The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 10:28 am I had the entire game locked down D1.

I was pretty close, too. We should form a committee.

Good game, grats scum. Nanook pulled it off when it was seemingly not a tenable end. I love long solo runs, so hats off.

[mention]Master Radishes[/mention] would've had a good run too if he weren't so unlucky. I had him for a bit D1, but I believe him when he told me he was confident he was going to bounce back and throw me off his tail.

Good game from MP as well- his AtE was top-notch, champ-level stuff.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:53 pm

This is my favourite song of all time. Thank you for posting it.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:47 am I'm sorry to see you go @112 I was enjoying your play. I hope you'll sign up for another game with us.

Oh I will! Life has been hectic, and that's the main reason I haven't played many games since registering. I'm here for the long haul.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:21 pm Someone’s gonna call me out for a preemptive defense to which I respond I seriously won’t be around much for the next 48 hours I have a lot of Ancient Greek to translate and then wonder why I, ostensibly a student of mathematics, also care so much about political philosophy.

Philosophy GOAT. Mathematics is cool too. You like neat stuff.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:27 pm I wasn’t joking about self confirming.

were you lying tho

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:26 pm

112 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:58 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:56 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:41 pm [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine
I feel disgusting doing this, lol.

This is right before the above quotes. Would be say this about a scum buddy? Idk *wifom emoji* maybe he has tmi on town!nanook instead. Maybe DDL is his partner, though that would also be a weird interaction. I just get bad feelings about Hyena from those few posts, independently of nanook's alignment. He could have known MR and Nanook would both flip town. There are various possible interpretations but mostly Hyena looks icky around that part of the phase.

Whether or not nute is right, I'd clear her for this. It's a very developed read.

I'll ISO Hyena later in the night. I was sussing him a bit to myself but didn't say anything yesterday as I was focused on other people. It does read like a tmi on town!nook now that I'm looking back at it.

Are you sure you're not clearing Nute because you want to buddy up with her? :P And are you sure you didn't mention sussing me yesterday because I was widely townread and pushing you throughout the day?

It was mild sus like mild salsa.

There's not a lot of meat in Hyena's ISO. Short posts are his thing, but he usually adds more substance from what I gather of his towngame. It's by-and-large one-line posts this time around from him.

The towniest players are voting for option 1 imo.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:11 pm

112 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:58 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:56 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:41 pm [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine
I feel disgusting doing this, lol.

This is right before the above quotes. Would be say this about a scum buddy? Idk *wifom emoji* maybe he has tmi on town!nanook instead. Maybe DDL is his partner, though that would also be a weird interaction. I just get bad feelings about Hyena from those few posts, independently of nanook's alignment. He could have known MR and Nanook would both flip town. There are various possible interpretations but mostly Hyena looks icky around that part of the phase.

Whether or not nute is right, I'd clear her for this. It's a very developed read.

Yeah, nutella is slipping back into my townleans tbh.

That might make Nook scum. Hmm.

Hmm indeed...

112 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:58 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:56 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:41 pm [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine
I feel disgusting doing this, lol.

This is right before the above quotes. Would be say this about a scum buddy? Idk *wifom emoji* maybe he has tmi on town!nanook instead. Maybe DDL is his partner, though that would also be a weird interaction. I just get bad feelings about Hyena from those few posts, independently of nanook's alignment. He could have known MR and Nanook would both flip town. There are various possible interpretations but mostly Hyena looks icky around that part of the phase.

Whether or not nute is right, I'd clear her for this. It's a very developed read.

I'll ISO Hyena later in the night. I was sussing him a bit to myself but didn't say anything yesterday as I was focused on other people. It does read like a tmi on town!nook now that I'm looking back at it.

I also wouldn't put it above Hyena to be bringing up my 'Hyena is tricky' remark as some kind of foundation to fall back on the whole round. It's like he picked it up early and stored it in his head intentionally so that he could use it against me rather than having genuine paranoia around one simple remark.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:56 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:41 pm [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine
I feel disgusting doing this, lol.

