The Syndicate

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:45 pm So if Epi is the 3p.,,,

Does that mean we operate under the assumption that there are multiple 3p’s, or mafia teams? Because 112 and MR were not aligned.

I’m guessing multiple 3p’s.

Let's see what color he flips

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:44 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:41 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:40 pm game of champions 2020 taught me to show no mercy to independents

so u dug ur own grave epi

but i also wanna kill wilgy. let me think. why didnt mafia poison wilgy
Well if his check doesn't differentiate between 3p and town then poisoner is probably the 3p
i poisoned bo using the power of a wish. 112's flavor gives wishes. 112 was the poison-giver that gave poison attacks to ppl, there's no actual poisoner i believe

Meh sure maybe, doesn't matter tbh

I mean we're obviously killing the 3p today lol

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:40 pm game of champions 2020 taught me to show no mercy to independents

so u dug ur own grave epi

but i also wanna kill wilgy. let me think. why didnt mafia poison wilgy

Well if his check doesn't differentiate between 3p and town then poisoner is probably the 3p

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:38 pm so made is still town. difference check with epi

wilgy claimed his peek doesnt differentiate between town and 3p

so theres ... that ....

I thought it didn't differentiate between 3p and mafia?

We kill epi then we kill wilgy

Bingo bango

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:36 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:35 pm Tutu bo falcon ruri is a fine poe

Plus made obviously
lol tutuu and bo are probably not aligned unless they’re both town

Until one flips they're both poe

WOW HEY LOOK AT THAT EPI ISNT TOWN WHO COULDVE POSSIBLY PREDICTED THAT

Tutu bo falcon ruri is a fine poe

Plus made obviously

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:32 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:29 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:25 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:19 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:21 pm the flawed perspective of killing Epi today:

If nook is correct and made is opposite Epi, and Wilgy claims Epi is town, we run into a conundrum.

If Epi is town, all we know is that Wilgy called him town. This doesn’t prove wilgy’s alignment.
Also, this doesn’t prove made is actually opposite of made, because we still don’t know if nook is just mafia spreading misinformation. Then we’re down a town without knowing if rondo and made are cleartown
What are the exact claims made about me, and could you link them please?
Anybody can answer this.

I'd appreciate it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 6:06 pm Theres almost certainly a difference check between epi and made btw

I'm not explaining why rn but you should all sheep it

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:09 pm Epi is innocent.

I'm not sure how Nanook derived "difference check" from what Wilgy posted.

I have a separate difference check between you and made

Its not a proper difference check from a parity cop, its a mechanical difference check i don't want to get into more

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:25 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:19 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:21 pm the flawed perspective of killing Epi today:

If nook is correct and made is opposite Epi, and Wilgy claims Epi is town, we run into a conundrum.

If Epi is town, all we know is that Wilgy called him town. This doesn’t prove wilgy’s alignment.
Also, this doesn’t prove made is actually opposite of made, because we still don’t know if nook is just mafia spreading misinformation. Then we’re down a town without knowing if rondo and made are cleartown
What are the exact claims made about me, and could you link them please?
Anybody can answer this.

I'd appreciate it.

I'm claiming a difference check between you and made

Wilgy claims green on you

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:03 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:02 pm I don't think I'd ever claim there's a difference check between a green checked player and a guy claiming stump if I were mafia faking it lol
With how many unverifiable claims there are running around with their pants off, I wouldn’t put anything past anyone

I mean, im pretty good at fake claiming lol

I don't think I'd ever claim there's a difference check between a green checked player and a guy claiming stump if I were mafia faking it lol

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:17 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 6:06 pm Theres almost certainly a difference check between epi and made btw

I'm not explaining why rn but you should all sheep it
What is a difference check?

One is one alignment

The other is the opposite alignment

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 6:08 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 6:06 pm Theres almost certainly a difference check between epi and made btw

I'm not explaining why rn but you should all sheep it
did u see the wilgy result? even if u convinced epi maf why not chop wilgy first?

I have not

I assume from context that wilgy checked him green

(It's mech reasons I don't want to get into)

Theres almost certainly a difference check between epi and made btw

I'm not explaining why rn but you should all sheep it

I am once again asking you to vote epi

In other words not interested atp

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:23 pm What is the possibility that it's just Sig AND TSP?

