The Syndicate

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:54 pm I have no reads on you, your volume is cool. You have been poking people as well, but I have not really find any thing towmy or scummy in particular so null for now.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:51 pm

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:50 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:29 pm @Poison I am having a difficult time following your read on me. Could you talk about it some more?

No reads no you specifically just null rn.

Why? You've made several comments which indicate that you have had thoughts about my alignment. Null reads are illegal. Am I town or mafia? Why?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:45 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:25 pm @TonyStarkPrime your reads so far seem to be going a bit against the grain. Does this matter or mean anything to you?

I don’t think there’s an established grain. I don’t think my reads go against any grain that could be established, except for TRing the Marmot who has two votes right now.

You stated pretty soon after your arrival that no one has been towny/nearly everyone has been scummy. That's against the grain.

One of marmot's two votes is a self-vote. I wouldn't call a townread on him "against the grain."

Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:33 pm anybody else have no idea what people mean by “townslipping” and “townclearing” ?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:29 pm @Poison I am having a difficult time following your read on me. Could you talk about it some more?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:58 am

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:57 am EoD at 6:30 am. I'm not even surprised.

Are you in one of those “off a half hour” time zones

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:55 am

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:52 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:01 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:27 am TSP's reads are so off kilter that I suspect he's trying to replicate his "crazy stream of consciousness" town playstyle. I'm not feeling the townread on him and I think "everyone is scum" is a pretty lazy way of looking at this gamestate tbh.

Mac says they’re not reads they’re just comments, which is more or less accurate, but it means that then being off kilter is a ? Also, I have like three town reads. And we’re six hours into day 1.

24 hours + something sir!

Day’s 48 hours, ends 4 on Sunday?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:06 am

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:26 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:25 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:12 am Mac came into the game and said that people were towny which is the opposite of reality

Who's scummy?

Everyone besides Nutella and Marmot

Why not nutella?

Nutella towncleared herself on page 6

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:05 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:03 am

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:18 am [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

??

Little happened between Vul saying "Marmot’s first post is kinda towny, but my snapreads are legendarily bad, so I won’t rely on them too much." and then voting him.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:01 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:27 am TSP's reads are so off kilter that I suspect he's trying to replicate his "crazy stream of consciousness" town playstyle. I'm not feeling the townread on him and I think "everyone is scum" is a pretty lazy way of looking at this gamestate tbh.

Mac says they’re not reads they’re just comments, which is more or less accurate, but it means that then being off kilter is a ? Also, I have like three town reads. And we’re six hours into day 1.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:47 am

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:02 pm

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:00 pm One of Alison - Vulgard is scum probably, do not like the syn votes on page 3.

Why are Alison and Vulgard not the same alignment?

They can easily be together, but there's a possibility of a confirmed mafia is higher.

I'm not quite understanding that last sentence, can you rephrase it?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:50 am Where is Vul and where is Arete to tell me things about Vul

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:45 am Marmot traditionally self-votes at the start, iirc. Just putting it out there, I don't see it as at all alignment-indicative. I understand it probably confuses most players here. I don't particularly condone it as useful or productive, I just remember it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:43 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:39 am Poison is blatant naked mafia.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

This post and vote is so bad that idk makes me scum read you more.

That's some clunky distancing, you guys.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:39 am Poison is blatant naked mafia.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:39 am Poison is blatant naked mafia.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:38 am #124 This is not alignment indicative for me, I always do this.

#153 Mostly the posts about me.

#165 Very aubergine.

I honestly don’t understand what’s happening in the thread. It feels like everyone is just doing their own thing (e.g. shitposting / talking about out-of-game stuff). Which is not exactly unusual, but it makes it hard to find mafia.

Alison has really, really leveled up since I first expressed my dislike of her posts. I currently think she’s way more likely town than I did before.

Poison is weird this game. She seems a bit… muted. The preflip in post #299 is also very, very odd. It seems to imply that Syn is town and one of me/Alison is mafia voting Syn, which is a bold assumption to make and possibly indicative of TMI. I know it is thrown out as some kind of “hot take,” but it still feels awful to me.