This is right before the above quotes. Would be say this about a scum buddy? Idk *wifom emoji* maybe he has tmi on town!nanook instead. Maybe DDL is his partner, though that would also be a weird interaction. I just get bad feelings about Hyena from those few posts, independently of nanook's alignment. He could have known MR and Nanook would both flip town. There are various possible interpretations but mostly Hyena looks icky around that part of the phase.

Whether or not nute is right, I'd clear her for this. It's a very developed read.

I'll ISO Hyena later in the night. I was sussing him a bit to myself but didn't say anything yesterday as I was focused on other people. It does read like a tmi on town!nook now that I'm looking back at it.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:40 pm Pop quiz!

Jack is mafia. Who can tell me why?

You had a D1 investigation and used it on him.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:18 pm Why do you keep calling this an open setup, is there a role or character list somewhere that I’m missing?

Sorry- you're right that it's not an open setup. I've confused my terminology. I just mean that roles are claimable whereas in my past experience on this site there was no claiming, which I thought to be typical of the game culture here.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:47 am I quickly caught up, some thoughts:

Wary of Jack. I don't have any idea what to make of him, and I've not really seen him post like this before. The balance of content and jokes and post number is just way off. I know that sounds weird but it'sameta.

It occurred to me reading around the EOD that LC had a bunch of random votes and wagon pushers early... which was exactly the strategy I used with him in a scumgame that just ended. The mafia planned out a bunch of initial busses to look unaligned, and we (Read: LC) won thanks to that. LC is definitely someone to look into tomorrow, as well as anyone who pushed him early.

Even in that case, I think there was scum vote manipulation around the EOD. It would be good if people stated the reasons for their votes and (if they weren't on sig) whether they still believe in their wagons.

I fully agree with this post--so much that it makes me sort of wary of you.

If MP is highly emotional regardless of his affiliation, I rescind my last evening's clearing of him and refer back to tonal impurities I've noticed in his talk at points; he's still on the table. I have a very hard time, again, thinking that a wolf would become so upset in a not-highly-competitive game like this one, but he is gearing up for a Champs run, so that may explain it if he is actually wolfing.

It wouldn't be a bad strategy for him to pick out a bunch of people who he knows are TP and mention them as being towncored with him--along with mentioning maybe one person (if that) who are actually wolfing and try to bring them through with him.

Scum manipulation last night makes sense, but it could be that all our wagons were TP and they let us screw ourselves over into any lynch we wanted at the time because they weren't particularly worried about appearances at that point.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:40 am

112 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:48 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:23 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:19 am I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side

I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.

I don't think we should assume affiliations are tied to roleplaying in any way. That's a bad way to run an open set-up game.

This is probably wrong too

Probably if you say so. I'm not sure how open set-ups are usually run on this site, and Epi/Mac seem like funtime hosts, so I'll defer to a more experienced Syndicate player on this.

I've adjusted to my meds quite a bit and should be more aware of my thread surroundings today.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:23 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:19 am I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side

I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.

I don't think we should assume affiliations are tied to roleplaying in any way. That's a bad way to run an open set-up game.

I still cant' believe we lynched Dana White.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:35 pm

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:31 pm Nute could still be right about mplus but I honestly don't think anyone gets as angry as he did in a contest like this unless he's town.

That towncore post had an awful tone fwiw and it's what sparked this post.

I find this intriguing, but perhaps it's a conversation you and I should have later and not now.

Agree- I'm just going to townread you for now

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:33 pm

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:28 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:24 pm Alright, I'm saying fuck it to tinfoil for now. 112, nutella, juliets, Hyena, speed -- I think I trust the lot of you for now. Whom should I consider voting and why?

I suspect sig but he's... so sig that I just ehhh, I don't want to do that I think. What should I do?

This is a good early core.

I think long conversation is a pretty good deepwolf candidate and should be looked at

Ddl is probably just mafia and idk why we're all giving him a pass

Nano is a decent vote but might not be the best, just the best one I can come up with

Not discussing 1/0 posters

MR is an ok candidate whom I'm not sure of either way but gave a townlean to for reasons that may or may not hold up to my own scrutiny tomorrow

I'm sort of taking meta into consideration for DDL and I could see the exhaustion thing easily coming from town DDL, and I liked some of his fire in my gut, but I also see where you're coming from so I'm given a bit of pause.