Well

If we kill 112 and they flip town

And we kill rondo and they flip town

And we kill poison and she flips

Then we'll have two mafia caught xD

Yeah exactly, its significantly better than random cause we know there's a mafia in that grouping.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:57 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:02 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:56 pm I can't see a wagon this big being correct at this stage in the game. Unless 112 was peaked? Which I haven't seen unless I missed it
Mech reasons

Poison claims she can pick three players on n3, and is told those players (collectively) are either aligned or not aligned with her. She was told they weren't aligned with her. Obviously she wasn't told which of the three wasn't.

So there's always at least one mafia between poison rondo tsp and 112
Ah okay, makes more sense then, I do recall seeing that, but didn't think we were at a group decision to just lynch and see.

I mean it makes sense to, 1/3 (removing tsp given you two mutually clearing each other) is somewhat better than rand most likely, and it's a bit better than that even cause there's guaranteed at least one mafia in that group.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:56 pm I can't see a wagon this big being correct at this stage in the game. Unless 112 was peaked? Which I haven't seen unless I missed it

Mech reasons

Poison claims she can pick three players on n3, and is told those players (collectively) are either aligned or not aligned with her. She was told they weren't aligned with her. Obviously she wasn't told which of the three wasn't.

So there's always at least one mafia between poison rondo tsp and 112

Universal block could be a town thing

Although there was a kill so

Idk

Maybe 112 is just mafia

So...maybe poison is just mafia

Idk this game is confusing

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:35 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:14 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:40 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:24 pm Seriously though someone tell me what the deal is with poisons claim
At least one of 112, rondo and tsp are a different alignment from poison.
Right but how did we get there

Did she check them all at the same time, at different times, how does her role work
She checked all 3 at once as a single n3 action.

Isn't that the night everyone's actions failed

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:40 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:24 pm Seriously though someone tell me what the deal is with poisons claim
At least one of 112, rondo and tsp are a different alignment from poison.

Right but how did we get there

Did she check them all at the same time, at different times, how does her role work

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:44 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:24 pm Seriously though someone tell me what the deal is with poisons claim
What's her claim?

Why are you asking me as if you aren't quoting me asking the same question lolol

Seriously though someone tell me what the deal is with poisons claim

Did I hear someone say party check?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:24 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:19 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:04 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:36 pm POE (in order of preference)
Poison.
Bo
Rondo
Epi
falcon
112
Wilgy

Towncore:
Scotty
Tutuu
Ruri
Made

Probably town
Ender
Sig
TSP
Urist

If poison is scum, I’m less inclined to believe Bo is scum, based on end of day 3. Unless MR is a better role. Poison was nonchalant about the MR/Bo wagon, though she favored bo dying more.
Uh... I cased MR and was the reason his wagon took off.

Just saying.

=P
I'd like to know why I wasn't even included smh

I’ll put you in…bottom of the POE. Because you’re so contrary to most of my reads I’ve got that argument of “he’s so wolfy he wouldn’t do this as wolf” which I know is a lackluster reasoning.

I should at least be probably town lulz

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:31 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:20 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:16 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 11:16 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:36 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:30 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:50 pm

I'll pass on Michelle.

That leaves me with Nanook, Master Radishes, TonyStarkPrime, Rondo, and Ender.

Nanook is all grunts. Whatever.

This second post was two minutes before the deadline.

The move from Scotty (who is a civilian, correct?) to Dya at the eleventh hour without any context or care looks like shit.

Perhaps this has been talked about and I haven't read it, but Master Radishes came in, voted Dya without knowing Dya was in the game. That's how it reads to me right now.
I arrived home right before the deadline. I was hundreds of posts behind, Syn and Dya were the wagon options, and the one I was on was dead. I noticed Dya was now in the game but didn't have time to figure out why they had a wagon; all I saw was that it was the one with the most last minute momentum and a lot of people I townread were on it. I didn't have time to parse the nuances of it, so I just sheeped Mac, KZA, and Rondo.
Epi is flat town too lmao.

I will take no dissent on this for now.
What do you make of those that want to keep the door of suspicion on me open?

I count Nanook, Scotty, tutuu, 112.

I think it's quite obvious I'm not mafia, but at least these four wish to continue to entertain the notion.
Scotty is 100% mech town.

I kinda townread Nanook. May need review.