Marmot’s first post is kinda towny, but my snapreads are legendarily bad, so I won’t rely on them too much.

#345 I literally caught you on that last game.

#350 Is another one of Syn’s takes which I hate. What do you mean, “town for flooding?”

I like what Tony’s doing.

I also think Mac’s towny. Can’t really explain why, though.

I think I’m sitting on something like Sloonei, Mac, TSP, Alison town, Poison and Syn sketchy. Marmot maybe town based on a snapread.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:55 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:35 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:30 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:27 am I can run down the list if you want me to

From memory:

You asked me about a three poster and also asked a weird setup question which I told LC was a bad read but specifically those questions
Alison made a long post early that I thought fit in her meta but felt off — too long for its purpose, Alison is efficient. I quoted it. Other early reads from Alison feel similar
FG, well FG actually townslipped iirc
Mac said everyone was town and then accepted LC’s positioning dance
LC called you out for the questions, did the thing with Mac, is LC
Vul has like 10 posts
Poison feels a little stilted and said that you had god reads which felt weird
Enrique I don’t know Enrique didn’t do anything wrong really
And I think that’s it?

These aren't reads these are just comments about people dude

You're definition mafia here with your scumreading everyone schtick btw

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:35 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:30 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:27 am I can run down the list if you want me to

From memory:

You asked me about a three poster and also asked a weird setup question which I told LC was a bad read but specifically those questions
Alison made a long post early that I thought fit in her meta but felt off — too long for its purpose, Alison is efficient. I quoted it. Other early reads from Alison feel similar
FG, well FG actually townslipped iirc
Mac said everyone was town and then accepted LC’s positioning dance
LC called you out for the questions, did the thing with Mac, is LC
Vul has like 10 posts
Poison feels a little stilted and said that you had god reads which felt weird
Enrique I don’t know Enrique didn’t do anything wrong really
And I think that’s it?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:25 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:12 am Mac came into the game and said that people were towny which is the opposite of reality

Who's scummy?

Everyone besides Nutella and Marmot

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:17 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:13 am So much talk about Vul, but one thing’s missing.

Sloonei asked me what I thought of Vul more broadly, the answer is not much. I had the advantage of knowing Vul’s alignment the first time. But he threw out strong reads early and SRed me for the same reasons. The vote on Syn pings me for level 1 reasons, but he seems the same outside of the above factor.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:02 am TSP is town for flooding

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:45 am

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:58 am I'm pretty sure I have to wake up to catch at least 10-15 pages. Smh.

Looks like a no

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:15 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:51 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:35 pm So um, I'm town and I think I'm the only one.

Marmot marmot, where have you been and what is mafia? I forget how to play, please remind me.

It depends. If you're the mafia, you probably want to kill me. If you're an innocent pure townie like me, you self-vote and hope your teammates will carry you.

Which one are you?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:43 pm I have a role that can kill Long Con at any time

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:14 pm Your ass is mine, cupcake.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:11 pm i stand corrected i think enrique's town

even though my ego has a booboo now

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:52 pm yeah that's what i'm thinking. i like it when people go against the grain like that. it's not enough for me to form a read on him though

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:50 pm i think it's too early to pile on vulgard. i think valid points have been raised against him but like sloonei said i wanna let him breathe. when i get a lot of pressure early i tend to become defensive and unproductive.

we're here to find wolves plural. we won't get far narrowing the discussion down to one person this early

that being said, enrique saying that vulgard "seems fine" when the rest of us disagree is imo an important data point to hold onto for now. it's spicy. i disagree but it's spicy

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:24 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:52 pm How about "How many of the people outside of the thread are Mafia?"

This questions begs another: how many people in the thread are mafia?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:15 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:05 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:01 pm I think it's a pretty ugly look that Vulgard's "throat has been thoroughly jumped down" but nobody seems to want to actually vote him. I think there is a good chance he is scum and his teammates bussed for early distance but are afraid to commit the vote because they were scared by the apparent steam his wagon was building and didn't want to lose a member so rapidly.