What makes you think that about LC?

He's perimeter in a way to me- seems more involved than he really is imo

There's probably scum in Jack/Wilgy. They're players who have posted but only leave blanks in my mind.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:31 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:24 pm Alright, I'm saying fuck it to tinfoil for now. 112, nutella, juliets, Hyena, speed -- I think I trust the lot of you for now. Whom should I consider voting and why?

I suspect sig but he's... so sig that I just ehhh, I don't want to do that I think. What should I do?

If not 112, then probably Tony. Him joining the Sig wagon after it started growing kinda sealed the deal for me. He also placed a vote for Speedchuck earlier that I didn't like, and when I asked him about it, he gave me a pretty meh response (Tony: "He's felt disengenuous to me"). On top of that, I don't feel like he tried to do anything during the first half of D1. In the second half, I completely lost track of him. He doesn't have any kind of thread presence from my perspective.

Ohh I forgot about Tony. He's still sus.

Nute could still be right about mplus but I honestly don't think anyone gets as angry as he did in a contest like this unless he's town.

That towncore post had an awful tone fwiw and it's what sparked this post.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:24 pm Alright, I'm saying fuck it to tinfoil for now. 112, nutella, juliets, Hyena, speed -- I think I trust the lot of you for now. Whom should I consider voting and why?

I suspect sig but he's... so sig that I just ehhh, I don't want to do that I think. What should I do?

This is a good early core.

I think long conversation is a pretty good deepwolf candidate and should be looked at

Ddl is probably just mafia and idk why we're all giving him a pass

Nano is a decent vote but might not be the best, just the best one I can come up with

Not discussing 1/0 posters

MR is an ok candidate whom I'm not sure of either way but gave a townlean to for reasons that may or may not hold up to my own scrutiny tomorrow

I won't outright defend MR. I'm just personally townleaning him somewhat ATM but don't mind if he's lynched. He has said sketchy things and is a better lynch than most players.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:14 pm

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:22 pm I think Nano is just mafia tbh.

[VOTE: NANOOKTHECONQUERER] aubergine

Hey 112, can you talk to me about this?

I will try. He's not as tryhardy as he has been in town games I've played with him and seems to be forcing his personally somewhat over making contributions in the way he did before. But I am, as said, super out of it rn so I could just be in bad reads territory.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:11 pm Tbh I’m not even that convinced radishes flips mafia but if he does I’m looking at 112 next

I'm trying to tell people to ignore me right now but you keep wanting to engage.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:10 pm How...convenient.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:54 pm

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:51 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:40 pm You don’t trust your nanook read yet you’re still voting it

It's the read I trust most right now. I don't have any strong wolf reads.

I mean I feel like you probably should be on radishes given your posts, but maybe you’re trying to avoid voting a partner idk

Or you’re scared I’ll be able to successfully push my reads D2 and want to avoid a wasted NK, could be that too.

So many options!

I've gone to and fro with my MR read and pledge to continue these bothersome motions. But I judgr him town rn

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:40 pm You don’t trust your nanook read yet you’re still voting it

It's the read I trust most right now. I don't have any strong wolf reads.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:39 pm

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:18 pm I don't like DDL asking me to elaborate on reads I've given.

Why?

I'm not even asking you to elaborate, I'm asking you to say if you think MR is good or bad.

Cuz you said both in quick succession and then "I was joking" so I don't even know which one was the joke.

I think he's town right now, but I'm just spacing out hardcore today so idk

Don't trust my nanook read yet.

I'm out of the thread now--adjusting to new meds on top of the other new ones and am going to pass out pretty soon.

gl tp

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:31 pm

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:24 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:22 pm why is anyone voting nanook tho smh

He's stomping around and saying things but they don't seem important and I haven't been able to follow the thread very well.

This is incorrect

I’m graceful af

True. That wasn't kosher. I apologize.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:22 pm why is anyone voting nanook tho smh

He's stomping around and saying things but they don't seem important and I haven't been able to follow the thread very well.