Rondo was also kinda in that boat and I'm pretty sure he's just town.
You can't scumread me after yesterday kek
What'd you do yesterday? I forget tbh.

I had non partnered progression on radishes

Nvm ted says she's good so I'm back to TRing her

I don't think I townread poison any more tbh

Maybe idk I have to see what ted said about her

Well within, not just "he can theoretically do this"

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:17 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:49 am Did Tutuu just out herself as the SK
Tutu probably town.

I know I already had this read but I think this confirms.

Within radishes partner range

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:16 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 11:16 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:36 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:30 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:50 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:37 pm Voters: MacDougall, KZA, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Michelle, Epignosis, Master Radishes, TonyStarkPrime, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin
Michelle

For my own reference.
I'll pass on Michelle.

That leaves me with Nanook, Master Radishes, TonyStarkPrime, Rondo, and Ender.

Nanook is all grunts. Whatever.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:18 am [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:00 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:59 pm

This is wolf
It is not. I've missed 600 posts and didn't know Dya was in the game.
This second post was two minutes before the deadline.

The move from Scotty (who is a civilian, correct?) to Dya at the eleventh hour without any context or care looks like shit.

Perhaps this has been talked about and I haven't read it, but Master Radishes came in, voted Dya without knowing Dya was in the game. That's how it reads to me right now.
I arrived home right before the deadline. I was hundreds of posts behind, Syn and Dya were the wagon options, and the one I was on was dead. I noticed Dya was now in the game but didn't have time to figure out why they had a wagon; all I saw was that it was the one with the most last minute momentum and a lot of people I townread were on it. I didn't have time to parse the nuances of it, so I just sheeped Mac, KZA, and Rondo.
Epi is flat town too lmao.

I will take no dissent on this for now.
What do you make of those that want to keep the door of suspicion on me open?

I count Nanook, Scotty, tutuu, 112.

I think it's quite obvious I'm not mafia, but at least these four wish to continue to entertain the notion.
Scotty is 100% mech town.

I kinda townread Nanook. May need review.

Rondo was also kinda in that boat and I'm pretty sure he's just town.

You can't scumread me after yesterday kek

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:04 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:36 pm POE (in order of preference)
Poison.
Bo
Rondo
Epi
falcon
112
Wilgy

Towncore:
Scotty
Tutuu
Ruri
Made

Probably town
Ender
Sig
TSP
Urist

If poison is scum, I’m less inclined to believe Bo is scum, based on end of day 3. Unless MR is a better role. Poison was nonchalant about the MR/Bo wagon, though she favored bo dying more.
Uh... I cased MR and was the reason his wagon took off.

Just saying.

=P

I'd like to know why I wasn't even included smh

112 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 5:29 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 5:00 pm Unless she's exactly with scotty tutu is just town

And uh that's obviously not a world so

Tutu is town
i already knew tutuu was town a long time ago

Good for you

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 5:17 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 5:01 pm Customary sod vote on epi
Given that mafia seem to have a poison and a nightkill i doubt they have a daykiller as well

A one shot day kill

Given apparent town abilities seem to largely be investigative-adjacent or defensive so far, seems like it fits fine to me

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 5:02 pm Wilgy might be the poisoner, he was blocked n2 when there was no poison aye

Seems like its just a delayed poison yeah, Michelle was poisoned sod2 died eod 3

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 5:01 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 5:00 pm Unless she's exactly with scotty tutu is just town

And uh that's obviously not a world so

Tutu is town
Why?

Scotty says radishes visited tutu n1

There are potential worlds where mafia want to visit another mafia n1, but there aren't many and I've seen very few on syndicate, so

She's really likely just town

Customary sod vote on epi

Unless she's exactly with scotty tutu is just town

And uh that's obviously not a world so

Tutu is town

I sure WISH I had a vig shot that was guaranteed to work on a target of my choice with no downsides to me

Vpte mr btw, I forgot to call it

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:56 pm Back to the sig/TSP conundrum. Neither is voting the same.

Which…ok, if they’re trying to hide out as separate entities, then that makes sense. sig is against claiming for fear of the soup nazi, so that makes sense.

But they’re linked and they’ve all but corroborated that.

Unless they’re not really masons, because they don’t have BTSC communication.

Or tsp just voted and sig hasn’t been around to follow suit yet.

But the problem with that is- neither have ever voted together yet. Breakdown in communication?

