TownJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:04 pm BUN TO HEAD GO
MARTINGG99
NUTELLA
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
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TownJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:04 pm BUN TO HEAD GO
MARTINGG99
NUTELLA
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
I basically agree with this, yeahAlison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:14 pmIt's not within nutella's scum range to fake the argument with nanook in Treehouse chat. If I am wrong on this you can keelhaul me postgame but I don't think I am. She just doesn't go that far as mafia.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:11 pmWhat do you mean whyJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:06 pmwhyNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:04 pm I should be pretty clearly not teamed with Nutella at a bare minimum
When are our interactions ever what teammates look like
(It's probably within nanook's scum range, he's willing to go a lot further than her. But it's not within nutella's, so they can't be wolf buddies.)
What do you mean whyJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:06 pmwhyNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:04 pm I should be pretty clearly not teamed with Nutella at a bare minimum
I should be pretty clearly not teamed with Nutella at a bare minimumLong Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:51 pmYeah... at the very least, three posts could be said to have wolf equity with Sloonei:
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:23 amYou know I hate this question literally every time someone replies to a post of mine asking a question with “who’s mafia” instead of just answering my questionnutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:21 amwho's mafia?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:20 am Hello I’m way behind
Have we decided to give me the gun yet, and if not have we decided to give it to sloonei yet?
So from now on I’m going to reply to it with some version of “you motherfucka” k thxNot strong I know. Other than these, I do see what JJJ means with all the yellow. Your interactions are lean, there's not much there to connect with other players.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:14 pmTown cores are hard sometimesSloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:13 pmThat is a lot of names, nooky.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:04 pm Tutu/Martin/[one of jay/sloonei possibly both depends on how their reads on each other develop]/...maybe nutes maybe SPF—think they’re not both scum, not sure if they’re both town. Thunal seems townie but I haven’t done research so idk.
Having me all yellow is super lazy dudeJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:32 pm Blind Interactions
For those who don't already know, green blocks reflect pairings that I don't think look likely to be mafia teammates. Yellow blocks refer to pairings that I think could be; I have no good reason to say otherwise. Orange refers to a pairing that I found particularly compatible.
I only ended up with one orange, so if you want to be conservative you can just call it yellow and end up with a binary yes/no chart.
As usual I don't have dedicated notes for all of this. I did poke at a tiny bit as I went through it in my previous handful of posts. I don't want to spam the game with mass analysis. If you have questions about any pairing here, ask me. I will try to answer if I have time. I might not. If I can't answer, then dig into the interaction for yourself and see how you feel.
A few notes:
~ Nanook being an ocean of yellow is unsurprising. He has the fewest posts and hasn't done a whole lot in the way of pushing any kind of game solving. So he's compatible with everyone.
~ Long Con and Martin are the only orange in a way that kind of recalls Jack/Michelle in the Finale (Martin in particular made a few mentions of LC that struck me as a bit forced or unnecessary. I realize Jack/Michelle was wrong, but whatever -- it's orange anyway. View it for yourselves and come to your own conclusions.
~ I struggle to clearly remove a POE name or suspect from the pool with this chart as I often want to. The closest I can come is Thunal, who would be compatible per my judgments only with Nanook, SPF, and nutella (which would be a good look overall for Thunal if at least two of those three are town).
~ Most importantly about Thunal, I think he doesn't fit with Sloonei. This should have important implications for Alison's view of the game, and I look forward to hearing what she thinks about that.
~ Sloonei fits precisely with the POE and naught else. So the case against Sloonei can be described as "easy game versus not easy game". Your mileage may vary given what you think of that. Alison is in a very similar position, which makes the emerging "dichotomy" between those two especially important. They don't have to be a dichotomy, but I am kind of feeling that way.
~ For some reason I couldn't find it within myself to clear nutella on numerous interactions even when she had a lot to say about people. I don't know what to make of that. I might not make anything of it. She covers a lot of ground in her solving style a la the rabbits of the world. The same can be said to a lesser degree for Hally.
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Most important takeaways for me: Thunal might be the best look if anyone is, and her relationship with Sloonei and Alison might be good starting points from which a coherent view of the game can be constructed.
