anyone thinks I am/was aggresive, please tell me how.

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