Either they forgot their narrative, or they never had BTSC, got a random check, and are living their own lives. Which I guess is possible, but I still don’t trust that

Masons don't always vote together

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:42 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:57 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:07 am
Made wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:02 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:58 am
112 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:30 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:18 am
Tell me please how do you read Rondo and why
closer to neutral than anything but i've been shifting around. i had him as slightly town before i left the thread yesterday and went to sleep. part of me feels that if the town's best guess is rondo we're probably not winning this game. whether that should have any effect on how i read him idk.

to be honest i feel like my heart thinks he's town and that i'm being somewhat peer-pressured into thinking he's wolfier than he actually is to me.

i think what i called abrasiveness in him is usually a wolf trait but i don't think it's wolfy here. not sure i can really elaborate on that, but just that he's been very consistently posting with attitude in every post i've read makes me like him more somehow. like it doesn't feel like an act.

as far as solvey stuff from rondo, i don't really have anything in mind, but i've melded with some posts and insights iirc and he seems to be actually contributing better than others?

like i'm not saying he can't be wolf but i don't understand fully why he's your first choice
I think he is the wolfiest player.
I get your pov too, the wolfiest may not be a wolf, but how can we know?
Because i was wrong on Koba i don't want to push a read i have that much and i need to check it with people who show another approach than mine.
Until now Nanook said Rondo is towny and you said the above.
Alison said we wait before we lynch Wilgy's claim
Idk anymore. I will wait as well
this is why my vote is still on rondo tbh. he reads as the scummiest player in the game. Rondo doesn't have a scummy town meta does he? if he does that changes things a bit, but if he doesn't, in a role madness situation this one, I feel like mafia fundamentals are the way to go
Theres no such thing as a "scummy town meta," that just means you're bad at reading them tbh

But yes he does get misread a fair bit sometimes, particularly by people who have a narrower view of what acceptable town play looks like/snobs
How much time should one to play with someone to become good at reading them?
Because if you claim you are good at reading Rondo i wish to know how many games you played and what alignaments for both of you
Depends on if you've done research on them or not

Also since when do you gatekeep whether I have a good read on someone or not ???

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:24 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:38 am All due respect to koba, who generally has decent reads, I dont think this is the game to sheep them posthumously
What makes you think Koba's reads are off today? Especially because POE'd players generally have better reads because they can cop check themselves?

I generally don't put much stock in the reads of people playing tilted, especially as tilted as they seemed to be.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:57 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:07 am
Made wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:02 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:58 am
112 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:30 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:18 am
112 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:17 am i will now take questions
Tell me please how do you read Rondo and why
closer to neutral than anything but i've been shifting around. i had him as slightly town before i left the thread yesterday and went to sleep. part of me feels that if the town's best guess is rondo we're probably not winning this game. whether that should have any effect on how i read him idk.

to be honest i feel like my heart thinks he's town and that i'm being somewhat peer-pressured into thinking he's wolfier than he actually is to me.

i think what i called abrasiveness in him is usually a wolf trait but i don't think it's wolfy here. not sure i can really elaborate on that, but just that he's been very consistently posting with attitude in every post i've read makes me like him more somehow. like it doesn't feel like an act.

as far as solvey stuff from rondo, i don't really have anything in mind, but i've melded with some posts and insights iirc and he seems to be actually contributing better than others?

like i'm not saying he can't be wolf but i don't understand fully why he's your first choice
I think he is the wolfiest player.
I get your pov too, the wolfiest may not be a wolf, but how can we know?
Because i was wrong on Koba i don't want to push a read i have that much and i need to check it with people who show another approach than mine.
Until now Nanook said Rondo is towny and you said the above.
Alison said we wait before we lynch Wilgy's claim
Idk anymore. I will wait as well
this is why my vote is still on rondo tbh. he reads as the scummiest player in the game. Rondo doesn't have a scummy town meta does he? if he does that changes things a bit, but if he doesn't, in a role madness situation this one, I feel like mafia fundamentals are the way to go
Theres no such thing as a "scummy town meta," that just means you're bad at reading them tbh

But yes he does get misread a fair bit sometimes, particularly by people who have a narrower view of what acceptable town play looks like/snobs
How much time should one to play with someone to become good at reading them?
Because if you claim you are good at reading Rondo i wish to know how many games you played and what alignaments for both of you

Depends on if you've done research on them or not

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