Well tbf I did see your question first, but I figured you’d see the answer I posted after that. But I didn’t snark in reply so that’s progress!JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:03 amI'm disappointed. This isn't the degree of narcissism I know and appreciate.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:01 amJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:58 amno comprendoNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:57 am Still waiting to find out what I win
Spoiler: showThis is valid reasoning and it may reflect what Nanook was referring to earlier about Hally and SPF being aligned. I'm putting this in a spoiler though because I bet he doesn't notice or click it before he has visited his notification from me quoting him with my question.![]()
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:58 amno comprendoNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:57 am Still waiting to find out what I win
Spoiler: show
This is valid reasoning and it may reflect what Nanook was referring to earlier about Hally and SPF being aligned. I'm putting this in a spoiler though because I bet he doesn't notice or click it before he has visited his notification from me quoting him with my question.
That is not what I was saying and is a gross misunderstanding of how the game mechanics work
Explain to me how it would out themLong Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:15 pmOn Night 1 though? Wouldn't that out two mafia members immediately?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:06 pmCarot is town and SPF is mafia -> better to send second mafia most of the time, makes sure that town diesAlison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:01 pmI don't understand why you think this way so I can't assume that the mafia team does too.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:11 pm Caveat that I’m not sure how many scum teams think this way but
It’s almost always better for scum in that situation to send town unless SPF is mafia. So very good chance that Hally and SPF are aligned, and because carot was shot and flipped green, very good chance they’re both town.
Caveat that I’m not sure how many teams think this way, so it’s not like...not 100% locked in. But high likelihood imo.
Carot is town and SPF is town -> better to send third town, makes sure that town dies
There’s obviously some amount of uncertainty in this cause it’s not immediately clear how many mafia will think about it this way, and there’s some room for playing suboptimally on purpose even if they do/did think about it this way
First one a bit less weight with Hally being the person sent by mafia given she’s maybe the least likely in this game to even consider a hero shotNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:06 pmCarot is town and SPF is mafia -> better to send second mafia most of the time, makes sure that town diesAlison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:01 pmI don't understand why you think this way so I can't assume that the mafia team does too.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:11 pm Caveat that I’m not sure how many scum teams think this way but
It’s almost always better for scum in that situation to send town unless SPF is mafia. So very good chance that Hally and SPF are aligned, and because carot was shot and flipped green, very good chance they’re both town.
Caveat that I’m not sure how many teams think this way, so it’s not like...not 100% locked in. But high likelihood imo.
Carot is town and SPF is town -> better to send third town, makes sure that town dies
There’s obviously some amount of uncertainty in this cause it’s not immediately clear how many mafia will think about it this way, and there’s some room for playing suboptimally on purpose even if they do/did think about it this way
Carot is town and SPF is mafia -> better to send second mafia most of the time, makes sure that town diesAlison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:01 pmI don't understand why you think this way so I can't assume that the mafia team does too.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:11 pm Caveat that I’m not sure how many scum teams think this way but
It’s almost always better for scum in that situation to send town unless SPF is mafia. So very good chance that Hally and SPF are aligned, and because carot was shot and flipped green, very good chance they’re both town.
Caveat that I’m not sure how many teams think this way, so it’s not like...not 100% locked in. But high likelihood imo.
Yeh, it’s more that I usually read her off a combination of quantity and how often she hits her town markers within that quantity, but in post capped game in general that’s tough and this game specifically is a bit harder cause the amount of conflict she’s been involved in.Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:32 pmI think it's going to be really hard to know, when she finally rands wolf, due to her having no wolf records on this site. I don't know what it looks like.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:48 pm Eh I’m not sure I can read tutu this game
Town cores are hard sometimesSloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:13 pmThat is a lot of names, nooky.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:04 pm Tutu/Martin/[one of jay/sloonei possibly both depends on how their reads on each other develop]/...maybe nutes maybe SPF—think they’re not both scum, not sure if they’re both town. Thunal seems townie but I haven’t done research so idk.
You know I hate this question literally every time someone replies to a post of mine asking a question with “who’s mafia” instead of just answering my questionnutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:21 amwho's mafia?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:20 am Hello I’m way behind
Have we decided to give me the gun yet, and if not have we decided to give it to sloonei yet?
Ok you can have oneJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:31 am If @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME gives me just one nice hunt-oriented post I will give him a free town read, as long as I feel the effort was genuine.
No this is a good read I’ll sheep ittutuu wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:00 am God damn it this is gonna be the dumbest read ive made in a while but i want to townread hally cuz they out spf in top town and didnt elaborate at all until asked. So like this is based off of the assumption that hally if they were mafia, would be more aware that they should probably be consistent and explain their reads and stuff, and they would be cautious about explaining all their reads except the top town one (spf), so it looked to me like a town not caring about apperance in this small instance
I was also a champs finalist but don’t worry making finale means very little in terms of how skilled you are