I don't think that he and Sloonei are wolves together. If Sloonei is a wolf, I have less suspicion of Vulgard. I still like your take on him, and could easily vote that way. I am not a teammate.

He doesn't have 6 teammates so I'm not saying that everyone who doesn't vote Vulgard is a teammate. I think many of the reasons that Sloonei raised for not voting Vulgard - give him space, there's still time, pursue other suspects, etc. - are valid. If Vulgard is in fact scum, then the townies not voting him would be doing so for those reasons, and his teammates would probably be blending in amongst them and pretending they also have that reason.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:01 pm I think it's a pretty ugly look that Vulgard's "throat has been thoroughly jumped down" but nobody seems to want to actually vote him. I think there is a good chance he is scum and his teammates bussed for early distance but are afraid to commit the vote because they were scared by the apparent steam his wagon was building and didn't want to lose a member so rapidly.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:36 pm woahhh so if sloonei's mu champ does that mean i'm the worst mafia player on the internet?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:42 pm @nutella you were one of the out-of-thread demi-gods in Assassin's Creed. What can you tell us about that experience?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:45 pm What do you mean by “theory meta”?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:19 pm @TonyStarkPrime @Poison what are your thoughts on this game's version of Vulgard compared to the version you saw in the previous game?

I lean scum on Sloonei right now because these questions don't feel like they have any solving intention behind them. They're just filling out his post count. The first one especially rubs me the wrong way. The only thing I assume about this Nanook game is that the out-of-thread element is not the same as his last game, because I expect Nanook to have a bit more creativity than that. I expect, at the very least, a fun twist on it that would intentionally subvert our assumptions based on the previous game. Standard 'sequel' stuff.

That said, I can't see what value Sloonei expected from that question. There's nothing alignment-indicative about the way nutella answers this, and there's probably little relevance to this game.

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:06 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:01 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:09 pm [VOTE: Syn] aubergine

I checked again and they have done nothing within their five posts. These posts were all spent on talking about themselves, their first post was a comment about the OP (which is not really game-related and is unlikely to out you as mafia when you talk about it as mafia), and they come across as trying to seem relaxed in the thread. Which is probably why they are spending so much time on "settling in."

I liked nutella's start, but I have some respect for their wolfgame, so I'm not going to pull an Alison and make a weakly supported solid townread on her out of nowhere.

I actually really dislike the highlighted section. I think my read was fine and I didn't pretend it was stronger than it is. I just said I liked him doing that and he looked good off it - but this is framed as though my read is overblown and feels like it's trying to discredit the way I was reading LC. This is particularly egregious because it's in service of justifying a waffle on nutella.

I should add to this: part of the reason I hated Vulgard trying to discredit my first post read so much, other than the baseline "I think it's bad when people discredit my posts" motivation, is that it is very common for mafia, especially mafia who have never played with me, to try to undermine my first post reads by framing it as being underjustified or based on little or no reasoning.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:00 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:57 pm
What about Vulgard? There was a back and forth earlier about Vulgard being possibly mafia, and he's given some game-related content.

His pushes were weak and ill-thought out, but I don't know that I'd commit to "he's wolf." I guess he's the best choice this very moment, as far as OMGUS goes.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:53 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:04 pm I don't like Alison's thin read on Long Con, I don't think it's reasonable to townread him for such a thing this early.

I like Sloonei, though. I like how he's already hardcore solving, and he's doing that in a way which doesn't come across as forced.
To answer his question -- I'm honestly not sure how to answer it at this point, because my playstyle tends to be pretty fluid. I usually try to find mafia and/or town through macro reads, and when I want to push a mafia, I case them, like I did last game. This means that I am invariably stumbling around blind on day 1 and only later developing the ability to find people's alignments with higher confidence.

TL;DR Focus on macro reads, gets better as the game goes on, usually.

Sloonei's posts don't strike me as "hardcore solving". Walk me through what about Sloonei's posts struck you as being particularly high effort.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:37 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:34 pmAma

Everybody in this game is an item in your refrigerator. Who’s what?