I think Nano is just mafia tbh.

[VOTE: NANOOKTHECONQUERER] aubergine

I don't like Hyena, Nute and MR hanging their votes but wouldn't read any of them scum at the moment independently of it--maybe nute is the one I'm most uncertain about.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:18 pm Sorting people into don't want to vote and could vote today. There is not an order within groups:

Won't vote:
nutella
112
Hyena
MP7
LC
speedchuck
Jack (not on his anniversary even though I don't have a read on him)
DDL
MR
Nanook

Could vote:
Dr. Wilgy
Poison Chan - but probably not because he hasn't been here at all
sig
Tony

I have to go fix and eat dinner but before I go I'm putting a vote on sig.

This is a good list. I think I merged sig and speed as the same person in my head somehow and so don't know where I stand on either of them.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:17 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I am sorry for being pulled away from the game toward the later part of the round.

MP AtE'd his way out of being my main vote, and I think Long Con is a decent fall-back option with what I've read before.

I don't like DDL asking me to elaborate on reads I've given.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I am sorry for being pulled away from the game toward the later part of the round.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:35 pm I will say that I feel I'm seeing 112's town game here. I get the hesitation because of WC1, but that was seriously the best scum game from her I've ever seen, and I had her locktown in spec chat right up till 'bye'. So if the case against her is just 'she's bouncing around a lot' that's not enough.

Homie. Thanks for the support.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:46 pm

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:44 pm Nutella has convinced me.

[VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine

I doubt she did. :P

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Someone please help me wagon 112.

You're not seeing the game right, friend.

I feel like the scum team is largely caught at this point but I'm still not too sure who it is, which is sort of to say they're not caught, but I think in generally we're doing a good job of sorting them somehow if that makes any sense. I have no justifications for saying this.

Nutella has convinced me.

[VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:34 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:38 pm Against my typical habits, I'm actively avoiding sharing a rainbow list right now because my reads are very much in flux right now regarding the most active posters, and otherwise more people need to be pressured before this game is over.

Hey LC, what are your reads buddy?

I'm generally feeling suspicious of 112 and Nanook across the day. I haven't really pinpointed for myself why, but I would join those wagons if they were a go at crunch time.

I don't suspect Mplus7, and even if I did, I am unlikely to contribute to his Day 1 lynch after I specifically called for and performed his Night 1 kill in the last game we played, Mafia is fun online social time, and I want to hang with my old friend.

I am not suspicious of DDL for the Radishes accusation. nutella sure is, but that's ok. Not really down with voting nutella.

Juliets could be an option. I don't have a townread of her.

My vote has been on Tony for too long. He could be bad, but I'd rather vote 112 or Nanook. [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine because 112's wagon is already revving up.

I've also been paranoid regarding Nanook. Thank you for choosing him over me.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:43 pm

112 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:38 am DrWigly's entrance was fishy and I agree with Nute's quick wit about calling him on it.

Hyena is a tricky player but I think is deserving of the benefit of the doubt at least until LyLo (or later this round, your call).

Hey 112, I believe I spoke to Wilgy and said his NAI entrance is always something like "I'm (not) a doctor / X and whatever", so can you talk to me about why you think it was fishy if there is a point otherwise?

mostly i didn't like his tone lol

that's all i go by when i don't have meta on page 1

i didn't think anything of you saying his normal entrance has something to do with being a doctor or not

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:31 pm

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:16 pm ok

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

.....Didn't you say MR was lock town

It wasn't a serious post.

And let me throw the shade back at you whataboutistically and ask: how do I know you're not playing up the 'I suck as mafia' angle in order to get people to look away from you?

MR sitting on Tony the whole round looks bad on him, like he can't pick anyone else who warrants a vote on them.

ok

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:05 am

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:30 am MR is locktown by the way. Seal it.

Okay, maybe not. I like his more recent posts, but they are fakeable, especially for him.

I know his meta pretty well- one way to read him better is by ISOing, which I'll do later. His posts often look good in isolation when he's wolf but fall apart when read in bulk together.